ideas for ?Nov 1?

[Douglas A. Whitfield]

It sounds like Nov 1 is going to be a better day for a number of
people. Are we cool making that the official date (Alnisa, I'm mostly
asking you)? In a way, this will be kinda cool, because it will allow
those of us that wish to to follow the discussion of the other events
on Halloween to follow via IRC (#openeverything is on freenode),
identi.ca and twitter.

I was speaking with Tom and Raster about maybe doing something
interactive on the 1st. If we want to do something discussion based,
that could be cool, but I don't know how many new faces we will get
with that and I don't know how much the old faces have to say to each
other about these issues. We're all pretty much in our "hate Creative
Commons but love FOSS", "love Creative Commons but hate FOSS" or
"you're all a bunch of greedy capitalist pigs" corners and I don't see
any of us leaving those corners.

I think we need some real goals. I feel like either some code, some
music (or other art) or some real life projects with goals need to
come out of the day. It doesn't have to be a full day and maybe it
would be a good time for Kaitlyn to do her talk on social translation,
but I want to throw it out as an idea. Recording music presents some
pretty clear issues with a venue, so maybe that's not a great idea.
My thought is that if people see artists can release under CC, that
they'll be inspired to do so also rather than being held to some
societal view of success in music which has to do with record sales
and label contracts.

A note on possible venue, I sent an e-mail to the Goodman Community
Center a few weeks ago and never heard back.

Douglas A. Whitfield

Co-President Madison Linux User Group
http://madisonlinux.org/
New Project Coordinator - http://openeverything.us
Worldwide Open Everything event, October 31, 2009

[Pete Prodoehl]

November 1st tentatively works for me...

As far as music is concerned, I write and record music because I love
doing it, and I do not have goals of making any money from it, but just
wish to share it with others. Slightly different, is photography, where
I also love doing it, but would like to be paid (on occasion) for doing
it as well. Of course 95% of the photos I publish use a CC license.
Video is pretty similar to me... I publish tons of video with a CC
license, though the documentary I am working on is still up in the air
as to the license it will have.

Doug, what is your concern about recording music at the venue? I've
recorded dozens of songs while people slept in the next room. It can be
done pretty quietly.

Maybe we shine a light on great CC artists, and sites that promote them
like http://www.thesixtyone.com/cc/ or others...

btw, I love Creative Commons and FOSS :)

Hey, let me know if you want to hold it in Pewaukee... we've got a photo
studio and recording studio here as well. ;)

Pete

[Douglas A. Whitfield]

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Pete Prodoehl<ras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as music is concerned, I write and record music because I love
> doing it, and I do not have goals of making any money from it, but just
> wish to share it with others.

Right, it's the idea that we have to monetize everything that I'd like
to fight with actually producing something (but that's not to
discredit monetizing stuff too).

> though the documentary I am working on is still up in the air
> as to the license it will have.

Is it the one where you did interviews in April? If so, can you
license my interview BY-SA? :)

> Doug, what is your concern about recording music at the venue? I've
> recorded dozens of songs while people slept in the next room. It can be
> done pretty quietly.

Fair enough. I like yelling is all...and drums.

> Maybe we shine a light on great CC artists, and sites that promote them
> like http://www.thesixtyone.com/cc/ or others...

Hadn't seen that site, thanks for the link.

> btw, I love Creative Commons and FOSS :)

Guess which caricature I was putting myself in. :)

> Hey, let me know if you want to hold it in Pewaukee... we've got a photo
> studio and recording studio here as well.  ;)

I think you're joking, but this isn't all together a bad idea. As you
know, I've been trying to get MKE people more involved. I could give
Alnisa a ride (and a couple other carless people). It's not the
greenest way to go about having the event, but we could call it Open
Everything Wisconsin instead of OEMad or OEMKE. It would probably cut
down on attendance, but having a smaller, more passionate bunch, with
great equipment and seeing new (hopefully) faces, I think has real
merit. I'm assuming Pete (aka raster for those confused) is talking
about having it here (map included): http://z-2.org/contact/

Having an event focused around producing something wouldn't rule out
great discussion, of course. :)

[Pete Prodoehl]

If people are OK with having the event in Pewaukee, I will see if we can host it at Z2.

I've got my drumset here, and could bring my bass, amp, and guitar as well. Like I said, we have a recording studio, a photo studio, etc. It's a creative's dream. :)

We'd have to figure out how many people would come... may need extra chairs/tables depending on what we'd be doing.

Pete


Douglas A. Whitfield wrote:

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Pete Prodoehl<ras...@gmail.com> wrote:
  

As far as music is concerned, I write and record music because I love
doing it, and I do not have goals of making any money from it, but just
wish to share it with others.
    

Right, it's the idea that we have to monetize everything that I'd like
to fight with actually producing something (but that's not to
discredit monetizing stuff too).

  

though the documentary I am working on is still up in the air
as to the license it will have.
    

Is it the one where you did interviews in April? If so, can you
license my interview BY-SA? :)
  

No, totally separate project. I would have had you sign a release...

[Alnisa Allgood]

I'm behind. So we aren't participating in the Global Open Everything Day? Cause for me that was the only reason to consider doing something on the 31 October. Otherwise, we could choose any day we want. Sundays aren't so great for me, I volunteer, but could see what I could do.

Alnisa
......................

Alnisa Allgood
Executive Director
Nonprofit Tech
t. 608.241.3616
e. aln...@nonprofit-tech.org

[Alnisa Allgood]

Okay, still trying to get some clarity. So the event at DNA Studios, or the Warehouse behind DNA Studios is totally separate from this conversation, right? Is there a potential day for that, that's been selected?

Second, so this event would be a 1 November event with an Open Art focus, but primarily focus on music and photography?

Also, with hosting in Pewaukee at Z2, what are space limitations and potential use issues?

I think those are my questions for now.

Alnisa
......................

Alnisa Allgood
Executive Director
Nonprofit Tech
t. 608.241.3616
e. aln...@nonprofit-tech.org

[Pete Prodoehl]

Alnisa, I had suggested using the office where I work as a venue. I'm not trying to suggest any focus, but wanted to point out that being a creative firm, we have certain things many venues would not (photo studio, recording studio, etc.)

Space limitations? Well, we've have over 100 for parties, but I think we'd need to limit to a smaller number than that, how many attended OEMAD in April? We've got tons of free parking, but were not exactly along the bus lines.

Can you explain what you mean by "potential use issues"?


Pete

[Alnisa Allgood]

No problems, I'm just trying to catch up, after seeing Doug has @replied a lot on Identi.ca.  I mention the focus on music and photo, because of the space. Space can often 'focus' options. I would imagine materials art, like sculpture or painting wouldn't go well in the space. But that was just my assumption.

I admit to not even being able to recall the attendance for the April event. That's a Doug question, so is that what we would be shooting for? Or smaller?

I was thinking potential issues, like 'No food' or ' Only cater food', or possibly more or less obvious things like—don't expect to do your oil painting in our studios. We've got polished hardwood or fluffy carpets.

I guess I would also assume that focus and goals would possibly limit audience as well. What I mean is, if for the musicians, if part of the goal was to (random guesses here) pair up, create music, and record it. Then you wouldn't want more people than who could fit in the studio (not at once) but in groups or duos. So say if 10 musicians showed up, and that got broken into whatever, 3 or 4 groups, each who would get say 1hr of studio time. Then there becomes a natural limit for how many musicians can attend (at least in terms of pairing).

Same with photography or maybe not. I'm not certain about what the split between digital and film is for professional or would be professional photographers.

I'd assume, there's a network, but would they require that we set up our own wireless. I was thinking those types of things, randomly.

Sorry, my brain automatically runs logistics for almost everything. My friends know better than to ask me 'what I truly think about their relationship survival chances' and stick with the more generic 'so what do you think' so I can just say seems nice, you guys look cute together.

Alnisa
......................

Alnisa Allgood
Executive Director
Nonprofit Tech
t. 608.241.3616
e. aln...@nonprofit-tech.org

[Douglas A. Whitfield]

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Alnisa Allgood<allg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I admit to not even being able to recall the attendance for the April event.
> That's a Doug question, so is that what we would be shooting for? Or
> smaller?

It was about 40. I think the focus for us is still up for debate. If
we really are able to have a productive environment, I'd be happy with
less.

> My
> friends know better than to ask me 'what I truly think about their
> relationship survival chances' and stick with the more generic 'so what do
> you think' so I can just say seems nice, you guys look cute together.

I can't recall how many times I've uttered the phrase "relationship
survival chances". Must be in the 1000s. ;)

More to come.

[Douglas A. Whitfield]

Two for one deal on this e-mail.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Alnisa Allgood<allg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, still trying to get some clarity. So the event at DNA Studios, or the
> Warehouse behind DNA Studios is totally separate from this conversation,
> right?

Indeed. I just started to think that since we seem to have a lot of
energy and momentum for that event, maybe it would be a good thing to
discuss in relationship to the Oct31 event.

> Is there a potential day for that, that's been selected?
> Second, so this event would be a 1 November event with an Open Art focus,
> but primarily focus on music and photography?

Maybe. I mean, that *is* what I'm suggesting, but I'm by no means
married to that. And actually, I think having a coding and art
co-session would be best, if we can get good code projects. I'd
really like to get Web608/Web414 involved. What I really want to
focus on is a *product*. Even if we do a discussion format, I think
we should try to come up with something that really affects the real
world. We kinda did that last time, with deciding to do bi-monthly
smaller get-togethers. I'm thinking about things like writing
congress-people about a specific issue, having and EFF membership
drive, having some civil disobedience to release public records...you
know, something real and not arm-chair politics. I don't know what
those specific goals might be and I'm not sure I even want to steer us
in a specific direction, but there's only so much we can learn sitting
around and talking to each other. Now, if we get a true expert in a
specific field, someone that isn't in Web608/Web414/OEMad, then that
could really be beneficial. There are some specific people from
Madison we've said might fill this role. I hope I haven't confused
matters. ;)

> I'm behind. So we aren't participating in the Global Open Everything Day? Cause for me that was the only reason to consider doing something on the 31
> October.

To me, I don't see a lot of difference in doing it on the 31st or the
1st. In Chapel Hill we did Software Freedom Day a day early and we
certainly didn't feel any less involved in the day. We were the only
group in North Carolina doing anything. It would be different if
Chicago, MKE, Twin Cities, Green Bay, etc were all having OE events,
but they aren't. We've got a monopoly in the western great lakes
region and certainly on Wisconsin. I think the conversations from the
day before can help us build momentum. If we have it in December,
that momentum is going to be lost. I'd *love* to have it on the 31st,
but I don't know that we can get people excited about an event that
they aren't attending and right now two of the more vocal people are
not going to be attending on the 31st. Sadly, I don't see a good
solution to this. We are just going to have to decide as a group what
is most important to us and go with that and bite the bullet about the
negatives of that decision.

[Andrew Fister]

I'd actually be more excited about attending on the 31st, with it
being Halloween. It would be cool to have a costume theme ;-)

On Sep 2, 2:21 pm, "Douglas A. Whitfield" <douglas...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Two for one deal on this e-mail.
>

[Douglas A. Whitfield]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Andrew Fister<tem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd actually be more excited about attending on the 31st, with it
> being Halloween. It would be cool to have a costume theme ;-)

I think we should see how things work out with the Pewaukee venue and
then revisit the actual date after we've heard back from them. Sound
good?

[Tom Scott]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Douglas A. Whitfield <dougl...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think we should see how things work out with the Pewaukee venue and
then revisit the actual date after we've heard back from them.  Sound
good?

you guys are great marketeers. i'm dying of curiosity to know what the pewaukee venue is. how much more of this suspense can i take? -- be brave. this too shall be revealed.

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