* Very important: Repent, Completely trust in God only and, Love Him with all of your heart.

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May 21, 2007, 4:23:42 AM5/21/07

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There is a section below with the title "Atheism and Evolutionism are
WRONG."

All those who have sinned deserve to suffer in Hell forever. "Pride"
is an example of a sin.

1. Repent (be truly sorry for your sins; beg for God's forgiveness;
abandon sin; ask Him to help you stop sinning; and repent for His
sake).

2. Completely trust in God only; do not trust in yourself.

3. Love the Lord with all of your heart.

The Son of God (the Lord Jesus Christ) suffered and died on the cross
to pay for the sins of those who trust in Him. His blood can clean
away our sins. He was buried for three days, then lived again. There
is hope of eternal life and happiness for those who trust in God.

Your efforts and works cannot save you. Only God is truly righteous
and good. Humans are totally corrupt, but thankfully God controls all
things. Thank the Lord if He has saved you, and if His Spirit has
given you the ability to trust in Him.

There is no better God than Him.

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Atheism and Evolutionism are wrong:

An atheist is a person who does not believe in God.

God is the Intelligent Creator of the Universe.

If you refuse to trust in God, it's not my loss.

1. Energy/matter cannot be created from nothing nor destroyed
(completely annihilated) through natural methods.

2. The Universe cannot create itself. If it created itself, then
anything can create itself; and the Universe can have a "Mind" of its
own.

3. Fine-tuning of the Universe: At least 50 physical constants HAVE
BEEN SET CORRECTLY by God for the Universe and life to exist.

4. Laws of physics do not order themselves. They have no goals.
5. No oscillating universe; no multiverse.
6. Universe moving towards entropy (or heat death).
7. Planets do not form through natural methods.
8. Gases scatter/dissipate quickly. Therefore, Jupiter have been
created.
9. Saturn has three rings. They have been set in place.
10. A Theory: the Earth is near the center of the Universe. This idea
supports the Bible.
11. The Earth is not millions of years old. Notes: Magnetic field
decay; Archaeology; History, other "Time limiters." Ancient people
were as smart as modern men. Evolutionists have no excuse.

DNA cannot exist in natural environments longer than 10,000 years;
yet, these have been FOUND in Neanderthal bones, insects in amber,
Dinosaur fossils, etc. A dinosaur fossil was discovered still having
soft tissue and blood cells.

Other keywords: Squashed Polonium-210 halos, Orphan Polonium-218,
Helium loss from zircon, Carbon-14 in deep geological strata.

12. Misplaced fossils; Wrong sequence of geological strata/layers;
Polystrate fossils are enemies of Uniformitarianism and Evolution.
Example: Fish fossils in the "Cambrian" strata.

13. Decay rates are not constant. Note: Even the speed of light is not
constant. As for radiometric dating methods: At least one of them
showed that primate skull KNM-ER 1470 was "212-230 million years old."
Even evolutionists rejected it.

Claystone dating using K-Ar in 1986: 135.2 ± 5.5 Million years old;
Dating using Ar-Ar In 1991: 152.9 ± 1.2 Million years old. About "11
million years" of decay have occured in just 5 years.

Carbon-14 production rate exceeds decay by 30%. Thus, Earth's
atmosphere is less than 30,000 years old.

14. NATURAL life can only come from life. Abiogenesis (or spontaneous
generation) is impossible.
Keyword: Chirality.

15. The DNA double-helix, self-repair codes, self-checking system/
algorithms, structure, DNA language convention, irreducible cell
complexity, and chromosome count are enemies of evolution.

16. DNA of humans differ/vary by about 10-12% from each other. 50% of
human DNA is identical to the DNA of a banana. Humans and apes have no
common ancestor.

17. Common sense and science reveal the fact of "Intelligent Design."
There are cells which are more complex than New York City or modern
space shuttles. Also read Genesis chapter 3 in the Bible.

18. There is no real vestigial/useless organ. There is no junk DNA.
Note: Males' nipples "arouse" women.

19. Mutations are harmful, deadly, and destructive to genetic codes.
Example: Cancer.

20. Natural selection and Sexual selection seem unable to eliminate
destructive genetic codes. Natural Selection is conservative, not
innovative.

21. The fossil record and the "Cambrian Explosion" reveal Creationism
and the Global Flood, not evolution. There were NO "mice-bats" with
one wing or two wings each having 25% bone structure. There were NO
walking fishes.

22. The Lord gave humans a conscience, morals, and advanced
intelligence.
23. Strong evidence of a Global Flood in the past. This fact supports
the Bible. Geologic layers were formed quickly and catastrophically.
Notes: Hydro-plate theory, Carbon-14 disequilibrium, Rapid sedimentary
burial of fossils, etc.

24. No historical record gives clues about "evolution."
25. Scientists can use false or "biased" data. Examples: Piltdown man
deception, Lucy mistake, Archaeopteryx mistake, Peppered moth blunder
and fraud.

26. Evolution is science fiction (a myth). It is similar to the story
of the Centaurs (horse-men) and Mermaids (fish-women). I don't believe
in Centaurs and Mermaids.

27. Philosophers love wisdom. But, only God is truly wise. Atheists
are not philosophers. They are not free-thinkers.

28. Science is closely related to knowledge or information. These
things are useless if there is no God. True scientists trust in the
Creator of the Universe. Examples: Newton, Pasteur, Linnaeus, Faraday,
Pascal, Kelvin, Maxwell, Kepler, etc.

29. Atheism or evolution does not provide a solid foundation for
morality. If there is no God, there is no good nor evil.

30. Evolution is a myth. Even if it is true, there are evolutionists
who believe in God.
31. Every time atheists and evolutionists cannot answer a valid
question, they say, "It's an Unexplained Mystery." Thus, they have
blind faith.

32. Evolutionistic experiments with fruit flies failed to produce
"something else" than a fruit fly.

33. Darwinian researchers accept that "Mitochondrial Eve" (also known
as "African Eve") probably existed 6,000 years ago. All humans seem to
have descended from this "Eve" and her male partner. This idea
supports the Bible.

34. Stars can THEORETICALLY form through natural processes ONLY IF
there is enough mass, a strong enough gravitational force, and an
"igniter." The igniter is unknown or not available.

35. Problems with the Big Bang theory: Origin of matter, Black Hole
(or gravitational force) dilemma, Explosions do not produce order,
etc.

36. Evolutionism has several ridiculous ideas. Examples: Humans and
apes have a common ancestor or humans descended from apes/fishes;
fishes evolved into walking reptiles; reptiles to mammals or birds;
mice to bats; lizards to dinosaurs; dogs to dolphins to whales; etc.

37. The studies done by Creationist Scientists regarding parasitic
schistosomes reveal the possibility that there was a perfect
environment in the past where these parasites were NOT harmful to
their host(s). Rather, there was a mutualistic (friendly)
relationship.

After this perfect environment has been destroyed, the schistosomes
have begun invading the wrong hosts, thereby producing diseases. Such
findings support the Creation account of Genesis chapters 1 to 3.

38. "Evolution" is a system that involved millions of years of trials-
and-errors, naturalistic processes, suffering, misery, death, and
natural selection.

Would the Perfect Christian God use evolution to create humans and
animals? Would He allow suffering and death even before Adam and Eve
had sinned?

39. Our God is Master and Lord over science.

40. All those who have sinned deserve to suffer in Hell forever. If
God is real, atheism loses. If God is not real, atheism still loses.

Paul Herring

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May 21, 2007, 5:36:06 AM5/21/07

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On 5/21/07, Secret <comple...@yahoo.com> wrote:

There is a section below with the title "Atheism and Evolutionism are
WRONG."

I find it somewhat ironic that this was actually sent to this list.

I note(!) that the "Notes for $RELIGION" section didn't cover islam, hinduism, sikhism or buddism, scientology[1], jedi[2] or agnosticism.

That said, however, may I refer the OP to my sig...

[1] Flamebait, I know.
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_%28religion%29

Yes - I appear to have very little other stuff to be doing than replying to annoying religious diatribe. Thanks for getting this far if you did.

--
PJH
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-- Stephen Roberts

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May 21, 2007, 6:11:13 AM5/21/07

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Hi all

The 'very important, Repent' email begs a reply and I have given one
below. I feel sorry for people who trust God and love him with all their
heart because they have no clue what they are doing.
You trust in someone elses creation and you love him with all your heart
but it seems very little else. You do not recognize that there is a
potential female side to God and you ignore the 67% of the worlds other
religions. Never mind that not 2% of Christians can agree on God, the
bible and church either.

If your God is real he (sic) is going to be very, very, very unhappy
with your email to us.

Regards
h

*
Christian Reality Check
*
Do we really know what we believe in?

Religion

Most people's belief structures are formed at a very young age by the
Environmental and socio-cultural norms which surround us. Because of the
religious structure held as acceptable by both our parents and peers we
grow up accepting, albeit apathetically, and relating to the universe by
the degrees set down by others.

Why then are there so many beliefs and ideas?

One is anger. The anger stems usually from fear. People who have been
taught to fear the 'wrath of God' may become angered at being told that.
They may begin to question a God who can cut down the life of a little
child for no apparent reason; They may question the rightness of a God
who will allow the killing of millions in the name of religion and who
will not stop it; One who will wipe out a whole nation through
starvation, or who will allow the cruel and arrogant to prosper above
and beyond the loving followers of the established religion.

On one hand that are being told that God is love and on the other hand
they are being told that the same God will cast them into the depths of
hell for any transgressions. Then again we can always blame it on the
devil, but more about him later.

Another is curiosity. Curiosity that demands answers to questions that
just always seems to be there. And when answers are given they don't
always make sense. To ask 'why?' and to be told 'because it is so!' is
not what I call satisfying. Worse is when a question gets avoided and a
statement ignored or twisted.

There is also feeling. A gnawing within the very depths of the self that
says 'this is not truth and I must find it in my life.

Seekers of truth can be found everywhere. Why is the Christian religion
divided into so many groups, looking for truth? The only groups to be
wary of are those attitudes, which are hypocritical in practice, or
bigoted in their view of others. What really bewilder me are how
different people with different interpretations and point of views and
standards and childhood's and culture.... Etc., can take one God, one
book and tell me that they come in the name of God and that this is what
he means when he says this...

Have you notice that after reading out of the Bible the person will
almost always start of by saying 'what God means....', or 'what God is
trying to say here...'. Does no one except whoever is reading the Bible
know what God is trying to say to us in that specific passage? Another
thing I find fascinating is the need for people to consider God to be in
man's image. Why not woman's or a bird's or anything else for that
matter. Why is it necessary to give form to something that is supposedly
eternal and is supposed to be vast enough to create an entire universe?
To say that God is a man is to endow Godhead with the qualities of man
and to assume that man is supreme. This is preposterous, and also too
limited. If man was made in God's image, in what image is woman? Eve
disobeyed God by the want for knowledge. And 'unto the woman he said, I
will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou
shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and
he shall rule over thee.'.

Eve was castigated for desire; not the urge to take a quick snack from
the apple tree, but surely for her desire to gain 'knowledge'.

Why did the once happy pair not cover their eyes or their mouths? Their
genitals were the focus of embarrassment. Why has religion taken such a
hard-line approached to sex and sin? Maybe the feared female aspect of
God? One of humankind's most fundamental urges is called sinful. Bigotry!

Beside Mary the virgin has been paced, quite clearly by design, that
other Mary, Mary Magdalene, the so-called penitent whore. With her as a
role model, less fortunate Christian womanhood was condemned to a life
second-class citizenship, the endless and unenviable inheritance of the
'curse of eve'. The effects, on medieval wives and the 20th century
convent-educated schoolgirls alike, was severe and at times
catastrophic. (E.g. Fire executions)

Apart from the nature of things that interest you generally, it is
important that you accumulate as much knowledge of a diverse nature as
you can, as there is power in knowledge for it's own sake.

With all information that you receive it is important that you take time
to put the qualities of your own mind into action to enable you to
ascertain the difference between what is purely hearsay on the part of
the authors and people concerned. All things are to be analyzed and
should lead to a balanced viewpoint based on your own judgement with the
guidance of your soul (Judgement,Holy ghost). No knowledge is ever
wasted and it is necessary to know enough to trust your own findings.
Less than 10% of Christians know what you are about to learn.

Ignorance is never a bliss, and all material viewed can only extend your
capacities of mind.

I do not condemn anyone or any religion or belief but to get bombarded
by point of views and attitudes of other people all the time eventually
forces you to share yours, especially when they start condemning you.
When you start experiencing another person's mind you automatically gain
more knowledge of your own and then also of how other people think,
which can guide you to your way of thinking. It is for this reason that
I am sharing my mind and insights, experiences, spiritually.

Let's talk about Christianity seeing that it is the biggest spread
religion and also one of the few that claims to have a book written by
God, and that it is the only truth. This book, the Bible, condemns
everyone who do not believe in Jesus Christ to eternal damnation.

The truth? do we have proof, positive or is it all down to blind faith?

The question is very trenchant one in the case of the life and times of
Jesus because he is one of the most problematic figures in all history.
There is no contemporary record of him. His origins are wreathed in
mystery and legend. His vocation is at best open to conjecture. The
circumstance of his death is incomprehensible. Nothing in his life can
reasonably account for the subsequent rise of the Christian movement.

All of this suggests, at once that there is something amiss, that
aspects of the story have been lost, concealed, or changed. A great
limitation to disentangling reality from the legends which surround the
origins of Christianity is that nowhere among the volumes making up the
new testament does anything emerge which can be properly described as an
historical account. Although theologians now take academic note of
material once considered heretical, the Bible narratives are all that
the Christian church will accept officially as observation of Jesus'
life and times. Yet the canonical gospels, those ancient manuscripts
written in Greek on scrolls of papyrus and incorporated for whatever
reason into the Bible, may have been compiled from little more than
lists of quotations noted down by followers and later padded out into
the familiar stories, marking the brief public life of the man. The
synoptic works - the narratives to Matthew, Mark and Luke - are
so-called because they disclose undeniable similarities when read in
there original tongue.

Certain words and common phraseology suggest that all were derived from
an earlier but lost written source. Today we have other 'heretical'
material which at least corroborates parts of the official biographies,
but in reality it is almost impossible to verify if any of the sayings
and parables attributed to Jesus are accurate, or to confirm or deny his
activities, and in many respects his life remains enigmatic.

One aspect which is massively lacking is any attempt to explain cause
and effect. The biblical material merely takes Jesus into a series of
very limited contexts and implies, probably truthfully, that the man was
really quite harmless and well-meaning towards everybody but came in for
very unjust treatment from his own people.

The gospels must have been edited very circumspectly. They could not,
for example, have pointed the finger of blame at the Romans - that would
really have put the imperial cat amongst the kosher pigeons. There are
also heavy questions over authorship and dating of the new testament
writings. The earliest work is that ascribed to Mark, followed 10 years
later by Matthew and Luke. Yet Mark is thought to have been written, at
the earliest, between ad. 60 and ad. 70, in other words 30 to 40 years
after the crucifixion.

The Christian experience began as a Jewish experience. This much is
certain. Whatever we do not know about it, we can at least be sure that
it arose in response to a very particular and peculiar national problem.
Jesus was a Jew. He was brought up in Jewish traditions, suffered the
penalties of being a citizen of a country under the yoke of a foreign
domination, and by all accounts were quite orthodox in many of his views
and habits. An immediate uncertainty is the nature of Jesus'
relationship to other Jews. And yet it is an important question, since
something about the man and his destiny provoked an irrevocable and
anguished rift between Jews and Christians.

More than a billion people on this earth call themselves Christians. The
only thing that keeps them together is a book called 'the Bible'.
Against their better judgement the churches proclaim that the Bible is
'God's word'.

Hans Conzelmann, professor of new testament studies, Gottingen, admitted
that the Christian community really continues to exist because the
conclusions of critical examinations of the Bible are largely unknown to
them. The 'original texts,' of the Bible that are so frequently
consulted and so often referred to in theological hair-splitting, do not
exist at all.

What do exist are transcripts that without exception originated between
the 4th and 10th centuries' ad. And these transcripts, some 1500 of
them, are transcripts of transcripts, and not a single transcript agree
with another. More than 80 000 variations have been counted. There is
not a single page of the 'original texts' without contradictions. From
copy to copy the verses were understood differently by different
authors, and their functions were transformed to suit the needs of the
times in which they were translated.

The codex sinaiticus -written in the 4th century ad., like the codex
vaticanus- was found in the sinai convent in 1844. It contains 16000
corrections, which can be traced back to seven correctors. Many passages
were altered 3 times and then replaced by a 4th 'original text'. Most
Christians associate the concept 'original text' with the very first
version, an undisputed and indisputable document.

What would the Christian layman say if he were told openly from the
pulpit that an original text in this sense does not exist?

For the first 200 years the Christians had no 'scripture' apart from the
Old Testament. The written versions of the New Testament came into being
very slowly, that for a long time no one dreamed of considering these
New Testament writings as Holy Scriptures. Jesus was a Jew. His date of
birth is unknown. His name is not to be found in any register of births,
yet the Christian west bases it's calendar on the ostensible (and
accepted) year of Jesus' birth. The first time that his name appears is
in one of St. Paul's epistles, in about the year 50 of the new era. In
gospels according to St. Matthew and St. Luke, it says Jesus was "born
at Bethlehem". St. Mark, on the other hand, names Nazareth as the place
of birth.

Right from the birth of the Redeemer, confusion and contradiction make
the Bible adventurous reading.

According to the official biography, the new Testament, the trail of the
infant Jesus is lost after birth until he suddenly crops up again in the
temple as a twelve-year-old runaway-in heated theological conversation
with scholars. He disappears again until the age of 31. Unfortunately we
never know what is true and what is not, what actually happened and what
forgers invented (original texts).

Most people today speak of 'Christianity' as if it were a single
specific thing. Needless to say 'Christianity' is nothing of that sort.
There are numerous forms of 'Christianity'; Roman Catholicism, the
Church of England, various denominations of Protestantism (Lutheranism
and Calvinism) If there is a single factor that does permit one to speak
of 'Christianity', A single factor that does link the otherwise diverse
and divergent 'Christian' creeds, is the Bible, and more particularly
the unique status ascribed by the New Testament to Jesus, his
crucifixion and resurrection.

If there is any unity, then, in the diffuse phenomenon called
Christianity, it resides in the New Testament - and, more specifically
in the accounts of Jesus known as the four gospels. These accounts are
regarded as the most authoritative on record.

1) The Bible:

From childhood one is led to believe that the 'story' of Jesus, as it
is preserved in the four gospels, is, if not God inspired, at least
definitive of the people, who today call themselves Christians.
Relatively few are aware of the fact that the four gospels not only
contradict each other, but, at times, violently disagree.

Only two of the gospels - Matthew and Luke say anything at all about
Jesus' origins and birth.

1) According to Matthew, Jesus was an aristocrat, if not a rightful and
legitimate king - descended from David via Solomon.

According to Luke, Jesus' family though descended from the house of
David, was of somewhat less exalted stock; and it is on the basis of
Luke's account that the legend of the 'poor carpenter' came into being.

2) According to Luke, shepherds visited Jesus, on his birth.

According to Matthew, kings visited him.

3) According to Luke Jesus' family lived in Nazareth. From here they are
said to have journeyed to Bethlehem, where Jesus was born in poverty of
a manger for census which history suggests never in fact occurred.

According to Matthew, Jesus' family had been fairly well to do residents
of Bethlehem all long, and Jesus himself was born in a house.

In Matthew's version Herod's persecution of the innocents prompts the
family to flee into Egypt, and only on their return do they make their
home in Nazareth

4)According to John (19:14) the crucifixion occurred on the day before
the Passover.

according to Mark (14:12-17), Luke (22:7-14) and Matthew (26:17-20), it
occurred on the day after.

5) Nor are the gospels in accord on the personality and character of
Jesus. Each depicts a figure that is patently at odds with the figure
depicted in the others.

Luke, a meek lamb-like savior.

Matthew, powerful and majestic sovereign, who comes 'not to bring peace
but a sword'.

6) Jesus' last words Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus
cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is
to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he
cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said,
"Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he
gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It
is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

7) According to Mark and Luke, Jesus stayed in Peter's house, and
afterwards healed the leper. (Mark 1:29-45; Luke 4:38; Luke 5:12)

According to Matthew (8:1-4 and 14) Jesus healed the leper first.

8) According to Matthew (8:5), the papernaum centurion spoke man-to-man
with Jesus.

According to Luke (7:1) he sent 'some Jewish elders' and friends to
speak on his behalf.

9) According to acts (1:18), Judas Iscariot died from an accidental fall
after betraying Jesus. According to Matthew (27:5), he 'went and hanged
himself'

10) The high priest asked Jesus if he was the Son of God and he replied:

Matthew (26:64), "thau hast said."

Mark (14:62), "I am"

Luke (22:70), "ye say that I am."

11) Compare the gospels accounts about the woman's visit to the tomb of
Jesus.

Mark (16:1-8), with John (20:1-2) and Luke (24:1-6) and Matthew (28:1-9).

12) In Mark (10:9), Jesus forbids divorce unconditionally with the
words: "what God has joined together, man must not separate", but adds a
saving clause to it.

In Matthew (19:9), "if a man divorces his wife for any cause other than
unchastity, and marries another, he commits adultery.

13) "How old was Jehoiachin when he began his rule?"

2 Chronicles 36:9 -according to this verse he was "8" and ruled for
3months and 10days then "lost favour with God" and was replaced, by a
man who ruled for 11 years.

2 Kings 24:8 this is the same story only it says he was "18!"

Some will say he started at 8 and "reruled" at 18, but remember he was
replaced by a man who ruled for 11years (in 2 Chronicles 36:9) so he
would have been at least 19!

14)How long was Jesus in the (Totally against Jewish burial custom) tomb?

-Matt 28:1 - 3 Days 2 Nights

-Mark 16:2 - 3 Days 2 Nights

-Luke 24:1 - 3 Days 2 Nights

-John 20:1 - 2 Days 2 Nights!

Jesus said 3 Days & 3 Nights (Matt 12:40) He did not fulfil the prophesy!

15) God good to all, or just a few?

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all
his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and
the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have
mercy, but destroy them.

16)War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

17)Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born
Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being
(as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

18)Who was at the Empty Tomb?

MAT 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first
day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the
sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the
mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might
come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it
was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from
the sepulchre.

19)Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again
unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto
the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

20)Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle
after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his
kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl
of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be
alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the
field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what
he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature,
that was the name thereof.

21)The number of beasts in the ark

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male
and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and
his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls,
and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in
two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had
commanded Noah.

22)How many stalls and horsemen?

KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his
chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots,
and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities,
and with the king at Jerusalem.

23) Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with
all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that in- creaseth
knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

24)The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their
fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face
of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children,
neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man
shall be put to death for his own sin

26)Rabbits do not chew their cud

LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the
hoof; he is unclean unto you.

'Gerah', the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also
perhaps grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we
can agree that that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and
there is a perfectly adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have
been used. Furthermore, the phrase translated 'chew the cud' in the KJV
is more exactly 'bring up the cud'. Rabbits do not bring up anything;
they let it go all the way through, then eat it again. The description
given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that's that. Rabbits do eat their
own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it.

26)Insects do NOT have four feet

LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth
upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the
earth;

LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and
the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the
grasshopper after his kind.

LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet,
shall be an abomination unto you.

27)Snails do not melt

PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like
the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

28) Fowl from waters or ground?

GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the
open firmament of heaven.

GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that
moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and
every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

29)The shape of the earth

ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens
as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain,
and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Astromical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior
surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete,
sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North
Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms
of the world were widely distributed.

30)Earth supported?

JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth
the earth upon nothing.

JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
declare, if thou hast understanding.

31)Heaven supported too

JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

32)Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light

Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)

Day 3: Plants

Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)

Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies
(reptiles, insects, etc.)

Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)

Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are "days", "evenings", and "mornings" before the Sun
was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim", which is a
plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods". In this tale, the Gods
seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it
was good".

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)

Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)

Plants

Animals

Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

33)How orderly were things created?

#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon
or stars on the first three "days".

#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not
satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny
thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

34)How satisfied with creation was he?

#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labours, and rests on the
seventh day, evidently very satisfied.

#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly
not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple.
(funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

35)Moses' personality

Num.12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were
upon the fact of the earth."

Num.31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them,
"Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male
among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women
children ... keep alive for yourselves."

36)Righteous live?

Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

37) Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?

Matt.5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and
when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth,
and taught them, saying...."

Luke6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and
the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to
hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

38) Years of famine

II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him,
shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou
flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith
the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to
be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies
overtaketh thee;

39)Moved David to anger?

II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against
Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David
to number Israel.

40)The GENEALOGY OF JESUS?

In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary
(PBUH) is mentioned. Matthew 1:6-16 and Luke 3:23-31. Each gives the
ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of
Jesus(PBUH). The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down
to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only
common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How
can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all
Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.

41)Can God be seen?

Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9

God CAN be seen:

"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)

"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his
friend." (Ex. 33:11)

"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:

"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me
and live." (Ex. 33:20)

"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)

42)CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and
GOOD:

"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14)
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and
spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11)

"For his mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34)

"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his
works." (Ps. 145:9)

"God is love." (1 John 4:16)

43)Tempts?

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
(Gen 22:1)

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot
be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (James 1:13)

44) Ascend to heaven

"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven,
... the Son of Man." (John 3:13)

45)What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?

Before the cock crow - Matthew 26:34

Before the cock crow twice - Mark 14:30

46)How many times did the cock crow?

MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind
the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou
shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the
man. And immediately the cock crew.

MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him,
Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and
wept bitterly.

LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And
immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.

LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter
remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the
cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake?
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou
hast denied me thrice.

JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.

47)Who killed Saul

SA1 31:4 Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and
thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me
through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore
afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.

SA1 31:5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell
likewise upon his sword, and died with him.

SA1 31:6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all
his men, that same day together.

SA2 1:15 And David called one of the young men, and said, Go near, and
fall upon him. And he smote him that he died.

48) Does every man sin?

KI1 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth
not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so
that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

CH2 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth
not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their
enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and
sinneth not.

JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
truth is not in us.

JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to for- give us
our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his
word is not in us.

JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

49) Who prophesied the potter's field?

Matthew 27:9-10 (mentions Jeremy but no such verse in Jeremiah) is in
Zechariah 11:12-13

50)Who bears guilt?

GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

51) How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

SA2 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day
of her death.

SA2 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah,
whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of
Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of
Barzillai the Meholathite:

52) Marriage?

Proverbs 18:22

1 Corinthians 7 (whole book. See 1,2,27,39,40)

53)Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?

ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a
voice, but seeing no man.

ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were
afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

54)Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

MAR 1:12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

JOH 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

(various trapsing)

55)How many apostles were in office between the resurection and ascention?

1 Corinthians 15:5 (12)

Matthew 27:3-5 (minus one from 12)

Acts 1:9-26 (Mathias not elected until after resurrection)

MAT 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a
mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

56)Solomon's overseers

550 in I Kings 9:23

250 in II Chron 8:10

57)The mother of Abijah:

Maachah the daughter of Absalom 2 Chron 9:20

Michaiah the daughter of Uriel 2 Chron 13:2

58)When did Baasha die?

26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8

36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chron 16:1

59)Should we own slaves?

Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do
sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your
possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."

Genesis 9:25 "And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of
servants shall he be unto his brethren."

Exodus 21:2,7 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve:
and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man
sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the
manservants do."

Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of
the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a
people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it."

Luke 12:47,48 [Jesus speaking] "And that servant, which knew his lord's
will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall
be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things
worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes."

Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters."

vs.

Isaiah 58:6 "Undo the heavy burdens . . . let the oppressed go free, . .
. break every yoke."

Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called Masters: for one is your Master,
even Christ."

Pro-slavery bible verses were cited by many churches in the South during
the Civil War, and were used by some theologians in the Dutch Reformed
Church to justify apartheid in South Africa. There are more

God said, Let us make man in our image."

Genesis 3:22 "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one
of us, to know good and evil."

I John 5:7 "And there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

It does no good to claim that "Let us" is the magisterial "we." Such
usage implies inclusivity of all authorities under a king's leadership.
Invoking the Trinity solves nothing because such an idea is more
contradictory than the problem it attempts to solve.

60)Are we all sinners?

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one."

Psalm 14:3 "There is none that doeth good, no, not one."

vs.

Job 1:1 "There was a man . . . who name was Job; and that man was
perfect and upright."

Genesis 7:1 "And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house
into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation."

Luke 1:6 "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the
commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."

61) How old was Ahaziah?

II Kings 8:26 "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."

vs.

II Chronicles 22:2 "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to
reign."

62)When was Jesus crucified?

Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him."

vs.

John 19:14-15 "And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews,
Behold your King! But they cried out . . . crucify him."

It is an ad hoc defense to claim that there are two methods of reckoning
time here. It has never been shown that this is the case.

63)Shall we obey the law?

I Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man . . . to the
king, as supreme; Or unto governors."

Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are
Caesar's." See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1.

vs.

Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."

64)How many animals on the ark?

Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort
shalt thou bring into the ark."

Genesis 7:8-9 "Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of
fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in
two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had
commanded Noah."

Genesis 7:15 "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of
all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."

vs.

Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the
male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male
and his female."

65)Were women and men created equal?

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them."

vs.

Genesis 2:18,23 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man
should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. . . . And Adam
said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be
called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

66)Were trees created before humans?

Genesis 1:12-31 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding
seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in
itself, after his kind: . . . And the evening and the morning were the
third day. . . . And God said, Let us make man in our image . . . And
the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

vs.

Genesis 2:5-9 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth,
and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not
caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the
ground. .Ê.ÊAnd the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground . . .
And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the
man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow
every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food."

67)Did Michal have children?

II Samuel 6:23 "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto
the day of her death."

vs.

II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the
five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."

68)Did Paul's men hear a voice?

Acts 9:7 "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing
a voice, but seeing no man."

vs.

Acts 22:9 "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were
afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."

69)Is God omnipotent?

Jeremiah 32:27 "Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there
anything too hard for me?

Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this
is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

vs.

Judges 1:19 "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the
inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of
the valley, because they had chariots of iron."

70)Does God accept human sacrifice?

Deuteronomy 12:31 "Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every
abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their
gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the
fire to their gods."

vs.

Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom
thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there
for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."

Exodus 22:29 "For thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe
fruits, and of thy liquors; the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give
unto me."

Judges 11:30-39 "And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If
thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hand,
Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house
to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall
surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. So
Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon . . . and the Lord
delivered them into his hands. . . . And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto
his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels
and with dances: . . . And it came to pass at the end of two months,
that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow
which he had vowed."

II Samuel 21:8-14 "But the king [David] took the two sons of Rizpah . .
. and the five sons of Michal . . . and he delivered them into the hands
of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord: and
they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of
harvest . . . And after that God was intreated for the land."

Hebrews 10:10-12 " . . . we are sanctified through the offering of the
body of Jesus Christ . . . But this man, after he had offered one
sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God."

I Corinthians 5:7 " . . . For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for
us."

71) The Christian God is omnipresent, but has to move around to see things.

Pro 15:3 The eyes of the LORD [are] in every place, beholding the evil
and the good.

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee
from thy presence?

Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed
in hell, behold, thou [art there].

Psa 139:9 [If] I take the wings of the morning, [and] dwell in the
uttermost parts of the sea;

Psa 139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall
hold me.

Job 34:21 For his eyes [are] upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his
goings.

Job 34:22 [There is] no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers
of iniquity may hide themselves.

Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the
children of men builded.

Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is
great, and because their sin is very grievous;

Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether
according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

72)The Christian God creates circumcision as an eternal covenant, then
decides it was a bad idea.

Gen 17:10 This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you
and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ
shall profit you nothing.

Following in the critical tradition, in the years 1834-6 Tubingen
University tutor David Friedrich Strauss launched his two-volume 'the
life of Jesus critically examined', making particularly penetrating use
of the parallel passage technique. Because of the discrepancies he
found, he cogently argued that none of the gospels could have been
eyewitnesses, but instead must have been the work of writers of a much
later generation, freely constructing their material from probably
garbled traditions about Jesus in circulation in the early church.

Given these discrepancies, the gospels can only be accepted as a highly
questionable authority, and certainly not as definitive. They do not
represent the perfect word of any God; or, if they do, God's words have
been very liberally censored, edited, revised, glossed and rewritten by
human hands.

The Bible, it must be remembered is only a selection of works, and, in
many respects, a somewhat arbitrary one. In fact, it could well include
far more books and writings than it actually do. Nor is there any
mention of the missing books having been 'lost'. On the contrary they
were deliberately excluded.

In ad. 367 bishop Athanasius of Alexandria compiled a list of works to
be included in the New Testament. This list was ratified by the church
council of Hippo in 393 and again by the council of Carthage four years
later. At these councils a selection was agreed upon. Certain works were
assembled to form the new testament as we know it today, and others were
cavalierly ignored.

How can such a process of selection possibly be regarded as definitive?
How could a conclave of clerics infallibly decide that certain books
belong in the Bible while others did not? Especially when some of the
excluded books have a perfectly valid claim to historical veracity?

The Bible has also been subjected to some fairly drastic editing,
censorship and revision. In 1958, for example, professor Morton smith of
Columbia university discovered, in a monastery near Jerusalem, a letter
which contained a missing fragment of the gospel Mark. The missing
fragment had not been lost. On the contrary, it had apparently been
deliberately suppressed - at the instigation, if not the express behest,
of bishop Clement of Alexandria, one of the most venerated of the early
church fathers. Clement, it seems, has received a letter from one
Theodore, who complained of a Gnostic sect, the Carpocratians. The
Carpocratians appear to have been interpreting certain passages of the
gospel of Mark in accordance with their own principals - principals that
did not concur with the position of Clement and Theodore. In
consequence, Theodore apparently attacked them and reported his action
to Clement. In the letter found by professor smith, Clement replies to
his disciple as follows:

(P280 'The Holy blood and the Holy Grail.) It is an extraordinary
statement for a church father. In effect Clement is saying nothing less
than, "if your opponent happens to tell the truth, you must deny it and
lie in order to refute him." but that's not all. In the following
passage, Clement's letter goes on to discuss Mark's gospel and it's
'misuses', in his eyes, by the Carpocrations:

... (P280-281 'The Holy blood and the Holy Grail.) Clement freely
acknowledges that there is an authentic secret gospel of Mark. He then
instructs Theodore to deny it:

(P281 'The Holy blood and the Holy Grail') what was this 'secret gospel'
that Clement ordered his disciple to repudiate and that the
Carpocratians were 'misinterpreting'? Clement answers the question by
including a word-for-word transcription of the text in his letter:

(P281-282 'The Holy blood and the Holy Grail.) This episode appears in
no existing version of the gospel of Mark. In it's general outlines,
however it is familiar enough. It is, of course, the raising of Lazarus,
described in the four gospels, ascribed to John. In the version quoted,
however, there are some significant variations.

1) There is a 'great cry' from the tomb before Jesus rolls the rock
aside or instructs the occupant to come forth. This strongly suggests
that the occupant was not dead and thereby a single stroke, contravenes
any element of the miraculous.

2) Certainly the passages quoted attests to some special relation
between the man in the tomb and the man who 'resurrects' him. If Mark's
gospel was so readily doctored, it is reasonable to assume that the
other gospels were similarly treated. We can therefore not accept the
gospels as definitive and unimpugnable authority.

What about the 'gospel of Thomas', part of a manuscript, discovered in
1945 near the modern town of Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt?

Even the opening words are intriguing: ' these are the secret sayings
which the living Jesus spoke, and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote
down.' A collection of some 114 sayings attributed to Jesus.

The content was extremely simple, imparting no special title to Jesus,
containing no account of his crucifixion and resurrection, but embodying
a fascinating collection of sayings attributed to him.

E.g. " ... Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and it is outside of
you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known." etc.

To this day, scholars puzzle over the exact significance of the gospel
of Thomas.

Jesus' famous saying: '.... Always treat others as you would like them
to treat you; that is the meaning of the law and the prophets' (Matthew
7:12) may be found mirrored almost exactly in a saying of the great
Jewish rabbi Hillel, from less than a century before Jesus. Another
shock was the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls. (p76 'miracles of the
Gods')

Although generally thought to have been written by the Essenes, a Jewish
sect contemporary with Jesus, they prove disappointingly to throw little
new light on Jesus and early Christianity, at least in any direct way.
The scrolls contain no recognizable mention of Jesus, just as the
Christian gospels, surprisingly, fail to refer to the Essenes. But the
intriguing feature of the scrolls are that their authors, undeniably
full-blooded Jews, were using in Jesus' times precisely the type of
language and imagery previously thought 'Hellenistic' in John.

But lets look a little closer at the bible. In the bible the word
slaughter appears at least 56 times, slay appears 118 times, slew shows
up 171 times, & smote is written more than 226 times. This does not even
count; destroy, smoteth, slayeth, die, etc. you get the idea. The bible
is violent reading material. If someone made an accurate movie it would
be one of the most graphic, violent, disturbing film of all time, and
would surely be banned. Many times "The God of Love" order followers to
murder children, & other horrible crimes- without pity.

"HAPPY is he who takeith thy little ones and dasheth them against the
stones!" (Psalms137:9) This is not some biblical bad guy talking either,
these are Godly men.

"I will corrupt your seed, and spread DUNG upon your faces" -God(Mala 2:3)

"Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the Lord
against the sun(Num25:8) [Christian's Satan sounds like God's identical
twin!]

God kills infants & pregnant mothers!

"...They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in
pieces, and their women with child (pregnant) shall be ripped up!"
(Hosea 13:16)

"No Human who has been solemnly vowed is to be redeemed. He is to be
sacrificed without fail!" (Lev. 27:29) [fully translated]

...And his faithful servants comply "They kill their daughters as burnt
offerings to their god" (Judges 11:30-39)

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God orders child murder & rape!

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There
houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to
pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not
be spared!" (Isa 12:16-18)

God's angelic hit-man slaughters first born

"... at midnight the Lord smote all the first born in the land of Egypt,
from the first born of the pharaoh... unto the first born of the captive
that was in the dungeon; and all the first born cattle" (Exodus 12:29)
-prisoners kids too?! [the bible says God is the one who hardened
pharaoh's heart?!] talk about "touched by an angel"

God kills 70,000 of his own worshipers!

King David took a census of Israel. So God kills 70,000 for innocently
following their king. (1Chron 21:2,7,14) Why was "the lord" upset at the
census he caused David to take? (2 Sam 24)

-"Does the lord do evil?"

"Shall a trumpet be blown and the people not be afraid, Shall there be
EVIL in a city and the Lord hath not done it!"(Amos 3:6) You can further
back this up by Isaiah 45:7 where the lord says that he creates evil!!

One, in a long list of Godly Genocide's

"And thou shalt consume all the people, which the Lord thy God shall
deliver thee, thine eye shall have no pity upon them... But the Lord thy
God shall deliver them unto thee and shall destroy them with a mighty
destruction, until they be destroyed." (Deut. 7:16-23) God orders
Millions to stone, one man!

The Loving/Forgiving God of the Christians; kills a single man, using
millions to stone him to death. (Numbers 15:35-36)

"people lamented because the Lord had smitten many people in a great
slaughter". (1Samuel 6:19)

"...Smite through the loins of them that rise against him...that they
rise not again!" (Deut.33:11)

God orders bears to maul 42 kids!

"Q-ball" Elisha was snickered at by some kids for being bald, so the
"loving" god orders bears to tear them limb from limb, as Elisha grins!
(2kings2:23-24) This was used to scare children into doing whatever the
preacher man said, lest god be mad at them.

What about our great bible heros?

Try to imagine the scene. After battle Moses and his army surround the
remaining widows & children who huddle in fear. Then he calmly tells his
soldiers kill every male child; panic erupts, as scampering toddlers are
butchered! He then decides to kill the wailing mothers too... His
demented gaze falls on the traumatized little girls, his brutal soldiers
howl when he tells them "save the little girls -for yourselves!"(Num
31:15-18)

What did "The apple of Gods eye" King David do?

Imagine being strapped down and slowly being dismembered with saws! That
pain would be soon overshadowed when you see your family forced into a
burning brick kiln -and they die screaming your name! (2Sam 12:31) Put
yourself into the place of the victims, really imagine it:

You are a mother, hold the hand of your daughter. You shield her face
from her dismembered father and brothers, you want only to spare her
from the pain. She stares up at you, and you wipe a tear from her check
hugging her tightly, partly to hide your own fear and tears, you whisper
to her "Don't worry it will be over soon, I will be with you." The guard
opens a huge stone door, a blast of super heated air whips around you.
She screams, as you are both shoved into the oven! "Praise the Lord, the
consuming fire"

And what does the bible tell us about women?

Women know your place!

Christianity's position on women is quite clear. Woman is a lesser
being, created for man to be his servant. She is chattel, and seen as a
"necessary evil". She is blamed for the fall of humanity. Basically
Christendom hates women; this is all proven in these pages.

Herein we shall show, biblically:

--The subservient role of women, spelled out over and over.

--That "The Fall of Man" is woman's fault, and All women inherit that guilt.

--The "Godly curse" of child-birth pain.

--Righteous men offering their daughters to crazed mobs for rape.

--God advocated Rape!

--Biblical heroes, get rich "pimping" their wives.

--The Demonisation of a woman's menstrual cycle.

--And more..

Godly women, do you have the "shamefacedness" the bible commands?

"...That women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness
and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly
array...Let the women learn in silence with all subjection... suffer not
a woman to teach, nor to usurp the authority over the man but be in
SILENCE!" (1Timothy 2:9-12)

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For
the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the
church: and he is the savior of the body." Ephesians 5:22-23

"Neither was the Man created for the woman; but the woman for the Man."
--- 1 Corinthians 11:9

"Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to
their own husbands in every thing." Ephesians 5:24

Many modern Christian women will get all puffy and say "I'm a NEW
TESTAMENT woman, so all that does not apply to me." For one thing you
cannot completely divorce the OLD Testament from the NEW even though
many would like to, Besides the above scriptures are NEW TESTAMENT!

A great man of god explains the evil of woman:

"And do you not know that you are an Eve? The sentence of God on this
sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too.
You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that tree: you are
the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom
the devil was not valiant enough to attack You destroyed so easily God's
image, man. On account of your desert -that is, death - even the Son of
God had to die." -- Tertullian, great Church father

Woman's transgression & punishment

"For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the
woman being deceived was in the transgression. notwithstanding, she
shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and chastity
and holiness with sobriety." ---- 1 Timothy 2:13-15

The last line hearkening back to the original curse, from the first book
of the bible:.

"I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou
shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and
he shall rule over thee." -Genesis 3:16

The basic message here being, if a woman does not bear a child in pain
and sorrow, (being barren or using pain medication) is not 'saved' from
Eve's sin, and thus, eternally damned! Example, in Malleus Maleficarum
1484 (The official church's manual on witch-hunting. Or rather the
torture, rape, and murder of women, sanctioned by Christendom), it
states "no one does more harm to the catholic faith than midwives" Even
as late as 1914 the use of painkillers in childbirth was considered a
sin against god, and in America chloroform was regarded as a "decoy of
Satan"

"If [women] become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die
in childbirth -that is why they are there."-- Martin Luther, Protestant
hero, founder of Lutheranism

Godly men throw their daughters to mobs for rape!

Righteous men routinely offer to have mobs rape their virgin daughters!
Thats right they plead with the crazed mob to rape them!

"I have two daughters that have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring
them out unto you, and ye do to them as is good in your eyes: only to
these men do nothing."(Genesis 19:8)

And in (Judges 19:24) a similar story I guess it was good the mob did
not want the first father's daughters, because he gets to have sex with
his own daughters in (Genesis 19:33). [Oh, but according to the story
they got him drunk, and they wanted it! -Yeah right, where have I heard
this before, Oh I remember it was out of the mouths of degenerate
incestuous child-molesters!]

The crime of rape, is not a crime against the woman, but rather against
the woman's owner.

Rules on rape are quite simple in the bible; If you are betrothed it is
looked at as a crime, but it should be noted that this is not a crime
against her it is a crime against the man to whom she is engaged. What
if a young woman is not engaged, and is raped? This is also simple the
man who raped her must pay her father 50 shekels, and since he brutally
raped her -she is forced to marry him!

And he is forced to stay with her, which will undoubtedly lead to
terrible abuse.

Her situation does not matter so long as her "Godly" father is able to
get some cash for "damaged goods" and is able to "un-load" her as well.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin which is
not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and force her to lie with him, and
they be found.

Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father 50
shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled
her he may not put her away all his days."

God advocated rape!?

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! Their
houses destroyed, and their wives raped... Dash the young males to
pieces... have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not
be spared!"- (Isaiah 13:16-18)

Moses turns orphan girls over to his soldiers for rape.

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones and kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children,
that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
(Numbers 31:17-18)

Can you just see this murderous savage, Moses, grinning evilly, wringing
his hands in anticipation, and salivating, lustfully surveying the
huddle of frightened little girls.

[Some ignorant Christians will try to say that they kept them as
daughters or wives, but that is hardly consistent with a genocidal
maniac. In a horrific rampaging slaughter killing the infants, and
toddlers, then gutting the crying mothers , but taking the orphan girls
under your wing?! Perhaps patting their little heads with a hand
covering in the blood of their dying mother. Sorry, but no.]

*There are biblical 'rules' for taking a woman from a captured land, but
in those same 'rules' it allows for the man to 'put her out' (abandon)
after he is done with her, although those 'rules' were not likely done
in this case.

You know there was a time before a woman's menstrual cycle was referred
to as "The Curse". There was a time when it was sacred, as it was a sign
of life and fertility. Lets read what the bible says, shall we:

Leviticus 15:19-23 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her
flesh be blood she shall be put apart for seven days, and whosoever
toucheth her shall be unclean, until the even...everything she lieth on
is unclean...everything she siteth upon...Whoever toucheth her bed shall
bathe himself and still be unclean until the even. And whosoever
toucheth anything that she sat upon shall wash his clothes and bathe
himself in water, and be even then be unclean until the even.

"Woman is a temple built upon a sewer" -- Boethius, Christian philosopher

'Father' abraham sells his wife (Who was also his sister)

"and it came to pass that when Abram was come into Egypt the Egyptians
beheld the woman(Sarah his wife) that she was very fair. The princes
also of Pharaoh saw her and commended her before pharaoh and the woman
was taken into Pharaoh's house, and he entreated Abram well for her sake
and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and men servants and maid
servants and she asses and camels." (Genesis 11:14)

Just in case you may think this is a fluke of fate, or as most
Christians think that he had no choice, Abraham realized that it was a
good deal, and tried it AGAIN:

Genesis 20:2 "and Abraham said of Sarah his wife, she is my sister, and
Abimelech the king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah".

(However God came to Abimelech in a dream before he slept with her and
threatened him with curses.) And Abimelech took sheep, and oxen, and men
servants and women servents, and gave them unto Abraham and restored him
Sarah his wife.

Not only that but Abraham's son Isaac, obviously learning by his great
father's example, did the same with his wife Rebecca! (in Genesis 26:6-9)

Bizarre chemical torture, abortion or both?!

The following scripture was often quoted to advocate wife beating! It
tells how a jealous man, suspecting his wife of adultery, may bring her
before the priest to be tried by poison, part of which consists of the
dirt off the temple floor, which causes much pain and suffering, even if
she is not guilty.

Numbers 5:14 -"And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be
jealous of his wife, or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him and she
be not defiled.

Then shall the man bring bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall
bring her offering for her, the tenth part of ephah and barley meal, he
shall pour no oil upon it, nor pour frankincense thereon,for it is an
offering of jealousy,an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to
remembrance.......................

etc...etc... 21- and the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of
cursing and the priest shall say unto the woman, the lord make the a
curse and an oath among thy people when the lord doth make thy thigh to
rot and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall
go into thy bowels and make thy belly to swell and thy thigh to rot and
the woman shall say amen amen, and the priest shall write the curses in
a book and shall blot them with the bitter water and he shall make the
woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse and the water
that causeth the curse shall enter into her and become bitter. (Many
people view this as a "chemical induced miscarriage", and that the
nature of suspected adultery, leading to forcing some bizarre chemical
concoction on the woman, rather than simply beating the woman, shows
that is may indeed be an abortion procedure. Also since the procedure is
done on the man's suspicion, 'whether she be defiled or not', indicates
this may have been a preventative measure.)

"Finally Eve's sexual and autonomy are cursed. She must desire only her
husband and submit to his will. Eve's curse neatly disposes of goddess
worship, scared sexual practices, and female equality with men all in
one succinct sentence." --- Sacred Sexuality

"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a
man not to touch a woman." -- 1 Corinthians 7:1

Now I shall quote some great, and respected, Godly men of Christianity.
Keep in mind that if Christianity does not teach a negative view of
women, it is strange that great Christians of history seem, by
coincidence I suppose, to view them that way.

"Every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a
woman" --- St. Clement of Alexandria

"Girls begin to talk and to stand on their feet sooner than boys because
weeds always grow up more quickly than good crops" -- Martin Luther

"We are born between shit and piss" ---Augustine of Hippo

"When you look upon a woman consider that you not face a human being but
the Devil himself, the voice of a woman is the hiss of a snake"--- St.
Anthony

" Woman is a tool of Satan and a pathway to hell" --- Jerome

" to embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure" -- Odo of Cluny

Suggesting that God had made a mistake in creating woman: "nothing
[deficient] or defective should have been produced in the first
establishment of things; so woman ought not to have been produced then."
--- St. Thomas Aquinas

This hatred of women pays no heed to common denominational barriers, as
it is a central tenet of "Christianity" in general. The Council of Macon
voted as to whether women had souls. Protestant Lutherans at Wittenberg
debated whether women were really human beings at all. These views show
how the roles of women changed after a feminine 'divine' was totally
excluded by force in favour of the new patriarchal Christianity which
changed sexuality from being sacred into the 'original sin' and women
from powerful priestesses into 'submitting in silence.'

"All women have been sexually abused by the bible teachings, and
institutions set on its fundamentalist interpretations. There would be
no need for the women's movement if the church and the Bible hadn't
abused them." -- Father Leo Booth

The Bible and the church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the
way of women's emancipation." -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton

Christian excuses for the misery they bring:

In terms of dealing with women, Christians may be quick to point out
Islamic nations and their treatment of women. First of all Muslims and
Christians both worship the same God, the God of Abraham. Muslims are
only more literal in their scriptures. Also a common tactic used by the
early church, as it is today is that any hardships, would have been much
worse in other times. Christians and those in power destroyed much of
past history and painted non-Christians as inhuman monsters, so now even
today many even most people believe the Christian propaganda.

As far as their re-writing of history dealing with women Christians have
all but wiped out histories of pre-Christian cultures that gave women
power, and revered also the feminine divine.

Misogyny is Misogyny, unbalanced negative views are not a good thing, no
matter what they are compared to. And Christianity is not the final
word, on spirituality. You need not perpetuate a system you know deep
down inside grinds against everything you value.

Also see Pagan Roots in the Bible

2) The crucifixion:

The gospels were composed during and after the revolt of ad. 68 -74,
when Judaism had effectively ceased to exist as an organized social,
political and military force. According to the gospels, Jesus is
initially condemned by the Sanhedrin - the council of Jewish elders -
who then bring him to Pilate and beseech the procurator to pronounce
against him. Historically this makes no sense at all.

In the three synoptic gospels Jesus is arrested and condemned by the
Sanhedrin on the night of the Passover. But by Judaic law the Sanhedrin
was forbidden to meet over the Passover.

In the gospels Jesus' arrest and trail occur at night, before the
Sanhedrin. Judaic law forbids the Sanhedrin to meet at night, in private
houses, or anywhere outside the precincts of the temple.

In the gospels the Sanhedrin is apparently unauthorized to pass a death
sentence. And this would ostensibly be the reason for bringing Jesus to
Pilate. However, the Sanhedrin was authorized to pass death sentence -
by stoning, if not by crucifixion. If the Sanhedrin had wished to
dispose of Jesus, therefore, it could have sentenced him to death by
stoning on its own authority. There would have been no need to bother
Pilate at all.

There are numerous other attempts by the authors of the gospels to
transfer guilt and responsibility from Rome. One such is Pilate's
apparent offer of a dispensation - his readiness to free a prisoner of
the crowd's choosing.

According to the gospels of Mark and Matthew, this was a 'custom of the
Passover festival'. In fact was no such thing. Modern authorities agree
that no such policy ever existed on the part of the Romans, and that the
offer to liberate ether Jesus or Barabbas is sheer fiction. Pilate's
reluctance to condemn Jesus, and his grudging submission to the bullying
pressure of the mob, would seem to be equally fictitious.

In reality it would have been unthinkable for a Roman procurator -and
especially a procurator as ruthless as Pilate - to bow to the pressure
of a mob. Again, the purpose of such fictionalisation is clear enough.
To exonerate the Romans, to transfer blame to the Jews and thereby to
make Jesus acceptable to a Roman audience.

Given the portrait of him in the gospels, it is inexplicable that Jesus
was crucified at all. According to the gospels, his enemies were the
established Jewish interests in Jerusalem. But such enemies, if they in
fact existed, could have stoned him to death of their own accord and on
their own authority, without involving Rome in the matter.

According to the gospels, Jesus had no particular quarrel with Rome and
did not violate Roman law. And yet Romans punished him, in accordance
with Roman law and Roman procedures.

And he was punished by crucifixion - a penalty exclusively reserved for
those guilty of crimes against the empire. If Jesus was indeed
crucified, he cannot have been as political as the gospels depict him.
On the contrary, he must, of necessity, have done something to provoke
Roman - as opposed to Jewish - wrath.

There is also, quite simply, no reason why his crucifixion, as the
gospels depict it, should have been fatal. Despite the agony, a man
suspended from a cross, with his feet fixed, - and especially a fit and
healthy man - would usually survive for at least a day or two. Indeed,
the victim would often take as much as a week to die. The attenuated
agony could be terminated more quickly by breaking the victim's legs or
knees - which, in the gospels, Jesus' executioners are about to do
before they are forestalled. Jesus should therefore, in theory at least,
have survived for a good two or three days. And yet he was on the cross
for no more than three hours before pronounced dead. In the gospel of
Mark, even Pilate is astonished by the rapidity with which death occurs
(Mark 15:44) what can have constituted the cause of death? Not the spear
in his side for the fourth gospel maintains that Jesus was already dead
when this wound was inflicted on him. (John 19:33)

When Jesus declares that he is thirsty he is proffered a sponge
allegedly soaked in vinegar - an incident that also occurs in the other
gospels. This sponge is generally interpreted as another act of sadistic
derision. But was it really? Vinegar - or soured wine - is a temporary
stimulant, with effect not unlike smelling salts. It was often used at
time to resuscitate flagging slaves on galleys. For a wounded and
exhausted man, a sniff or taste of vinegar would induce a restorative
effect, a momentary surge of energy.

And yet in Jesus' case the effect is just the contrary. No sooner does
he inhale or taste the sponge than he pronounces his final words and
'gives up the ghost'. Such a reaction to vinegar is physiologically
inexplicable. On the other hand such a reaction would be perfectly
compatible with a sponge soaked not in vinegar, but in some type of
soporific drug - a compound of opium and/or belladonna, for instance,
commonly employed in the Middle East at the same time. A drug designed
to produce a resemblance of death when the victim, in fact was still alive.

According to the gospels Jesus is crucified at a place called Golgotha,
"the place of the skull". Later tradition attempts to identify Golgotha
as a barren, more or less skull-shaped hill to the northwest of
Jerusalem. The fourth gospel says, 'now in the place where he was
crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein
was never man yet laid.'

(John 19:41) Jesus, then, was crucified not on a barren skull-shaped
hill, nor, that matter, in any 'public place of execution'. He was
crucified in or immediately adjacent to a garden containing a private tomb.

According to Matthew (27:60) this tomb and garden were the personal
property of Joseph of Arimathea - who, according to all four gospels,
was both a man of wealth and a secret disciple of Jesus.

Popular tradition depicts the crucifixion as a large-scale public
affair, accessible to the multitude and attended by a cast of thousands.
And yet the gospels themselves suggest very different circumstances.
According to Matthew, Mark and Luke, the crucifixion is witnessed by
most people, including the woman, from 'afar off' (Luke 23:49)

Jesus' death was probably not a public event, but a private one. Given
the prohibition against burying crucified men, it is also extraordinary
that Joseph receives any body at all. On what grounds does he receive
it? What claim does he have to Jesus' body? If he was a secret disciple,
he could hardly plead any claim without disclosing his secret
discipleship - Unless Pilate was already aware of it, or unless there
was some other factor involved which militated Joseph's favour.

3) The ascent into heaven:

According to Matthew (28:16-17), Jesus had summoned the disciples to a
mountain near Galilee for the appearance. When they saw him, they
worshipped him, "but some doubted."

Mark (16:19), "so then after the lord had spoken unto them, he was
received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand side of God."

Luke (24:50-51) makes Jesus himself lead the disciples "out as far as to
Bethany." while he was blessing them, "he parted from them, and carried
up into heaven."

John (21) has nothing to say about the ascension into heaven.

The most important events in Jesus' life are undoubtedly the
resurrection and the ascent into heaven. The evangelists recorded so
many unimportant details that one cannot understand why they did not
describe the two central events on which the Christian dogma is based in
colourful, gripping images and genuinely inspired language.

If Jesus had ascended into heaven in full view of everybody, or at least
in the circle of his disciples, the news would have spread through the
streets of Jerusalem like a forest fire on the very same day, for the
people had taken a lively interest in the trail and crucifixion. But not
a single Roman or Jewish historian noted down a single word about these
earthshaking events!

4) The church:

Jesus' message, as it appears in the gospels, is neither wholly new nor
wholly unique. It is probable that himself was a Pharisee, and his
teachings contain a number of elements of pharisaic doctrine. As the
Dead Sea scrolls attest, they also contain a number of important aspects
of Essene thought.

Jesus himself was undoubtedly an immensely charismatic individual. He
may well have had an aptitude for healing and/or hypnosis.

It is clear that by the time of his triumphal entry into Jerusalem Jesus
had recruited a following. But this following would have been composed
of two quite distinct elements - whose interests were not precisely the
same.

On the one hand there would have been a small nucleus of 'initiates' -
immediate family, other members of the nobility, wealthy and influential
supporters whose primary objective was to see their candidate installed
on the throne.

On the other hand there would have been a much larger entourage of
'common people' -the 'rank and file' of the movement, whose primary
objective was to see the message and the promise it contained, fulfilled.

Christianity, as it evolves through its early centuries and eventually
comes down to us today, is a product of the 'adherents of the message'.
By the time the gospels were composed, the basic tenets of the new
religion were virtually complete. The new religion was orientated
primarily towards a Roman or Romanised audience. Thus the role of Rome
in Jesus' death was, of necessity, whitewashed, and guilt transferred to
the Jews.

In order for Jesus - whom nobody had previously deemed divine - to
compete with Caesar, he had to be deified as well. In Paul's hands he was.

Before it could be successfully disseminated - from Palestine to Syria,
Asia Minor, Greece, Egypt, Rome and the Western Europe - the new
religion had to be made acceptable to the people of those regions. And
it had to be capable of holding it own against established creeds. The
new God, in short, had to be comparable in power, in majesty, in
repertoire of miracles, to those he was intended to displace. If Jesus
was to gain a foothold in the Romanised world of his time, he had
perforce to become a fully-fledged God. Not a Messiah in the old sense
of that term, not a priest-king but God incarnate - Who, like his
Syrian, Phoenician, Egyptian and classical counterparts, passed through
the underworld and the harrowing of hell and emerged, rejuvenated, with
the spring.

It was at this point that the idea of the resurrection first assumed
such crucial importance, and for a fairly obvious reason - to place
Jesus on a par with Tammuz, Adonis, Attis, Osiris and all the other
dying and reviving Gods.

For precisely the same reason the doctrine of the virgin birth was
promulgated. And the Easter festival - the festival of death and
resurrection was made to coincide with the spring rites of other
contemporary cults and mystery schools.

To further the claim of universality, all political and dynastic
elements were rigorously excised from Jesus' biography. And thus all
references to zealots, for example, and Essenes, were also discreetly
removed. In the end nothing was left but what was contained in the gospels.

By pandering to a Roman audience, deifying Jesus and casting the Jews as
scapegoats, the spread of what subsequently became Christian orthodoxy
began to consolidate itself definitively in the second century,
principally through Irenaues, bishop of Lyons around ad 180. Deploring
diversity, he maintained there could be only one valid church, outside
which there could be no salvation. Whoever challenged this assertion,
Irenaues declared to be heretic - to be expelled and, if possible,
destroyed. Among the numerous diverse forms of early Christianity, it
was Gnosticism that incurred Irenaues's most vituperative wrath.
Gnosticism rested on personal experience, personal union with the divine.

We have only to look at the reign of Constantine to realize that the
hands of the early church are full of blood. It all began with the
councils, the assemblies of ecclesiastical senior pastors for dealing
with important ecclesiastical affairs. A prerequisite for the
appointment of an official of the church is that he has 'charisma'. I.e.
That he share the 'divine gift of grace.' the assemblies of the five
ecumenical (which means the whole Catholic Church) councils of the early
Christian world set the standards for the doctrine and organization of
the new religion. In ad. 321 Constantine ordered the law courts closed
on 'the venerable day of the sun', and decreed this day be a day of rest.

Christianity had hitherto held the Jewish Sabbath - Saturday - as
sacred. Now, in accordance with Constantine's edict, it transferred its
sacred day to Sunday. This not only brought it into harmony with the
existing regime, but also permitted it to further dissociate itself from
its Judaic origins.

Until the fourth century, moreover, Jesus' birthday had been celebrated
on January 6th. Christianity brought itself into alignment with the
regime and the established state religion by moving it to the 25th
December (the festival of Natalis Invictus, the birth, or rebirth, of
the sun, when the days began to grow longer.).

Faith for Constantine was a political matter; and any faith that was
conductive to unity was treated with forbearance. While Constantine was
not, therefore, the 'good Christian' that later tradition depicts, he
consolidated, in the name of unity and uniformity, the status of
Christian orthodoxy. In ad. 325, for example, he convened the council of
Nicea. At this council the dating of Easter was established.

Rules were framed which defined the authority of bishops, thereby paving
the way for a concentration of power in ecclesiastical hands. Most
important of all, the council of Nicea decided by vote, that Jesus was a
God, not a mortal prophet.

In short, Christian orthodoxy lent itself to a politically desirable
fusion with the official state religion; and in so far as it did so
Constantine conferred his support upon Christian orthodoxy. Thus, a year
after the council of Nicea, he sanctioned the confiscation and
destruction of all works that challenged orthodox teaching. He arranged
for a fixed income to be allocated to the church. Then, in ad. 331, he
commissioned and financed new copies of the Bible. This constituted one
of the single most decisive factors in the entire history of
Christianity, and provided Christian orthodoxy - the 'adherents of the
message' - with an unparalleled opportunity.

The second ecumenical council at Constantinople: Emperor Theodosius I
(347-395) did not lag behind his colleague Constantine in moral
qualities. He was an oppressor of the poor, history tells us. He swamped
the common people with intolerable burdens, which his tax collectors
exacted with brutal tortures. In 390 (almost ten years after the holy
council) he had 7000 rebellious citizens murdered in a frightful
bloodbath in the centre of the town of Thessalonika - at the same time
the 'halleluya' came into use in Christian churches. ...etc.

The third, fourth and fifth ecumenical councils were equally headed by
trouble some figures.

5) Jesus

Jesus! praise his incorrect name!

It would be difficult to be called Jesus when there is no "J" in your
language! There was no "J" in English for over 1,500 years after Jesus'
birth. Jesus, comes from Greek Iesous & means annointed, but that was
not his name either. His name was Yeshua, a shortened form of Yehoshua.

Jesus of where? - no such place as "Nazareth"

"Jesus of Nazareth"? The city of Nazareth did not exist until a
Christian king, embarrassed of that fact, named a town Nazareth in the
5th century [Actually, the intended phrase referred to a type of holy
man] Greek translators mistook Nazarine for an person from a city called
Nazareth. A logical assumption but wrong!

"The messiah" & christ

Messiah from Hebrew Masiah & Aramaic Meshina, is literally expected king
and deliverer of the Jews, not the son of Yahweh/God! Christ is from the
Greek Christos. literally meaning, annointed. Every single Jewish king
was a "Christ" it simply meant annointed. A new king was annointed with
oil at his coronation. It does not mean "son of God". The Messiah was
NOT supposed to be God, only a really great hero-priest-King. They
wanted a hero/rebel to lead the rebellion against Rome.(deleted from
Bible by Roman writers, although traces remain) It should be noted that
"THE Messiah" is different from "Messiah" which is the Hebrew word that
we get the Greek "Christos" from. They mean the same thing. "David" was
a messiah too.

Jesus -the violent!

"I have come not to bring peace, but a sword!!!" (Matthew 10:34) He that
hath no sword let him sell his garment, and buy one.(Luke 22:36)

Jesus was "voted" a god in 325ce.

Like in most of Christianity; a bunch of old Roman politicians took
votes to determine the course of the new religion. Yeshua was voted a
God, rather than a prophet at the council of Nicea in 325C.E. He was
de-deified and re-deified twice and was a god permanently in 380, this
was about politics. Yeshua never thought he was God.

Jesus said "hate your mom & dad"

"If any man come unto me and HATE not his father and mother and wife and
children and brothers and sisters...he can not be my disciple."(Luke14:26)

As a matter of interest sake, compare the translation from an old and
new edition bible.

Jesus denies he is god

Apparently the council of Nicea missed this one. "Why callest thou me
good? There is none good but one and that is God." And again, "Why
callest thou me good? None is good, save one, and that is God." (Mark
10:18, Luke 18:19)

Jesus' little group was "the poor"

Jesus founded his own sub-sect of Essene Judaism whom he called the
Ebionites ("The Poor") -Sell whatever thou hast, and give to "The Poor".
(Mark 10:21)

Jesus, unpleasant to look upon?

Remember those beautiful pictures of Jesus in the story books?

According to the most respected historians, Jesus was very ugly. He was
4'6 stooped, and had brows that meet! He also looked not quite 50. This
is according to people like Joesephas (sic) and other respected historians.

Jesus talks about being Lord and things like that in the Bible.

Well lets take a look shall we. Jesus called himself "son of man" 28
times, Bar-nasha means in the three Semitic languages "a human being"
...it gets better.

BAR-DALAHA - "Son of God" In the Aramaic-Semitic language "bar-dalaha",
"God's son", "God's child" is used many ways and may refer to an orphan,
peacemaker, etc. You see it must be understood that the term "bar" does
not mean "son" in a literal way it refers to a likeness, and a special
relationship. Never in Hebrew scripture or in the New Testament does it
refer to a physical relationship. Easterners will use the term "son" as
like saying "beloved" [the very idea of a actual sonship from God was
seen as blasphemy to Jews, but not to Romans, hmmm]

EHEDAYA- "the only begotten son"

Jesus never claimed to be God's only son, that claim was made by others,
and found only in the Gospel of John. John has it as a translation of
the Greek "monogenes" which is two words, singular and kind, when put
together mean "one of a kind" I don't want to get into the breaking down
of the Greek, suffice to say, it is an improper translation. A better
rendering would be "unique son". It does not even come close to meaning
what Christians think it means.

So who really was this Jesus (Yeshua) person??

He was a rebel against Rome, a General of sorts that attempted and
failed to fulfill a continually reoccurring Jewish theme: "The guy that
is sent by God to kick butt, and rule as a king" He was a racists,
referring to Gentiles as dogs, and he was violent. If we don't view his
violent speeches in a "join the revolution" sense they are perplexing,
but when seen in that light they make more sense. Most of his more
violent stuff was deleted by Rome. They even went so far as to add the
fictional, traitorous Judas (who was his right hand man, and leader of
his "holy assassins"), Stupidly, they have two different deaths for
Judas. Anyway they made Pontius Pilat a "nice" guy, when in fact, he was
a butcher who would never stand up for a rebel Jew.

Rome blamed the Jews for Yeshua's execution, which is strange since
under Roman law at that time, if the "Jews" wanted one of their own
executed they would stone him to death. Rome only got involved when it
was a matter of "Empire Security", as in this case it was. Roman censors
missed the story about the man with the demons. It was an allegorical
story about the revolution. You see Jesus asked the demon its name and
it says, "My name is legion for we are many" and Jesus cast the demons
into the swine, 2000 swine and runs em off a cliff. Well the 10th Roman
"legion" that was in that area had 2000 troops, and guess what their
banner symbol was -the Swine.

6) The Devil or Satan. Beelzebub, Lucifer, old nick etc

Satan is an ancient Hebraic word meaning the opponent or the adversary.
And this is as good a place as any to begin with a profile of the Devil,
since it marks his grandious entrance in the great, theological saga. So
it was in 7th century B.C. Persia with Zoroastrianism. The prophet named
Zoroaster (or Zarathustra) preached of a god of light named Ahura Mazda,
who was locked in eternal battle with a shadow god called Ahriman. Both
gods were equally defined, and generally demanded equal respect. Here,
in the character of Ahriman, was a divine being whose explicit reason
for being was to balance the scale of circumstance- to make the "creater
god" more rightious in his glory, and relieve him of the unsavory task
of torturing humanity. Zoroastrianism would not last long (a few, remote
sects still exist in India and Iran) but the idea of dualism- divine
good versus divine evil, two sides of the same, spinning coin - would
later surface in Western religions, and find it's own niches in the
Christian church..

Prior to Zoroaster most cultures either worshipped a pantheon of
"natural" gods- each god embodying a different aspect of the natural
world-or, like in Judeism, worshipped a faceless, all-powerfull,
often-tyrranical creator who had his hand in every aspect of nature-
good and bad, ergo monism. The land of Canaan, which had been promised
to the children of Abraham by God, was always being seiged by one
civilization or another, and the Jews were frequently enslaved and
massacred by these pagan invaders, eventually being driven out of
Jerusalem altogether. And where was the loving, all-powerfull god who
would subject his chosen people to these indignities? All part of God's
strange and wonderous ways? There had to be a catch...

In the Book of Job, where the God's adversary first makes an appearance,
the scriptures begin to shift the blame for man's dire misfortunes. In
the story, a pious groveler named Job becomes the dice in a sort of
craps game between God and an angel referred to as Satan. Satan, it
seems, doubts Job's genuine devotion to God. God takes Satan up on the
bet, visiting catastrophic misfortune upon His hapless follower Job,
killing his children, his sheep, and putting a pox on him. Job endures
this curious test of faith with a minimum of whining. God rewards him
for his devotion, and apparently wins the wager. Satan goes off to sulk,
but his illustrious career has only begun.

Satan pops up in the Old Testament a couple more times, always tipping
the against mankind, but only the ultimate upstart religion Christianity
would embrace the mythology of the Adversary, and give him an essential
role in the spread of Christianity to every corner of the world.
Christ's disciple Paul and later Roman-Christians actively endeavoured
to convert all people to their burgeoning religion. To give the Old
Testament God more mass-appeal to diverse cultures, the New Testament
authors promised life after death in Heaven for the faithful, and an
eternity in Hell for those that strayed from the flock. The devil could
fulfil the need for a common foe- the bastard of God's kingdom, plotting
for it's fall. It's the all part of the never-ending war over the fate
of mankind that rages in heavan- and in which mankind must do it's own
part. Or is it all just a game of "good-cop, bad-cop" that's gotten out
of hand?

Ominous and impressive landmarks are frequently given names like The
Devil's Tower, and the Devil's Rapids and many amusement rides are
assosiated with the Devil to emphasize the thrill that will be
experienced on them- like the Devil's Corkscrew. The popularity of the
drug marijauna has only soared since being branded the "Demon Weed". Why
eat angel-food cake when devil's food cake is so much more dangerous?
Women seem to prefer the easy-going, devil-may-care type, and the
sly-devils don't do so bad themselves. People used to think the whole
world was going to The Devil, but he's pretty much had it in the bag
since the 6-6-60's after Anton Lavey declared 1966 Anno Satanis, kicking
off The Church of Satan.

The Fallen Angel

Like Satan, we have all fallen. Everyone has heard of the fall of Adam
and Eve, but that story is widely held to be metaphor. We have all
fallen as individuals. Most of us have fallen many, many times in our
lives. We've been fired from a job, or failed an exam, or gotten in
trouble with the law, or been dumped by a lover, and so on. And in the
end we die...

So isn't it somehow reassuring to know that even an angel- one of the
"Sons of God" described in Genesis- can face as great of a peril? A
glorious, haloed demigod stuck down to a level below our own? I would be
satisfied just to see one get a pie in the face, or a painful hot-foot...

But alas, stories of fallen angels are dubious even by lenient
interpretations. The alleged phenomenon first appeared in Revelation 12,
where the Grand Puba of fallen angels- Satan himself- is described as "a
great, red dragon" who "sweeps a third of the stars from the sky" with
his great tail. Implicitly, the stars felled by Satan's violent attack
represent his gang of rebel-angels who join his descent into Hell. Most
of the accepted lore about Satan comes from this chapter of Revelations,
including his coloration, his penchant for shape-shifting, and his well
known enumeration- 666. But as to what effected this cosmic family-feud,
no mention is given, nor is explained Satan's strange metamorphosis from
God's right-hand man, and most beautiful of all angels, to a snarling,
loathsome, polymorphic beast of the Abyss. Apparently that is none of
mankind's business.

In the book of Isaiah it is written that Lucifer fell to Earth after
striving to "set his throne above the stars of God". But most scholars
feel that "Lucifer", in this case, referred to a tyrannical ruler of the
times who, in his vanity, was compared to a shining-star- thus the Latin
lucifer.

One has to turn to the apocryphal Book of Enoch (apocryphal meaning " of
questionable origin"), for a definitive scenario involving actual angels
falling from Heaven. In Enoch the "Sons of God" of Genesis fame are
demoted to mere angels, and descend to Earth to pick on their
kid-siblings, humankind. The disgruntled leader of these disgraced
angels- named Samiaza- leads an army of his fellow outcasts further
astray by fixing them all up with earth-babes, and otherwise encouraging
them to interfere in man's affairs in violation of the will of God.
God's response is to send his Archangels down to put the smack down on
the renegade "watcher" angels- and their giant, half-human offspring,
the nephilim- and chuck them all into the recesses of the Earth to
endure hellish torment until the final judgment (when things will get
really medieval).

So are the evil, Watcher Angels still lurking in their shadowy hideouts
in the lakes and crevasses of our own planet? Are they still meddling in
man's affairs- waging wars, corrupting society, and setting the stage
for humanities own, final downfall? A sensational idea for a movie, but
the Book of Enoch, along with all of the other apocryphal sources from
which the Watcher Angels are drawn, were believed to have been written
during the exile of the Israelites when apocalyptic folklore was all the
rage. Enoch may even have been a forgery written as late as the Middle
Ages. The possible influence of Greek mythology- particularly the
stories of Icarus and the fall of the Titans- also can't be denied. And
at any rate, the Book of Enoch is excluded scripture, leaving the tale
of the fallen angel as little more than a hoary, campfire-story in
modern, Christian theology- one that has grown more outlandish with each
retelling.

The Imp

It's the little demons that plague the common man (and woman) the most-
toothaches, nightmares, addictions, b.o., and the like- things
attributed to sprites and spirits, once upon a time. Most everyone gets
their daily allowance of evil one pill at a time. You can't blame every
stubbed-toe on the great Satan, who would have to be like Santa Claus in
order to tempt and poison folks around the globe each day. In order to
be everywhere at once, he would have to be, well, god-like. And so Imps
are needed to serve as sort of the equivalent of Satan's "elves"-
wandering the globe, dutifully delivering unto the cursed offspring of
Adam and Eve everyday maladies and malfeasance. Martin Luther himself
blamed some of these diminutive devils for his chronic constipation.

Another kind of Imp is the household "familiar". Witches and
necromancers were typically bestowed with animal familiars to help the
practitioner with their magical workings, and ensure that they didn't
Welsh on their bargain with the Devil. The famous magicians Faust and
Agrippa were both reputed to have hell-hounds as familiars, while
witches traditionally had the all-too-familiar familiars- black cats.

But the Imp is also a good allegory to the shrinking role of the Devil
in the Judeo-Christian religion. From Nemesis to nuisance, Satan has
been downgraded drastically over the last two-thousand years. Since the
idea of a centralized symbol of evil is so troublesome to the concept of
monism- the universe under one, all-powerful god- the Devil would be
gradually kicked downstairs from mighty Imperator to indignant Imp. Thus
was the trend in Medieval "morality plays" that evolved out of the
Church organized "mystery plays" whose monist message had begun to
unravel with the growing romanticization of the characters of Satan and
the Fallen Angels. Morality plays took more of a turn toward satire and
personified abstractions, casting Satan as a comic-foil always destined
for humiliating defeat in the end, to the delight of audiences. The
Church had lost control of their own prize Imp- Satan- to popular
inclination. The trend has continued to today, and no one seems to take
the Devil seriously, anymore...

7) The Christian History

The stories of the Bible evolved slowly over centuries before the
existence of orthodox religions. Many belief cults spread stories and
myths probably handed down by oral tradition from generation to
generation before people wrote them down. Many of the stories originally
came from Egyptian and Sumerian cults. Most of these cults practiced
polytheism, including the early Hebrews. Some of the oldest records of
the stories of the Old Testament came from excavations in Mesopotamia
which includes small cylinder seals depicting creation stories. These
early artifacts and artworks (dated at about 2500 B.C.E.) established
the basis for the Garden of Eden stories.

Virtually all human societies, before the advent of the northern
invaders, practiced female goddess worship. Archaaolisists have
confirmed that the earliest law, government, medicine, agriculture,
architecture, metallurgy, wheeled vehicles, ceramics, textiles and
written language had initially developed in societies that worshiped the
Goddess. Later the goddesses became more war-like with the influence of
the invaders who slowly replaced the goddesses with their mountain male
war gods. So why doesn't the Bible mention anything about the Goddess?
In fact it does, but in disguise from converting the name of the
goddesses to masculine terms. Many times "Gods" in the Bible refers to
goddesses. Ashtoreth, or Asherah, named of masculine gender, for
example, actually refers to Astarte- the Great Goddess. The Old
Testament doesn't even have a word for Goddess. The goddesses,
sometimes, refers to the Hebrew word "Elohim" (masculine plural form)
which later religionists mistranslated into the singular "God." The
Bible authors converted the ancient goddess symbols into icons of evil.
As such, the snake, serpents, tree of knowledge, horns (of the bull),
became associated with Satan. The end result gave women the status of
inferiority, a result which we still see to this day.

The Old Testament consists of a body of literature spread over a period
from approximately 1200 B.C.E. to 200 B.C.E. There exists no original
writings of the Old Testament. There does exist, however, hundreds of
fragments from copies that became the old testament. These fragments
consist of Cuneiform tablets, papyrus paper, leather etchings and the
famous Dead Sea Scrolls. The scribes of the old testament wrote in
classical Hebrew except for some portions written in Aramaic. The
traditional Hebrew scribes wrote the texts with consonants but the
Rabbis later added vowels for verbal pronouncing. Of course the Rabbis
did their best in choosing the vowels that they thought gave the words
their proper meaning and pronouncement. In the second century C.E., or
even earlier, the Rabbis compiled a text from manuscripts as had
survived the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E. and on this basis they
established the traditional or massoretic text, so called from the
Hebrew word massorah. This text incorporated the mistakes of generations
of copyists, and in spite of the care bestowed on it, many errors of
later copyists also found their way into it. The earliest surviving
manuscripts of this text date from the ninth to eleventh centuries C.E.
It comes mostly from these texts which religionists have used for the
present Old Testament translations.

The New Testament has even fewer surviving texts. Scholars think that
not until years after Jesus' alleged death that its authors wrote the
Gospels. There exists no evidence that the New Testament came from
original apostles or anyone else that had seen an alleged Jesus.
Although the oldest surviving Christian texts came from Paul, he had
never seen the earthly Jesus. There occurs nothing in Paul's letters
that either hints at the existence of the Gospels or even of a need for
such memoirs of Jesus Christ. The oldest fragment of the New Testament
yet known consists of a tiny snippet from a Gospel of John. Scholars
dated the little flake of papyrus from the period style of its
handwriting to about 130 C.E. The language of most of the new testament
consists of old Greek.

There has existed over a hundred different versions of the Bible,
written in most of the languages of the time; Greek, Latin, German, etc.
Some versions left out certain biblical stories and others contained
added stories. The complete compiled version of the old and new
testament probably got finished at around 200-300 C.E. Not until 1611
C.E. did a committee of translators and interpreters complete the most
popular Bible of all time, the King James Version.

Interestingly, there existed many competing Christian cults in the early
years after Jesus' alleged death. Some sects saw the universe in
dualisms of goodness and sin, of light and darkness, God and the Devil.
Other Christian sects performed odd rituals, some of which involved the
swallowing of semen, thought of as a sacred substance. Many other
Christians also wrote mystical stories and by the second century there
existed more than a dozen Gospels, along with a whole library of other
texts. These include letters of Jesus to foreign kings, letters of Paul
to Aristotle, and histories of the disciples. In one of these secret
Gospels, it describes Jesus taking naked young men off to secret
initiation rites in the Garden of Gethsemene. There lived Christian
Gnostics (knowers) who believed that the church itself derived from the
Devil to keep man from God and from realizing his true nature. In those
first centuries of Christianity orthodoxy did not exist and when an
organized orthodox church finally came, it got defined, almost
inadvertently, in argument against many of the Gnostic sects.

So the idea of the Bible as a single, sacred unalterable corpus of texts
began in heresy and later extended and used by churchmen in their
efforts to define orthodoxy. One of the Bible's most influential
editors, Irenaeus of Lyon, decided that there should only exist four
Gospels like the four zones of the world, the four winds, the four
divisions of man's estate, and the four forms of the first living
creatures - the lion of Mark, the calf of Luke, the man of Matthew, and
the eagle of John. In a single stroke, Irenaeus had delineated the
sacred book of the Christian church and left out the other Gospels.
Irenaeus also wrote what Christianity did not include, and in this way
Christianity became an orthodox faith. A work of Irenaeus, Against the
Heresies, became the starting point for later inquisitions.

The salvation doctrines of Christianity survived and flourished because
they afforded the priesthood considerable power. The priests alone held
the keys to salvation and could threaten the unbelievers with eternal
punishment. Hence, in the evolution of Christianity in the last two
thousand years with priests preying on human fears, the religion has
demonstrated extraordinary powers of survival. Even without the priests,
the various versions of the Bible have had more influence on the history
of the world, in the minds of men than any other literature.

Unfortunately, the beliefs in Scripture has been the trigger for the
most violent actions against man in the history of humanity. The burning
of competing Christian cults (called heretics) by early Christian
churches acted as the seeds of violent atrocities against man. There
later followed the destruction of Rome by the Christian Goths, and the
secret pagan sacrifices consented by the Pope, the Vandals that had the
Bible with them as they destroyed imperial North Africa, the crusades in
the eleventh century fighting in the lands around the eastern
Mediterranean, Palestine and Syria, capturing Jerusalem and setting
kingdoms from Anatolia to the Egyptian border. In 1204 the Fourth
Crusade plundered Constantinople the most holy city at that time, with
Christians fighting Christians. And the slaughters continued (and
continues to this day).

According to Romer, "More heretics and scholars were burned in the
Middle Ages than were ever killed in Carolingian times. For at this time
the Inquisition came into its own, and torture, largely unused as an
instrument of government since Roman days, was reintroduced."

In the early 1500's the German heretic, Martin Luther, almost single
handedly caused the split from the Roman Catholic church and created the
beginnings of the Protestant church. This split still influences
violence to this day. Luther also helped spread anti-Semitism with his
preaching and books such as his "The Jews and their lies." One should
not forget that Hitler's holocaust could not have occurred without the
support of German Christian beliefs.

We have little reason to think that violence inspired by the Bibles and
religious texts will ever cease. One only has to look at the religious
wars around the world to see belief's everlasting destructive potential.
One only has to look at the Protestant-Catholic uprising in Ireland, the
conflicts in the middle east with Jews fighting Moslems & Christians,
the Iran-Iraq war, Sudan's civil war between Christians and Islamics and
the Bosnia conflicts. The desperate acts of fanatical individuals who
have killed for their beliefs of Jesus, Mohammed, God or Satan would
create a death list unmatched by any other method in history. The "Holy"
Bible supports the notion of war and destruction, not only as a prophesy
but as a moral necessity. If we wish to become

How the Christians stole the Christmas holiday

Christians celebrate the Nativity, or the birth of the alleged Jesus
every December 25. Contrary to belief, there exists no evidence for a
Jesus born on a December. Not a single shred of Biblical text declares
this date for a Jesus "the Christ."

The Christmas that we celebrate today derived from pre-Christian
Germanic, Roman, and Celtic people who celebrated the winter solstice.
The use of holly, mistletoe, yule logs, wassail bowls, and decorating a
tree derived from early pagan customs. Many European countries still
call this celebration "Yule-tide" meaning "wheel time," the cycles of time.

The Persian Mithras cult that spread during the 3rd and 4th centuries
B.C.E. and predates Christian ceremonies and rites such as: baptism,
communion wafer, and Sunday rest. On December 25, the sacrifice of a
bull celebrated the Sol invictus (the invincible sun) and signaled the
birth of a young sun god who sprang from a rock or a cave in the form of
a newborn infant.

The Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice on December 25th as a renewing
of the sun every year. Also the Romans celebrated the festival of the
Saturnalia from December 17th to the 24th to honor Saturn, the god of
grain and agriculture. The festival consisted of a period of goodwill,
devoted to visiting friends and the giving of gifts.

At the beginning of the first century, Christianity emerged as a
fledgling religion but not until the 4th century did Christians
celebrate the birth of Jesus. The motive behind the introduction of this
celebration aimed at subverting the practice of pagan rituals such as
Mithra and Saturnalia. Pope Liberus introduced the Nativity on December
25th 354 C.E.. By the 5th century, the event became so customary that it
began to mark the beginning of the ceremonial year.

Today, we still celebrate with ornaments on trees, mistletoe and giving
gifts, none of which has anything to do with Christian mythology. So
instead of celebrating the Christian deception, why not opt for the
earlier non-god celebration of the Winter Solstice? After all, it
represents an actual event as the planet earth orbits about the sun. The
universe presents us with far more magnificent events than the
superstitious religionists have ever dreamt up.

How the Christians stole the Easter holiday

Christians celebrate the annual festival commemorating the alleged
resurrection of Jesus between March 22 and April 25. For centuries,
Christian "scholars" have debated the date of Jesus' crucifixion
(cruci-fiction?). Not even Christians know when he died. There's not a
fragment of evidence that a Jesus was crucified on Mt. Calvary or
anywhere else (much less have evidence for his existence).

The Jews celebrate "Passover" at around this time, from an Exodus story
where God passes over the "chosen ones" on his way to kill the firstborn
of Egypt (Exodus 11, 12).

However, people had celebrated Easter during the vernal equinox long
before Judaism, Christianity and their superstitious myths.

The origin of the name Easter is unknown although Scholars suspect that
the derivation comes from Eastre, the Anglo-Saxon name of a Teutonic
goddess of spring and fertility, to whom people dedicated a month
corresponding to April. Her festival was celebrated on the day of the
vernal equinox. The tradition of Eastre survive in the Easter rabbit, a
symbol of fertility, and in colored easter eggs, originally painted with
bright colors to represent the sunlight of spring, and used in
Easter-egg rolling contests or given as gifts.

Such festivals were common in ancient religions, including the Greek
legend of the return of Persephone, daughter of Demeter, goddess of the
earth, from the underworld to the light of day. Her return symbolized to
the Greeks the resurrection of life in the spring after the desolation
of winter.

By contrast, the Christians celebrate a tortured man dying on a piece of
lumber and Jews celebrate the passover of a god on his way toward
killing infants. How morbid. Instead of celebrating death, why not opt
for the original Easter and admire the coming of spring, and the renewal
of life?

Early Christians never used the cross

Although a stake called a stauros was used to execute criminals, there's
not a scrap of evidence that a stauros was ever in the form of a cross
or even a T shape. If a Jesus had been executed, mythically or
historically, it hardly would have been with outstretched arms on a
cruciform structure.

There occurs no cross in early Christian art before the middle of the
5th century, where it (probably) appears on a coin in a painting. The
first clear crucifix appears in the late 7th century. Before then Jesus
was almost always depicted as a fish or a shepherd, never on a cross.

Constantine's supposed 4th century vision of a cross in the sky was not
of an instrument of execution; it was the Greek letter "X" (chi) with a
"P" (rho) through it, the well-known "monogram" of Christ.

Any Bible that contains the word "cross" or "crucify" comes from
dishonest scholarship Early Christians never used the cross

Any Bible that contains the word "cross" or "crucify" comes from
dishonest scholarship and any Christian who flaunts or wears a cross are
unwittingly supporting a historical falsehood.

There are more pagan holidays that 'became' christian re: All saints day
came about because of Halloween etc.

8)Logic:

Why do people believe the Christian mythology without question, when
educated clergy have known for hundreds of years that many of the
so-called Christian 'facts' are of human construction, created at a time
to suit political ends?

If you are still in doubt whether to give up or change your current
believe due to facts, then use your logic. Ask yourself some questions.

1)Does it really make sense that the all mighty God will send down a
book written in Hebrew for every single person on earth to believe in?
Why didn't God send down the Bible from heaven as he did with the Ten
Commandments to avoid human error? Wouldn't it have been more affective
for God to appear in the sky and tell everyone on earth what he wanted
to, rather than let an earthling give birth to his child and expecting
his son to convince everyone on earth that he is indeed the son of the
almighty God and not just a mere human? Why wasn't this book. The bible,
sent down at the same time? Instead God 'inspired' over fifty different
writers over thousands of years?

2)Why would an almighty, loving God create human beings, who have the
capacity to choose to defy him and ally with his 'enemy', Satan? Or for
that matter, why give them an alternative to good, i.e. Satan? Do we
realize that our choice or 'free will' for evil or satan was created by God?

3)Does it make sense that God is just male when we are all 'created in
the image of God, both male and female?

4)Why after all that Satan has done to God's creation does he still
tolerate him?

5)Why did God create male and female animals and only male humans in the
beginning?

6)Why has God allowed the church to get split up in so many
non-agreeable institutions and how does he expect us to know which one
is right? Or are they all right and if so why do they differ?

7)In the crusades when Christians wiped out entire villages with the
belief "God will know his own", policy. How do you reconcile this with
"thou shalt not kill?

8) Did God expect humans to translate His word correctly when he decided
to send the bible down in only one language?

9)Why is Mary Magdalene portrayed as a whore in the Bible when there is
no physical evidence to support this?

10)Why does the catholic church and many others not give women the same
status as men in interpreting the word of God when Christ himself chose
the Magdalene above everyone else to spread the word that he was alive?

11)If heaven is so perfect, how did Lucifer become evil?

12)Why do we consider Christ to be divine when he himself made no such
claim?

13)Why was a new religion created around Christ when he came to uphold
the Law of Moses and not change it?

14)Imagine an ancient tribe, who have been worshipping their own version
of 'God' for thousands of years, following their ancestors guidance,
when confronted with the Bible as the 'only' truth would you expect them
to change? Will the all loving God then banish them to hell for not
converting?

15)If God is 'all knowing', why did he create us and the earth when he
would already have known the outcome?

16)Why do Christians only follow the Ten Commandments and not all the
others when Deuteronomy has many other restrictions e.g. (to be
completed ...)

9)Conclusion:

I am one of many millions of Christians who have been indoctrinated from
the cradle but now, cannot believe in a dictatorial religion. I am not
an Atheist. I do believe that the concept of God is bigger than me. But
I deny the claim of the church into which I was born to be the only one
offering salvation, because I consider the dogmas and tenets of Buddha
and Mohammed, etc, to be of no less value. The Bible does not contain a
single religious or moral idea that was not already contained in some
form in the Holy Scriptures of earlier or contemporary religions.

What I wrote down here is a summery of findings. There is a lot more
information that is very relevant towards Christianity and religion.

In order to achieve piece of mind for us 'truth-seekers'; Listen to your
mind. Go out and experience. Your own truth is out there somewhere. Or
just relax and be happy.

God is not, 'trying to covert people'

God is not, 'thau shalt not ...'

God is not, 'a religion or belief'

God is love.

If only all the people can except that God is love there will be no more
'need' for war and hatred and conflict.

Please refer to following books for a lot more detail.

Bibliography:

1. The Christ life from nativity to ascension - Geoffrey Hodson

2. Miracles of the Gods - Erich von Daniken

3. Jesus: the evidence - Ian Wilson

4. Gods of the earth - Michael Jordan

5. The Messianic legacy - M. Baigent, R. Leigh & H. Lincoln

6. The Holy blood and the Holy Grail - M. Bight, R. Leigh & H. Lincoln

7. The Bible -? (Most different copies)

8. The Origin of Satan - Elaine Pagels

9. Dead Sea scrolls - the Essenes

10. Book of Thomas - Thomas, (the [twin ?] brother of Jesus ?)

11. The Nag Hammadi files

12.The Devil, a biography - Peter Stanford

13.The lost book of the Bible and the forgotten books of Eden

14. The Malleus Maleficarum

15.Tons of other books hidden away in different bookstores.

16. Books on Pagan history.

17.The Internet - Various sites

18.The ideas from various people.

Arancaytar Ilyaran

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May 21, 2007, 7:24:02 AM5/21/07

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On 5/21/07, harlcazz <harl...@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>

> The 'very important, Repent' email begs a reply> [Message clipped]

No it does not. It does not beg to be replied to, especially not with
a response that is even longer than the rant itself and especially not
in a list where the rant didn't belong in the first place.

--
Aran

Don Z (TFG)

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May 21, 2007, 9:40:35 AM5/21/07

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Why is this bullshit spam on Okopipi? Mods: Please dump this garbage and emplace measures to prevent it in the future.

There is a time and place for this sort of thing, but Okopipi ain't it.

harlcazz

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May 21, 2007, 8:45:17 AM5/21/07

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True, my apology. I got mixed up with some of the groups I am in. I also
belong to a Freethinkers group (whom I also have not had any post for a
few months)
Scrap my last message.

Paul Herring

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May 21, 2007, 8:58:56 AM5/21/07

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On 5/21/07, Don Z (TFG) <dza...@fishgame.com> wrote:
>
> Why is this bullshit spam on Okopipi? Mods:

There is a dedicated address to contact the owner. Hint: the one you
used wasn't it.

> Please dump this garbage and emplace

Emplace? Thank you for another word to add to buzzword-bingo :)

> measures to prevent it in the future.

I think most of us have our own - they're called spam filters.

> There is a time and place for this sort of thing, but Okopipi ain't it.

[huge snip]

Please learn to trim your quotes. Maybe you could call on the 'mods'
to moderate over-quoted messages as well. There was absolutely no
reason to quote the whole spam verbatim.

Not that I think there's much moderation needed - this list has been
quiet of late. See last message at
http://groups.google.com/group/okopipi-discuss/browse_thread/thread/87e34ff58010a9ca?hl=en

--
PJH

zounds

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May 23, 2007, 12:24:00 AM5/23/07

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FFS! - Quite ironic that I'm getting spam in my inbox from this group,
time I unsubscribed I guess.

harlcazz

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May 23, 2007, 4:13:51 AM5/23/07

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We have not had any mail in this group for months. All of a sudden we
get 1 unrelated email, perhaps 2 if you count the one in that I sent and
everyone is moaning and groaning.

If this is a reflection of how we are working or going to work together
we might just as well pack it in now.

To change the subject and hopefully get something going again I order
the DVD: The power of the Community. How Cuba Survived Peak oil.
Very good DVD to watch.

I also have various ebooks and video's on renewable energy that I could
share with people if anyone is interested.

Be nice, be kind.
Frank

Poltergeist

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May 23, 2007, 6:57:36 AM5/23/07

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harlcazz wrote:
> We have not had any mail in this group for months. All of a sudden we
> get 1 unrelated email, perhaps 2 if you count the one in that I sent and
> everyone is moaning and groaning.

Personally I was happy to see that there are still several subscribers
here. This gives me some hope that some people will be patient enough
to stay until I release my prototype, and can then help test it and
help get things going again.

So from my point of view your presence here is greatly appreciated!
And by you I mean everybody who has the patience to stay!

> If this is a reflection of how we are working or going to work together
> we might just as well pack it in now.

Somewhat recently there was a short flurry of activity in our parallel
web-based forum, where some felt that it was time to pack it in, and I
disagreed. See
http://www.okopipi.org/user/james4shari/blog/119#comment-475

Apart from that duscussion, the following comment was heartening,
considering the time that my work is taking:
http://www.okopipi.org/user/lethal_1/blog/74#comment-485

--
Poltergeist

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