the new diet and letter telling

[DON WALTERS]

got this in mail friday  i hope you can read these , they have left out 3 things i was getting a whole 10$ for, and when they take money off for a lottery my xwife won in 1996 , that 10 is a help to get food for my cronic bowel problems any way take care and a Happy New Year to all Donnie

[Annie]

On 01/01/2011 11:44 AM, DON WALTERS wrote:

got this in mail friday  i hope you can read these , they have left out 3 things i was getting a whole 10$ for, and when they take money off for a lottery my xwife won in 1996 , that 10 is a help to get food for my cronic bowel problems any way take care and a Happy New Year to all Donnie --

Thank You for this Donnie. it will help us all
Annie

[StarTears]

 that 10 is a help to get food for my cronic bowel problems any way take care and a Happy New Year to all Donnie

short bowel and chronic bowel or IBS is likely to be still included donnie.  when you read the form it says that there are conditions NOT listed on the form YET that will be considered and included at a later date.  

i'm fairly certain that one of the conditions getting the axe is constipation. however on the form they STILL have the double up on conditions.  most blatant is of course lactose intolerance and allergy-milk/dairy! uhh if  your doctor is going to check one off s/he can check them BOTH off.  

the other one is hypercholesterolemia and hyperlipidemia - they both mean you got a problem with your cholesterol.  its RARE you don't have high lipids when you have high cholesterol that you are being treated for it. so again, check both.

celiac disease by definition is a wheat allergy in short. so again, check both off.  i think the celiac one gives you the full amount though so you could be ok by qualifying there.  i know most of the wasting conditions give you the full amount.

from the looks of things i'm not going to be losing anything and possibly could be gaining full amount IF they are really going to be looking at the real medical conditions and giving proper amounts according to them.  diabetes- either type- should be an auto full amount condition.

anyways, thanks donnie for scanning the page and hopefully it gives folks a bit more of what to look at and for in this battle to come.  research what is listed on there.  get tested for the common conditions like high blood pressure.  KNOW that there is no test for lactose allergy or intolerance [everyone can qualify for that!!!!] the basic test for celiac disease is covered by OHIP and if you show signs of it on that round, you can get ODSP to pay for the next test [last check it was $100 for the next blood test].

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[Lorene]

Thx for posting for us to see it. I am getting money for 3 things and
I see it is still on the list, which is good news for me. I guess that
is a trip back to see the doctor to fill out the sheet all over again.

Lorene

On Jan 1, 11:44 am, DON WALTERS <docterdo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> got this in mail friday  i hope you can read these , they have left out 3 things i was getting a whole 10$ for, and when they take money off for a lottery my xwife won in 1996 , that 10 is a help to get food for my cronic bowel problems any way take care and a Happy New Year to all Donnie                                        
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[Puck S. Cub]

Not knowing what my doctor signed off on for mine, I can't say for
certain one way or the other what i"ll be loosing, but from the looks
of the list, it looks like And unless they add back abunch of things,
not yet listed, i'mma gonna have to start hunting food banks, and
eating alot of stone soup.

I too noticed the "doubling up" of 'conditions' (Celiac/wheat,
Lactose/Dairy, etc) and am thinking to myself "do these people know
nothing? are they really just blind ignorant contractors who aren't
even trained in social work running these offices?"

Perhaps those of us who have some training in office
management/secretarial and/or medical should apply for jobs in the
ODSP offices, that way, we can at least guarantee to have a some
people who have some idea about what some of these things do to for
people...

I also "like" (not) their statement "Stronger tracking methods will
help make sure people receiving the allowance are eligible for it."
... thats like saying "Oh sorry, we were too lazy to actually make
sure the people who signed the documents were doctors/liscenced so
theres we think/believe too many people recieving the benefit that
shouldn't be. And if there isn't, well then we still feel there are
too many people recieving it cause there can't be that many people in
the province with these conditions." oh well.

Truth spoken is often ignored, because it seems to impossible or
improbably to be believed without relevant personal experience to
support it. Staying blind to facts, figures and reality will keep a
false illusion in place, long after the substance behind it has been
used up.

When will ODSP's bubble burst I wonder?

[benjer weigl]

I hear you on that one. first i got diet from from my new case worker to get filled out. and then i get a 2nd letter for the director of odsp steindecker saying they will send me antoher revised form in feb so i have to get filled out.  so jan i have to get new speical diet form filled out and then feb i have to get renewed diet form fill out.

> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 00:19:50 -0500
> Subject: Re: [odspfireside: 33630 ] the new diet and letter telling
> From: puc...@gmail.com
> To: odspfi...@googlegroups.com

>
> Not knowing what my doctor signed off on for mine, I can't say for
> certain one way or the other what i"ll be loosing, but from the looks

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[Uppity Woman]

You usually get 90 days to get the form filled out. I suggest asking your caseworker if it can wait until  you get the new forms.   Uppity       -------Original Message-------

[Bill Higgs]

A couple of thing that really surprises and scares me, the list seems to be
incomplete and has as has been pointed out what appears to be duplicate
conditions,

I am much more more interested in what has been removed and what has been
added (if anyone knows this) and what the condionst are worth dollar wise

Sure would be great if anyone has this info

and I am still questioning what happened to the whole " the program will be
administered by the ministry of health" thing

Something seems amiss, which really frightens me

Bill

[abrowne]

Bill, we have not got the new list with money values attached,

but we heard that for the "included" conditions, some will be

higher, and there might be a Northern subsidy.

 

The Ministry of Health will not be running it, likely for the

reasons I stated earlier, e.g. their lack of transfer mechanism

to hand over cash payments to individuals, as well as the cost

of setting up a new bureaucratic appartus to handle this.

Angela

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From: Bill Higgs <bill...@xplornet.ca>
To: odspfi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 10:18:34 PM
Subject: Re: [odspfireside: 33644 ] the new diet and letter telling

[Bill Higgs]

I agree Angela, if you are lucky enought ot be gifted 6000 all is well, but if you work to make 6000 they are gonna hack 50% off, Not only is it ridiculous its criminal

 

Bill

 

 

[Bill Higgs]

Did I miss the list and the dollar amounts?

 

My email does funny things at time

 

Bill

[StarTears]

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Bill Higgs <bill...@xplornet.ca> wrote:

A couple of thing that really surprises and scares me, the list seems to be incomplete and has as has been pointed out what appears to be duplicate conditions,

bill

the duplicate conditions were on the last set of revised forms that went out in the past 5 years.  its just whether or not your doctor was willing or even NOTICED that they were there and checked them off for you.

as i said, it was an easy way to add up an extra $50 or so bucks to your SPA just by checking off the same conditions or ones that go hand in hand.  my doctor was utterly laughing when he looked at the form.  he was NOT dismayed or even put off by signing his name on the form with every single duplicate AND triplicate condition checked off.  he even wrote down ON the form whether they realized that they were such.  nothing has ever been said about it- and he was the kind of guy who would have told me about it if something was brought up about it.

he fought to get me every penny possible out of the unfair system he could.  every form i brought he would go over with a fine toothpick to get anything from it.  we did the special diet form for two hours to see what every possible definition of every condition they had listed and if there was ANY possible way i could maybe remotely fall under any definition of ALL of them.  the funniest one we tried to manuver was the pancreatic insufficiency angle.  by those words alone, yes i suffer from a pancreatic insufficiency. however the definition on the MCSS guide i don't by any kind of persuading of the terms but boy we had fun with that one.  as far as my doctor was concerned, if every case worker is permitted so much lattitude with interpetation of the rules of ODSP in general then he was permitted the same allowance with his medical expertise to THEIR guidelines as well on any form given.  if he had all the info he could interpet it how he so chose.  

the key and blessing of course is finding a doctor who thinks that way and is WILLING to work that way with you.  if they really understand the plight of us, they are not as few and far between.  one of the easier ways to find someone like this is to see if your doctor is one who practices with the doctors without borders organization.  they are by far some of the best doctors for bedside manner and willing to work WITH not against you.

just some thinks on the whole thing.  its the not knowing that is causing the most panic and they KNOW this.  honestly from what i am seeing now, its not going to be that big a change for those of us on the system ligit. more will be included in different ways and i recall that the form WAS paid by OHIP and ODSP.  docs tend to not mind getting money to fill out a form then.

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[DON WALTERS]

Bill here are the letter i got on friday withthe list of what they will allow its missing quite a few Don
 

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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 23:46:30 -0500

Did I miss the list and the dollar amounts?

 

My email does funny things at time

 

Bill

 

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[Bill Higgs]

Thanks so much DON for posting it

 

Bill

 

 

[T Spa]

What do we do about this new special diet form, if we dont have a family doctor ?

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Subject: RE: [odspfireside: 33631 ] the new diet and letter telling
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:59:11 +0000

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[abrowne]

Do you see ANYBODY about any of your medical conditions?
Registered nurses, extended class?  Dietician?  Specialist?

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From: T Spa <tspaff...@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 9:16:19 PM
Subject: RE: [odspfireside: 33715 ] the new diet and letter telling

[Bill Higgs]

That is a very good question, many people are relying on walk in clinics for their needs because they dont have a regular physician,

 

Seems the governement forgot about that, also many Doctors charge for filling out forms, do they not?

 

Bill

[Puck S. Cub]

try for a Day Clinic, E.R. visit, or pray you can get an appointment
on your own with a specialist.

Also, as with some other documentation, they may allow Nurse
Practitioners to fill out the form (or they may not... as is to be
determined in the future)... Also, if its like the last ones,
Nutritionists and (forgotten what the other practitioner was that was
allowed to fill it out) but there should be some options/allowances
made. Just theoretically they should be double checking to make sure
the signatory is a liscenced practitioner etc..

[benjer weigl]

Have the ISS (income support specialists) now been replaced by stritcly case workers or am I missing something.

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[T Spa]

Not since My heart surgery 5 years ago. They ( the clinic doctors)kept altering my meds and i was really messed up. So I stopped taking them.
Havent been to a doctor since my rehab

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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 19:12:48 -0800
From: browne...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [odspfireside: 33718 ] the new diet and letter telling
To: odspfi...@googlegroups.com

[StarTears]

That is a very good question, many people are relying on walk in clinics for their needs because they dont have a regular physician,

 

Seems the governement forgot about that, also many Doctors charge for filling out forms, do they not?

 

Bill

 

walk-in clinic doctors would not likely qualify to fill this one out because they have no personal relationship to you.  you'd be put on a target list.  don't risk it.

http://www.cpso.on.ca/docsearch/

use this site to find where in your city, town etc has doctors available/who is accepting patients.  they likely do NOT advertise.  if your cousin is in with a GP you can very likely get in with that GP on that basis [there has been an unspoken mandate with practicing GP's due to shortage that immediate family members must be admitted so maybe not your cousin but your kids or parent's GP] 

the form has a coded pay on it so they get paid to fill it out.  like the MSN form has a coded gov't pay of $25 to fill each one out so whoever fills it out just waits to get the money from it nor can they charge you more for doing it.

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[Dave M]

Y, I will have my allergy specialist send the test results to them . ....

[Uppity Woman]

How did they get them filled out the first time?   No, doctors cannot charge the patient for filling out these forms - they do get paid by the province for doing it.   Uppity     -------Original Message-------

From: Bill Higgs Date: 06/01/2011 8:35:16 AM To: odspfi...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [odspfireside: 33722 ] the new diet and letter telling

[Darren M]

some doctors do charge for forms some dont.   Our doctor dosent, but my old doctor did for the medical form for odsp,  he was the only doctor that did charge me.  I called odsp and they said Its up to the doctor.  They said they are paid to treat us and fill out the paper work for getting paid for that,  But when it comes to odsp papers its there choice.

Uppity your doctor may not charge for forms but some do. i dont think its right but they do charge

-------Original Message-------   From: Bill Higgs Date: 06/01/2011 8:35:16 AM To: odspfi...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [odspfireside: 33722 ] the new diet and letter telling   That is a very good question, many people are relying on walk in clinics for their needs because they dont have a regular physician,   Seems the governement forgot about that, also many Doctors charge for filling out forms, do they not?   Bill

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[Uppity Woman]

It's my understanding they cannot charge for forms if they are already
getting paid for them. ODSP pays them to fill out it's forms - I think it's
$25, plus they get the OHIP fee for the visit.

Uppity



-------Original Message-------

From: Darren M
Date: 08/01/2011 12:49:09 AM
To: odspfi...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [odspfireside: 33756 ] the new diet and letter telling


Some doctors do charge for forms some don't. Our doctor dosent, but my old

doctor did for the medical form for odsp, he was the only doctor that did
charge me. I called odsp and they said Its up to the doctor. They said they
are paid to treat us and fill out the paper work for getting paid for that,
But when it comes to odsp papers its there choice.

Uppity your doctor may not charge for forms but some do. I don't think its

[Lorene]

I don't recall if the place where I got the special diet allowance
form filled out if there was a charge or something 2 and half years
ago. My former doctor would not fill out for me. He said to me one
time in an angry voice, "Do not ask me to fill out the form. I get
requests every week from other patients." What the heck? I never said
a word when I left his office and didn't ask or bug him again for a
long time. So I was without getting the Special Diet Allowance for a
long time til 2 and half years ago when I was without my doctor (he
quit without giving us notice to his patients). I was able to go to a
medical centre (not a walk in clinic).This one was different and a
person who works in the office there was a friend of my son and his
wife. She managed to get me a referral for me to come in less than 3
weeks after getting accepted as a patient because at the time I didn't
have no doctor. The Nurse Practitioner filled the form for me. She
faxed over for me free of charge and I got accepted to receive SDA in
the next month's cheque. I have a family doctor now and no he is not
located at the Medical Centre, but elsewhere in a different part of
the city in London. I still go to the Medical Centre once or twice a
year for other medical problems. I am thinking of going back this
spring when I get the new SDA form in the mail and get it filled out
again.

Lorene

[Bill Higgs]

has anyone received the new form/letter to get filled out by their doctor? it is february after all

 

Bill

 

 

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[Sylvie Duggan]

no I havent  yet either, my girlfriend hasnt received hers either. that is the government for you. I am still waiting to see if I am going to get back money from when they put me on my husbands check, OW, then went on to ODSP as his spouse. sylvie

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[Cindy S-C]

no, not yet.