Teleconference - Tuesday July-15-2025

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Jul 14, 2025, 1:32:31 AMJul 14
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Okapi Teleconference - Tuesday July-15-2025

 

Google Meet session:

https://meet.google.com/gjn-ywuw-hei

 

Fixed Time:

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=2025-07-15T15:00:00

 

8am San-Jose, San-Francisco

9am Salt-Lake City, Boulder

4pm Dublin

5pm Oslo, Berlin, Krakow, Roma, Erquy

And 10pm on Christmas Island

https://www.google.com/search?q=christmas+island&udm=2

 

 

== PRs:

 

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests

 

- add general option to remove embedded xlsx files on merge

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/926

Jim also requested to follow some rule on how to remove things from the original document

https://groups.google.com/g/okapi-devel/c/1VhN7302Ong

 

- Core: Code IDs generation reconsidered

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/922

Jim is ask if we have consensus for changing the way ID values are generated.

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/922#note_2622326616

 

- Draft: initial code for supporting chartEx

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/928

 

 

=== Release 1.48.0

 

Some users are asking for features we have added.

Last release was Octobre 5th 2024 (about 10 months ago)

Jim and Denis are continuing to work on several PRs for the upcoming release.

 

 

=== Snapshot deployment failure

 

https://groups.google.com/g/okapi-devel/c/1TfCtekIjCE

Fix has been merged:

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/927

 

 

=== Several issues in Omegat Plugin

 

Manuel noted that we have several issues pending for XLIFF 1.2 and 2.0 in plugin for OmegaT

https://groups.google.com/g/okapi-devel/c/eeS50Tc0kUs

 

 

=== Java version

 

We should go to the next LTS. 17 and 21 are LTS.

We will move after the release 1.48.0

 

 

=== Any Other Business

 

Next call: August 19th

 

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yves.s...@gmail.com

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Jul 15, 2025, 11:43:19 AMJul 15
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Okapi Teleconference - Tuesday July-15-2025 - Summary

Attendees: Yves, Dale, Chase

 

 

== PRs:

 

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests

 

- add general option to remove embedded xlsx files on merge

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/926

Jim also requested to follow some rule on how to remove things from the original document

https://groups.google.com/g/okapi-devel/c/1VhN7302Ong

 

D: probably doesn’t matter where it’s done.

C: not feeling qualified to have an opinion on that topic.

 

- Core: Code IDs generation reconsidered

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/922

Jim is ask if we have consensus for changing the way ID values are generated.

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/922#note_2622326616

 

C: we don’t known how users use the lib. For us we would be able to work around it.

.. not sure about the whole story of this PR.

C: We need to check the history for those changes.

.. Not sure, but I think this is reversing a previous change.

(See thread: “Since your change switches back to what we had originally I'm inclined to approve the changes. But let's see what others say. »)

 

Y: I’ve now read the all set of comments.

It seems we are going back to an previous way.

But also changing how string-based ID are converted to numbers (making they better).

There is the concern that it breaks backward compatibility for the inline content, which may be stored in DBs (e.g. TMs).

So you may end up with a fuzzy match instead of an exact match.

Personnaly, based on our own use/experience, this won’t be a big issue as things like that are often fixed automatically nowadays.

If this improves the IDs (and it seems it does), ethn I would say it’s fine.

 

- Draft: initial code for supporting chartEx

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/928

Draft for now.

 

 

=== Release 1.48.0

 

Some users are asking for features we have added.

Last release was Octobre 5th 2024 (about 10 months ago)

Jim and Denis are continuing to work on several PRs for the upcoming release.

 

C: The ID issue should probably be resolved before.

Y: Yes, and Jim and Denis can decide about the date depending on what must go in.

 

 

=== Snapshot deployment failure

 

https://groups.google.com/g/okapi-devel/c/1TfCtekIjCE

Fix has been merged:

https://gitlab.com/okapiframework/Okapi/-/merge_requests/927

 

 

=== Several issues in Omegat Plugin

 

Manuel noted that we have several issues pending for XLIFF 1.2 and 2.0 in plugin for OmegaT

https://groups.google.com/g/okapi-devel/c/eeS50Tc0kUs

 

The usual contributors have unfortunately zero time to work on things that are not directly related to the parts of Okapi they don’t use.

So, while we really would like to clear a lot of the bugs and issues, we have no resources to do it

 

 

=== Java version

 

We should go to the next LTS. 17 and 21 are LTS.

We will move after the release 1.48.0

Same plan as before.

Jim Hargrave

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Jul 15, 2025, 12:55:05 PMJul 15
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Sorry I missed the meeting. A few comments:

>>Jim also requested to follow some rule on how to remove things from the original document

The main reason to not remove information during extraction is that we never know if that info  might be needed in applications for context. For example, in the case of embedded xlsx, some applications may want to reference those or give more information before they are removed. 

If you think of a richer extraction format like jsonl (which we use) this opens the door to many more possibilities - we don't want to prune any of that information prematurely.

Jim
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Manuel Souto Pico

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Jul 15, 2025, 1:02:08 PMJul 15
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Thanks Yves.

I wanted to join again today, but it seems I was late.
Thanks for discussing several of the issues that are holding us back.
And thanks for the minutes: your email answers some questions I wanted to ask in the call.

Cheers, Manuel

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Jim Hargrave

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Jul 15, 2025, 8:12:03 PMJul 15
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one more jab. The statements below have nothing to do with the openxml changes specifically. Just something we should keep in mind:

We should follow the rule: Don't delete context prematurely.

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