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Richard Lemmers

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Jan 24, 2010, 11:13:24 AM1/24/10
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As many of you are no doubt aware, while Ohio military units are individually honored with regimental and battery markers and monuments at Gettysburg National Military Park, Ohio does not have an individual State monument there commemorating all its troops, such as does as Pennsylvania, Virginia, New York, North Carolina, Indiana, South Carolina, Vermont, Mississippi, Delaware, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee,, and Arkansas.  It would be nice if Ohio had a monument on that field.  Such a monument could list all its units and their accomplishments, as well as perhaps a list on bronze tablets of either all the known Ohio soldiers who participated or names of just those who died.
As to a possible location for such a project, my suggestion would be somewhere near the exiting monument to the 8th Ohio Infantry, which is centrally located on the battlefield just south of the town of Gettysburg.  I heard a rumor that the park service has a long range plan to restore the road that runs off Emmitsburg Road near the 8th O.V.I.'s monument back to the Colt Park subdivision to its 1863 appearance.  I plan supposedly was to restore the area in which the 8th made its flanking movement against Pettigrew's and Trimbles' troops during Pickett's Charge.
This is just a thought.

lstevens

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Jan 24, 2010, 12:03:20 PM1/24/10
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The Ohio soldiers who fought there decided in 1885 to do individual
markers for each regiment instead of one big Ohio memorial.

Although it is a nice thought to erect a Ohio monument there, I doubt
there would be much support of public or private money with the
economy in shambles. The state has a very limited budget for the Civil
War Sesquicentennial and probably would not shell out much for a
monument. A worthy project that that more than likely will be
postponed until better economical times roll around.


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Jan 24, 2010, 4:38:07 PM1/24/10
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Before I read Larry's Post concerning the placing of a Ohio Monument at
Gettysburg I had reservations. Being aware now of the Ohio Soldiers 1885
decision I am convinced the idea should not be pursued.

Herb Parkinson </HTML>

Greg

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Jan 24, 2010, 11:50:11 PM1/24/10
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Hello,

While it would be nice to see an Ohio monument at Gettysburg please keep
in mind that a lot more Ohio troops fought in the west and not that many
battlefields out here have Ohio monuments other than unit markers.

Greg Biggs
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Bruce Lamping

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Jan 25, 2010, 10:41:03 AM1/25/10
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That is true, not many Ohioans fought at Gettysburg but they were in just as bloody of battles. Take the Battle of Corinth, Mississippi. The 43rd OVI were on the left of the Robinet Battery and the 63rd OVI were on the right....the 43rd lost 1/3 of their men, the 63rd 1/2. Colonel Kirby Smith, CO of the 43rd OVI, was killed at Corinth.  There is a nice monument in Mount Vernon, Knox County, Ohio with a Civil War soldier on a high column, facing south, commemorating the men both North and South who fought in the war. My great great grandpa, Jason Brown, mustered in at Mount Vernon in Dec. 1861, he fought the whole time and was in the Grand Review in Washington, DC. The memorial also has a "Veterans Walk of Honor" where you can purchase engraved bricks and have them placed in the walk of honor..I did that for my Great Great Grandpa. U.S. Grant once commented on the Army of Ohio.."they are invincible.  Both Grant and Sherman were from Ohio.

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Jan 25, 2010, 11:55:29 AM1/25/10
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Please pause today and remember Bvt Brig General John C. Tidball on his
185th birthday! He was appointed to West Point from Ohio graduating in 1848. He
partcipated in the battles of Malvern Hill, Gettysburg, Antietam as well as
many many others. He served as Commandant of Cadets at WP during the War
got into a spat with Stanton,was replaced and went back to the War and after
the War served as the head of the Artillery School at Ft.Monroe. He was the
first officer to order "Taps" played over a grave. There is a Stained Glass
Window at the Chapel at Ft. Monroe memorlizing this event.
He died in 1906 and is buried at West Point.


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Greg

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Jan 25, 2010, 3:39:28 PM1/25/10
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Bruce,

Fuller's Ohio Brigade held the right of line at Battery Robinett and held against two CS divisions.  This brigade was the core of his later division which fought equally well in the Battle of Atlanta.

There's lots of battles in the West where Ohio troops fought that made a great impression on the war's outcome and most of its generals also came form the West.

Greg Biggs

Bruce Lamping

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Jan 25, 2010, 5:29:34 PM1/25/10
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Report of Colonel JohnW. Fuller, twenty seventh Ohio Infantry, Commanding First Brigade.  "The General commanding the Division placed the Forty-third Ohio (Colonel J.L. Kirby Smith) in position near the crest of the ridge fronting the west, the right of the regiment resting near Battery Robinett, while I in accordance with his instructions, found the line fronting to the north as follows: The Sixty-third Ohio (Colonel J.W. Sprague) with the left resting near the road which passes Battery Robinett, distance about thirty yards from the battery: the Twenty-seventh Ohio ( Major Z.S Spaulding) next on the right of the Sixty-third.and the Thirty-ninth Ohio (Colonel A.W. Gilbert) holding the right of our line."

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Greg

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Jan 25, 2010, 10:37:52 PM1/25/10
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Bruce,

There is a wonderful unit history for Fuller's Brigade that has been reprinted by the Higginson Book Company.  It has lots of details for Corinth as well as Atlanta and the Battle of Parker's Crossroads against Forrest.

The 27th Ohio took the flag of the 9th Texas Dismounted Cavalry at Corinth.  It bears the blood of its color bearer and Pvt. Orrin Gould of the 27th, who was wounded in taking it.

Greg Biggs

Bruce Lamping

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You're right, it all makes sense, the brigade at that time was L shaped and all the regiments were still on the right of the Robinett battery.  Thanks for the literary source.


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lstevens

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Jan 26, 2010, 1:07:26 PM1/26/10
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Only on a Ohio Civil War message board would a thread concerning Ohio
Gettysburg monuments be hijacked away to the famous Ohio Brigade of
the western theater :)

Oh by the way the title of the book is:

The History of Fuller's Ohio Brigade, 1861-1865. Its Great March, with
Roster, Portraits, Battle Maps and Biographies. Charles H. Smith.
Major 27th Ohio Regiment, Veteran Volunteer Infantry. Press of A.J.
Watt. Cleveland. Ohio. 1909

One of the very best Ohio (Brigade) Regimentals!


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Richard Lemmers

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There are a number of Ohioans who fought at Gettysburg with other than Ohio units.  Best known perhaps was Lt. Charles Hazlett, born in Ohio in 1838 and who died at Little Round Top July 2, 1863, while commanding Battery D, 5th U.S. Artillery.  And of course Custer, though born in Ohio, led the Michigan Cavalry Brigade.  But not very many people know that part of the 59th New York Infantry, which helped repulse Pickett's Charge, had a number of soldiers who were recruited in Richland County, Ohio.  In fact, when the 59th's commander was mortally wounded on July 2, it was Captain William McFadden, an Ohioan, who led the regiment through the rest f the battle.  McFadden was born in Mount Vernon, November 27, 1827, was a merchant in Belleville when he entered the army in 1861, was mustered out with the rank of major, and died in Clinton Township, Knox County, Ohio, on May 20, 1909. 

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Feb 1, 2010, 12:55:07 PM2/1/10
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Great info! Thanks Richard.

I was not aware of the 59th New York - Ohio connection.

Also ..... Personally I see nothing wrong with the idea of a nice
Ohio monument on all of our civil war battlefields. It is more of
a financial battle to get it done.

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> There are a number of Ohioans who fought at Gettysburg with other than Ohio units.  Best known perhaps was Lt. Charles Hazlett, born in Ohio in 1838 and who died at Little Round Top July 2, 1863, while commanding Battery D, 5th U.S. Artillery.  And of course Custer, though born in Ohio, led the Michigan Cavalry Brigade.  But not very many people know that part of the 59th New York Infantry, which helped repulse Pickett's Charge, had a number of soldiers who were recruited in Richland County, Ohio.  In fact, when the 59th's commander was mortally wounded on July 2, it was Captain William McFadden, an Ohioan, who led the regiment through the rest f the battle.  McFadden was born in Mount Vernon, November 27, 1827, was a merchant in Belleville when he entered the army in 1861, was mustered out with the rank of major, and died in Clinton Township, Knox County, Ohio, on May 20, 1909. 
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yeah, great info


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Richard and Larry---Thanks for your mention of the Ohioans who were
part of the 59th NY, as these are often "lost." There has been quite a
bit of local research on the Ohioans in the 59th NY in the past 5-6
years, driven in part by the discovery that the Gettysburg National
Military Park archives has a collection of 200+ artifacts from Jacob
Bechtel, one of the Richland County members of the 59th NY. For those
interested in learning more, here are four publications related to the
group of 100 Ohioans:
- a series of three different articles related to Bechtel and his
colleagues in Ohio Civil War Genealogy Journal, 2004, Issue 4, pages
159-173, by Elizabeth Trescott, GNMP, and me.
- "Ohioans in the 59th New York Volunteer Infantry," OCWGJ, 2007,
Issue #4, pages 159-174, by Kent Dorr, Zack Fry, and me.
- "Boys, Bury Me on the Field: The Forlorn and Forgotten 59th New York
on Cemetery Ridge," Gettysburg Magazine, Issue #36 (January 2007), pp.
103-115, by Zack Fry.
- "Its Full Share of the Heroic Work: A Further Analysis of the 59th
New York on July 3," Gettysburg Magazine, Issue #39, (July 2008), pp.
83-92.

Thanks,
Dan

Richard Lemmers

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Companies I and K of the 65th New York, which served in the VI Corps on Culps Hill at Gettysburg, also had a sizable group of Ohioans.  Those soldiers were from Seneca County.  The New York section of the Gettysburg National Soldiers Cemetery has three Ohioans buried in it including Sergeant James Martin, Company B, 59th New York, who was from Bellville; Private August Ellenberger, Company B, 59th New York, who was from Mansfield; and Private Lafayette Burns, Company I, 65th New York, who was from Tiffin.

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