Thanks

[Med...@aol.com]

Thanks, Vonn!

 

Elizabeth
http://passionofmarymagdalen.com/
"Never apologize for mistaking a woman for a goddess." -Maeve from The Passion of Mary Magdalen

 

In a message dated 12/10/2011 9:38:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vonn...@gmail.com writes:

This is from Occupy Poughkeepsie facebook page:

Saturday, A Day of Action of in New Paltz
At Noon there will be a March, Rally, and Possible Occupation within New Paltz.
We will meet outside of Chase Bank!!

That's all I know.

Vonn

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:17 AM, <Med...@aol.com> wrote:

It appeared from the notes that there is a demonstration at noon today in New Paltz to be followed by occupation.

 

We are going to try to get our occupier there. Please advise.

 

Elizabeth
http://passionofmarymagdalen.com/
"Never apologize for mistaking a woman for a goddess." -Maeve from The Passion of Mary Magdalen

 

In a message dated 12/10/2011 8:28:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vonn...@gmail.com writes:

Here is so background information on 'diversity of tactics' and alternatives that folks may find helpful:

Food for thought:

http://www.truth-out.org/what-diversity-tactics-really-means-occupy-wall-street/1319485557

http://www.trainingforchange.org/diversity_of_tactics

http://www.trainingforchange.org/nonviolent_action_sword_that_heals


I feel that we cannot say it too often or work too hard to promote non-violence.  As humans, when we are fearful or angry, it is not our default. We have to prepare, support one another, and constantly recommit to non-violence as our response if we are going to succeed.

Peace & Love,
Vonn

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Andrew Sawtelle <andrews...@riseup.net> wrote:

I don't understand what "diversity of tactics" is tainted with. I understand that the Occupy movement has shown itself to be non-violent movement, but across movements there are ongoing discussions about the relative merits of violent or non-violent tactics in particular circumstances. There is also discussion about the problems of framing tactics primarily as violent vs. non-violent. I would appreciate if mention of things like a moratorium on criticizing other people's choice of tactics also reflected these discussions.

Andrew

On 12/9/2011 8:06 PM, Patricia Fallon wrote:

No, thank you for the heads-up, I do appreciate it. I wouldn't want to unknowingly pollute all our discourse. I shun this term from now on!
Best wishes,

Sent from Patricia Fallon

On Dec 9, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Vonn New <vonn...@gmail.com <mailto:vonn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I know you didn't mean that, that's why I thought you'd want to know about the term.  I'm sure you are not the only one who doesn't know what it means.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Patricia Fallon <ddr...@gmail.com <mailto:ddr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   Oh, sorry didn't mean to bring in a tainted term.  The article
   was just talking about things like marches, sit-ins & boycotts.     Hope it goes without saying we're all totally
   non-violent-certainly didn't mean to imply anything else!  Really
   glad to see there is still a lot going forward.


   On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Vonn New <vonn...@gmail.com

   <mailto:vonn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

       Just so everybody knows, there is a lot still going on on
       many fronts.
       There is a Foreclosure working group that is hard at work w/
       an attorney and 6 different homeowner facing foreclosure.
       The Outreach working group is reaching out to organizations,
       labor unions and churches.
       The legal team is having a training tomorrow.

       All of these groups meet indoors and they include the
       occupiers from the park and lots of additional people.
       I'm sure there is more happening that I don't know about.

       Outreach meets 11 tomorrow morning at Vassar, rm 237 College
       Center.
       Legal meets 1 tomorrow afternoon at Christ Episcopal Church
       Blair is getting me info on when Forclosure meets but it will
       also be indoors.

       Just FYI, the term 'diversity of tactics' is loaded.  In
       activist circles, this term is used to mean that both violent
       and non-violent tactics are to be used and that no one should
       criticize another's choice.  It might be better to say
       'different kinds of actions' just so no one misunderstands.

       Peace & Love,
       Vonn




       On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Patricia Fallon

       <ddr...@gmail.com <mailto:ddr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

           Just wanted to weigh in on future planning.  Someone was
           circulating an article online to Occupy folks about
           diversity of tactics, citing the Civil Rights movement.             The idea was that you should be doing more than one
           thing, in fact as many things as possible within your
           resources.
           That said, I have no objection to outdoor occupations but
           I think it would be a bad idea to limit ourselves to just
           that.  I may be projecting (my respiratory infection from
           hell seems to relapse whenever I am out in the cold too
           long) but I think making all our activities outdoors, in
           winter, would be a terrible limitation.  I really can't
           even come for meetings now unless they are inside, and I
           can't be the only one who can't take the cold.
           I was really interested in the possibility of occupying a
           foreclosed home-I thought the group was in touch with a
           local foreclosure lawyer?  This seems like a way to
           benefit some poor foreclosure victim directly, and these
           occupy foreclosures seem to be well-received by the
           communities they are in.  So this seemed to me the most
           promising of future tactics, but again, see diversity of
           tactics above, it doesn't preclude doing anything else as
           well.
           BTW have 2 propane stoves, rolling cooler, asst'd
           Tupperware & a pot lid.  Maybe we should set up a
           location to drop off the things we took from the site so
           people can look through them & reclaim them.
           Also in any endeavor you need to cycle down sometimes to
           re-assess and recharge. Sorry as I am about the eviction,
           we should turn it into an opportunity to do just that.
           Thanks everyone for all your efforts.


           On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Nikki Kennedy-Hanlon
           <nikkikenn...@gmail.com

           <mailto:nikkikennedyhanlon@gmail.com>> wrote:

               I'm up for a meeting to discuss plan B. The group has
               lost some direction and I'm interested in moving
               forward with the group. I have some great ideas that
               I think just might work. Plans that include community
               involvement with the group. Sometimes its helpful to
               think "small" and "local" in order for a movement to
               have impact. If we can try to organize our thoughts
               and our goals and actually establish a working
               orginization, the group as a whole can be effective.

               I'm available in the evenings. May I suggest we hold
               the meeting indoors as its getting cold and we have
               lots to discuss. Perhaps at the library or a church.
               But its important to re-group.

               Nikki

               On Dec 9, 2011 2:07 PM, "Vonn New"

               <vonn...@gmail.com <mailto:vonn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                   Hi Everyone,

                   I think we might want to get together to have a
                   conversation about what our mission is as Occupy
                   Poughkeepsie moves into its next phase.  It's not
                   clear to me what that looks like, but I think
                   that we as occupiers have a stake in being part
                   of that conversation in the evening GAs.  As that
                   unfolds we need to consider our role.  Is there a
                   need for evening meals?  What to do with the
                   stuff we took offsite?  How else can we be helpful.

                   Just as food for thought, here's a message that
                   the Occupy Philly Food Committee just sent to
                   their occupation:


                                   We have missed seeing your faces
                                   in line for Breakfast, Lunch, and
                                   Dinner. I'm sure you have missed
                                   the Peanut Butter and Jelly's.
                                   Also, I'm sure some of you are
                                   happy to have alot more meat back
                                   into your lives, sorry guys. To
                                   clear up some confusion we have
                                   heard, we just wanted to let you
                                   guys know what we are up to.
                                   Unfortunately alot of our members
                                   were sick for a couple of days so
                                   currently we are playing catch
                                   up, but getting there. As a
                                   commitee we have decided that we
                                   are going to continue to feed our
                                   homeless friends in Center City,
                                   atleast twice a week. Since we no
                                   loner have a whole camp to feed,
                                   the number of people who would be
                                   eating our food have lowered
                                   immensly. Also we plan on doing
                                   more food related direct actions,
                                   now that we are not running
                                   around like maniacs back and
                                   forth from the kitchen and the
                                   food tent. We also plan on
                                   spreading more knowledge on where
                                   to acess food, if you are hungry,
                                   and more knowledge of healthy
                                   food and how to access it as
                                   well. Also, we plan on acting
                                   like the "Op Catering Group", for
                                   when we have large events we are
                                   going to work on having food
                                   available at said events, like
                                   rally's, marches, etc. If you
                                   would like to get involved,
                                   please email us at
                                   foodoccu...@gmail.com

                                   <mailto:foodoccupyphilly@gmail.com>

                                   to find out the time and place of
                                   our next meeting. We miss seeing
                                   all of your faces everyday, we
                                   miss putting food into your
                                   bellies. We will announce when
                                   our feedings are next week, and
                                   we will see some of your lovely
                                   faces at the conference at the
                                   Friends Center tomorrow.


                   What say you all to a face-to-face meeting in the
                   near future?

                   Peace,
                   Vonn


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