To Vote or Not?

[Malcolm53]

Note to Ponder: Politicians dismiss non-voters as those who don't
count and NO message is sent by not voting. Now there is a simple
process called refusing your vote or casting a Non-Vote and that is
actually counted and does contain weight. If enough voters - I
believe the number is 40% - cast a non vote the entire election is
deemed invalid, the ruling party is deemed overthrown and a new
election is forced.

Now that is a way to really send a message to our elected reps.

[Peter Piluk]

I like this idea. It is a much better alternative to just not showing
up to the voting booth.

We are witnessing the people of Egypt fight in the streets for their
freedom. They are fighting for many of the rights we take for granted.

Peter

[Terrie]

FALSE the ballot is deemed spoilt

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[Malcolm53]

Terrie:

Glad to see you back up your statements with fact. Unfortunately at
present Federal Election process actually does not acknowledge a
refused vote but hopefully that will change in the near future to fall
in line with the provinces that do.

For more information one can visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refused_ballot
for an overview.

[Denny B.]

> actually counted and does contain weight. If enough voters - I
> believe the number is 40% - cast a non vote the entire election is
> deemed invalid, the ruling party is deemed overthrown and a new

I'm asking because I've made the decision to do this myself in the next election....


overthrown?

what do you mean by "overthrown"? who overthrows the gov.?

if the "non-voters" produce 40% or more then apparently they win.

if the winner is a non-voter, what overthrows the old gov. ?



denny b. (curious)

[Zed]

Yeah. There's really know point. Understand procedures. They're
designed to invalidate us. Spoilt, too, as it were.

On Feb 1, 6:38 pm, Terrie <mochare...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Terrie]

Malcom  as your  original post had no factual  backing it up and I do not have time  to scan my ELECTION WORKER  manuals in your sarcasm is inappropriate. Federal  and municipal elections do NOT allow for ballot refusal.  my point stands.

[Annie]

I've done that for years, if I didn't like any of 'them'.. It hasn't
worked so far.. But I'm hoping one day.....

[Puck S. Cub]

having just looked into one of the very books they say not to keep
(but i'm a packrat so i keep everything) a "non-voting" ballot, is
recorded as "spoiled" or "rejected" but it is not invalidated. it
Counts.

AND

if enough ballots are recieved as 'Non-voting' / 'spoiled' /
'rejected'; then yes, the election is invalidated and everything
starts over again. However, the existing governing body remains in
authority until results from the next current and successful election
are recieved.

The only difference, is that the Power and Authority the governing
body has, is truncated. No new bills are allowed to be introduced, No
parlimentary votes taken, no positions assigned (except in extenuating
circumstances.) Its as if the governing body went into a coma. There
are some functions and responsibilities that continue as if nothing
was happening, because to shut them down, is to essentially kill the
governing body entirely. Do you want to wake up in a coffin because
someone killed you? I don't think so. Therefore, basic essential
responsibilities continue, but as mentioned, nothing "new" can be
started, and all existing 'Current' projects, bills, discussions etc
are "shelved"/postponed/prorogued until the election results are
recieved.

What the biggest difference between voting and not voting does, is
that each level of government: Municipal, Provincial and Federal have
their own jurisdictions, responsibilities and sets of rules they have
to follow. And each level is slightly different, to majorly
different depending on the aspect of social governing your examining.
Blaming the Federals for something that is a Municipal issue is
ineffective and futile. You WILL BE IGNORED, or at the very least,
redirected to your local Municipal representative.

So, Before you decide wither your will or will not vote, How about
learning what jobs and responsibilities fall under each level of
government; then look at the representatives being presented for that
level; Are they dealing with the issues within their domain? or are
they philibustering and using alot of spin doctoring to cloud and
confuse the issues, so it makes it seem like their dealing with the
issues, but their really not. Then also look at the personality and
behaviour of that candidate. Are they someone who you feel best
represents your desires and goals?

I know locally, during the last Federal election, our lovely liberal
candidate was insulting the very constituants she was trying to be
elected by. It was a pure joke. Our Green Party representative, while
having a wonderful mouth on herself, was trying to use issues of a
different level of government as her platform, so in my opinion that
was out. The NDP candidate... as much as I dislike Jack Laytons
behaviour and sense of entitlement that he's brought back to the
party, I would have voted for our LOCAL Representative, but prayed
that the party didn't get body majority. We had a Marxist on the
ballot, but they weren't even from the area, let alone showed up for
any of the debates, so i'm not going to vote for an unknown who
doesn't even have the decency to send a representative on their
behalf. which left me with a Conservative. ... Now, Provincially, the
current Conservative party... sucks ass and our local party rep ...
well. lets just say, leaves alot to be desired, (he's waiting out his
term so he can retire, and doesn't want to do anything to get
noticed),... but our local Federal representative on the other
hand.... is trying his best to do what he can within his scope of
authority to try and help this area. So I like him. Don't like the
party, but i like Him.

So what do i do? Vote for the person who i think best represents the
interests overall for my area? who will fight for my right, even if MY
Personal desires/needs etc aren't a priority but will still best
represent my area; or do I vote for someone who i know will not do
their best for the area but they belong to the 'party' that I want to
see win the majority?

Its never an easy choice.

So, if you want to over throw an election and governing body... Go to
the election booth, request your ballot, then turn around and say "I
decline my ballot". (or words to that effect.) YEs the ballot gets
counted, yes its labeled by a term that obviously many of you take
umbridge with and feel is inappropriate; but it gets counted, and
thats what you want, isn't it? That you can tell the governing body
that you don't like the current options, correct?

You need to show that your willing to discharge your duty as a voter
by showing up, but that you dislike the choices and refuse to choose
the "lesser of two evils" and that you would like another set of
choices if possible. Well, the only way to do that,... get enough
people to show up and decline their ballot/vote.

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Terrie <mocha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> FALSE the ballot is deemed spoilt
>
> On 1 February 2011 17:16, Malcolm53 <m...@magmac.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Note to Ponder:  Politicians dismiss non-voters as those who don't
>> count and NO message is sent by  not voting.  Now there is a simple
>> process called refusing your vote or casting a Non-Vote and that is
>> actually counted and does contain weight.  If enough voters - I
>> believe the number is 40% - cast a non vote the entire  election  is
>> deemed invalid, the ruling party is deemed overthrown and a new
>> election is forced.
>>
>> Now that is a way to really send a message to our elected reps.
>>
>> --

[Annie]

Thank Puck, I know more now thanks to you.. Makes sense even...well
sort of!!!
LOL

[LGP]

Maybe we can tell the ~80 Million Egyptians to all go to the polls and
see if that sends a message. Do you think Mubarak would step down if
40% of the people cast a non-vote???!!! I think NOT.

Sure one can argue that Egypt is not a true "democracy." I say either
is Canada. I also highly doubt that Canadian politicians haven't
learned anything from the past 3 US elections that were totally
fraudulent. Bush Jr. and his corrupt gang of thugs rigged the Florida
votes for his 1st term, and then allowed the World Trade Centers to be
attacked. I am of the belief that it was a total inside job but some
people still hold the belief that "the government would never hurt
they're own people!" Inside job or 6'4" men in caves, it doesn't
matter. They could have ordered fighter jets to intercept the terror
attacks but declined to do so. For Bush's 2nd term, they rigged
Ohio. For Barrack Hussein Obama, or Barry Seotoro - which is his REAL
NAME, he is not even an American citizen!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like zed's comment: "Yeah. There's really know point. Understand

procedures. They're designed to invalidate us. Spoilt, too, as it

were." We also see that Annie has tried your formula for success and
it has not worked for her, yet.

People are highly influenced by television and media. Does the media
ever say anything about the people that cast "non-votes?" I have
never heard it mentioned, hence why research has to be done to even
understand the process as so many Canadians don't even know the
procedure. Now, if NO ONE voted, the media would be forced to cover
it, making for a lot of publicity.

The government is just like high school. It's a popularity contest,
especially at the municipal level! And if the powers that be don't
get what they want, what will the do? They will just RIG IT!!!

Democracy is a total failure. Sure the politicos can go on and on and
cut the odd tax here and there but that won't stop us from being an
enormously taxed nation, one of the highest in the world. Do they
ever talk about eliminating things like the NAFTA agreement that
completely ruined the Manufacturing Industry in Canada? No. Until
someone talks about something OF RELEVANCE, it's not worth the gas
money. Talking about gas, they also said they were going to get rid
of the Drive Clean emission testing program a few years ago, yet now
they're talking about tightening emissions standards by 20%!!! Total
scam. Cars were extremely dirty in the 70's while these same baby
boomers drove around polluting the air, now cars are extremely clean
due to catalytic converters and other things and they want to screw
the people and make them all drive brand new cars! I know many people
on here cannot afford to drive as it is and I know the feeling. So
that was another politician lie - getting rid of that program. It
never happened!!! And when it does happen, it will be more due to the
fact that they finally realized that the program is useless and not to
save us money. They do NOT care about us.

You can research the process and the eligible parties until you're
blue in the face. Just remember that THEY provide US with THEIR
arguments, THEIR incumbents, all with their media! All I ever hear is
health care and education. We should be happy that we even have a
health care system and education system. The only reason they want
full day kindergarten is because there is so much stress on mothers
and dads nowadays to work that they can't afford daycare. What about
the 44 hour work week?! What happened to working 40 and then getting
OT pay?! Nowadays, they make us work at LEAST 44 hours and then half
of these companies make us sign a waiver so that they don't have to
pay us overtime!!! It's getting ridiculous - the amount of pressure
put on workers. Now, that is an issue that I care about. Decent
jobs. Do you honestly think they're going to create jobs?! Well,
they can't The Industrial Revolution is nearing a peak or an end if
you will. There are simply not enough inventions or credible, skilled
jobs to employ 7 Billion people!!! Not to mention, computers and
robots are taking away MOST of humans jobs!! Why is THIS never
discussed? I've worked in a casino and if you want to witness
brainwashing, just work there! The CAW tried to get in there a bunch
of times but the workers were so scared of getting reprimanded that
they voted NO to a union!!! Whether you're a union hater or
supporter, you can't argue the fact that with a union, they would at
least allow people to have a voice at work and give you better wages.
I used to work 84 hours per week there and you know what they did?
They made us sign a waiver that they didn't have to pay overtime at
all!!! It was all in the fine print and no one ever told us about
it!!! This is the wave of the future. Working 3 different jobs just
to make ends meet. And you can thank our wonderful government for
that. Do you think if we all cast a "non-vote" that they would have
never signed NAFTA? They would have signed it anyways!!! They do NOT
care about us, the "little people." It's all due to greed. When the
politicians get to office, they say to themselves "I made it and now I
don't care WHAT I have to do to make more money." This is how they
think and it'll never change with our current monetary system. The
complete thing is a scam. Inflation, world banks etc. Do you think
we can ever pay back our national debt? Why do you think so many
people showed up at the G-20 riots? If you actually listened to their
concerns, you might see the bigger picture.

It's hilarious to see people fighting against the left, right,
Liberals, Conservatives, Green party etc. They're all the same!!! Do
you actually believe in Global Warming? Well, it's a scam. And Green
parties are just put there do divide us even more. Some people
believe everything Al Gore says. Here's something to try. In the
summer, before the forecast calls for a tonne of rain, go look up to
the sky at all the planes above large cities like Toronto, Ottawa,
Montreal etc. and watch what the planes are spraying. A lot of people
are saying that "chemtrails" are being used on us and that they are
spraying aluminum and barium into the atmosphere to back up their
"global warming" hoax. Just this past summer I started to notice that
these planes really are spraying stuff into the air!! Do you really
trust our government? Why no mention of that? I want to know what in
the hell they are spraying.

Either way, this will go on for a very long time. All I know is that
our governments have big plans for the populace. They keep us divided
about minor things while they plan large things to keep us living in
fear. Canadians may be intelligent, but remember all of that
intelligence comes from "book learning." When asked to think
logically about a situation, most people are screwed. Not everything
written in books is truth. In fact, history is extremely manipulated
so that our government can get their required "results." The Georgia
Guide Stones calls for no more than 1Million people! Well, with
7Billion, the powers that be have to create major catastrophies in
order to cull all of us. I'm talking about the bigger picture and not
the "health care and education" that They always force feed us with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiwF_aEp4YI

I know that you like to "filter" comments to your liking on here. I
really hope you let this one go through and would be shocked if you
did!

Peace
Matt

[Ron Payne]

Malcolm53

Due diligence comes to mind !!!   JBL or what ever.

Show me the money buddy

We will talk later.

Watsup

Ron

[Nathalie Girardin]

"Sure one can argue that Egypt is not a true "democracy." I say neither
is Canada."

Exactly LGP! We Canadians do not have a democracy, but an oligarchy.