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Re: Of Course: Ohio's Gun Violence Rates Show That Its Permitless Carry Law Prevents Crime
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Shoot Looters!
Jan 5, 2024, 3:35:03 AM1/5/24
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On 31 Mar 2023, Molly Bolt <mollyth...@gmail.com> posted some
news:fa8f7fc3-72cd-405d...@googlegroups.com:
> Democrats are shitting their pants because their anti-gun lies have
> been exposed.
Here’s another one that is sure to disappoint the anti-gunner lobby.
Despite its claims that arming responsible Americans is dangerous, Ohio
has shown a much different outcome after it passed legislation allowing
permitless carry.
A study published on Wednesday reveals that rates of gun violence
decreased substantially after the law was passed in June 2023.
Six of Ohio’s eight largest cities saw less gun crime after the state’s
“constitutional carry” law took effect, according to a study published
today by the Center for Justice Research, a partnership between the
office of Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost and Bowling Green State
University.
Beginning June 13, 2022, Ohio became the 23rd state to allow its
citizens to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. In the year
following, crime involving guns dropped across Ohio’s eight largest
cities as a whole and in six of the eight individually.
AG Yost said:
This is not to downplay the very real problem of crime in many
neighborhoods in our cities – you don’t need a research team to see that
gun violence destroys lives, families and opportunity. The key takeaway
from this study is that we have to keep the pressure on the criminals
who shoot people, rather than Ohioans who responsibly exercise their
Second Amendment rights.
Researchers found that gun crime fell by significant numbers in Ohio’s
major cities. In Parma, it dropped by 22 percent. Akron and Toledo saw a
decrease of 18 percent. However, the rate did not fall in all cities.
Dayton's and Cincinnati’s rates rose by six and five percent,
respectively.
In June 2022, AG Yost’s office issued a press release announcing the
passage of the Constitutional carry law. Yost acknowledged that Ohio
residents “should learn how to handle their firearms from a qualified
instructor” and that a “trained citizen is a safe citizen.”
While there are certainly other factors contributing to the decline in
gun violence, this data is hard to ignore. It gives substantial weight
to the argument that allowing people to exercise their right to keep and
bear arms without onerous legislative barriers puts them in a much
better position to defend themselves.
The anti-gunners continually trot out the false argument that more guns
lead to more crime. But this appears to be crumbling before our very
eyes. It is becoming even more clear that when people are better able to
defend themselves, they are much safer. Violent criminals typically
favor defenseless targets, not ones that might shoot back.
Moreover, it’s always worth remembering that violent criminals have no
regard for the gun laws progressives swear will protect the rest of us.
Even further, most of them obtain their firearms through means that are
already legal, which illustrates how impotent these restrictions are.
This data is encouraging, especially as more states pass Constitutional
carry legislation. It seems likely that in the coming years, we will see
similar results in these states, even as others like California and New
York continue trying to find new and innovative ways to disarm the
public. In the end, we will see which approach works best. I’m putting
my money on liberty.
https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/01/04/duh-ohios-gun-violence-rates-show-t
hat-permitless-carry-is-a-great-idea-n2168310
news:fa8f7fc3-72cd-405d...@googlegroups.com:
> Democrats are shitting their pants because their anti-gun lies have
> been exposed.
Here’s another one that is sure to disappoint the anti-gunner lobby.
Despite its claims that arming responsible Americans is dangerous, Ohio
has shown a much different outcome after it passed legislation allowing
permitless carry.
A study published on Wednesday reveals that rates of gun violence
decreased substantially after the law was passed in June 2023.
Six of Ohio’s eight largest cities saw less gun crime after the state’s
“constitutional carry” law took effect, according to a study published
today by the Center for Justice Research, a partnership between the
office of Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost and Bowling Green State
University.
Beginning June 13, 2022, Ohio became the 23rd state to allow its
citizens to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. In the year
following, crime involving guns dropped across Ohio’s eight largest
cities as a whole and in six of the eight individually.
AG Yost said:
This is not to downplay the very real problem of crime in many
neighborhoods in our cities – you don’t need a research team to see that
gun violence destroys lives, families and opportunity. The key takeaway
from this study is that we have to keep the pressure on the criminals
who shoot people, rather than Ohioans who responsibly exercise their
Second Amendment rights.
Researchers found that gun crime fell by significant numbers in Ohio’s
major cities. In Parma, it dropped by 22 percent. Akron and Toledo saw a
decrease of 18 percent. However, the rate did not fall in all cities.
Dayton's and Cincinnati’s rates rose by six and five percent,
respectively.
In June 2022, AG Yost’s office issued a press release announcing the
passage of the Constitutional carry law. Yost acknowledged that Ohio
residents “should learn how to handle their firearms from a qualified
instructor” and that a “trained citizen is a safe citizen.”
While there are certainly other factors contributing to the decline in
gun violence, this data is hard to ignore. It gives substantial weight
to the argument that allowing people to exercise their right to keep and
bear arms without onerous legislative barriers puts them in a much
better position to defend themselves.
The anti-gunners continually trot out the false argument that more guns
lead to more crime. But this appears to be crumbling before our very
eyes. It is becoming even more clear that when people are better able to
defend themselves, they are much safer. Violent criminals typically
favor defenseless targets, not ones that might shoot back.
Moreover, it’s always worth remembering that violent criminals have no
regard for the gun laws progressives swear will protect the rest of us.
Even further, most of them obtain their firearms through means that are
already legal, which illustrates how impotent these restrictions are.
This data is encouraging, especially as more states pass Constitutional
carry legislation. It seems likely that in the coming years, we will see
similar results in these states, even as others like California and New
York continue trying to find new and innovative ways to disarm the
public. In the end, we will see which approach works best. I’m putting
my money on liberty.
https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/01/04/duh-ohios-gun-violence-rates-show-t
hat-permitless-carry-is-a-great-idea-n2168310
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Jan 5, 2024, 9:13:43 AM1/5/24
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Governor Swill
Jan 8, 2024, 1:19:48 PM1/8/24
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>On 31 Mar 2023, Molly Bolt <mollyth...@gmail.com> posted some
>news:fa8f7fc3-72cd-405d...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> Democrats are shitting their pants because their anti-gun lies have
>> been exposed.
That's Republican brown because I'm about to expose your lie.
>news:fa8f7fc3-72cd-405d...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> Democrats are shitting their pants because their anti-gun lies have
>> been exposed.
>Here’s another one that is sure to disappoint the anti-gunner lobby.
>Despite its claims that arming responsible Americans is dangerous, Ohio
>has shown a much different outcome after it passed legislation allowing
>permitless carry.
>
>A study published on Wednesday reveals that rates of gun violence
>decreased substantially after the law was passed in June 2023.
your cite which, btw, is a load of dingoes' kidneys!
Get back to us after three or five years of statistical accumulation. Four or five months
of statistics only proves your desperation to prove something statistically that takes
YEARS to determine.
>https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/01/04/duh-ohios-gun-violence-rates-show-that-permitless-carry-is-a-great-idea-n2168310
And red states have the highest violent and gun crime rates and have had for over twenty
years. Stick your four months of numbers where the sun don't shine, Sparky.
"Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Here’s Why"
"Data shows that in 2020, eight of the ten states with the highest murder rates voted for
the Republican presidential nominee in every election in this century."
"A report published in the New England Journal of Medicine found guns became the leading
cause of death for children starting in 2017—motor vehicle-related deaths held the number
one spot for 60 years prior."
Gun crime rank and how states voted in 2020.:
"01 - Mississippi had a firearm mortality rate of 33.9, making it the state with the
highest rate in 2021. The state also used its electoral votes to vote for then President
Trump in the 2020 election.
02 - Louisiana had a firearm mortality rate of 29.1 and voted for Trump.
03 - New Mexico had a firearm mortality rate of 27.8 and voted for President Biden.
04 - Alabama had a firearm mortality rate of 26.4 and voted for Trump.
05 - Wyoming had a firearm mortality rate of 26.1 and voted for Trump.
06 - Alaska had a firearm mortality rate of 25.2 and voted for Trump.
07 - Montana had a firearm mortality rate of 25.1 and voted for Trump.
08 - Arkansas had a firearm mortality rate of 23.3 and voted for Trump.
09 - Missouri had a firearm mortality rate of 23.2 and voted for Trump.
10 - Tennessee had a firearm mortality rate of 22.8 and voted for Trump."
Meanwhile, of the 10 lowest gun death states, 9 voted for Biden.
"01 - Massachusetts has a firearm mortality rate of 3.4 and voted for Biden.
02 - Hawaii has a firearm mortality rate of 4.8 and voted for Biden.
03 - New Jersey has a firearm mortality rate of 5.2 and voted for Biden.
04 - New York has a firearm mortality rate of 5.4 and voted for Biden.
05 - Rhode Island has a firearm mortality rate of 5.6 and voted for Biden.
06 - Connecticut has a firearm mortality rate of 6.7 and voted for Biden.
07 - New Hampshire has a firearm mortality rate of 8.3 and voted for Biden.
08 - California has a firearm mortality rate of 9.0 and voted for Biden.
09 - Minnesota has a firearm mortality rate of 10.0 and voted for Biden.
10 - Nebraska has a firearm mortality rate of 10.3 and voted for Trump."
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/04/28/red-states-have-higher-gun-death-rates-than-blue-states-heres-why/?sh=76ff1bc61f81>
Your transparently partisan piece is supposing a few months stats in a post Covid world is
somehow proof of something but really is proof of NOTHING.
Note here:
https://www.axios.com/local/columbus/2023/10/26/crime-statistics-ohio-shooting-deaths-data
. . . that Ohio gun crime dropped sharply for all of 2022 but the law didn't change until
halfway through that year and the 2023 numbers aren't in yet.
There's a reason your bullshit source is called "redstate".com.
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Governor Swill
Jan 8, 2024, 1:20:48 PM1/8/24
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