Hi All,
At our last OHIE Architecture call we touched on the idea of a Creative Commons License for the OHIE Specification Release. Here is a link to the different license https://creativecommons.org/licenses/.
I’d like to hear what people think about “Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike”?
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Hi Jamie and thanks for raising this.
To the Arch team:
I’m not a fan of that license for our narrative works here. It basically restricts commercial use of our documentation and takes out any incentive for implementing partners to build on. I’m much more inclined for the much more permissive nature of the “by attribution” approach (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0).
I really think of this as to what are we trying to do here. HIE’s for low resource settings are, just by pure economics and demand, limited in the total number that can be deployed and built so anything that is excluding others from working with us – especially commercial teams and other groups who are not primarily open source will be very limiting in our community and restrict the “new blood” that is able to come in.
Why I prefer the CC-BY option is that it gives options to teams that don’t have the mandate to make their solutions open source to leverage our work as source and cite the original source. We do run the risk of some group taking what we have done and then commercializing it and selling it to others, but this should drive us to excel more! If a country can pay a few $$ for a much better version of our specification document that what we offer / or a local firm has chosen to contextualise our specifications for their use-case / environment then we should support that and it should drive us to adapt.
We want to see our investments used (appropriately) and I think it is more the relationships that build the share alike mentality than the license so I would say let be as open to play with all as possible and let our relationships and community engagement be the draw card that allows others to share back their investments – but also allow others to create innovative business models off of the work that is aimed at bettering health for all.
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Hi All,
Apologies for inserting myself in the conversation thread.
I agree that CC-BY is a great option, and agree NC would be difficult to interest non-OSS parties to participate…
If there is a concern about having access to enhancements (to the specs themselves), then CC-BY-SA is another good option. It requires remixes of the original work be published under BY-SA while permitting commercial use of the assets (INAL but that is my understanding - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/).
Cheers
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Agreed.
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Morning all
Thinking this through I wanted to run a few scenarios past the team to:
Basically – I have a way that I see the license impacting derivatives and wanted to get a consensus if we all see it the same way.
Scenario 1: Ministry of health runs a tender for the procurement / development of an HIE and includes the OpenHIE Specifications document as a reference to the tender.
So my question is how is the “slightly altered” specification managed under the license? I see it as a derived work (?correct?). So under the CC-BA the derived work need only cite the fact that it is built off of the OHIE Spec as a base. For the CC-BA-SA does this require the ministry to now publish this new document as an open document for all to access? What if there is confidential information in the specification or there is limited mandate for government specification documents to remain private? Is it possible for the MoH to “not share the document” or create a version that they keep without sharing it?
If it is just in the tender as a “reference doc” then it is like citing a book and the tender doesn’t need to be opened and shared under the -SA option correct?
Scenario 2: Implementing partner develops and hands over an HIE for a particular solution to an MOH
If the implementing partner based the architectural spec of their HIE on the OpenHIE Spec and their contract with the MOH requires that all IP is ceded to the MOH how is this handled. Will the -SA flag allow the document to be handed over to the MoH without them needing to share it (under what conditions is that possible?) or will this force the implementer to share the document?
I have a few more scenarios that look at but I think getting answers on the above would help me frame the rest of them in my head.
My basic concern is how do we manage a “forced share” clause in our documentation and design specs. I’d love to hear from others of how they have seen this done in the past or how we could provide guidance to teams and educate members (maybe it’s just me 😊 ) on how a CC-BY-SA will play out in the above.
My prerequisite for any license that we put on our documents is that it enable countries to be in a better position to leverage our work and enable them to achieve a better outcome; that OpenHIE is recognised for its input.
I think relationships are a stronger way to manage a sharing and collaborative approach and I’m not sure if a license is the best way facilitate sharing. It feels a bit like “you must share – it’s the rules” vs “hey why don’t we work together on this and get something better” (stick vs carrot). I am aware of the challenge of “stripping assets” from a global collective community and I don’t have a good way of talking to that this morning. But interested to hear what others think and how we address the scenarios above.
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The -SA seems very good, will encourage innovation while at the same time recognizing community contribution.
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Hi All,
Thank you all for participating in this discussion! Your consideration of all the different scenarios and circumstances behind a license for the OHIE specification releases was extremely beneficial, appreciate your time on this. If I am hearing correctly it seems we have a consensus that the CC-BY 4.0 license is the way to go, which aligns with the creative commons licensing we have on the OpenHIE wiki and website. Glad to see we are still aligned here 😉
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Eric, I'm also not an IP lawyer but (sadly) have a lot of prior (expensive!) experience in this area. 😋 Nothing about CC-BY prevents a party from citing our work product in, for example, a confidential procurement specification. It would mean they could not (legally) pass it off as their own... but I kinda like that aspect of it. 😏
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The -SA seems very good, will encourage innovation while at the same time recognizing community contribution.
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I agree with Justin and Alvin's CC-BY-SA recommendation, preserving the BY-SA in derivative works.
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 4:01:15 PM UTC-4, Jamie Thomas wrote:
Hi All,
At our last OHIE Architecture call we touched on the idea of a Creative Commons License for the OHIE Specification Release. Here is a link to the different license https://creativecommons.org/licenses/.
I’d like to hear what people think about “Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike”?
Jamie Thomas | Community Manager
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