Officer called hero after shooting man
E. Faubion
Ed Walker
The cop no doubt saved a life.
The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
ew
E. Faubion wrote in message <36126450...@news.okc.oklahoma.net>...
George
>This is quit amusing.
>The cop no doubt saved a life.
>The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
>it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
>end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
>which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
>this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
Hmm... So firing six shots with a pistol at a distance of 115 feet
while under a combat situation is being panicked and trigger happy?
Seems to me a panicked and trigger happy person would have emptied the
clip.
E. Faubion
>The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
>it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
>end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
>which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
>this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
Perhaps you'd have preferred the bad guy killed the girl and her mom
too?
Bottom line, it was good shooting and the good guy won. End of story.
Ed Walker
So because the guy didn't fire the final shot in his mag., he wasn't
panicked...Hmmm is this how you guys determine if one is panicked
or not?
ew
George wrote in message <36137da0...@news.supernews.com>...
>"Ed Walker" <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
>
>>This is quit amusing.
>>The cop no doubt saved a life.
>>The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
>>it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
>>end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
>>which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
>>this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
>
George
>ROTFLMAO...
>So because the guy didn't fire the final shot in his mag., he wasn't
>panicked...Hmmm is this how you guys determine if one is panicked
>or not?
>
Earl, it looks like the wiseguy has changed signon names.
Ed Walker
E. Faubion wrote in message <36128a50...@news.okc.oklahoma.net>...
>"Ed Walker" <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
>
>>The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
>>it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
>>end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
>>which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
>>this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
>
>too?
>
>Bottom line, it was good shooting and the good guy won. End of story.
>
>
>remove caps to email
>http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion
Just because he's a cop certainly doesn't mean he's a "good guy".
I wonder where the other five rounds landed.
ew
Ed Walker
George wrote in message <3612980...@news.supernews.com>...
>"Ed Walker" <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
>
>>ROTFLMAO...
>>So because the guy didn't fire the final shot in his mag., he wasn't
>>panicked...Hmmm is this how you guys determine if one is panicked
>>or not?
>>
>
>
>Earl, it looks like the wiseguy has changed signon names.
Dude...what the fuck are you talking about, put the bottle down man.
ew
E. Faubion
>Earl, it looks like the wiseguy has changed signon names.
Could be but I doubt it. That attitude is common amongst those with
a bone to pick and they do not bother me.
sz...@my-dejanews.com
efau...@oklahoma.USA.net wrote:
> http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/shart?ID=224606&TP
How utterly uncontroversial. The cops actually doing a good job, excercising
their legitimate duty in protecting life, limb and property.
Boy, I must admit I mostly only notice when the cops are doing useless
things, like bustin' potheads.
Seriously though, kudos for that police officer.
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E. Faubion
>Just because he's a cop certainly doesn't mean he's a "good guy".
This one is. I know him.
>I wonder where the other five rounds landed.
Out of harm's way.
Carl Franklin
Ed Walker wrote in message <90717994...@wagasa.cts.com>...
>This is quit amusing.
>The cop no doubt saved a life.
>it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
>end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
>which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
>this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
>
>
No . . . it's sounds like you have no experience with handguns or with
combat situations.
YOU go out and face someone with a shotgun and let's see how many rounds you
"ten ring" from 35 yards.
Just to give yourself a little practice, next time you're taking a piss
stand 10 feet away and then have your wife throw rocks at you. See just how
easy it is to his that big ol' toilet.
Carl Franklin
ca...@dustdevil.com
http://www.dustdevil.com/ppl/carlf
GHalleck
Ed Walker wrote in message <90718611...@wagasa.cts.com>...
>ROTFLMAO...
>So because the guy didn't fire the final shot in his mag., he wasn't
>panicked...Hmmm is this how you guys determine if one is panicked
>or not?
Through a totality of circumstances.
Perhaps you could tell us about the shootouts you've been involved in and
how you've achieved so much success with so little adrenaline.
GHalleck
JT Hayes
hcs...@my-dejanews.com
"JT Hayes" <nurs...@thegrid.net> wrote:
> A bolt-action 20 gauge???
>
> Sorry, I didn't read the original story, but I do know that bolt action 20 ga.
shotguns do exist.
hcs...@hotmail.com
efau...@oklahoma.USA.net wrote:
> "Ed Walker" <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
>
> >Just because he's a cop certainly doesn't mean he's a "good guy".
>
> This one is. I know him.
>
> >I wonder where the other five rounds landed.
>
> Out of harm's way.
>
hcsodet
> remove caps to email
> http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion
>
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E. Faubion
>>> I wonder where the other five rounds landed.
>> Out of harm's way.
>I know where I wish they had landed.
Where is that?
Hackman
E. Faubion wrote:
> "Ed Walker" <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
>
> >Just because he's a cop certainly doesn't mean he's a "good guy".
>
> This one is. I know him.
>
> >I wonder where the other five rounds landed.
>
> Out of harm's way.
>
you were there ? You can personelly attest to this ?
Hackman
George wrote:
> "Ed Walker" <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
>
> >This is quit amusing.
> >The cop no doubt saved a life.
> >The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
> >it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
> >end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
> >which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
> >this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
>
> Hmm... So firing six shots with a pistol at a distance of 115 feet
115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
teaching our kids...
Lets do the math together boys and girls.
35 yards...
6 Feet to a yard.
To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
NOT 115 feet.
Hackman
GHalleck wrote:
skill ?
>
> GHalleck
George
>George wrote:
>
>> "Ed Walker" <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
>>
>> >This is quit amusing.
>> >The cop no doubt saved a life.
>> >The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
>> >it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
>> >end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
>> >which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
>> >this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
>>
>> Hmm... So firing six shots with a pistol at a distance of 115 feet
>
>115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
>teaching our kids...
>
>Lets do the math together boys and girls.
>
>35 yards...
>6 Feet to a yard.
>
>To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
>
>In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
>
>NOT 115 feet.
You are correct, I erred. After years of letting spreadsheets do my
math I made the mistake of multiplying 35 x 3 in my head, coming up
with 115 instead of the correct answer, 105.
Where in the world did you get the idea that there are 6 feet in a
yard?? You better check your facts fella, then get that size 15 out
of your mouth.
Timothy Melton
Ed Walker <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
>ROTFLMAO...
>So because the guy didn't fire the final shot in his mag., he wasn't
You're making seveal bad assumptions here. First, the article stated
that the officer was using a "45-caliber service revolver", not a Colt
1911A1 as you seem to be assuming. This could have been either a
revolver in .45 ACP or .45 Colt. I suspect, however, that the guy
writing the story is confused concerning either the caliber of the
revolver or the difference betweeen a revolver and a pistol. Also,
finding a department that will allow its officers to carry a single
action auto like the 1911 is difficult these days. I doubt that the
OKCPD allows this (Earl?). Finally, most 1911s these days ship with 8
round mags as opposed to the old 7 rounders. Even with a 7 rounder,
and assuming that the officer was carrying a 1911 with a 7 round mag,
he'd have had a round chambered with the weapon cocked and locked
giving him 8 rounds to fire.
>panicked...Hmmm is this how you guys determine if one is panicked
>or not?
Well, 1/6 hit ratio at 35 yards may sound bad, but he *did* hit once
and it was sufficient to stop the bad guy. He also didn't
(apparently) hit anything else of consequence so he must have been
paying attention to what was beyond his target. Hitting a stationary
target at 50 feet in a range while not under fire is a whole different
thing than hitting an unpredictably moving target at more than twice
that distance while peoples' lives are at stake. I'm actually
surprised that he hit at all. I've heard too many accounts of cops
emptying their pistols across the hood of their patrol car and missing
the perp on the far side 20+ times. This officer is to be commended.
>>Hmm... So firing six shots with a pistol at a distance of 115 feet
>>while under a combat situation is being panicked and trigger happy?
>>Seems to me a panicked and trigger happy person would have emptied the
>>clip.
I think you mean "magazine". A clip is what's used to load an Garand.
A magazine is a spring loaded box for holding and feeding cartridges.
In any case, the article states that the weapon was a revolver, so it
would seem that, in all likelyhood, he *did* empty his weapon. Though
.45 ACP revolvers or .45 Colt SAA's should be scarce on modern PDs.
Tim
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Jerry Morgan
wrote:
<snip>
>115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
>teaching our kids...
>
Yeah, that "new math" stuff is silly.
>Lets do the math together boys and girls.
>
>35 yards...
>6 Feet to a yard.
>
However, your version for converting yards to feet is STUPID.
>To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
>
>In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
>
>NOT 115 feet.
>
How about we multiply 35 yards by 3 feet and we arrive at 105 feet?
Of course, I used the "old math" to arrive at that answer so your
milage, or footage may vary. ;-)
- - - - -
The Older I get - The better I *WAS*.
- - - - -
Timothy Melton
JT Hayes <nurs...@thegrid.net> wrote:
>A bolt-action 20 gauge???
Sure. Savage model 24F comes to mind. And there are *scads* of bolt
12 gauges. The Savage is the only 20 gauge that comes to mind in a
bolt gun.
Todd C. McFall
again, the news media makes this incident as shocking and unbelievable
as possible, with very little facts.
And like sheep, many of you automatically think that instead of saving
lives, the officer endangered all of us.
I'm sure there is also a government conspiricy to cover up the whole
thing too. In fact by speaking on this subject, I'm sure the FBI will
be by your house to "debrief" you.
(By the way, that sound you just heard, was your head coming out of your
behind)
Our police officer's put their lives on the line for us most
everyday...and for crappy pay too.
Support and defend your law enforcement personel, they may have to save
you some day!
By the Way....3 feet in a yard....you (place your own rude word here)
Oh, yeah, I saw on the news that Elvis was actually a woman, and she
stopped by the local dairy queen in OKC yesterday for a banana
blizzard. (That ought to give you something to talk about...its got to
be right)
Geez....
TODD
Ed Walker
GHalleck wrote in message <5ZzQ1.5988$D5.57...@news.inreach.com>...
>>So because the guy didn't fire the final shot in his mag., he wasn't
>>or not?
>
>
>
>
>Perhaps you could tell us about the shootouts you've been involved in and
>how you've achieved so much success with so little adrenaline.
>
>
>
No.. I don't think I can tell you about what I've been involved in.
ew
Hackman
sz...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <36126450...@news.okc.oklahoma.net>,
> efau...@oklahoma.USA.net wrote:
> > http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/shart?ID=224606&TP
> > remove caps to email
> > http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion
> >
>
> How utterly uncontroversial. The cops actually doing a good job, excercising
> their legitimate duty in protecting life, limb and property.
yes..I wonder who would notice if we post "Programmer does his job" or "Lawyer settles a
case"
> Boy, I must admit I mostly only notice when the cops are doing useless
> things, like bustin' potheads.
> Seriously though, kudos for that police officer.
>
yes....glad he and no bystanders were hurt.
TarlaStar
>Just to give yourself a little practice, next time you're taking a piss
>stand 10 feet away and then have your wife throw rocks at you. See just how
>easy it is to his that big ol' toilet.
This isn't a fair test. Most of you can't hit the damned thing when
you're perfectly calm and in a quiet room with the door closed.
*****
"Dammit, Jeb, I'm as Amish as the next fellow, but if we don't
take out that sub, there'll be no Pennsylvania to go home TO!"
--my son, Eric
*****
TarlaStar
>115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
>teaching our kids...
>Lets do the math together boys and girls.
>35 yards...
>6 Feet to a yard.
This isn't even a decent troll. Why bother?
Ed Walker
Carl Franklin wrote in message <6uuoo4$r...@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>
>Ed Walker wrote in message <90717994...@wagasa.cts.com>...
>>This is quit amusing.
>>The cop no doubt saved a life.
>>The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
>>it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
>>end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
>>which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
>>this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
>>
>>
>
>No . . . it's sounds like you have no experience with handguns or with
>combat situations.
I have more experience with handguns than you may expect.
>YOU go out and face someone with a shotgun and let's see how many rounds
you
>"ten ring" from 35 yards.
>
>Just to give yourself a little practice, next time you're taking a piss
>stand 10 feet away and then have your wife throw rocks at you. See just
how
>easy it is to his that big ol' toilet.
Look, just because the guy did his job, doesn't mean he's a hero
Admittingly, ten ringing with a .45 at 35 yards is tough( my MarkIV kicks
like mule),
but cops use the term "hero" for doing their job too loosly.
Pat the guy on the back and say " good job dude" but don't call him
a hero.
ew
E. Faubion
>This isn't a fair test. Most of you can't hit the damned thing when
>you're perfectly calm and in a quiet room with the door closed.
>*****
Bwahahahah!!!! Tarla scores!
E. Faubion
>Also, finding a department that will allow its officers to carry a single
>action auto like the 1911 is difficult these days. I doubt that the
>OKCPD allows this (Earl?).
The officer's weapon was a Sig Sauer P220 .45.
>I'm actually surprised that he hit at all.
So am I. It was indeed a tough shot.
E. Faubion
>but cops use the term "hero" for doing their job too loosly.
A cop didn't write the story. As for the officer, he doesn't consider
himself a hero, but then true heroes never do.
>Pat the guy on the back and say " good job dude" but don't call him
>a hero.
Whether you like it or not that is *exactly* what we'll call him.
Michael OKC
George expressed the following:
>Hackman <hac...@nospam.jump.net> wrote:
>
>>To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
>>
>>In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
>>
>>NOT 115 feet.
>
>You are correct, I erred. After years of letting spreadsheets do my
>math I made the mistake of multiplying 35 x 3 in my head, coming up
>with 115 instead of the correct answer, 105.
>
>Where in the world did you get the idea that there are 6 feet in a
>yard?? You better check your facts fella, then get that size 15 out
>of your mouth.
ROFLMAO! I <love> it when this happens! One would think that the severely
undereducated would have enough sense to refrain from correcting others. ;-)
Michael OKC
eas...@redriverok.com
exception to many of your statements:
1. You state that "our officers put their lives on the line for us every
day" is simply not true. Most officers go for years with never even having
to draw their weapons. Simply writting tickets and similiar low danger
duties. Why do you think the death of an officer becomes such a media event?
Because it is so rare.
2. You claim that officers recieve "crappy pay". Who do you think makes
more money an oklahoma teacher with a Bachelors or maybe even a Masters degree
or a highway patrolman with no college at all?
In article <36139753...@home.com>,
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Bud
<36137C02...@nospam.jump.net>...
>
> 115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
> teaching our kids...
>
> Lets do the math together boys and girls.
>
> 35 yards...
> 6 Feet to a yard.
>
>
> In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
>
> NOT 115 feet.
>
Jerry Morgan
>"Carl Franklin" <ca...@dustdevil.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Just to give yourself a little practice, next time you're taking a piss
>>stand 10 feet away and then have your wife throw rocks at you. See just how
>>easy it is to his that big ol' toilet.
>
>This isn't a fair test. Most of you can't hit the damned thing when
>you're perfectly calm and in a quiet room with the door closed.
>*****
Or as was stated by a couple of signs spotted in years gone by:
"Stand close boy, that ain't a Winchester you're holding."
"Our aim is to keep this place clean, your aim will help. Thanks, The
Help".
- - - - -
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep, like Grandpa.
Rather than screaming in terror, like his passengers.
GHalleck
Ed Walker wrote in message <90725738...@wagasa.cts.com>...
Why not? Surely you've acquired a breadth of experience, as you're quite
willing to critique the performance of someone else that accomplished the
mission. If he was successful under the stress of combat, at a range
greater than the average police-involved shooting and in a dynamic
situation, then you must really be hot shit to still be so negative.
My guess would be that you've been doing dynamic entries for years.....Seal
team six? SAS? Come on Uncle ED!!! Just one story!!! Hahahaha.
GHalleck
GHalleck
Hackman wrote in message <36137E6D...@nospam.jump.net>...
>
>
>GHalleck wrote:
>
>> Ed Walker wrote in message <90718611...@wagasa.cts.com>...
>> >ROTFLMAO...
>> >So because the guy didn't fire the final shot in his mag., he wasn't
>> >panicked...Hmmm is this how you guys determine if one is panicked
>> >or not?
>>
>> Through a totality of circumstances.
>>
>> Perhaps you could tell us about the shootouts you've been involved in and
>> how you've achieved so much success with so little adrenaline.
>>
>
>
Yeah....hopefully he figured out that 35 yards is 105 feet, as opposed to
210 and held the sights in the right spot!!! BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Idiot!!!
Go do some "builds" computer boy!!!
GHalleck
Ed Walker
GHalleck wrote in message ...
<snip>
>Why not? Surely you've acquired a breadth of experience, as you're quite
>willing to critique the performance of someone else that accomplished the
>mission. If he was successful under the stress of combat, at a range
>greater than the average police-involved shooting and in a dynamic
>situation, then you must really be hot shit to still be so negative.
>
>My guess would be that you've been doing dynamic entries for years.....Seal
>team six? SAS? Come on Uncle ED!!! Just one story!!! Hahahaha.
>
>GHalleck
>
>
I'll concede it was a critical situation, but not him being a hero.
ew
Joseph Goodwin
Ed Walker wrote in message <6v1cf0$nes$1...@nnrp1.snfc21.pbi.net>...
>>My guess would be that you've been doing dynamic entries for
years.....Seal
>>team six? SAS? Come on Uncle ED!!! Just one story!!! Hahahaha.
>>
>>GHalleck
>>
>>
>Can't do it...I'd be jeapordizing others, as well as incriminating myself.
>I'll concede it was a critical situation, but not him being a hero.
>
You forgot to say, "I could tell ya', but then I'd hafta kill ya'..."
Carl Franklin
Ed Walker
>>
>>No . . . it's sounds like you have no experience with handguns or with
>>combat situations.
>
>I have more experience with handguns than you may expect.
>
Well . . . based on your comment I'd suspect you have zero experience. And
if you do have any experience it sure as hell ain't under combat conditions.
Now . . .if you've shot anyone, under combat conditions, then let's hear
about it.
Send it private e-mail if you must. Personally, I have (twice) and I can
tell you that
hitting an armed and moving target at 35 yards with 1 out of 6 shots is
pretty
respectable.
>Look, just because the guy did his job, doesn't mean he's a hero
>Admittingly, ten ringing with a .45 at 35 yards is tough( my MarkIV kicks
>like mule),
>but cops use the term "hero" for doing their job too loosly.
First off . . . I belive it was the newspaper that called the officer a
hero.
Second . . . saving someone's life don't make you a hero?
Hmmmm . . . just what is your definition of a hero?
If preventing two innocent people from being killed don't qualify the man
then I don't know what will.
I can't wait to hear what you say has to be done to be called a hero.
Obviously your vast experience in handling dangerous (hell . . . deadly)
situations qualifies you to define the term hero. For my money, anytime
someone saves another person's life - regardless of how it was done - that
makes the person a hero.
Carl Franklin
ca...@dustdevil.com
http://www.dustdevil.com/ppl/carlf
Carl Franklin
Hackman wrote
>115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
>teaching our kids...
>
>Lets do the math together boys and girls.
>
>35 yards...
>6 Feet to a yard.
>
>To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
>
>In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
>
>NOT 115 feet.
>
ROTFL!!!!!!
Good one, Hackman!!!!
I hate to tell you this, but there are only 3 feet in a yard.
So . . . that'd be 35 x 3 or 105 feet
Now . . . if you don't believe me go get a yard stick. That's the one
standing in the corner that has 36 inches in it. Y'know, the one where 12
inches make 1 foot. Therefore . . .
Oh well . . . you do the math.
KatmanDu!
wrote:
>35 yards...
>6 Feet to a yard.
*6* feet to a yard?
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E. Faubion wrote:
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remove caps to email
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In spite of the way this thread's been going, I still don't know
what the point of your original post is.
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E. Faubion
>> http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/shart?ID=224606&TP
>In spite of the way this thread's been going, I still don't know what
>the point of your original post is.
To allow readers to see a story they otherwise might miss. And it
seems to have worked.
eas...@redriverok.com
"Ed Walker" <Yme...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> GHalleck wrote in message ...
> <snip>
> >Why not? Surely you've acquired a breadth of experience, as you're quite
> >willing to critique the performance of someone else that accomplished the
> >mission. If he was successful under the stress of combat, at a range
> >greater than the average police-involved shooting and in a dynamic
> >situation, then you must really be hot shit to still be so negative.
> >
> >team six? SAS? Come on Uncle ED!!! Just one story!!! Hahahaha.
> >
> >GHalleck
> >
> >
> Can't do it...I'd be jeapordizing others, as well as incriminating myself.
> I'll concede it was a critical situation, but not him being a hero.
>
I have avoided jumping into this one, but now I have to. Mr. EW you are full
of it. Had you been in SWAT, Special Forces, Recon Marines, Rangers, SEALS,
Airforce Combat Controller, etc you could tell people without endangering
anyone or incriminating yourself. You are simply trying to puff up your own
ego. Get a grip. '-Chuck Easttom
Hackman
Bud wrote:
> Hackman <hac...@nospam.jump.net> wrote in article
> <36137C02...@nospam.jump.net>...
> >
> > 115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
> > teaching our kids...
> >
> > Lets do the math together boys and girls.
> >
> > 35 yards...
> > 6 Feet to a yard.
> >
> > To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
> >
> > In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
> >
> > NOT 115 feet.
> >
> Gee, my yardstick must be broke. It only shows 3 feet in a yard.
shit...your right! Damn fathoms...just too damn much time at sea!
Muuu...wouldn't it be 105 and not 110 still ?
Thanks!
Hackman
Carl Franklin wrote:
> Hackman wrote
>
> >115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
> >teaching our kids...
> >
> >Lets do the math together boys and girls.
> >
> >35 yards...
> >6 Feet to a yard.
> >
> >To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
> >
> >In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
> >
> >NOT 115 feet.
> >
>
> ROTFL!!!!!!
>
> Good one, Hackman!!!!
>
damn english mesurment system...your right!
I did the math in my head and say that the 115 was incorrect..but then when
writting it out...I blew the math! Shit....freaking fathoms! Too damn much
tiome at sea!
>
> I hate to tell you this, but there are only 3 feet in a yard.
>
> So . . . that'd be 35 x 3 or 105 feet
>
> Now . . . if you don't believe me go get a yard stick. That's the one
> standing in the corner that has 36 inches in it. Y'know, the one where 12
> inches make 1 foot. Therefore . . .
>
> Oh well . . . you do the math.
>
hahahaha.
Hackman
the pther post....
George wrote:
> Hackman <hac...@nospam.jump.net> wrote:
>
> >George wrote:
> >
> >> "Ed Walker" <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >This is quit amusing.
> >> >The cop no doubt saved a life.
> >> >The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
> >> >it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
> >> >end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
> >> >which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
> >> >this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
> >>
> >> Hmm... So firing six shots with a pistol at a distance of 115 feet
> >
> >115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
> >teaching our kids...
> >
> >Lets do the math together boys and girls.
> >
> >35 yards...
> >6 Feet to a yard.
> >
> >To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
> >
> >In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
> >
> >NOT 115 feet.
>
Hackman
KatmanDu! wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:56:34 -0500, Hackman <hac...@nospam.jump.net>
> wrote:
>
> >35 yards...
> >6 Feet to a yard.
>
> *6* feet to a yard?
>
well..it was a bad day...8;)
Hackman
Jerry Morgan wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:56:34 -0500, Hackman <hac...@nospam.jump.net>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
> >teaching our kids...
> >
>
> Yeah, that "new math" stuff is silly.
>
> >Lets do the math together boys and girls.
> >
> >35 yards...
> >6 Feet to a yard.
> >
>
> However, your version for converting yards to feet is STUPID.
>
yeah...open mouth insert size 6 foot...8;)
>
> >To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
> >
> >In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
> >
> >NOT 115 feet.
> >
>
> How about we multiply 35 yards by 3 feet and we arrive at 105 feet?
>
> Of course, I used the "old math" to arrive at that answer so your
> milage, or footage may vary. ;-)
>
> - - - - -
> The Older I get - The better I *WAS*.
Hackman
Michael A. Clem wrote:
>
>
> E. Faubion wrote:
>
>> http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/shart?ID=224606&TP
>> remove caps to email
>> http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion
>
>
> In spite of the way this thread's been going, I still don't know what
> the point of your original post is.
>
Earl gets upset with all the negitive post about cops..so when he finds
a positive one..he post it...thats why you haven't seen this before...it
takes him awhile to find such an article!
>
>
> --Mike Clem
> -----------
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
Todd C. McFall
But if you have ever had to walk up to a window tinted vehicle in the
middle of the night (simply to write a ticket), not knowing whats
inside...(could be my mom or a gang of L.A. wannabes)...show me how a
master degree will make that situation better.
Each time an auto is stopped for a minor violation...that could be the
last day that officer gets to hug his kids. Think about that!
I think people who do that have: "Balls as big as church bells" and
deserve our respect.
TODD
Timothy Melton
E. Faubion <efau...@oklahoma.USA.net> wrote:
>t...@quest1.questconsult.com (Timothy Melton) wrote:
>
>>Also, finding a department that will allow its officers to carry a single
>>action auto like the 1911 is difficult these days. I doubt that the
>>OKCPD allows this (Earl?).
>
>The officer's weapon was a Sig Sauer P220 .45.
Sweet gun. I guess I don't have to wait for my sheriff's dpt. friend
to get back to me on that one now. So he clearly didn't empty the
mag. Just goes to show you how much credence you can give reporters
;-) Oh, and for those who are interested, it *was* a bolt shotgun.
>>I'm actually surprised that he hit at all.
>
>So am I. It was indeed a tough shot.
Well, not easy under the best of circumstances, but after just seeing
the guy shoot a woman with a shotgun...
Yea he was just doing his job. But a cop's job *is* to be a hero if
you think about it.
Tim
--
Tim Melton t...@questconsult.com
Quest Consultants Inc. http://www.questconsult.com/~tam
P.O. Box 721387 (405) 329-7475
Norman, OK 73070-8069 Fax: (405) 329-7734
Timothy Melton
>While I agree that blind acceptance of media reports is an error, I must take
>exception to many of your statements:
>
> 1. You state that "our officers put their lives on the line for us every
>day" is simply not true. Most officers go for years with never even having
>to draw their weapons. Simply writting tickets and similiar low danger
Yes and no. Their lives are *potentially* on the line all the time.
That "low danger" ticket they're about to write may be their last.
Their job is to try to protect the public from the bad guys. By
definition they are always in the line of fire. In theory, at least.
>duties. Why do you think the death of an officer becomes such a media event?
> Because it is so rare.
True. But it does not lessen the potential danger an officer faces at
every turn and with every traffic stop.
> 2. You claim that officers recieve "crappy pay". Who do you think makes
>more money an oklahoma teacher with a Bachelors or maybe even a Masters degree
>or a highway patrolman with no college at all?
Last time I checked, most agencies required 30 hours of college or
more. In any case, comparing the salary of LEOs with the lowest
paying job around is not really good measure of the sufficiency of
their salary. With the same amount of schooling as a teacher (i.e. a
Bachelor's) a ChE can expect to pull down a hair over $40k his first
year out of school. While I agree that public school teachers are
sorely underpaid (my father was a HS math teacher), your comparison of
their salaries with those of LEOs is irrelevant. Just because
teachers receive crappier pay than LEOs does not negate the fact that,
considering the potential dangers they face, LEOs receive crappy pay.
MHO,
Ed Walker
eas...@redriverok.com wrote in message <6v2isf$19h$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>I have avoided jumping into this one, but now I have to. Mr. EW you are
full
>of it. Had you been in SWAT, Special Forces, Recon Marines, Rangers, SEALS,
>Airforce Combat Controller, etc you could tell people without endangering
>anyone or incriminating yourself. You are simply trying to puff up your
own
>ego. Get a grip. '-Chuck Easttom
>
any SWAT, seal, Rangers or anything of the kind. Since you feel the need to
jump in now, why don't you find a post where I've said that I've been on a
team
like those. Unfortunately, most the experiences I've had with weapons and
"combat sittuations" have been in the illegal capacity. (ie. the law don't
know
about them asshole). I probably could tell ya some things without
endangering
someone other than myself, but I would definitely be causing problems for
me.
So you can take your suggestion of "ego puffing" and cram it...
I will tell ya this since I've mentioned it before, I'm a retired smuggler,
and yes,
I've seen plenty and done some pretty fucked up things to further my own
agenda.
I'm certain you LEOs would not take to kindly to knowing what I've gotten
away with.
You macho assholes think your the only people that know anything about
survival
at critical moments...Bullshit!
Hackman
eas...@redriverok.com wrote:
> In article <6v1cf0$nes$1...@nnrp1.snfc21.pbi.net>,
> "Ed Walker" <Yme...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > GHalleck wrote in message ...
> > <snip>
> > >Why not? Surely you've acquired a breadth of experience, as you're quite
> > >willing to critique the performance of someone else that accomplished the
> > >mission. If he was successful under the stress of combat, at a range
> > >greater than the average police-involved shooting and in a dynamic
> > >situation, then you must really be hot shit to still be so negative.
> > >
> > >My guess would be that you've been doing dynamic entries for years.....Seal
> > >team six? SAS? Come on Uncle ED!!! Just one story!!! Hahahaha.
> > >
> > >GHalleck
> > >
> > >
> > Can't do it...I'd be jeapordizing others, as well as incriminating myself.
> > I'll concede it was a critical situation, but not him being a hero.
> >
> > ew
>
> I have avoided jumping into this one, but now I have to. Mr. EW you are full
> of it. Had you been in SWAT, Special Forces, Recon Marines, Rangers, SEALS,
> Airforce Combat Controller, etc you could tell people without endangering
> anyone or incriminating yourself. You are simply trying to puff up your own
> ego. Get a grip. '-Chuck Easttom
>
hell, amybe he's a crack dealer, and in that case, he most likely hass been in
more shoot outs than most cops!!!!
8;)
Todd C. McFall
>
> eas...@redriverok.com wrote in message <6v2isf$19h$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >
> full
> >of it. Had you been in SWAT, Special Forces, Recon Marines, Rangers, SEALS,
> >Airforce Combat Controller, etc you could tell people without endangering
> >anyone or incriminating yourself. You are simply trying to puff up your
> own
> >ego. Get a grip. '-Chuck Easttom
> >
> any SWAT, seal, Rangers or anything of the kind. Since you feel the need to
> jump in now, why don't you find a post where I've said that I've been on a
> team
> like those. Unfortunately, most the experiences I've had with weapons and
> "combat sittuations" have been in the illegal capacity. (ie. the law don't
> know
> about them asshole). I probably could tell ya some things without
> endangering
> someone other than myself, but I would definitely be causing problems for
> me.
> So you can take your suggestion of "ego puffing" and cram it...
> I will tell ya this since I've mentioned it before, I'm a retired smuggler,
> and yes,
> I've seen plenty and done some pretty fucked up things to further my own
> agenda.
> I'm certain you LEOs would not take to kindly to knowing what I've gotten
> away with.
> You macho assholes think your the only people that know anything about
> survival
> at critical moments...Bullshit!
I just figured it out! ED is the "real" Jessie James! I knew that was
not his body buried up north.
If guns were outlawed, would you still have a gun... Ed?
And why is it that criminals use such bad language? HMM...
E. Faubion
>You macho assholes think your the only people that know anything about
>survival at critical moments...Bullshit!
It's very clear that you don't.
eas...@redriverok.com
pay.. You should also note that there are guys lining up to be police
officers. It is a tremendous ego trip.
As to understanding danger, when I was at OU I supported myself by bouncing
at the Silver Dollar, Red Dog, and Blue Moon, and guess what I did not have a
badge or gun, and I could not call for back up. I think I have some idea of
what policemen put up with. And most of them (like most bouncers) love the
rush and the ego trip.
tmc...@home.com wrote:
> OK, your right there. Officers lives may not endangered "every day".
> But if you have ever had to walk up to a window tinted vehicle in the
> middle of the night (simply to write a ticket), not knowing whats
> inside...(could be my mom or a gang of L.A. wannabes)...show me how a
> master degree will make that situation better.
>
> Each time an auto is stopped for a minor violation...that could be the
> last day that officer gets to hug his kids. Think about that!
>
> I think people who do that have: "Balls as big as church bells" and
> deserve our respect.
>
> TODD
>
> eas...@redriverok.com wrote:
> >
> > While I agree that blind acceptance of media reports is an error, I must
take
> > exception to many of your statements:
> >
> > 1. You state that "our officers put their lives on the line for us every
> > day" is simply not true. Most officers go for years with never even having
> > to draw their weapons. Simply writting tickets and similiar low danger
> > duties. Why do you think the death of an officer becomes such a media
event?
> > Because it is so rare.
> >
> > 2. You claim that officers recieve "crappy pay". Who do you think makes
> > more money an oklahoma teacher with a Bachelors or maybe even a Masters
degree
> > or a highway patrolman with no college at all?
> >
> > In article <36139753...@home.com>,
> > tmc...@home.com wrote:
> > > Here we go...well the news person said it, so it must be true. Once
> > > again, the news media makes this incident as shocking and unbelievable
> > > as possible, with very little facts.
> > >
> > > And like sheep, many of you automatically think that instead of saving
> > > lives, the officer endangered all of us.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there is also a government conspiricy to cover up the whole
> > > thing too. In fact by speaking on this subject, I'm sure the FBI will
> > > be by your house to "debrief" you.
> > >
> > > (By the way, that sound you just heard, was your head coming out of your
> > > behind)
> > >
> > > Our police officer's put their lives on the line for us most
> > > everyday...and for crappy pay too.
> > >
> > > Support and defend your law enforcement personel, they may have to save
> > > you some day!
> > >
> > > By the Way....3 feet in a yard....you (place your own rude word here)
> > >
> > > Oh, yeah, I saw on the news that Elvis was actually a woman, and she
> > > stopped by the local dairy queen in OKC yesterday for a banana
> > > blizzard. (That ought to give you something to talk about...its got to
> > > be right)
> > >
> > > Geez....
> > >
> > > TODD
> > >
> >
eas...@redriverok.com
t...@quest1.questconsult.com (Timothy Melton) wrote:
> In article <6v0oa4$jsc$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <eas...@redriverok.com> wrote:
> >While I agree that blind acceptance of media reports is an error, I must take
> >exception to many of your statements:
> >
> > 1. You state that "our officers put their lives on the line for us every
> >day" is simply not true. Most officers go for years with never even having
> >to draw their weapons. Simply writting tickets and similiar low danger
>
> That "low danger" ticket they're about to write may be their last.
> Their job is to try to protect the public from the bad guys. By
> definition they are always in the line of fire. In theory, at least.
Guess what we are all potentially in danger every single day. Will a drunk
driver run be over today? I wonder if the 7-11 will get robbed while I am
there?etc. etc. etc.
>
> >duties. Why do you think the death of an officer becomes such a media event?
> > Because it is so rare.
>
> True. But it does not lessen the potential danger an officer faces at
> every turn and with every traffic stop.
>
Statistically speaking he or she is not facing that large a probability of
life threatening danger.
> > 2. You claim that officers recieve "crappy pay". Who do you think makes
> >more money an oklahoma teacher with a Bachelors or maybe even a Masters
degree
> >or a highway patrolman with no college at all?
>
> Last time I checked, most agencies required 30 hours of college or
> more. In any case, comparing the salary of LEOs with the lowest
> paying job around is not really good measure of the sufficiency of
> their salary. With the same amount of schooling as a teacher (i.e. a
> Bachelor's) a ChE can expect to pull down a hair over $40k his first
> year out of school. While I agree that public school teachers are
> sorely underpaid (my father was a HS math teacher), your comparison of
> their salaries with those of LEOs is irrelevant. Just because
> teachers receive crappier pay than LEOs does not negate the fact that,
> considering the potential dangers they face, LEOs receive crappy pay.
>
> MHO,
My point is simple: Police officers do recieve adequate pay. Most of them
enjoy the ego trip and the occaisional adreneline rush. More and more
officers are really getting into the para military look and more incidents of
police abuse are comming to light all the time. Before we put these men on
some pedastal perhaps we should look a bit closer.
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Melton t...@questconsult.com
> Quest Consultants Inc. http://www.questconsult.com/~tam
> P.O. Box 721387 (405) 329-7475
> Norman, OK 73070-8069 Fax: (405) 329-7734
>
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Palsgraf
> Can't do it...I'd be jeapordizing others, as well as incriminating myself.
> I'll concede it was a critical situation, but not him being a hero.
>
> ew
"When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are.." Just keep
on dreaming, basher boy. First off, if you are currently active in that
area you would not be mentioning it at all and second, if you were
performing such ops for the government then there is no incrimination to
begin with. Or is this where you tell us you worked for the "company"
doing wet work in South America during the Nixon administration?
Palsgraf
<ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
> I will tell ya this since I've mentioned it before, I'm a retired smuggler,
> and yes,
> I've seen plenty and done some pretty fucked up things to further my own
> agenda.
> I'm certain you LEOs would not take to kindly to knowing what I've gotten
> away with.
> You macho assholes think your the only people that know anything about
> survival
> at critical moments...Bullshit!
Hahhaahahahahahah. ROTFLMAO Haahaahahaha.
Oh, good one. Man you have got to stop reading those cheap novels and get
a grip on reality. Hhahahahhahaha. Retired smuggler! hahahahahaha. And
how does one become a retired smuggler? Must of had one hell of a 401K
plan. hahahahahahaa
I can't take this. Made my day!
Palsgraf
<ca...@dustdevil.com> wrote:
>
> Just to give yourself a little practice, next time you're taking a piss
> stand 10 feet away and then have your wife throw rocks at you. See just how
> easy it is to his that big ol' toilet.
>
> Carl Franklin
That is great! I don't think I have ever heard it put so well.
eas...@redriverok.com
> >
> >I have avoided jumping into this one, but now I have to. Mr. EW you are
> full
> >of it. Had you been in SWAT, Special Forces, Recon Marines, Rangers, SEALS,
> >Airforce Combat Controller, etc you could tell people without endangering
> >anyone or incriminating yourself. You are simply trying to puff up your
> own
> >ego. Get a grip. '-Chuck Easttom
> >
> Guess what chuck, not once have I said I was/have been/or ever want to be on
> any SWAT, seal, Rangers or anything of the kind. Since you feel the need to
> jump in now, why don't you find a post where I've said that I've been on a
> team
> like those. Unfortunately, most the experiences I've had with weapons and
> "combat sittuations" have been in the illegal capacity. (ie. the law don't
> know
> about them asshole). I probably could tell ya some things without
> endangering
> someone other than myself, but I would definitely be causing problems for
> me.
> So you can take your suggestion of "ego puffing" and cram it...
> and yes,
> I've seen plenty and done some pretty fucked up things to further my own
> agenda.
> I'm certain you LEOs would not take to kindly to knowing what I've gotten
> away with.
> You macho assholes think your the only people that know anything about
> survival
> at critical moments...Bullshit!
I am not the one talking macho crap, I work for a University, nothing very
macho. I am simply stating that this "I had a secret tough and exciting life
" stuff is just ego puffing. Either put up evidence to support your claims
or do not make them.
Ed Walker
Palsgraf wrote in message ...
>In article <90734100...@wagasa.cts.com>, "Ed Walker"
><ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
>
>> I will tell ya this since I've mentioned it before, I'm a retired
smuggler,
>> and yes,
>> I've seen plenty and done some pretty fucked up things to further my own
>> agenda.
>> I'm certain you LEOs would not take to kindly to knowing what I've gotten
>> away with.
>> You macho assholes think your the only people that know anything about
>> survival
>> at critical moments...Bullshit!
>
>
>Oh, good one. Man you have got to stop reading those cheap novels and get
>a grip on reality. Hhahahahhahaha. Retired smuggler! hahahahahaha. And
>how does one become a retired smuggler? Must of had one hell of a 401K
>plan. hahahahahahaa
>
>I can't take this. Made my day!
Good
Now if you like, you can use your police power to look for my name in
the registered drug offenders database and you will see that I'm telling
the truth. Not that I care if you believe me or not though. I really don't.
*retired* pertains to the fact I no longer smuggle, no 401k in that
business.
Sounds like you guys are a little troubled by the fact that I'm no longer in
jail
hahahaha( my turn to laugh). I have every right to question the work of a
public
servant...like it or not.
Ed Walker
Palsgraf wrote in message ...
No...
never said I worked for the government, just myself.
And your right, i'm not currently active in that area.
"basher boy" perhaps..I prefer to look at it like the art of antagonizing
cops.
I've given up on the idea that cops are just doing their job, now i'm here
just to piss you off.
Ed Walker
Hackman wrote in message <3614EDD5...@nospam.jump.net>...
>
>
>eas...@redriverok.com wrote:
>
>> In article <6v1cf0$nes$1...@nnrp1.snfc21.pbi.net>,
>> "Ed Walker" <Yme...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> > >Why not? Surely you've acquired a breadth of experience, as you're
quite
>> > >willing to critique the performance of someone else that accomplished
the
>> > >mission. If he was successful under the stress of combat, at a range
>> > >greater than the average police-involved shooting and in a dynamic
>> > >situation, then you must really be hot shit to still be so negative.
>> > >
>> > >My guess would be that you've been doing dynamic entries for
years.....Seal
>> > >team six? SAS? Come on Uncle ED!!! Just one story!!! Hahahaha.
>> > >
>> > >GHalleck
>> > >
>> > >
myself.
>> > I'll concede it was a critical situation, but not him being a hero.
>> >
>> > ew
>>
full
>> of it. Had you been in SWAT, Special Forces, Recon Marines, Rangers,
SEALS,
>> Airforce Combat Controller, etc you could tell people without endangering
>> anyone or incriminating yourself. You are simply trying to puff up your
own
>> ego. Get a grip. '-Chuck Easttom
>>
>
in
>more shoot outs than most cops!!!!
>
Never been in a shoot out with a *cop*
Had to protect my lilly white ass from rival* intrepenuers* though.
I have every right to question a cop as a citizen.
And aren't you the one that promotes acid and LSD usage?
Fucking fruitloop yourself.
Ed Walker
GHalleck wrote in message ...
>
>>
>>
>>GHalleck wrote:
>>
>>> Ed Walker wrote in message <90718611...@wagasa.cts.com>...
>>> >ROTFLMAO...
>>> >So because the guy didn't fire the final shot in his mag., he wasn't
>>> >panicked...Hmmm is this how you guys determine if one is panicked
>>> >or not?
>>>
>>> Through a totality of circumstances.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could tell us about the shootouts you've been involved in
and
>>> how you've achieved so much success with so little adrenaline.
>>>
>>
>>skill ?
>>
>
> Yeah....hopefully he figured out that 35 yards is 105 feet, as opposed to
>210 and held the sights in the right spot!!! BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Idiot!!!
>Go do some "builds" computer boy!!!
>
>
>GHalleck
Uhmm Mr. Halleck
I did not make that calculation, it was a cop that did it.
So you just called your fellow officer an idiot..
I love it.
>
>
Ed Walker
eas...@redriverok.com wrote in message <6v39b9$4is$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> full
>> >of it. Had you been in SWAT, Special Forces, Recon Marines, Rangers,
SEALS,
>> >Airforce Combat Controller, etc you could tell people without
endangering
>> >anyone or incriminating yourself. You are simply trying to puff up your
>> own
>> >ego. Get a grip. '-Chuck Easttom
>> >
on
>> any SWAT, seal, Rangers or anything of the kind. Since you feel the need
to
>> jump in now, why don't you find a post where I've said that I've been on
a
>> team
>> like those. Unfortunately, most the experiences I've had with weapons and
>> "combat sittuations" have been in the illegal capacity. (ie. the law
don't
>> know
>> about them asshole). I probably could tell ya some things without
>> endangering
>> someone other than myself, but I would definitely be causing problems for
>> me.
>> So you can take your suggestion of "ego puffing" and cram it...
smuggler,
>> and yes,
>> I've seen plenty and done some pretty fucked up things to further my own
>> agenda.
>> I'm certain you LEOs would not take to kindly to knowing what I've gotten
>> away with.
>> You macho assholes think your the only people that know anything about
>> survival
>> at critical moments...Bullshit!
>
>
>macho. I am simply stating that this "I had a secret tough and exciting
life
>" stuff is just ego puffing. Either put up evidence to support your claims
>or do not make them.
Perhaps it is your ego that does not allow you to believe anything someone
like me tells you. Even if I put up some eveidence you would discount it, i
know
your type well. I sure in the hell won't post something I've done that I
haven't been
tried and convicted for. That would be quite foolish don't you think? Also,
I don't need
to put up any evidence of my *opinion* which is what all this stems from.
You all
don't like what I have to say, so you do your damnest to discredit me,
typical.
E. Faubion
>My point is simple: Police officers do recieve adequate pay.
Which must explain why most of them moonlight to make ends meet. :)
E. Faubion
>Uhmm Mr. Halleck
>I did not make that calculation, it was a cop that did it.
>So you just called your fellow officer an idiot..
On the contrary, it was a cop basher who did it.
>I love it.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
GHalleck
Ed Walker wrote in message <90735602...@wagasa.cts.com>...
>
>Palsgraf wrote in message ...
>><Yme...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Can't do it...I'd be jeapordizing others, as well as incriminating
>myself.
>>> I'll concede it was a critical situation, but not him being a hero.
>>>
>>> ew
>>
>>on dreaming, basher boy. First off, if you are currently active in that
>>area you would not be mentioning it at all and second, if you were
>>performing such ops for the government then there is no incrimination to
>>begin with. Or is this where you tell us you worked for the "company"
>>doing wet work in South America during the Nixon administration?
>
>No...
>never said I worked for the government, just myself.
>And your right, i'm not currently active in that area.
>"basher boy" perhaps..I prefer to look at it like the art of antagonizing
>cops.
Precisely.....You know dick and have done even less. You are a small gnat,
buzzing to be easily swatted away. :) You started as the "black ops" guy
and in a few posts, have been laughed down to what you are. That done, even
your annoyance potential is nil....you are amusement at best. The
difference between you and a good troll is that the good troll might have
fooled 2 people in the NG!! HAHAHAHA!!!
>I've given up on the idea that cops are just doing their job, now i'm here
>just to piss you off.
>
Good luck!!! Bet I can out do you, even if you don't admit it.......
GHalleck
GHalleck
Hackman wrote in message <3614CE37...@nospam.jump.net>...
>
>
>Michael A. Clem wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> E. Faubion wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/shart?ID=224606&TP
>>> remove caps to email
>>> http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion
>>
>>
>> In spite of the way this thread's been going, I still don't know what
>> the point of your original post is.
>>
>
>Earl gets upset with all the negitive post about cops..so when he finds
>a positive one..he post it...thats why you haven't seen this before...it
>takes him awhile to find such an article!
Yeah! Nobody said you could get up yet!! Keep your neck under that boot
where it belongs!! Now, how many feet in a yard!? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
Yeah everybody........PIG PILE!!!!!!
GHalleck
Joseph Goodwin
>Perhaps it is your ego that does not allow you to believe anything someone
>like me tells you. Even if I put up some eveidence you would discount it, i
>know
>your type well. I sure in the hell won't post something I've done that I
>haven't been
>tried and convicted for. That would be quite foolish don't you think?
(the rest was snipped)
Well, I must admit that the word "foolish" did cross my mind once or twice
when I read your post... :)
Wayne C. Leake
hcs...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <EVBQ1.359$y34.1...@twinkie.callamer.com>,
> "JT Hayes" <nurs...@thegrid.net> wrote:
> > A bolt-action 20 gauge???
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't read the original story, but I do know that bolt action 20 ga.
> shotguns do exist.
>
>
Many years ago, I had a 12 gauge bolt action shotgun.
I've only seen a few of them around.
--
Wayne AKA Blackie!
http://members.spree.com/blackie/calif.htm
Wayne C. Leake
Hackman wrote:
> George wrote:
>
> > "Ed Walker" <ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
> >
> > >This is quit amusing.
> > >The cop no doubt saved a life.
> > >The amusing part is that the article reports someone saying
> > >it was quit a good shot from 35 yards with a .45, but at the
> > >end of the article we find out he fired six shots, only one of
> > >which hit it's mark....gooood shooting dude. Sounds more like
> > >this "hero" panicked and went trigger happy.
> >
> > Hmm... So firing six shots with a pistol at a distance of 115 feet
>
> 115 feet ? Damn...guess just another example of that new math they are
> teaching our kids...
>
> Lets do the math together boys and girls.
>
> 35 yards...
> 6 Feet to a yard.
>
duhh, since when did they change the yard from three feet? <G> ...
> To find number of feet in a total number of yards, we multiply.
>
> In this case, we multiply 35 yards by 6 feet and we arrive at 210 feet.
>
> NOT 115 feet.
>
> >
> > while under a combat situation is being panicked and trigger happy?
> > Seems to me a panicked and trigger happy person would have emptied the
> > clip.
eas...@redriverok.com
> like me tells you. Even if I put up some eveidence you would discount it, i
> know
> your type well. I sure in the hell won't post something I've done that I
> haven't been
> I don't need
> to put up any evidence of my *opinion* which is what all this stems from.
> You all
> don't like what I have to say, so you do your damnest to discredit me,
> typical.
>
Since this is the first time I have ever exchanged with you how can you
assert that I would "do anything to discredit you". The most likely scenario
here is that you have some small grain of truth in your story and have blown
it way out of proportion. You see lots of us have interesting pasts. I was
in the 7th light infantry division (5/21 and 2/27) Ft. Ord from 1987 to Jan
1991 with an honorable discharge. I also worked as a bouncer when I attended
OU (Silver Dollar Saloon on Sooner road in 1995 and Blue Moon Caberet in
Valley Brook in 1996). But I don't attempt to mislead people by claiming
some fantastic action packed background. I also am quite willing to supply
locations and dates so that anyone can verify my story.
Chuck Easttom
eas...@redriverok.com
"Ed Walker" <Yme...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Palsgraf wrote in message ...
> >In article <90734100...@wagasa.cts.com>, "Ed Walker"
> ><ed...@autodataservices.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I will tell ya this since I've mentioned it before, I'm a retired
> smuggler,
> >> and yes,
> >> I've seen plenty and done some pretty fucked up things to further my own
> >> agenda.
> >> I'm certain you LEOs would not take to kindly to knowing what I've gotten
> >> away with.
> >> You macho assholes think your the only people that know anything about
> >> survival
> >> at critical moments...Bullshit!
> >
> >
> >Oh, good one. Man you have got to stop reading those cheap novels and get
> >a grip on reality. Hhahahahhahaha. Retired smuggler! hahahahahaha. And
> >how does one become a retired smuggler? Must of had one hell of a 401K
> >plan. hahahahahahaa
> >
> >I can't take this. Made my day!
>
> Good
> Now if you like, you can use your police power to look for my name in
> the registered drug offenders database and you will see that I'm telling
> the truth. Not that I care if you believe me or not though. I really don't.
> *retired* pertains to the fact I no longer smuggle, no 401k in that
> business.
> Sounds like you guys are a little troubled by the fact that I'm no longer in
> jail
> hahahaha( my turn to laugh). I have every right to question the work of a
> public
> servant...like it or not.
>
>
Being a former two bit dope dealer who got caught is not quite as glamorous as
calling yourself a "retired smuggler" is it??
eas...@redriverok.com
OK how about you post average pay for an OKC patrolman? Or highway
patrolman?? Tell us what you consider inadequate?
E. Faubion
>OK how about you post average pay for an OKC patrolman? Or highway
>patrolman??
You don't know what it is yet you call it adequate?
>Tell us what you consider inadequate?
Your argument.
eas...@redriverok.com
I do have a rough idea of pay for officers in Bryan County and the OKC Highway
patrol. It is higher than teachers, for example. But since you are certain
that they are so underpaid that they cannot support their families, I thought
you might have more exact numbers.
Chuck Easttom
Timothy Melton
>Guess what we are all potentially in danger every single day. Will a drunk
>driver run be over today? I wonder if the 7-11 will get robbed while I am
>there?etc. etc. etc.
Oh P-U-LEASE! When was the last time you went to a domestic violence
dispute on purpose? Pulled over a drunk/high motorist? Pulled over
somone who just didn't want to be pulled over? Get a grip.
>Statistically speaking he or she is not facing that large a probability of
>life threatening danger.
True. Larger than the population at large, though.
>My point is simple: Police officers do recieve adequate pay. Most of them
>enjoy the ego trip and the occaisional adreneline rush. More and more
Ah, so the ego trip is part of the salary. I see.
>officers are really getting into the para military look and more incidents of
>police abuse are comming to light all the time. Before we put these men on
>some pedastal perhaps we should look a bit closer.
Well this I have to agree with. More and more, I talk to new cops
that have a "us vs. them" metality. Complete with the para-military
crap. Those guys have no business wearing a badge.
Roger Peck
thrown.
eas...@redriverok.com
t...@quest1.questconsult.com (Timothy Melton) wrote:
> In article <6v334c$qdq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <eas...@redriverok.com> wrote:
>
> >Guess what we are all potentially in danger every single day. Will a drunk
> >driver run be over today? I wonder if the 7-11 will get robbed while I am
> >there?etc. etc. etc.
>
> Oh P-U-LEASE! When was the last time you went to a domestic violence
> dispute on purpose? Pulled over a drunk/high motorist? Pulled over
> somone who just didn't want to be pulled over? Get a grip.
Since you ask, I do have some experience in hostile situations. I worked my
way through OU bouncing at topless bars. Guess what I had no gun or badge
and I could not radio for backup.
>
> >Statistically speaking he or she is not facing that large a probability of
> >life threatening danger.
>
> True. Larger than the population at large, though.
>
> >My point is simple: Police officers do recieve adequate pay. Most of them
> >enjoy the ego trip and the occaisional adreneline rush. More and more
>
> Ah, so the ego trip is part of the salary. I see.
>
Frankly yes. Just like most bouncers, they get off on the power trip.
> >officers are really getting into the para military look and more incidents of
> >police abuse are comming to light all the time. Before we put these men on
> >some pedastal perhaps we should look a bit closer.
>
> Well this I have to agree with. More and more, I talk to new cops
> that have a "us vs. them" metality. Complete with the para-military
> crap. Those guys have no business wearing a badge.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Melton t...@questconsult.com
> Quest Consultants Inc. http://www.questconsult.com/~tam
> P.O. Box 721387 (405) 329-7475
> Norman, OK 73070-8069 Fax: (405) 329-7734
>
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E. Faubion
>I do have a rough idea of pay for officers in Bryan County and the OKC Highway
>patrol. It is higher than teachers, for example.
That's not saying much. Most teachers in this state are paid
starvation wages.
>But since you are certain
>that they are so underpaid that they cannot support their families,
The definition you gave it was 'adequate.' Most officers with
families have a second income either via a second job or their spouse,
or both.
>I thought you might have more exact numbers.
Only for my department.
E. Faubion
>> Ah, so the ego trip is part of the salary. I see.
>Frankly yes. Just like most bouncers, they get off on the power trip.
Does this include me or is this a generalization based on the type of
cop you might have been?
eas...@redriverok.com
And still you avoid posting such numbers. How about you simply tell us which
department you work for and the average pay??
>
> http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion/email.html
eas...@redriverok.com
efau...@oklahoma.USA.net wrote:
> eas...@redriverok.com wrote:
>
> >> Ah, so the ego trip is part of the salary. I see.
>
> >Frankly yes. Just like most bouncers, they get off on the power trip.
>
> Does this include me or is this a generalization based on the type of
> cop you might have been?
This is a multi part answer:
1. I do not know you so I cannot coment on you. 2. I bounced simply to
pay for college. I had a strong background in Martial arts and the hours
where at night. I do not get into power trips and I totally detested the
environement I worked in. So I don't think I would have gotten into a power
trip if I had become an officer.
Now what is my generalization based on? Well several things:
1. When the "real world" programs like "cops" show officers I often see
officers behaving beligerantly and escalating a situation. Now these are
officers that know they are being filmed. I wonder what the officers do when
no one is watching?
2. More and more police officers are going for paramilitary dress. Guess
what camo's don't camoflauge very well in an urban environment and Bloused
combat boots have no use on the street. It is simply an ego trip from wanna
bee commando's.
3. Verified reports of police abuse of power are becomming common place.
4. The officers I have personally known or encountered are usually
beligerant control freaks. Now I have a perfectly clean record, teach at a
university, dress conservatively, have done part-time ministry work, and am
an honorably discharged veteran. There is nothing in my life to warrent such
attitude. The only times I have dealt with officers was reporting some act I
had wittnessed, and still they have an attitude.
Basically my point is simple: we do need officers, but we need men and women
who truly wish to serve and protect, not people on a macho ego trip.
E. Faubion
>And still you avoid posting such numbers.
I avoid nothing. The data you seek is public record and far be it for
me to do an opponent's homework. If you want the data, go get it.
>How about you simply tell us which department you work
OCPD.
>for and the average pay??
See above.
ST
> In article <3618ff17...@news.okc.oklahoma.net>,
> efau...@oklahoma.USA.net wrote:
> > eas...@redriverok.com wrote:
> >
> > >I do have a rough idea of pay for officers in Bryan County and the OKC
> Highway
> > >patrol. It is higher than teachers, for example.
> >
> > That's not saying much. Most teachers in this state are paid
> > starvation wages.
> >
> > >But since you are certain
> > >that they are so underpaid that they cannot support their families,
> >
> > The definition you gave it was 'adequate.' Most officers with
> > families have a second income either via a second job or their spouse,
> > or both.
> >
> > >I thought you might have more exact numbers.
> >
> > Only for my department.
>
> And still you avoid posting such numbers. How about you simply tell us which
> department you work for and the average pay??
>
> >
> > http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion/email.html
> >
>
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> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
His WEB site tells you where he works.
As of July 1996 the average salary of Oklahoma Police "Chiefs" was $34,469.
At a major Oklahoma PD like Tulsa, their officers earn:
Apprentice Police Officer:
Earns $ 2,070.00 monthly during the 23-week academy
training period.
Then: Police Officer $ 27,328.91 to $ 42,396.09
If he chooses, Earl can say what his agency pays. I would imagine that since
OCPD is larger than Tulsa PD that their salaries would be comparable.
ST
--
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Remove NEGSPAM from email address.
E. Faubion
>1. I do not know you so I cannot coment on you.
Then you can't have any idea what pay is 'adequate' for me either.
I'm glad that's settled.
E. Faubion
>So I don't think I would have gotten into a power
>trip if I had become an officer.
Never having done it you have no way of knowing. It's easy to make
predictions about something you'll never do.
>Now what is my generalization based on? Well several things:
>
> 1. When the "real world" programs like "cops" show officers I often see
>officers behaving beligerantly and escalating a situation. Now these are
>officers that know they are being filmed. I wonder what the officers do when
>no one is watching?
Much the same. That show is as close to reality as it gets sans the
paperwork and court time.
> 2. More and more police officers are going for paramilitary dress. Guess
>what camo's don't camoflauge very well in an urban environment and Bloused
>combat boots have no use on the street. It is simply an ego trip from wanna
>bee commando's.
Come along on the next drug raid. We'll be more than happy to let you
demonstrate what kind of clothing we should wear. And don't forget
your vest.
>3. Verified reports of police abuse of power are becomming common place.
Indeed. And further investigation will reveal that more often than
not it's fellow cops who brought these abuses to light. Please name
me another occupation that has a track record that good at cleaning
its own house.
>4. The officers I have personally known or encountered are usually
>beligerant control freaks.
One can always wonder what their opinion of you is.
>Basically my point is simple: we do need officers, but we need men and women
>who truly wish to serve and protect,
As long as they don't make more than we do.... right? :=]
>not people on a macho ego trip.
Since you claim you went on such trips as a bouncer my advice to you
is don't apply. We don't tolerate that kind of attitude on my shift.
E. Faubion
>Then: Police Officer $ 27,328.91 to $ 42,396.09
>If he chooses, Earl can say what his agency pays. I would imagine that since
>OCPD is larger than Tulsa PD that their salaries would be comparable.
The OCPD has no official website and I've not seen the latest pay
scale however I think the upper end for a P.O. is somewhat higher that
Tulsa's.
eas...@redriverok.com
ST <sat...@NEGSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
(snip)
> > And still you avoid posting such numbers. How about you simply tell us
which
> > department you work for and the average pay??
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion/email.html
> > >
> >
> > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
> His WEB site tells you where he works.
>
> As of July 1996 the average salary of Oklahoma Police "Chiefs" was $34,469.
>
> At a major Oklahoma PD like Tulsa, their officers earn:
>
> Apprentice Police Officer:
> Earns $ 2,070.00 monthly during the 23-week academy
> training period.
>
> Then: Police Officer $ 27,328.91 to $ 42,396.09
>
> If he chooses, Earl can say what his agency pays. I would imagine that since
> OCPD is larger than Tulsa PD that their salaries would be comparable.
>
> ST
I went to his web site and found out he was with OCPD. Thank you for the
numbers you posted. You helped tremendously. That kind of money is more than
many Oklahomans support their families on. Considering that the job requires
minimal education and has people lined up waiting to take the job, I would say
that the salary is definately adequate.
eas...@redriverok.com
efau...@oklahoma.USA.net wrote:
> me to do an opponent's homework. If you want the data, go get it.
>
>
>
> >for and the average pay??
>
>
>
Thankfully, others have been willing to post numbers. And the numbers show a
salary that is definately adequate to live on in Oklahoma.
eas...@redriverok.com
efau...@oklahoma.USA.net wrote:
> eas...@redriverok.com wrote:
>
> >1. I do not know you so I cannot coment on you.
>
> Then you can't have any idea what pay is 'adequate' for me either.
>
> I'm glad that's settled.
>
> http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion/email.html
>
Well now that some numbers are posted in this group I will re assert that the
pay is adequate for the training/education and job. If you did not like it,
you should not have become a police officer.
--Chuck Easttom
eas...@redriverok.com
efau...@oklahoma.USA.net wrote:
> eas...@redriverok.com wrote:
>
> >So I don't think I would have gotten into a power
> >trip if I had become an officer.
>
> Never having done it you have no way of knowing. It's easy to make
> predictions about something you'll never do.
Well having been a bouncer while working through college (a portion of my
post you chose to snip without indicating a snip)where I often had to fight
several times a week, with no badge no gun and no radio to call for backup ,
I think I have some understanding of the situation.
>
> >Now what is my generalization based on? Well several things:
> >
> > 1. When the "real world" programs like "cops" show officers I often see
> >officers behaving beligerantly and escalating a situation. Now these are
> >officers that know they are being filmed. I wonder what the officers do when
> >no one is watching?
>
> Much the same. That show is as close to reality as it gets sans the
> paperwork and court time.
>
Thanks for admitting that. Then you have reinforced my opinion. Many of the
officers I see on these programs are beligerent and escalate the situation
rather than act as "peace officers". While we are on the subject why does it
take 12 officers with full gear (flak vest, kevlar helmet, shotguns) to serve
a warrent for burglary on a 13 year old boy?? (I saw that one on "Cops").
> > 2. More and more police officers are going for paramilitary dress. Guess
> >what camo's don't camoflauge very well in an urban environment and Bloused
> >combat boots have no use on the street. It is simply an ego trip from wanna
> >bee commando's.
>
> Come along on the next drug raid. We'll be more than happy to let you
> demonstrate what kind of clothing we should wear. And don't forget
> your vest.
I spent 4 years in the army's 7th light infantry division including service
in Honduras and Panama. I have some idea of where cammo is needed. Please
tell me why a MWC traffic cop requires a marine haircut and bloused combat
boots? Please tell me how forest cammo helps in an urban environment?? Are
you officers trying to fuel the paranoia of militia groups?? You look and act
more and more like an occupying army every day.
>
> >3. Verified reports of police abuse of power are becomming common place.
>
> Indeed. And further investigation will reveal that more often than
> not it's fellow cops who brought these abuses to light. Please name
> me another occupation that has a track record that good at cleaning
> its own house.
>
Try any other occupation. Any time any cop is accused, every cop I have ever
known immediately goes into excuses.
> >4. The officers I have personally known or encountered are usually
> >beligerant control freaks.
>
> One can always wonder what their opinion of you is.
Probably equally low.
>
> >Basically my point is simple: we do need officers, but we need men and women
> >who truly wish to serve and protect,
>
> As long as they don't make more than we do.... right? :=]
I never said that. But the job requires minimal education, there are people
lined up to get it, and (as i demonstrated in another post) has a very low
probability of being life threatening. Those conditions simply do not
justify high salaries. But just for the sake of debate: what do you think
the salaries should be?? I think the current TPD and OHP figures are fine
(as posted in this newsgroup).
>
> >not people on a macho ego trip.
>
> Since you claim you went on such trips as a bouncer my advice to you
> is don't apply. We don't tolerate that kind of attitude on my shift.
Now you outright lie. I flat out said that I detested being a bouncer and
did not get into ego trips. It was merely the job I needed to pay for an
education. It had the right hours to permitt me to attend class.
>
> http://www.oklahoma.net/~efaubion/email.html
Timothy Melton
>In article <3619150f...@news.okc.oklahoma.net>,
> 2. More and more police officers are going for paramilitary dress. Guess
>what camo's don't camoflauge very well in an urban environment and Bloused
>combat boots have no use on the street. It is simply an ego trip from wanna
>bee commando's.
MHO, yes. Although when OHP guys, for instance, are out busting pot
growers, camo, etc... *can* be useful.
> 3. Verified reports of police abuse of power are becomming common place.
Yep. I often wonder whether it is becoming more commonplace or
whether it is becoming more reported. Also consider this. Police
are, as a whole, becoming more professional. Time was when a teenager
got caught with beer, the officer would likely just have him dump it
out and send him on his way. Fake ID? Put the fear of God into the
kid and confiscate it. These days, kids get busted. They break the
law, they go down. Fake ID at 19 or 20? Felony.
I think this is due to a combination of population growth, more
professionalism on the force and a pervailing sense of "us vs. them"
mentality.
> 4. The officers I have personally known or encountered are usually
>beligerant control freaks. Now I have a perfectly clean record, teach at a
The younger ones tend to exhibit this type of behaviour. Many of the
older LEOs I know, especially detective types, aren't near as bad.
They look at their job as catching bad guys and helping the community.
Younger guys tend to look at anyone not in uniform as a bad guy by
default. "Us versus them" again. Part of the reason for this is, I
believe, more restrictive laws and enforcement. Everybody breaks some
law from time to time be it smoking pot or speeding. More aggressive
enforcement leads to more police involvement in peoples' lives which
fosters an "us versus them" mentality on *both* sides of the blue wall
of silence. And would you like to point to a single prevailing force
driving this trend? Prohibition. Look at the effect of alcohol
prohibition on folks' attitudes towards the law. And prohibition's
help in entrenching the mob in society.
Anyway, just an observation, FWIW.
>Basically my point is simple: we do need officers, but we need men and women
>who truly wish to serve and protect, not people on a macho ego trip.
True. We also need good, intelligent folks teaching our kids. But
the salary doesn't always attract the best of the best.
Oh, here's a statistic for you from "The Book of Risks":
The risk that a randomly selected police officer will be slain this
year in the line of duty: 1 in 3,100. The risk of a farmer of mine
worker being killed on the job is 1 in 2,300. Also, roughly half of
all police officers wounded in the line of duty are accidently shot by
a fellow police officer.
FWIW,