Re: [odspfireside: 52790 ] Digest for odspfireside@googlegroups.com - 15 updates in 3 topics
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Sarah
Jun 1, 2021, 1:09:25 PM6/1/21
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Hello everyone, I'm still here too.
Would love a better, easier to use forum though.
Sarah
~ It's not the mountain we conquer, but ourselves
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:16 PM <odspfi...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
- [odspfireside: 52743 ] Do you recall..... - 9 Updates
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- [odspfireside: 52776 ] Re: Income Limits - 4 Updates
L B <justic...@gmail.com>: May 31 06:34PM -0400
Heather,
It’s what I love to do… share valid information to help others. The system sucks. The least I can do is share useful knowledge to help another person.
I used to be part of an activist group for people on ODSP, but I got squeezed out. Even still, I learned a lot, so I’ll share the information.
These problems are systemic. We can’t fix them on our own. We can, however, help each other. That’s why I do what I do.
Some people don’t like me For my outspokenness, but who cares. I’m not going to leave people in the lurch.
Take care.
Louise
Scott Young <jesse....@hotmail.com>: May 31 10:41PM
Good for you Louise.
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Heather,
It’s what I love to do… share valid information to help others. The system sucks. The least I can do is share useful knowledge to help another person.
I used to be part of an activist group for people on ODSP, but I got squeezed out. Even still, I learned a lot, so I’ll share the information.
These problems are systemic. We can’t fix them on our own. We can, however, help each other. That’s why I do what I do.
Some people don’t like me For my outspokenness, but who cares. I’m not going to leave people in the lurch.
Take care.
Louise
On May 3, 2021, at 5:33 AM, 'Heather M.c.' via ODSP Fireside <odspfi...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
OMgosh Louise
Thanks so much for all that work it must have taken for you to find this.
It explains allot.
I am grateful for your help.
Heather
On Monday, May 3, 2021, 03:01:11 a.m. EDT, Louise <justic...@gmail.com> wrote:
Heather,
I just found this directive. It defines dependent adults: https://www.mcss.gov.on.ca/en/mcss/programs/social/directives/odsp/is/2_1_ODSP_ISDirectives.aspx<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcss.gov.on.ca%2Fen%2Fmcss%2Fprograms%2Fsocial%2Fdirectives%2Fodsp%2Fis%2F2_1_ODSP_ISDirectives.aspx&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5b6e52b540a34239dddd08d92484400e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637580972699623741%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=qno4Bpc352AR4nUPIQ7o23dxR%2BATJKOJWWKG0LGigjw%3D&reserved=0>
If I’m understanding you situation correctly, I think this paragraph will help you.
Election of Financially Independent Adult to be Treated as Dependent Adult
A person who is determined to be financially independent “permanently” or in any month can elect to have his/her budgetary requirements determined as a financially independent adult under Ontario Works, in their own right, or remain a dependent adult included in his/her parent’s ODSP benefit unit.
Financially independent adults who elect to be treated as dependent adults are included in the benefit unit of his/her parent. In these cases, the dependent adult is included when determining financial eligibility for the parent’s benefit unit. This means that the parent’s budgetary requirements are calculated including the dependent adult and the dependent adult’s income and assets are included when calculating income support for the benefit unit.
There are other details in this directive that might help you more clearly understand what happened. I hope it helps.
Louise
On Apr 30, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Heather M.c.' via ODSP Fireside <odspfi...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Louise
I haven't receive any correspondence of any kind from ODSP.
I can't seem to find anything in writing that would back me up.
It's about removing a dependent adult (my son) from my file. I support him financially 100%.
He is over 18, yet has a pretty serious mental illness.
He's housebound. Can't leave apt without severe anxieties.
He was given said status (because of paperwork we submitted) when my file was at one location. He even had a member ID #.
he had had that status for maybe 3 years now.
And now that my file is at this new location, she removed his status and money.
I appreciate your help.
Heather
On Friday, April 30, 2021, 03:07:53 p.m. EDT, L B <justic...@gmail.com> wrote:
Heather,
You probably got a letter saying you had an overpayment. Write on it - “I request an internal review” and send it right back to them. Double the message up by phone as well. Tell them you can’t afford to have them take that much away and then tell them to reference Directive 11.1.
Hopefully the worker will apologize and cut you another cheque.
If she doesn’t, ask to speak to the office manager. Failing that you might have to go to the Social Benefits Tribunal, but let’s hope not.
If they fight you contact the Community Legal Aid Clinic in your area. Use this link to find it: https://www.legalaid.on.ca/legal-clinics/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalaid.on.ca%2Flegal-clinics%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5b6e52b540a34239dddd08d92484400e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637580972699633737%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=NJRmfpIeT1MHJ8OUJAIB8OF89ClJsV8l90zgfYAyVgY%3D&reserved=0>
Good luck.
Louise
On Apr 30, 2021, at 2:57 PM, 'Heather M.c.' via ODSP Fireside <odspfi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:odspfi...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Yes Louise. She took the full amount $700 all at once.
No prior notice , nothing.
I'm grateful for your help.
Heather
On Friday, April 30, 2021, 01:44:34 p.m. EDT, L B <justic...@gmail.com<mailto:justic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Did she take the full $700 all at once? If she did, then that is a problem. See: https://www.mcss.gov.on.ca/documents/en/mcss/social/directives/odsp/income_Support/11_1.pdf<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcss.gov.on.ca%2Fdocuments%2Fen%2Fmcss%2Fsocial%2Fdirectives%2Fodsp%2Fincome_Support%2F11_1.pdf&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5b6e52b540a34239dddd08d92484400e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637580972699633737%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2XB9TleCTj%2FOXrERUlO3vLmFJxFiqFrysgtxrh6Sl60%3D&reserved=0>
I’ll find more details shortly and send them to you.
Louise
On Apr 30, 2021, at 1:23 PM, 'Heather M.c.' via ODSP Fireside <odspfi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:odspfi...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Hi Louise...
Maybe that's it.
I'm an oldie when it comes to being on ODSP and I seem to remember a booklet I got when I first was approved.
It contained the recipient's rights/responsibilities and the caseworkers rights/ responsibilities.
And I thought, on the caseworkers side, they were to do no undue harm (or hardship?)
My caseworker has taken back $700 off my cheq, which has caused me to not be able to afford my food for the month , nor afford the dressings I need for my leg ulcers.
We had a convo last Jan. Things she gave her word for, completely changed when I spoke to her yesterday.
Any advice would be welcomed.
Heather
On Friday, April 30, 2021, 07:26:39 a.m. EDT, L B <justic...@gmail.com<mailto:justic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Heather, do you mean undue hardship?
Louise
On Apr 30, 2021, at 6:25 AM, 'Heather M.c.' via ODSP Fireside <odspfi...@googlegroups.com<mailto:odspfi...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Hello all...
Does anyone remember what was written about 'undo harm" , as far as the rights of recipients
on ODSP?
I may not have phrased that correctly.
Take care
Heather
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L B <justic...@gmail.com>: May 31 05:18PM -0400
Sarah,
Asset limits have been increased to $40,000 for a single person, $50,000 for other benefit units. Exact details can be found here under the directive for “Definition and Treatment of Assets”: https://www.mcss.gov.on.ca/en/mcss/programs/social/directives/odsp/is/4_1_ODSP_ISDirectives.aspx
As for the monies received towards shelter, it’s not income. You didn’t work to earn it. Therefore don’t claim it that way.
I’d recommend giving your worker a statement from the retroactive cheque because it clearly defines what the money is for. That way they’ll have an explanation for the lump sum deposit.
There’s likely another directive talking about how to claim the housing benefit but I haven’t taken the time to look for it yet.
Perhaps someone else on this discussion board will know the answer and can share it here.
Any tips?
For now, you’ve at least got part of your answer.
Louise
L B <justic...@gmail.com>: May 31 05:20PM -0400
Wow…. My apologies. I’m just realizing that weeks worth of email just came in all at once. I replied to an email that others had taken care of. Sorry about that.
Louise
🐱 <kitte...@gmail.com>: May 31 05:55PM -0400
>Do I need to report this income? It's the Canadian Ontario Housing Benefit.
I think so, but I would call and ask, first the issuer of the cheque, then
ODSP. It's also available online if you look up ODSP income limits.
How much are we allowed to have in our bank account, because I think I'm
over the limit now. (Do I go on a shopping spree and get some things I
never really had the money for before now?)
$30k
Are we allowed to invest some of our money. If yes, do we have to report
that any money we've made from investments? (I sure hope not, because you'd
think they would want us to save some of our money. I need to have 3 crowns
done in the next year for my teeth, and that won't be covered, so I'd like
to save that money)
There's an allowable retirement account up to age 59. I'd get the crowns in
the first month.
Hope others have better answers.
Scott Young <jesse....@hotmail.com>: May 31 10:15PM
Anyone know anything about Ottawa and ODSP? Every municipality is different.
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Sarah,
Asset limits have been increased to $40,000 for a single person, $50,000 for other benefit units. Exact details can be found here under the directive for “Definition and Treatment of Assets”: https://www.mcss.gov.on.ca/en/mcss/programs/social/directives/odsp/is/4_1_ODSP_ISDirectives.aspx<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcss.gov.on.ca%2Fen%2Fmcss%2Fprograms%2Fsocial%2Fdirectives%2Fodsp%2Fis%2F4_1_ODSP_ISDirectives.aspx&data=04%7C01%7C%7C6c2d53160dba4fc8450e08d92479abe4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637580927250122799%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=KjLxro2JwMVs0V%2BzWfo2pvTk7QBhTPixjJN6PoxqoYk%3D&reserved=0>
As for the monies received towards shelter, it’s not income. You didn’t work to earn it. Therefore don’t claim it that way.
I’d recommend giving your worker a statement from the retroactive cheque because it clearly defines what the money is for. That way they’ll have an explanation for the lump sum deposit.
There’s likely another directive talking about how to claim the housing benefit but I haven’t taken the time to look for it yet.
Perhaps someone else on this discussion board will know the answer and can share it here.
Any tips?
For now, you’ve at least got part of your answer.
Louise
On May 4, 2021, at 10:06 PM, SW <stormwon...@gmail.com> wrote:
My apologies—it looks like you are within your rights to have this. From what I was told by many case workers, any money from the government is not deducted, but if you have a sizeable sum, you could be removed if it’s over the limit. I’m not sure what that limit is though as it would be based on your personal situation/dependants etc.
Best to ask your case worker.
On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 1:59:54 PM UTC-4 Jess.k wrote:
Hello everyone!
I received some money from the government, aside from ODSP payment, to go towards paying my rent. I ended up getting back pay for a year and one months rent paid in full.
A few Questions I have:
Do I need to report this income? It's the Canadian Ontario Housing Benefit.
How much are we allowed to have in our bank account, because I think I'm over the limit now. (Do I go on a shopping spree and get some things I never really had the money for before now?)
Are we allowed to invest some of our money. If yes, do we have to report that any money we've made from investments? (I sure hope not, because you'd think they would want us to save some of our money. I need to have 3 crowns done in the next year for my teeth, and that won't be covered, so I'd like to save that money)
Thank-you for the input!!
Sarah
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