Marriage and ODSP

[Colline]

A gentleman friend and I would like to get married.......
Both of us are on ODSP.......
I'm sure there will be a reduction .......does anyone have any info on
this?
thanks.......
Colline

[Charmaine Voisine]

As a married couple and both on ODSP you will receive 1 cheque... and the cheque will go into one of your names ....

 

Shelter amount of both on ODSP can be up to $672 for 2 Adults and more if you have additional people in the benefit unit.

 

Basic needs portion for 2 adults $1063.00

 

Charmaine

[Malcolm53]

Colline:

Before getting excited and thinking things are not that bad for getting married there is a BIG piece of information missing from Charmaine's post!!!!!

Ontario REGULATION 222/98 Section 30 subsection (2) puts an arbitrary cap on the total amounts payable to married couples.  We might as well talk in numbers as of Nov 1/06 as they will be in force before you make any marital changes.

Basic needs for double disabled = $1,085.00
Shelter for benefit unit size of 2 =     $686.00
Calculated total = $1,771.00
(this total does not include the $237.00 extra for those living above the 50th parallel)

Ontario REGULATION 222/98 Section 30 subsection (2) states that total amount paid to a recipient and his or her spouse for basic needs and shelter shall not exceed $1,640.00 clawing back $131.00 per month

The Basic Needs table in Ontario REGULATION 222/98 Section 30 subsection (1) allows for the fact that double disabled couples have a higher cost of living.  The shelter table sets out the maximum Shelter allowance.  Then they stick in this little subsection that wipes out most of the extra benefit given double disabled couples in  subsection (1).

Before we received RGTI housing Maggie and I were victims of this clawback.  This was also before I realized that this  should be a discrimination case.  I have been softly jabbing at this topic for the last couple of years but no one else seems to care about double disabled couples potentially loosing $131.00 per month.  If anyone is in this position currently I urge them to file a discrimination complaint.  Maybe if a number of recipients would file then this subject would be addressed and repealed.   We cannot file as the time frame had expired before realizing the potential.  My thoughts on why this should be a discrimination case revolve around the fact that Ontario REGULATION 222/98 Section 30 subsection (2) only affects married couples on ODSP where both parties are disabled and /or couples living above the 50th parallel.   This regulation discriminates on disability grounds and geographic location!

Malcolm
 

[Charmaine Voisine]

Malcolm, I do not understand what you mean about living above the 50th parallel?

and my husband and I are both disabled and we live in RGTI.

 

Charmaine

[Malcolm53]

50th parallel is a line of longitude north of the Canada/US border
which is set at the 49th parallel out west.

One must really live in the north to qualify for this extra benefit.
It also is used by the Ministry of Transportation for licensing.

Malcolm

[Terrie]

um Shelly are you reading my mind?

That would be the perfect set up for my relationship.

I am sure ODSP would require  onorus paperwork and would want any financial gains they could realize from this.

Terrie

On 16/10/06, shelly75 <shellyst...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Ok maybe wierd question as Im not married but what if two people chose
to get married but kept seperate residneces due to lifestyles being non
compatibale for fulltime living together?

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Terrie ( mocha...@gmail.com )

Satyagraha

[abrowne]

Would they both be on ODSP?  Or is one on ODSP and

the other not?  I've separated several times before from my

husband because when I worked in the past, I lost most

of my income living with him .  When I was separated, they

treated us a two separate "benefit units" though I wasn't a

benefit unit, but my income no longer affected his cheque.

As for those who CHOOSE to live apart, I would suspect

this would be the same, but they would have some explaining

to do as to why they are living apart as opposed to together,

esp. if they just got married.

A

shelly75 <shellyst...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Ok maybe wierd question as Im not married but what if two people chose

to get married but kept separate residences due to lifestyles being non
compatible for fulltime living together?

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[lynne *****sky]

Shelly, your question is not "weird".  Can you imagine the change in stats on the succes of  marriage if, 'INTER DEPENDANCE' were were acknowledged?

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From: "shelly75" <shellyst...@yahoo.ca>
Reply-To: odspfi...@googlegroups.com
To: "ODSP Fireside" <odspfi...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Reply: Re: Marriage and ODSP/ Malcolm
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:55:39 -0700

>
>Ok maybe wierd question as Im not married but what if two people chose

[ankl...@hotmail.com]

>Ok maybe wierd question as Im not married but what if two people chose
>to get married but kept seperate residneces due to lifestyles being non
>compatibale for fulltime living together?

Hello Shelly
This set up does sound like a dream for the female in a relationship not a
marriage. Two things come to mind from a male here. Marriage and seperate
residences is what you have to look forward to after 7 years with him as the
mariage falls apart. Marriage betwen two people means accepting what they
are and how they are. The whole package. Under one roof. Sharing duties and
responsibilities. Old school he cuts the grass takes out the garbage fixes
the cars. You do the washing, mending and cook. Now a days a more fair split
is better in my opinion. However if you want to live on your own or with a
child or two you already have great. Do not get married. If you are
concerened you do not want to pick up his clothes off the floor and hand the
towel back up in the bathroon and put the toilet seat back down or he will
just crowd your space or independance then he IS NOT FOR YOU! Send him back
home to mommy or a course in how grown men in the 2000 should behave and do
a fair share in a relationship.

Secondly the ODSP will not finacially support us now and no way in heavan
they would support two seperate residenses for a married couple. They would
view this a an arms lenght relatiojship-boyfreind-girl freind ONLY.

Do not get me wrong as I too see the upside to that sort of marriage. I was
married for 11 years and after two years assumed all the cooking, washing,
working, child rearing,car repairs, snow shoveling etc etc. I in fact had
two kids. One 2 years old and ond one 32 years old. She decided to just to
quit doing everything so she could sew and do crafts. The only thing of
interest to her. She would not change and I after 5 years of this woke up
and took my son and left and raised him till he was 18.
I had joint custody and went to a FB Hearing and won so that she and I both
had FULL BENIFITS from FB and my son one week with mom and one week with
dad. I was told i was the only man in Ontario that had full benifits as well
as the mom the "primary caregiver". I was not prepared to cut the child in
two so FB agrredd is was equal in all regards and I should not ne denied.
Beside the "act stated loosely" the rights are not specifically for or
excluded to the primary caregiver" .

I think two other families were granted full duplicate benifits until they
plugged that loop hole by simply refusing to recognize the act stated by
law. Must have been the beggining of CVR. You could always get married live
toigwether for a month. Seperate and then try the full benifits to both if
the children live one week with each. You would probably win one a human
rights code violation and by strict law of the act.

My advice is find a man that cleans up his laundry and even does it and
yours and cooks and cleans etc and you do other chores to have a harmony in
the house. I did it and I am a male and there are other that do. I always
wanted 6 kids and only had one. I have changed over 1,000 diapers too!
Good luck. Keep looking
Anklyo

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