Why all the hate here?
Gaff
before. Did I miss something that happened before I found this group?
Gaff
Mercutio Jones
"Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I know I'm new here but I have never seen so much hate in a group like
this
> before.
Stick around and watch someone called "Ivan." Other than that person, we're
all fairly civil with one another.
It's that turd in the punchbowl thing.
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Les
this
> before. Did I miss something that happened before I found this group?
Hang around awhile... Lurk & learn.
victoria
is so ill equippped to fight back yet tries anyway.
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:43:19 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
wrote:
>I know I'm new here but I have never seen so much hate in a group like this
>before. Did I miss something that happened before I found this group?
>
>Gaff
>
CARE TAKE!!!
Victoria
Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html
http://www.redcross.org
http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com
http://www.WallofTolerance.com
"...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it.
~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools?
http://www.stonewallestates.com
Uncle Jerry
wrote:
>I know I'm new here but I have never seen so much hate in a group like this
>before. Did I miss something that happened before I found this group?
>
>Gaff
>
Nah, you just caught us in the midst of de-lousing the place.
See http://www.bubbaworld.com/ivan.html and
http://www.bubbaworld.com/ivan2.html for reference.
Boomerlake
>I know I'm new here but I have never seen so much hate in a group like this
>before. Did I miss something that happened before I found this group?
>
>Gaff
You would save a lot of time avoiding the topics centered on a personality
like Ivan. For instance, upon inspecting the topic ";-p" I found it only had
to do with Ivan. With 185 replies to that topic, I have better things to do
with my Internet time than to try to keep up with all that crap. Doubt that I
would be interested to if I was retired and had a lot more time.
Gaff
what's going on.
Gaff
"Mercutio Jones" <lawt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gaff
missed a post where this all got started.
Gaff
"Les" <okt...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
there is more to this.
Gaff
"victoria" <catlashpr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gaff
Where did the owner of the web site get this information, and why would they
take time to do this?
Gaff
"Uncle Jerry" <bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gaff
anything he posts?
Gaff
"Boomerlake" <boome...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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Steve Henderson
> "victoria" <catlashpr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ujrv7vkd8as9gej3p...@4ax.com...
> >
> > Ivan is like the resident llon that we all like to pick on-because he
> > is so ill equippped to fight back yet tries anyway.
>
> I'm not one to pick on someone just because they can't fight back. Surely
> there is more to this.
You miss her point.
He tries, Oh Deity, how he tries.
He's just so stupid, insipid and peurile that it doesn't get him very far.
It's difficult to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Steve Henderson
> "Uncle Jerry" <bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b5or6k$lp6$1...@pita.alt.net...
> > On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:43:19 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I know I'm new here but I have never seen so much hate in a group like
> this
> > >before. Did I miss something that happened before I found this group?
> >
> > Nah, you just caught us in the midst of de-lousing the place.
> >
> > See http://www.bubbaworld.com/ivan.html and
> > http://www.bubbaworld.com/ivan2.html for reference.
>
> Are you certain that all of the information on that web site is correct?
> Where did the owner of the web site get this information, and why would
they
> take time to do this?
Very little of that website was written by the author, the man you were
conversing with. Most of it was simply archived there by him.
victoria
you yourself can find. Many of those posts of Ivan's are here on this
very ng.
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:55:42 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
wrote:
CARE TAKE!!!
Steve Henderson
> "Boomerlake" <boome...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> news:20030325193223...@mb-mq.aol.com...
> > >
> > >I know I'm new here but I have never seen so much hate in a group like
> this
> > >before. Did I miss something that happened before I found this group?
> > >
> > >Gaff
> >
> > You would save a lot of time avoiding the topics centered on a
> personality
> > like Ivan. For instance, upon inspecting the topic ";-p" I found it
only
> had
> > to do with Ivan. With 185 replies to that topic, I have better things
to
> do
> > with my Internet time than to try to keep up with all that crap. Doubt
> that I
> > would be interested to if I was retired and had a lot more time.
>
> Isn't it possible to use filters of some sort to avoid having to see
> anything he posts?
Of course there is.
Until he changes his "email address" or name, again.
Les
> I lurked for a few days. I don't read all messages, I guess I might have
> missed a post where this all got started.
Gaff, you'd be amazed at how much you've missed.
Uncle Jerry
wrote:
>Are you certain that all of the information on that web site is correct?
>Where did the owner of the web site get this information, and why would they
>take time to do this?
>
>Gaff
Information in the files:
http://www.bubbaworld.com/ivan.html
http://www.bubbaworld.com/ivan2.html
http://www.bubbaworld.com/ivan3.html
Comes from only two sources:
first and foremost Ivan's keyboard, as archived by Deja/Google and
over the course of 7 - 8 years.
Everything else is *my opinion* of what came from Ivan's keyboard and
his actions as they relate to ok.general.
Why did I do it?
Because *it wasn't there*.
And needed to be.
The primary page averages over 3,000 hits per month, so evidently it's
a 'reference of sorts', although some of those hits are undoubtedly
Ivan checking to see if I've updated 'his page' recently.
If you get the chance you might also check out the entire site, there
lots of info about Oklahoma, Okies and the dreaded mental disorder
known as 'Okie Think'...
Donna
posting about all the 7-11 stores closing due to the upcoming war asking
where he had heard this and that I had not read this anywhere. Being new to
the group, I was unaware that some may post completely bogus news just to
get attention.
The responses I got was one posting "can't you tell, the idiot made it up!"
and other posting from many others, carrying on about my single sentence
posting, noting my english skills, my writing, that I must be a worried 7-11
worker, etc.
It was ridiculous! This first response told me what I wanted to know, the
rest was about 20 junk postings just babbling and cutting down myself and
the unknown that posted the original message.
"Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
Gaff
"Steve Henderson" <etaoin...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
Gaff
"Bàidh Stidean" <iv...@blows.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:56:56 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >Isn't it possible to use filters of some sort to avoid having to see
> >anything he posts?
>
> Well, yes and no. the problem with Ivan is that he "mutates",
> meaning he changes his e-mail, his Usenet handle, etc. to circumvent
> killfiles. Right now, he's been pretty consistent with Ivan2003, so
> if you killfiled that, you'd probably avoid him for the immediate time
> being.
Gaff
didn't realize this was Jerry's web site.
Gaff
"Steve Henderson" <etaoin...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
Ivan2003.
Gaff
"Steve Henderson" <etaoin...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
Gaff
"victoria" <catlashpr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gaff
try reading more of it this weekend. I don't have much time during the week.
Gaff
"Uncle Jerry" <bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gaff
conversation about the street rods at Sonic last weekend. Surely there are
some positive things to talk about?
Gaff
"Les" <okt...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
judge anything until I see it myself. I can say that any rumors about 7-11
closing sounds like someone trying a lame attempt at humor.
Gaff
"Donna" <dkay...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Uncle Jerry
wrote:
>This web site is yours? I just thought you were providing a link to it. I'll
>try reading more of it this weekend. I don't have much time during the week.
>
>Gaff
Yeah, it's mine.
It first went on-line back in '95 as protest against the then pending
'CDA' (Communications Decency Act) with which Congress sought to
censor the internet. The original site featured the so called "Dirty
Parts of the Bible", all of which would have become illegal to place
on the internet under the provisions of the CDA. Following the demise
of the 'CDA', Bubbaworld became an information source on fighting net
abuse, spam and such.
Around 2000, it became a political & social commentary site featuring
"News of the Okies", which it remains today. It seems the only way to
induce change in Oklahoma is to *shame* folks into it.
That's the idea behind Bubbaworld.
Well that and "warning off outsiders".
Ivan refers to Bubbaworld as being "anti-Oklahoma", but that's clearly
not the case. Bubbaworld is simply a reflection of life in Oklahoma.
If it's ugly that's only because the Okie Thinkers(tm) make it that
way....
Uncle Jerry
wrote:
>I can't understand why anyone would need to change handles all the time.
>
>Gaff
>
Because they are ashamed of what they write and how they act.
And
They try to avoid responsibility for their actions.
What's worse about Ivan's 'mutations' is that he uses the e-mail
address of others in his efforts to hide while espousing his hate.
And this evidently without any concern for problems this might cause
for people he doesn't even know, as is the case with his recent habit
of posting under the identities of various users of Hotmail.
I've set up a 'bot' which automatically notifies the legitimate owners
of the e-mail addresses which Ivan hijacks, provides them with the
applicable Google references to forged posts under their e-mail
address and notifies them where to complain, i.e. ab...@prodigy.net if
they so desire.
Why do I do this?
Simply because I can and it's something that needs to be done.
Identify theft is a serious matter in this day and age and most of us
would want to be notified if a forger was posting under our identity.
Uncle Jerry
<i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:01:19 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
>scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
>>I wonder why Ivan doesn't respond to any of this conversation?
>
> He doesn't have anything to say when he's "caught in the act", so to
>speak. Take the posts from "WIT Security" - not long after that
>appears, Ivan began mutating again. Considering he claimed multiple
>times to be a Willaims employee (or contractor, depending on his claim
>at the moment) on Monday, along comes a post from someone purporting
>to be with Williams' security and Ivan starts mutating. Doesn't that
>strike you as a bit curious and the action of someone with something
>to hide? It appears Ivan has a lot to hide and that he wants to avoid
>everything he's said and done in the past.
Cowards and liars are like that.
They are also like cockroaches.
They run away when the bright light shines upon them.
But I doubt Ivan will be able to run away this time as it seems the
'Orkin Man' is after him in a big way...
I wonder why? ;-)
Uncle Jerry
<i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:57:38 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
>scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
>>I can't understand why anyone would need to change handles all the time.
>
> Oh, I can. A lot of people do, I have on the order of once a year
>or so - usually becuase I just get tired of it. Ivan, however, does
>it with irrational frequency, mostly to avoid killfiles. Ivan has a
>desperate need for attention, which is why he tries to provoke people.
>I suspect that his latest attacks may be the beginning of the end,
>with the complaints made to Prodigy about his posts and his hijacking
>of e-mail addresses, as well as Williams now being interested in his
>use of the company name and possibly services that they pay for that
>Ivan's using to carry out this abuse.
Something tells me that once it's all played out Ivan will be back to
'dial up', probably with AOL, as the folks at MSN/Hotmail have heard
about his 'address jacking' already.
From several of their subscribers from what I read.
Mercutio Jones
"Uncle Jerry" <Bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It seems the only way to
> induce change in Oklahoma is to *shame* folks into it.
Or convince them that it's what Jesus wants.
victoria
That is the thing.Honest ppl do not need to.
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:57:38 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
wrote:
CARE TAKE!!!
Les
> I hate seeing things this bad in a group like this. I enjoyed the
> conversation about the street rods at Sonic last weekend. Surely there are
> some positive things to talk about?
I'd hoped that I could make it over there this weekend to check 'em out, but
it looks like I'll be out of town all weekend. Take more pictures if you get
the chance.
Steve Henderson
> You're not talking about a battle of wits with me are you?
Not unless you prove yourself to be on par with Ivan, no.
Steve Henderson
> "Bàidh Stidean" <iv...@blows.com> wrote in message
> news:uc928von08o70qkqd...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:56:56 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> > scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
> >
> > >Isn't it possible to use filters of some sort to avoid having to see
> > >anything he posts?
> >
> > Well, yes and no. the problem with Ivan is that he "mutates",
> > meaning he changes his e-mail, his Usenet handle, etc. to circumvent
> > killfiles. Right now, he's been pretty consistent with Ivan2003, so
> > if you killfiled that, you'd probably avoid him for the immediate time
> > being.
>
> I can't understand why anyone would need to change handles all the time.
Neither can we.
Steve Henderson
> I'll have to go back and read more of it and follow some of the links. I
> didn't realize this was Jerry's web site.
No way you could have known without asking.
Steve Henderson
> "victoria" <catlashpr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4k928v8at49bv1bgd...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:55:42 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Are you certain that all of the information on that web site is
correct?
> > >Where did the owner of the web site get this information, and why would
> they
> > >take time to do this?
> > >
> > >Gaff
> > >
> > >"Uncle Jerry" <bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:b5or6k$lp6$1...@pita.alt.net...
> > >> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:43:19 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I know I'm new here but I have never seen so much hate in a group
like
> > >this
> > >> >before. Did I miss something that happened before I found this
group?
> > >> >
> > >> >Gaff
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Nah, you just caught us in the midst of de-lousing the place.
> > >>
> > >> See http://www.bubbaworld.com/ivan.html and
> > >> http://www.bubbaworld.com/ivan2.html for reference.
> >
> > The info came straight from Ivan's keyboard and various google files
> > you yourself can find. Many of those posts of Ivan's are here on this
> > very ng.
>
> I wonder why Ivan doesn't respond to any of this conversation?
Because his -worst- comment is so Pee Wee Herman-like one has to wonder if
he's been caught jerking off in Adult Theaters.
Steve Henderson
> "Les" <okt...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:HZaga.32095$MP5....@news1.central.cox.net...
> >
> > "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:ks9ga.29531$MP5....@news1.central.cox.net...
> > > I lurked for a few days. I don't read all messages, I guess I might
have
> > > missed a post where this all got started.
> >
> > Gaff, you'd be amazed at how much you've missed.
>
> I hate seeing things this bad in a group like this. I enjoyed the
> conversation about the street rods at Sonic last weekend. Surely there are
> some positive things to talk about?
Start a conversation of interest to you. If it's of interest to others,
they'll join in.
Gaff
it.
Gaff
"Uncle Jerry" <Bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gaff
Gaff
"Uncle Jerry" <Bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gaff
won't understand.
Gaff
"Bàidh Stidean" <i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:08:15 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >I'm not just new to the group, but to the Tulsa area also. I try not to
> >judge anything until I see it myself. I can say that any rumors about
7-11
> >closing sounds like someone trying a lame attempt at humor.
>
> It was, and what made it obvious that it was a troll was the rasical
> tone of the message about the "closure" - (e.g., 7-11 employs Arabs.)
Gaff
it'll be easier after I've been reading the group longer.
Gaff
"Bàidh Stidean" <i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:04:30 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >I hate seeing things this bad in a group like this. I enjoyed the
> >conversation about the street rods at Sonic last weekend. Surely there
are
> >some positive things to talk about?
>
> There are, and anyone is welcome to start a topic. Things go bad
> when people like Ivan decide to go on their malicious attacks. A week
> ago, totally out of the blue, Ivan decided to post under my real name
> in an attempt to slander me. That's what provokes this sort of thing.
> Nobody seeks this loser out, he just comes in and makes himself into a
> jerk.
Gaff
fired? That would be a shame.
Gaff
"Bàidh Stidean" <i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:01:19 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >I wonder why Ivan doesn't respond to any of this conversation?
>
Gaff
very frequently. That is what I can't understand.
Gaff
"Bàidh Stidean" <i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:57:38 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >I can't understand why anyone would need to change handles all the time.
>
Uncle Jerry
wrote:
>It's an interesting history. I found more time this evening to read some of
>it.
>
>Gaff
There's a lot there with more coming.
As a 'peace offering' to Ivan I recently added a page on the Lane
Family of Tulsa, which just might share some interests with Ivan.
I don't know if he's seen it yet or not as he seems to spend most of
his time at Bubbaworld on the "Ivan Page".
Anyhow, he was always complaining about the lack of pictures on
Bubbaworld, so I decided to add more reports that included pictures
for his benefit. Of course he will probably complain about the
photography now...
Gaff
If so, I will take more pictures.
Gaff
"Les" <okt...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
line.
Gaff
"Steve Henderson" <etaoin...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
Lane family.
Gaff
"Uncle Jerry" <bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Steve Henderson
> Steve, I don't know who you think you are, but you are about to cross a
> line.
Huh? What line?
I don't think you -can- prove yourself to be on par with Ivan.
Not with practice.
Lots and lots of practice.
ivan2003
Gaff wrote:
> Steve, I don't know who you think you are, but you are about to cross a
> line.
>
> Gaff
> I just might warn you that some of the people you are posting with can try
> very hard to cause you a lot of real world trouble if they feel you do not fit
> into their mold..I myself really don't worry much about what they try to
> do..But it's best to always becareful. <smile>
Ivan
===
ivan2003
Steve Henderson wrote:
Thats a true statment..And stevie nicks(tm) Try hard not to over do things with
new readers of this newsgroup..You have a habit of thinking you and the other
netthugs own this usenet group and make the rules..But far from it.. you damn
sure don't.
Ivan
===
ivan2003
Gaff wrote:
> I haven't seen any messages from him lately. Do you think he might have got
> fired? That would be a shame.
>
> Gaff
Oh don't lose any sleep worring about me getting fired..I am a contractor and
little warts like jumpingjerry(tm) and his netthugging gang..Can't even come
close to causing me any work problems..Try as they have they just can't get me
in any trouble..I guess the truth will keep one free..It's still a FREE
Internet no matter what some people think. <smile>
Ivan
===
Steve Henderson
"ivan2003" <basketba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > No way you could have known without asking.
>
> Thats a true statment..And stevie nicks(tm) Try hard not to over do things
with
> new readers of this newsgroup..You have a habit of thinking you and the
other
> netthugs own this usenet group and make the rules..But far from it.. you
damn
> sure don't.
I know who Stevie Nicks is. She's a blonde female that can sing. I'm not
any one of the three.
You have NO clue as to what I'm in the habit of thinking, and that's only
one of a multitude of things about which you have no clue.
Steve Henderson
>
>
> Gaff wrote:
>
> > Steve, I don't know who you think you are, but you are about to cross a
> > line.
> >
> > Gaff
> > I just might warn you that some of the people you are posting with can
try
> > very hard to cause you a lot of real world trouble if they feel you do
not fit
> > into their mold..I myself really don't worry much about what they try to
> > do..But it's best to always becareful. <smile>
How DO you manage to fuck up everything you touch?
On an entirely too regular a basis, you manage to post your messages as if
you were already being quoted.
Gaff
one person I will keep my eyes on though.
Gaff
"ivan2003" <basketba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
Gaff
insinuate anything like this.
Gaff
"Steve Henderson" <etaoin...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
treated. If they are looking to cut costs in any way, they will listen to
any hints of abuse of any sort. Trust me on this.
Gaff
"ivan2003" <basketba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Steve Henderson
> > > > > > He's just so stupid, insipid and peurile that it doesn't get him
> > very
> > > > far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's difficult to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're not talking about a battle of wits with me are you?
> > > >
> > > > Not unless you prove yourself to be on par with Ivan, no.
> > >
> > > Steve, I don't know who you think you are, but you are about to cross
a
> > > line.
> >
> > Huh? What line?
> >
> > I don't think you -can- prove yourself to be on par with Ivan.
> >
> > Not with practice.
> >
> > Lots and lots of practice.
>
> Steve, if you have a problem with me, just come out and say so. No need to
> insinuate anything like this.
No insinuation at all. I stand by what I said.
ivan2003
Steve Henderson wrote:
Does what I posted bother you? have I told a fib about you netthugs?
Ivan
===
ivan2003
Steve Henderson wrote:
I know what I see you write and this gives me all I need to know about you.
Ivan
===
ivan2003
"Bŕidh Stidean" wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:43:04 GMT, ivan2003
> <basketba...@hotmail.com> scribbled on the wall of the Keating
> Kabin:
>
> >
> >
> >Gaff wrote:
> >
> >> I haven't seen any messages from him lately. Do you think he might have got
> >> fired? That would be a shame.
> >>
> >> Gaff
> >
> >Oh don't lose any sleep worring about me getting fired..I am a contractor and
> >little warts like jumpingjerry(tm) and his netthugging gang..Can't even come
> >close to causing me any work problems..Try as they have they just can't get me
> >in any trouble..I guess the truth will keep one free..It's still a FREE
> >Internet no matter what some people think. <smile>
>
> Actually, numbnuts, it's not. When you go to an ISP for service,
> you agree to abide by their terms of service. They can tell you what
> you can and can't say as long as you're on the service. BTW, I think
> you are lying about your work, but why should that be a surprise to
> anyone?
I could really care less. <smile>
Ivan
===
ivan2003
Gaff wrote:
> I've done some contracting myself and have seen how contractors can be
> treated. If they are looking to cut costs in any way, they will listen to
> any hints of abuse of any sort. Trust me on this.
>
> Gaff
> I feel as a contractor I get paid to take the heat..take the fall..and get
> abused thats why I am contracting..And getting paid to take the abuse is the
> best part of being a contractor.
Ivan
===
Gaff
just not be abusive?
Gaff
"Bàidh Stidean" <i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote in message
news:2qr48v4cuu8ps561j...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:17:24 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >I can see changing once a year or so. The way I read it is that Ivan
changes
> >very frequently. That is what I can't understand.
>
> He thinks he's making it difficult for people to track him. It may
> also be done to stay under the radar of the abuse department at his
> ISP. I used to investigate these sorts of things, and that was common
> - changing identities so a Google search only turns a portion of what
> is ultimately a large volume of posts. Most abuse departments won't
> do much more than a cursory search and if they see three or four
> posts, they'll likely discount the complaint - even when the actual
> volume is much greater when all the identities are added together.
> It's an old spammer's trick, too.
Gaff
Gaff
"Steve Henderson" <etaoin...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:couga.50285$MP5....@news1.central.cox.net...
Gaff
groups.
Gaff
"Bàidh Stidean" <i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote in message
news:oos48vk7he38dt5p2...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:12:55 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >I have noticed a few racist comments here. I guess that's something else
I
> >won't understand.
>
> There's a troll from Wisconsin (his latest incarnation is "Wes")
> that crossposts all kinds of racist swill to a whole host of
> newsgroups, including this one. That "Mammy says..." thread is his
> work. Ivan is also responsible for some of it, he has a problem with
> Hispanics for some reason.
Gaff
expect to get paid to be abused.
Gaff
"ivan2003" <autosho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3E828798...@hotmail.com...
Gaff
Gaff
"ivan2003" <autosho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3E828625...@hotmail.com...
Steve Henderson
> > I feel as a contractor I get paid to take the heat..take the fall..and
get
> > abused thats why I am contracting..And getting paid to take the abuse is
the
> > best part of being a contractor.
So, when you don't get enough at "work", you come in here to round out your
day, eh?
Steve Henderson
> > >I can see changing once a year or so. The way I read it is that Ivan
> changes
> > >very frequently. That is what I can't understand.
> >
> > He thinks he's making it difficult for people to track him. It may
> > also be done to stay under the radar of the abuse department at his
> > ISP. I used to investigate these sorts of things, and that was common
> > - changing identities so a Google search only turns a portion of what
> > is ultimately a large volume of posts. Most abuse departments won't
> > do much more than a cursory search and if they see three or four
> > posts, they'll likely discount the complaint - even when the actual
> > volume is much greater when all the identities are added together.
> > It's an old spammer's trick, too.
>
> I can't see why anyone would go to that much trouble. Wouldn't it be
easier
> just not be abusive?
Some people just love to hate.
Steve Henderson
> > > > > > > > He's just so stupid, insipid and peurile that it doesn't get
> him
> > > > very
> > > > > > far.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's difficult to have a battle of wits with an unarmed
> person.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're not talking about a battle of wits with me are you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not unless you prove yourself to be on par with Ivan, no.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve, I don't know who you think you are, but you are about to
> cross
> > a
> > > > > line.
> > > >
> > > > Huh? What line?
> > > >
> > > > I don't think you -can- prove yourself to be on par with Ivan.
> > > >
> > > > Not with practice.
> > > >
> > > > Lots and lots of practice.
> > >
> > > Steve, if you have a problem with me, just come out and say so. No
need
> to
> > > insinuate anything like this.
> >
> > No insinuation at all. I stand by what I said.
>
> Just what the hell is your problem?
Don't have one.
I just refuse to suffer fools gladly or in silence.
ivan2003
just like to warn new posters to this group about being careful. You will
notice it's not a large group who try to run things. On another subject
"Pictures" Check out some of mine..jerry has only one picture on
boobooworld(tm) he trys to make something out of he does not show all the
others..
http://www.pbase.com/ivan4741/root
Ivan
====
ivan2003
Steve Henderson wrote:
You are crazy as A loon.. Are you on drugs tonight? are you drunk? Your so
stupid you are making my point..<smile> THANKS!!
Ivan
===
Uncle Jerry
wrote:
>I will have to look at the page again. I don't remember anything about the
>Lane family.
>
>Gaff
They are kinda' Ambassadors of Okie Think(tm).
Heavily into 'family togetherness'.
That sorta' thing...
Steve Henderson
> > You have NO clue as to what I'm in the habit of thinking, and that's
only
> > one of a multitude of things about which you have no clue.
>
> I know what I see you write and this gives me all I need to know about
you.
You've proven again and again that you lack any all ability to ascertain
and/or follow even the simplest of logic.
You have demonstrated that you can -watch- someone mix equal parts of blue
paint and yellow paint and that this mixture turns green and not comprehend
that it'll happen this way on the first as well as the millionth time. You
keep hoping that you'll find a -different- outcome.
Your thinking is so convoluted that you will -never- understand that buying
fifty lottery tickets, each having the -exact- same series of numbers,
doesn't increase your chances of winning.
Therefore, whatever conclusions you have managed to draw are, because of the
total lack of thought you bring to the fore, wrong. These conclusions will
never be ANYTHING but wrong.
Uncle Jerry
wrote:
>I read about Ivan playing "netcop" on bubbaworld. How is this different?
>
>Gaff
Actually it's night and day different.
Consider if you will some miscreant going around pretending to be you,
issuing statements in your name, offending people and in general being
a pain in the ass and doing so without a regard to the damage they
were doing to your reputation.
Wouldn't you want to know about it?
ivan2003
Steve Henderson wrote:
After reading all the above I guess I am just lucky. <smile>
Ivan
===
Gaff
the street rods that show up at Sonic on Saturday evenings. I took pictures
of a few of them. There were some really fancy paint jobs on some. I just
took pictures of the old style cars though. I don't have enough space on my
camera to take too many pictures.
http://members.cox.net/tulsa_transplant/rodrun/rodrun.htm
Gaff
"ivan2003" <needa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3E82916E...@hotmail.com...
Steve Henderson
> > How DO you manage to fuck up everything you touch?
> >
> > On an entirely too regular a basis, you manage to post your messages as
if
> > you were already being quoted.
>
> Does what I posted bother you? have I told a fib about you netthugs?
Bother me? No.
I just can't imagine it NOT being painful to be as stupid as you are.
Fibs?
Of course. Each and every time you touch your keyboard.
Steve Henderson
> > > > > I just might warn you that some of the people you are posting with
> can
> > > try
> > > > > very hard to cause you a lot of real world trouble if they feel
you
> do
> > > not fit
> > > > > into their mold..I myself really don't worry much about what they
> try to
> > > > > do..But it's best to always becareful. <smile>
> > >
> > > How DO you manage to fuck up everything you touch?
> > >
> > > On an entirely too regular a basis, you manage to post your messages
as
> if
> > > you were already being quoted.
> >
> > Does what I posted bother you? have I told a fib about you netthugs?
>
> Steve does seem to have a problem with anyone that he doesn't agree with.
Most of the time, I simply agree to disagree, as opposed to Ivan just being
disagreeable.
Gaff
Gaff
"Steve Henderson" <etaoin...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gaff
Gaff
"Uncle Jerry" <bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5u099$up5$0...@pita.alt.net...
Steve Henderson
> > > > > > Huh? What line?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think you -can- prove yourself to be on par with Ivan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not with practice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lots and lots of practice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve, if you have a problem with me, just come out and say so. No
> > need
> > > to
> > > > > insinuate anything like this.
> > > >
> > > > No insinuation at all. I stand by what I said.
> > >
> > > Just what the hell is your problem?
> >
> > Don't have one.
> >
> > I just refuse to suffer fools gladly or in silence.
>
> You are crazy as A loon.. Are you on drugs tonight? are you drunk? Your so
> stupid you are making my point..<smile> THANKS!!
I have NOT made even the first attempt to sharpen your pin head.
Gaff
it though.
Gaff
"Uncle Jerry" <bubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5u0hn$up5$1...@pita.alt.net...
Steve Henderson
> > > I know what I see you write and this gives me all I need to know about
> > you.
> >
> > You've proven again and again that you lack any all ability to ascertain
> > and/or follow even the simplest of logic.
> >
> > You have demonstrated that you can -watch- someone mix equal parts of
blue
> > paint and yellow paint and that this mixture turns green and not
comprehend
> > that it'll happen this way on the first as well as the millionth time.
You
> > keep hoping that you'll find a -different- outcome.
> >
> > Your thinking is so convoluted that you will -never- understand that
buying
> > fifty lottery tickets, each having the -exact- same series of numbers,
> > doesn't increase your chances of winning.
> >
> > Therefore, whatever conclusions you have managed to draw are, because of
the
> > total lack of thought you bring to the fore, wrong. These conclusions
will
> > never be ANYTHING but wrong.
>
> After reading all the above I guess I am just lucky. <smile>
It must really hurt to be you.
ivan2003
Uncle Jerry wrote:
I sure would thanks for informing me about people just like you
jerrythelepper(tm).
Ivan
===
Gaff
Gaff
"Bàidh Stidean" <i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote in message
news:dc058v4fkgtc1q6ib...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 04:35:03 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >I can't see why anyone would go to that much trouble. Wouldn't it be
easier
> >just not be abusive?
>
> Mmmm..perhaps, but some see being that way as their sole raison
> d'être. Usenet can be an interesting psychological experiment
> sometimes. I actually enjoy the trolls to an extent.
ivan2003
"Bŕidh Stidean" wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 04:35:03 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>
> >I can't see why anyone would go to that much trouble. Wouldn't it be easier
> >just not be abusive?
>
> Mmmm..perhaps, but some see being that way as their sole raison
> d'ętre. Usenet can be an interesting psychological experiment
> sometimes. I actually enjoy the trolls to an extent.
Kriss you are the troll <smile>
Ivan
===
ivan2003
Gaff wrote:
> I do appreciate the warning. Those are some nice pictures. You might like
> the street rods that show up at Sonic on Saturday evenings. I took pictures
> of a few of them. There were some really fancy paint jobs on some. I just
> took pictures of the old style cars though. I don't have enough space on my
> camera to take too many pictures.
>
> http://members.cox.net/tulsa_transplant/rodrun/rodrun.htm
>
> Gaff
> I did look at your pictures and wish to thankyou for posting them. I plan on
> taking more pictures this summer..I am getting used to using digital over film
> and so far it's been great.
Ivan
===
ivan2003
Steve Henderson wrote:
I think I have a right being disagreeable with you and the rest of the
netthugs(tm)
Ivan
===
Steve Henderson
> Why don't you just skip any messages I post?
Do you get extra points for being obtuse?
At no point in time were -any- of my comments directed at -you-.
Steve Henderson
> "Bàidh Stidean" <i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote in message
> news:dc058v4fkgtc1q6ib...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 04:35:03 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
> > scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
> >
> > >I can't see why anyone would go to that much trouble. Wouldn't it be
> easier
> > >just not be abusive?
> >
> > Mmmm..perhaps, but some see being that way as their sole raison
> > d'être. Usenet can be an interesting psychological experiment
> > sometimes. I actually enjoy the trolls to an extent.
>
> How does feeding trolls make one any different than said troll?
On top of, as opposed to -under-, the bridge.
ivan2003
Gaff wrote:
> How does feeding trolls make one any different than said troll?
>
> Gaff
>
I am just making a point that they will just keep posting no matter how
stupid their answers are. Many times I don't reply.
Ivan
===
ivan2003
Steve Henderson wrote:
Hey steve why not quit while your somewhat ahead? Your losing it big time.
Ivan
===
Steve Henderson
> > Most of the time, I simply agree to disagree, as opposed to Ivan just
being
> > disagreeable.
>
> I think I have a right being disagreeable with you and the rest of the
> netthugs(tm)
No, you have the right to disagree. Disagreeable is another matter,
entirely.
Steve Henderson
> > > Why don't you just skip any messages I post?
> >
> > Do you get extra points for being obtuse?
> >
> > At no point in time were -any- of my comments directed at -you-.
>
> Hey steve why not quit while your somewhat ahead? Your losing it big time.
Not losing, lost.
Him.
victoria
Learn to understand definitions you nitwit-you are the only one here
that behaves as a troll.
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:09:22 GMT, ivan2003 <needa...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
>"Bàidh Stidean" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 04:35:03 GMT, "Gaff" <Tulsa_tr...@cox.net>
>> scribbled on the wall of the Keating Kabin:
>>
>> >I can't see why anyone would go to that much trouble. Wouldn't it be easier
>> >just not be abusive?
>>
>> Mmmm..perhaps, but some see being that way as their sole raison
>> d'être. Usenet can be an interesting psychological experiment
>> sometimes. I actually enjoy the trolls to an extent.
>
>Kriss you are the troll <smile>
>Ivan
>===
CARE TAKE!!!
Victoria
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http://www.WallofTolerance.com
"...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it.
~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools?
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Patrick Humphrey
>Why don't you just skip any messages I post?
Why don't you learn how to operate your newsreader so you don't have to read
anything he posts? (That *is* an option, you know.)
--PLH, ex-Tulsan, relocated to Houston in '65, and still here
victoria
No he is not you nitwit,he is right.None of his posts were
ever,remotely directed at Gaff.Does not take a rocket scientist to
understand that at all.If Gaff chose to read sometime not even hinted
at between the lines that is Gaff's issuenot Steve's.
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:21:12 GMT, ivan2003 <needa...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
CARE TAKE!!!
victoria
You are the one that at 64 years old has no better a vocabulary than
those words I have not heard since kindergrten that you use,you are
the one that changes identity for no damn reason,you are the one that
breaks laws,taunts like a child does,chases after under age girls and
got an EPO 2 years AFTER divorce filings.You are the one with the crap
cordoba and who still thinks avocado green is 'in',does not know how
to takes photos to save your life and does not even know English well
yet alone another language and proposes to have better photo skills
than us and be 'smarter' than me.You are the one that makes challenges
and bets that you have not the balls to hold to,You are the
worthless,pathetic lying moron with all the maturity of a 12 year
old. and by the way Ivan fish-you are the one hooked all the
time-hooked in lies and claims you can't hold.
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:18:55 GMT, ivan2003 <needa...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
CARE TAKE!!!
Uncle Jerry
<i.am.me.as...@the-walrus.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 04:10:20 GMT, ivan2003
><autosho...@hotmail.com> scribbled on the wall of the Keating
>Kabin:
>
<snip>
>>> I feel as a contractor I get paid to take the heat..take the fall..and get
>>> abused thats why I am contracting..And getting paid to take the abuse is the
>>> best part of being a contractor.
>
> Maybe you should look into getting paid to be here, might make you a
>fortune...
Hey!
Where's the C&C Warning?