Re: Dependent-Adult - 18 yrs. old
ravenmonkey
I don't understand all this. I am 31 now, so my experience was quite a
few years ago. I am an only child. My mother's sole source of income
was ODSP. When I graduated from high school, I got a bursary for 4
years to go to University, plus OSAP. All my mother had to do was show
proof that I was in school full time and she got her FULL check until I
turned 21. Maybe the rules have changed since then.
-Candice
Bette Hawley wrote:
> Hi everyone - We received a notification letter today re our son who just
> turned 18. It said:
>
> - For you to continue to receive ODSP, your dependent adult must:
>
>
> - Meet with an Ontario Works worker to complete a participation
> agreement (plan for their schooling, training, or employment)
>
>
> - Report any earnings/training income that they receive each month.
> Although they must report this income, it will not affect your allowance if
> they are attending high school. Verification of the dependent adult's
> earnings and/or proof of school attendance must be sent to the ODSP office
> no later than June 1, 2006.
>
>
> - Advise ODSP if they have over $536.00 at any time (this would
> include money in bank accounts, investments, etc.) The ODSP drug card will
> continue to cover prescription drugs for your dependent adult. They will
> need to apply at the Ontario Works Office if they need dental work, vision
> care (eyeglasses) or hearing aids.
>
> We never received a notification of mandatory OW participation for our other
> son and the fiasco which ensued. NOTE: That the D-A must declare if he/she
> has over $536.00 in their bank account. I'm reiterating a point here which
> I've made many times before and that is: When a kid is 16 - 18, they can
> save all the money they want to go to university. However, ODSP then uses
> those savings when they turn 18 to say: WHOOPS - you have over $536.00 in
> your Savings Account - GUESS you don't qualify for ODSP anymore. In fact,
> you are violating ONE of the rules - you're now OFF the system.
>
> This is the month when we will remove our 18-yr. old son, even though he
> still has a month of high school left to complete. He will attend
> university in the Fall, but obviously won't have any ODSP medical coverage
> for the summer months. I/We will NOT have ODSP have 'THEIR hands in his
> pocket' over the summer time. I certainly hope they won't continue
> deducting the NCBS from our cheque now that we no longer receive the
> benefit. Also I/we would never allow ODSP to 'INTERVIEW' our son, using
> their very manipulative, well-honed abusive techniques.
>
> So, we'd better get a move on, because WE won't receive a cheque at the end
> of the month if we don't COMPLY with their RULES!!!! - Bette
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> Hi everyone - We received a notification letter today re our son who just turned 18. It said: <br><ul><li> For you to continue to receive ODSP, your dependent adult must:<br></li></ul><ul><li>Meet with an Ontario Works worker to complete a participation agreement (plan for their schooling, training, or employment)
> <br></li></ul><ul><li>Report any earnings/training income that they receive each month. Although they must report this income, it will not affect your allowance if they are attending high school. Verification of the dependent adult's earnings and/or proof of school attendance must be sent to the ODSP office no later than June 1, 2006.
> <br></li></ul><ul><li>Advise ODSP if they have over $536.00 at any time (this would include money in bank accounts, investments, etc.) The ODSP drug card will continue to cover prescription drugs for your dependent adult. They will need to apply at the Ontario Works Office if they need dental work, vision care (eyeglasses) or hearing aids.
> </li></ul>We never received a notification of mandatory OW participation for our other son and the fiasco which ensued. NOTE: That the D-A must declare if he/she has over $536.00 in their bank account. I'm reiterating a point here which I've made many times before and that is: When a kid is 16 - 18, they can save all the money they want to go to university. However, ODSP then uses those savings when they turn 18 to say: WHOOPS - you have over $536.00 in your Savings Account - GUESS you don't qualify for ODSP anymore. In fact, you are violating ONE of the rules - you're now OFF the system.
> <br><br>This is the month when we will remove our 18-yr. old son, even though he still has a month of high school left to complete. He will attend university in the Fall, but obviously won't have any ODSP medical coverage for the summer months. I/We will NOT have ODSP have 'THEIR hands in his pocket' over the summer time. I certainly hope they won't continue deducting the NCBS from our cheque now that we no longer receive the benefit. Also I/we would never allow ODSP to 'INTERVIEW' our son, using their very manipulative, well-honed abusive techniques.
> <br><br>So, we'd better get a move on, because WE won't receive a cheque at the end of the month if we don't COMPLY with their RULES!!!! - Bette<br>
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Lorene
goiong to be 18 as long as he is still school, but he will have to be
forced to participate OW job search. My son had to do the same thing
and he was still covered in my drug card until he left home at almost
age 20 (he was going on 20 in 3 weeks when he moved out). I had no
problems having him on ODSP and he was working part time and was
allowed to be on my ODSP coverage as long as he didn't make too much
money and he had to be on OW job search at the same time, too to obey
their rules.
Hayesy
still in school or doing a job search.
Lisa
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Ugly Person
-----Original Message-----> Hi everyone - We received a notification letter today re our son who just turned 18. It said:
From: odspfi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:odspfi...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Bette Hawley
Sent: Monday May 15, 2006 11:09
To: odspfi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Reply: Dependent-Adult - 18 yrs. old
- For you to continue to receive ODSP, your dependent adult must:
- Advise ODSP if they have over $536.00 at any time (this would include money in bank accounts, investments, etc.) The ODSP drug card will continue to cover prescription drugs for your dependent adult. They will need to apply at the Ontario Works Office if they need dental work, vision care (eyeglasses) or hearing aids.
> We never received a notification of mandatory OW participation for our other son and the fiasco which ensued. NOTE: That the D-A must> declare if he/she has over $536.00 in their bank account. I'm reiterating a point here which I've made many times before and that is: When a kid> is 16 - 18, they can save all the money they want to go to university. However, ODSP then uses those savings when they turn 18 to say:> WHOOPS - you have over $536.00 in your Savings Account - GUESS you don't qualify for ODSP anymore. In fact, you are violating ONE of> the rules - you're now OFF the system.
Sad but typical. I got a surprise letter recently from ODSP proudly announcing that I had been cut off. I responded promptly with a request for an internal review which in turn was answered with an urgent phone call from my case worker.She stated that I hadn't submitted my earnings card. I did, but it was late. I haven't had earnings since December anyhow.She said that because of this, the letter was automatically issued. I had said that I wanted to speak to the person whose signature was on the bottom. Apparently:- he is in Toronto (I'm in Barrie)- he dutifully signs or stamps them without acknowledgement- he probably wouldn't be able to deal with my complaint anywayWell he shouldn't be letting his name get on my letter. That's like some silly lawsuits I see now and then,"The 'Queen' vs.. Joe Blow". If I were sued, I would want the Queen herself present or demand that charges be dropped.Regardless I made it clear that I did not appreciate the forgery and I was told that because it was an automated gaffe, that it would be fixed. We shall see. Then there's the review they did. I was told of all the documents I had to produce. I still don't have the bank statements - my bank doesn't issue them automatically. It will cost me - and ODSP will not reimburse me despite it being THEM who wants it. I told them I'm waiting on them and they agreed to wait although I anticipate another "cut off" threat in the meantime.THAT DOES NOT CONCERN YOULet's get back to the issue at hand. your son. So he can't have more than $536.00 in assets. YOU can. And remember - you didn't hear this from me, or anyone for that matter.Open an account in YOUR name and hand the bank card over to him. His money, your name. Nobody will ever know unless you have it in both your names (don't) or if someone from the Ministry is reading this message, then it's all shot to hell. I do not know if this insane idea will work, but it's worth a try at your own discretion.Good luck!
abrowne
I don't understand all this. I am 31 now, so my experience was quite a
few years ago. I am an only child. My mother's sole source of income
was ODSP. When I graduated from high school, I got a bursary for 4
years to go to University, plus OSAP. All my mother had to do was show
proof that I was in school full time and she got her FULL check until I
turned 21. Maybe the rules have changed since then.
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abrowne
my sisters daughter was still covered after she turned 18 as long as she was
still in school or doing a job search.
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----- Original Message -----From: Bette HawleySent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:33 PMSubject: Reply: Re: Dependent-Adult - 18 yrs. oldHi Candice, Lorene & Sue - Yes, our son could continue to be on our benefit cheque, provided he's registered with OW and then his part-time earnings would be deducted from our cheque. There is a whole human rights issue connected with what ODSP calls a 'Dependent-Adult'. Our son will be going to university in the Fall and he'll be getting some OSAP loans. Under OSAP, he will be considered a D-A, because he's under the age of 24, going to university and has never lived away from home. He will not receive room & board from OSAP because he's living at home. OSAP understands the term 'Dependent-Adult'.
ODSP on the other hand, says that a university student can be a Dependent-Adult, only they'll have to fork over their part-time earnings to ODSP, which will in turn dock their parent's ODSP cheque. Let's say the amount we get for our son's portion is $170. mth. With ODSP docking our cheque because of his earnings, we could be deducted MORE than the $170. we get a month for his upkeep. Also, under the McGuinty government, a child up to the age of 18 can have over $500. in assets in their bank account. That could include monies that Grandma and Grandpa have given them over the years to save for university and also include their part-time earnings. Don't all parents try to teach their kids how to save their money (now I'm sounding like that TV ad)? But once the kid reaches 18, if the kid has over $536.00 in his bank account, ODSP will cut him off, saying that he is over the 'asset level'.
The other lie about university students being allowed to be Dependent-Adults under the ODSP system is that OSAP always deposits a portion of the kid's student loan into their bank account, which in ALL cases will bring them over the allowable asset level of $536.00. This is ENTRAPMENT!
Add to that the delicious and wonderful INTERVIEWS that the kid has to undergo while remaining a 'ward' of ODSP. ODSP will scrutinize their bank accounts, demand EVERY pay stub, haul them down for yet another INTERVIEW, scare the living daylights out of them as if they were being interrogated by a cop for a crime they may or may not have committed. NO THANKS.
Today, we FAXed ODSP and told them to remove our still-in-high school 18-yr. old and to stop their ILLEGAL clawback of our NCBS, which we won't be receiving in the first place. Our other son who just finished university was interrogated by ODSP last year and it was as though I had witnessed the torture of my son. From that awful 'learning curve' I now say: OVER MY DEAD BODY WILL YOU HAVE ACCESS TO MY OTHER SON.
We will survive and the LESS I have to do with the Ottawa ODSP office the better. Our son will have his integrity and privacy back and we will function as a family once again. This nightmare has taken its toll on me over the past year and I have zero tolerance for anything to do with ODSP as pertains to our family. I can read the posts on the Fireside site with interest, but when it comes down to a personal level, it turns me inside out. I find dealing with ODSP 'TOXIC' to my soul. Like right now, I keep putting my hands over my face and rubbing my eyes and brow out of stress and exasperation. I'll go and lie down and try to get this stress out of my system. Again, I find ODSP's tactics very sadistic and perverse to the EXTREME. Thanks for your responses - Bette
abrowne
I have just written to ODSP and told them to remove my dependant adult son from my check as he went to school for 3 weeks and quit.He has no job and now I will get nothing at the end of the month for him.
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ravenmonkey
high school. I got jobs specifically geared for students whose parents
were on assistance. I forget what the program is called now. Once I was
out of school,(dropped out) I got welfare while still living with her,
( no longer under 21) and we split the bills. No one ever questioned my
bank accounts.
Patricia Duck
----- Original Message -----From: Bette HawleySent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:47 AMSubject: Reply: Re: Dependent-Adult - 18 yrs. old
Hi Pat - You are experiencing some of the same dilemmas we are going through. I think you did the right thing by removing your son as a Dependent-Adult, because if he remained as one, his part-time earnings over and above the EXEMPTED portion, would come off YOUR cheque. So, in addition to your losing most or all of your Diet Allowance, you'd most likely face bankruptcy if your son's earnings were to be deducted from your cheque. You would not see any of money that your son would earn, because it's his money, but you would 'pay the price' for his working. ODSP has you coming or going.
If your son continues to live with you, ODSP will tack on another deduction from your cheque - Room & Board, the amount at their discretion. If your son isn't working or just scraping by, tell ODSP that he's not paying you anything. The minimum amount they'll deduct is approx. $100. a month. Even if your son was paying you Room & Board, you wouldn't see any of it, because ODSP would snatch it all. It creates such tension in the household, because by that time you will be stretched financially to the MAX. As a family, you may or may not work it out. As for myself, it has an acute effect on my mental health - depression, outbursts, isolating myself in my room, anger - you name it.
I swear to God that ODSP must be modelled after Corrections Canada penal system. After one has been on it for awhile and abided by all their stupid, silly rules, it's like one has done a 20-yr. stint in jail - branding and all!
Pat, like I said, I think you did the right thing by removing your son as a D-A. At least he will have his integrity and privacy intact. In our case, we will lose approx. $170. a mth for his upkeep (not exactly sure of the amount), plus we will only get a Shelter Allowance for 2 people, leaving less money to pay for utilities, plus ODSP might lop off $100. for Room & Board, even though our son is still in high school. ODSP should stop deducting the NCBS off our cheque, so we'll be up some on that account. However, because our son is now 18, we'll lose the Child Tax Credit completely. It will be interesting to see what the final figures will be, because, after all, ODSP has the use of 'discretion' when it comes to Room & Board. Fun, huh?
ODSP does not work to keep the family together - it strives to drive them apart!
All the best - Bette
Patricia Duck
----- Original Message -----From: abrowneSent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:48 AMSubject: Reply: Re: Dependent-Adult - 18 yrs. old
wayne hayes
Ugly Person <ug...@frightenstein.com> wrote:
I don't know exactly who your to advidse anyone to commit a fraud, this is the very reason that ODSP continues to harass us claiming that they are attempting to prevent fraud. I believe you are trying to be helpful, but in fact this is the very thing that continues to put us back into the dark ages, and infact your advice can and might be traced thru the E-Mail tracing system.Wayne
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Lorene
Bette , I was never deducted from my ODSP everytime I handed in my
son's paycheque to OW every two weeks. As long as he did not make over
$520 from his part time job (at the time 3 years ago), I was told I
will not be deducted and they never ever did deduct from me. My son
even got tips from working at the bar/grill place he worked. He wasn't
getting OW cheque, just that he was forced to participate OW job search
and he was still covered under my ODSP benefit at the same rate as I
always have got along with his deceased father's CPP children's
benefit, even though he was a "Dependent Adult" and his name was on the
drug card but not on the dental card as they cut that out as soon as
your kids turned 18. I had to hand in his school report cards every 3
months along with a list of places and addresses and dates where he
dropped resumes off. So far no problems at all did OW or ODSP ever
cause me any. Whew!!!
Lorene
Patricia Duck
----- Original Message -----From: Bette HawleySent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:26 AMSubject: Reply: Re: Dependent-Adult - 18 yrs. old
Hi Pat - I also live in subsidized housing. We have fought the issue in this way. We are already being dinged once by ODSP (when our daughter lived here) for Room and Board, therefore there will be no 'double-dipping'. Same thing for my earnings. My earnings are deducted by ODSP; our co-op only wants the Shelter component of our ODSP cheque. There is no 'double-dipping' on that account either. That's the way it's done in our co-op. - Bette
abrowne
Hi Pat - I also live in subsidized housing. We have fought the issue in this way. We are already being dinged once by ODSP (when our daughter lived here) for Room and Board, therefore there will be no 'double-dipping'. Same thing for my earnings. My earnings are deducted by ODSP; our co-op only wants the Shelter component of our ODSP cheque.
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abrowne
Bette , I was never deducted from my ODSP everytime I handed in my
son's paycheque to OW every two weeks. As long as he did not make over
$520 from his part time job (at the time 3 years ago), I was told I
will not be deducted and they never ever did deduct from me. My son
even got tips from working at the bar/grill place he worked.
Karin
low paying job, they're o.k. That's what OW/ODSP wants, an average
joe kid. If the D-A (and parent(s) ) want to create a better future
for their over 18 child, you get punished by obscene regulations. I
remember my son receiving OSAP at 20. No money for room and board, not
for food either. Just for the tuition and books. It was rough, he was
working p.t. He then got very sick with Bell's Palsy. By Dr.s
orders, he had to quit his p.t. job, interrupt his Radio/TV course at
Senaca College. He refused to go on welfare because of their attitude.
I paid for his very expensive drugs out of my combination welfare, EI
money. We both lived on that money using foodbanks also. I remember
those days, horrible. Had he wanted to go on welfare, he was too sick
to even go to their office. His left side was totally paralized. I
was limping around with a broken ankle and a cast up to my knees.
The welfare office staff made me go to the front desk 5 times even
though I could barely stand, let alone walk. Sadistic? You bet. It
must take a certain individual who gets hired by the appropriately
named SS.
I have put all this in the back of my mind, but reading your posts,
even though your situation is different from what I went through, you
wonder how you survive, we do, don't we. I cannot offer you advice
except encouragement. Your sons are going to be fine just as mine and
the other 30 guys and girls my son grew up with in the Ont. Hous. Bldg.
we lived in, A L L 30, including my son, all in their late 30's are
today university educated successful young people. The guys get
together every June for a game of touch football, done that for 20 yrs.
now. They own homes, have families. Funny enough some of the
mothers/parents still live in the same bldg. (Now roach infested, in
dire need of repairs).
I will be receiving OAS/CPP/GIS in three years. Would it be a good
idea to send the local ODSP office a farewell card????? It's so sad,
it is almost funny.
I would not let my kid go through the SS reviews/interviews along with
their views on what to do and not to do. Humiliating. I was glad we
struggled. My son at 23, moved out, applied for OSAP - finished his
education, and lives happily ever after, hopefully a healthy life
without ever to have to turn to ODSP.
Had to get this off my chest. Sorry all.
Karin
Bette Hawley wrote:
> Hi Wayne - I am very well-acquainted with all the facts surrounding the
> Dependent-Adult issues that we are undergoing and have undergone. Up to
> the age of 18, a kid is allowed to have X number of dollars - let's say for
> arguments sake - $5,000. What is the kid going to do once he reaches 18? I
> have been most specific to ODSP and laid it out before them. 'What should
> my son do? (1) Open up two bank accounts, or (2) Take their cash out and
> stuff it under their pillow.'
>
> I'm not the one who is 'setting up the game'. The game is called
> ENTRAPMENT. ODSP claims, very righteously, I might add, that a young adult
> may be a Dependent-Adult, remain at home and attend university. HOWEVER,
> OSAP (Ontario Student Loan) always deposits a portion of the student loan
> into the kid's bank account, INSTANTLY bringing the kid's asset level well
> over the $536. allowable. I reiterate, this is ENTRAPMENT! This is a human
> rights issue and centers around whether ODSP is encouraging families to
> remain together to allow the kid to receive an education WITHIN THE
> FAMILIE'S FINANCIAL MEANS, or if their intention is to break the family
> apart. In our case, it tore us apart in more ways than I can count.
>
> On another issue of assets - before my husband went on ODSP, we had assets,
> monies his Mother WILLED him in her estate. We had to spend down those
> assets in order to get on ODSP. Now, I wonder how many people out there -
> in the same boat as we were - either spent their money frivolously, or took
> it all out in cash and hid it under their beds. The whole system is foolish
> to the EXTREME. Once one's assets are gone, one will never get them back on
> ODSP. I have a filing cabinet of cases I've worked on concerning issues
> that we've had to address while being on the SYSTEM. I am a direct, frank
> and honest person. I find ODSP corrupt, vicious and punitive. The
> difference is palpable! - Bette
>
>
> On 5/16/06, wayne hayes <wayn...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > *Ugly Person <ug...@frightenstein.com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* odspfi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > odspfi...@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of *Bette Hawley
> > *Sent:* Monday May 15, 2006 11:09
> > *To:* odspfi...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Reply: Dependent-Adult - 18 yrs. old
> >
> > > Hi everyone - We received a notification letter today re our son who
> > just turned 18. It said:
> >
> > - For you to continue to receive ODSP, your dependent adult must:
> > - Advise ODSP if they have over $536.00 at any time (this would
> > *THAT DOES NOT CONCERN YOU*
> > **
> > Let's get back to the issue at hand. your son. So he can't have more
> > than $536.00 in assets. YOU can. And remember - you didn't hear this from
> > me, or anyone for that matter.
> >
> > Open an account in YOUR name and hand the bank card over to him. His
> > money, your name. Nobody will ever know unless you have it in both your
> > names (don't) or if someone from the Ministry is reading this message, then
> > it's all shot to hell. I do not know if this insane idea will work, but
> > it's worth a try at your own discretion.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > I don't know exactly who your to advidse anyone to commit a fraud, this is
> > the very reason that ODSP continues to harass us claiming that they are
> > attempting to prevent fraud. I believe you are trying to be helpful, but in
> > fact this is the very thing that continues to put us back into the dark
> > ages, and infact your advice can and might be traced thru the E-Mail tracing
> > system.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
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> Hi Wayne - I am very well-acquainted with all the facts surrounding the Dependent-Adult issues that we are undergoing and have undergone. Up to the age of 18, a kid is allowed to have X number of dollars - let's say for arguments sake - $5,000. What is the kid going to do once he reaches 18? I have been most specific to ODSP and laid it out before them. 'What should my son do? (1) Open up two bank accounts, or (2) Take their cash out and stuff it under their pillow.'
> <br><br>I'm not the one who is 'setting up the game'. The game is called ENTRAPMENT. ODSP claims, very righteously, I might add, that a young adult may be a Dependent-Adult, remain at home and attend university. HOWEVER, OSAP (Ontario Student Loan) always deposits a portion of the student loan into the kid's bank account, INSTANTLY bringing the kid's asset level well over the $536. allowable. I reiterate, this is ENTRAPMENT! This is a human rights issue and centers around whether ODSP is encouraging families to remain together to allow the kid to receive an education WITHIN THE FAMILIE'S FINANCIAL MEANS, or if their intention is to break the family apart. In our case, it tore us apart in more ways than I can count.
> <br><br>On another issue of assets - before my husband went on ODSP, we had assets, monies his Mother WILLED him in her estate. We had to spend down those assets in order to get on ODSP. Now, I wonder how many people out there - in the same boat as we were - either spent their money frivolously, or took it all out in cash and hid it under their beds. The whole system is foolish to the EXTREME. Once one's assets are gone, one will never get them back on ODSP. I have a filing cabinet of cases I've worked on concerning issues that we've had to address while being on the SYSTEM. I am a direct, frank and honest person. I find ODSP corrupt, vicious and punitive. The difference is palpable! - Bette
> <br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/16/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">wayne hayes</b> <<a href="mailto:wayn...@yahoo.ca">wayn...@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> <div><span class="e" id="q_10b40605063d2921_0"><br><br><b><i>Ugly Person <<a href="mailto:ug...@frightenstein.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ug...@frightenstein.com</a>></i>
> </b> wrote: </span></div><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <blockquote></blockquote>
> </blockquote></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10b40605063d2921_2"> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:odspfi...@googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
> odspfi...@googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:odspfi...@googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">odspfi...@googlegroups.com</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bette Hawley
> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday May 15, 2006 11:09<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:odspfi...@googlegroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">odspfi...@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:
> </b> Reply: Dependent-Adult - 18 yrs. old<br><br></font></div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> <font color="#000000" face="Tahoma">> </font> </font></span>Hi everyone - We received a notification letter today re our son who just turned 18. It said:
> <br> <ul> <li> For you to continue to receive ODSP,
> your dependent adult must:<br> </li><li>Advise ODSP if they have over $536.00 at any time (this would include money in bank accounts, investments, etc.) The ODSP drug card will continue to cover prescription drugs for your dependent adult. They will need to apply at the Ontario Works Office if they need dental work, vision care (eyeglasses) or hearing aids.
> <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span> </span></font></font></font></li></ul> <div><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2"><span>> </span></font></font></font>We never received a notification of mandatory OW participation for our other son and the fiasco which ensued. NOTE: That the D-A must
> <span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">> </font></span>declare if
> he/she has over $536.00 in their bank account. I'm reiterating a point here which I've made many times before and that is: When a kid <span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div><span>
> <font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">> <font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></font></span>is <span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span>16 - 18, they can save all the money they want to go to university. However, ODSP then uses those savings when they turn 18 to say:
> <span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">></font> </span> WHOOPS - you have over $536.00 in your Savings Account - GUESS you don't qualify for ODSP anymore. In fact, you are violating ONE of
> <span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">> </font> </span>the rules - you're now OFF the system. <span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">
> </font></span></div> <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">Sad but typical. I got a surprise letter recently from ODSP proudly announcing that I had been cut off. I responded promptly with a request for an internal review which in turn was answered with an urgent phone call from my case worker.
> </font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">She stated that I hadn't submitted my earnings card. I did, but it was late. I haven't had earnings since December anyhow.</font></span></div>
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> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">She said that because of this, the letter was automatically issued. I had said that I wanted to speak to the person whose signature was on the bottom. Apparently:
> </font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">- he is in Toronto (I'm in Barrie)</font></span></div> <div>
> <span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">- he dutifully signs or stamps them without acknowledgement</font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">- he probably wouldn't be able to deal with my complaint anyway
> </font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">Well he shouldn't be letting his name get on my letter. That's like some silly lawsuits I see now and then,
> </font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">"The 'Queen' vs.. Joe Blow". If I were sued, I would want the Queen herself present or demand that charges be dropped.</font></span>
> </div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">Regardless I made it clear that I did not appreciate the forgery and I was told that because it was an automated gaffe, that it would be fixed. We shall see. Then there's the review they did. I was told of all the documents I had to produce. I still don't have the bank statements - my bank doesn't issue them automatically. It will cost me - and ODSP will not reimburse me despite it being THEM who wants it. I told them I'm waiting on them and they agreed to wait
> although I anticipate another "cut off" threat in the meantime.</font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook"></font></span> </div> <div><span><strong><font color="#ff0000" face="Century Schoolbook">
> THAT DOES NOT CONCERN YOU</font></strong></span></div> <div><span><strong><font color="#ff0000" face="Century Schoolbook"></font></strong></span> </div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">Let's get back to the issue at hand. your son. So he can't have more than $536.00 in assets. YOU can. And remember - you didn't hear this from me, or anyone for that matter.
> </font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">Open an account in YOUR name and
> hand the bank card over to him. His money, your name. Nobody will ever know unless you have it in both your names (don't) or if someone from the Ministry is reading this message, then it's all shot to hell. I do not know if this insane idea will work, but it's worth a try at your own discretion.
> </font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font color="#008000" face="Century Schoolbook">Good luck!</font></span></div> <div><span><font color="#008000">
> </font></span> </div></span></div><div> <div><span><font color="#008000">I don't know exactly who your to advidse anyone to commit a fraud, this is the very reason that ODSP continues to harass us claiming that they are attempting to prevent fraud. I believe you are trying to be helpful, but in fact this is the very thing that continues to put us back
> into the dark ages, and infact your advice can and might be traced thru the E-Mail tracing system.</font></span></div></div><div><span class="sg"> <div><span><font color="#008000"></font></span> </div> <div><span><font color="#008000">
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witty
be disabled (in most cases NOT being able to work). ODSP encourages
you to work (in my case I can work and DO work). I work 20-26 hours a
week during a 10 month period (July and August I am off because I am a
school crossing guard and parking lot attendant and both jobs almost
start and finish in the same time frame).
I am tired of those "fictitious" overpayment letters. I get those too
often. I only get those because I work.
If one is on ODSP-in order to survive-pay bills, cook, etc. they must
live with someone. Chances are they will meet a significant other and
marry them. Those who usually marry (and if they are able to) will
produce their own family. In order to raise a family, they have to
make money. Kids can't work legally until they are 16-ODSP should
leave kids alone entirely until they are out of their parents' house.
Most kids are usually out of the house by the time they are 18 or 19.
You're legally an adult when you are 19-so therefore Disability should
leave kids alone until the age of 19 and consider them minors. Let the
kids do little jobs and Disability leave them alone so they can start
earning money for themselves!
witty