Oct 30th was Awesome! Updates Page?

[Rico]

I know it's late. Wanted to say it was awesome we had a great March, no police issues with Street Marching, and great community support.

1. We should make a statement on our website by some time tomorrow, on the Updates Blog, reporting the terrific success, with one of the hundreds of awesome shots likely filmed; then returning Updates to the home page.

1. a. I think we should include some links to our (media) email and the new offsite google group formed, to begin gathering what we don't have / find ourselves)
—I assume that that was one purpose of that group. Perhaps we could also start some Threads specifically for links to original material, others for discussion, etc.—

2.  We can work on a page who's intention is to put out these links, photos, and videos of the WAO event in some presentable manner, while of course supplying natural links to the original material.

I am happy to work on any part of this. In particular, I can work on the page for the website to prepare it for info once gathered.

 night all. Woo Hoo.

[Amy B]

I started this but can't finish it; too tired. Let's get something together to post to the updates page as soon as possible.

Google doc 

Remote WG media quest - We can include links & photos from yesterday. I'm sure there will be some awesome video tomorrow, if not already.

(Posted as a new post by accident, so deleting that and putting it here instead. Sorry for double email.)

[Christian Soulliere]

Another bit of coverage.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/the-occupy-kc-protestors-deliever-a-message-to-those-living-in-northeast-kansas-city

-Christian
ChristianSoulliere.com

[Anthony Cage]

Another video clip from yesterday's We Are One event - this one is Fox 4. 

I like how they said we didn't have a permit, and that the police won't talk about that. 

Fair and balanced, as always ;-)

Anthony

[Christian Soulliere]

Hey Tony.. Think you forgot to share the link.

-Christian
ChristianSoulliere.com

[Rico]

I worked on the updates page. I think we should post it as a photo (or video), pick a nice one, and then put the story below. We could also place links inside the story, if anyone wants to link to what coverage we have.

On local coverage=>we do have a tumblr page / link on website for that. If it's good, add it. We can link to it from elsewhere if needed too.

One of the videos I had on my youtube was when the kids joined us. Again, that's sort of part of the conversation on Navigation reform. We have many 'categories' of media to share. we'll have to figure the 'most accessible, clean way.

[Anthony Cage]

Oops...  Here is the link:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-occupy-kansas-city-supporters-march-through-city-20111031,0,2476556.story

Also, FYI, didn't really have a GA tonight - some people trickled in starting after 7PM and we talked. 

Points: 

- Actual need for some type of security and how do we do this in a good way

- Suggestion to have a clearer message put out to the public ?  pros / cons

- More direct action

- Diversity was discussed (most agreed that a focus here is critical).

Suggestions: 

- Moving to another park (security reasons, visibility reasons, better access via bus)

- More organized march on banks

- Opening a greater dialog with people staying at base camp to try to resolve issues - getting to know those that are at camp and not attending GA, and addressing their concerns 1 on 1.

- Too much GA time spent on base camp issues, focus on actions

Lucky / Mike / Mike, anything to add? 

Thanks :)

Tony

[Rico]

So, I didn't have much time on a computer today - re-installing two OSs and it hasn't been without problems. I borrowed a friend's laptop briefly. I took Amy's last edit, placed it on the Updates blog, and posted it with a photo. Updfates is now the home page again.

The photo happens to be mine, as I haven't found any other links to photos I thought encompased the March. Jeff's comments in another thread about the anti-capitalist banner also made me hesitate on pics up front. Anyway, anyone with access that wants a different pic, you won't break my heart. Anyone with more or better info for the story, please update it. I may not have access again tonight, so when I saw this still hadn't been done, I did it.

Also, Lucky sent me some nice links re; some of her occupy updates. I had already started that -tblog, and will add them soon as I can. Some of these stories should obviously be our update that day as well.

rico

[Anne Boyer]

While I want to express gratitude for the hard work from media, I also
need to mention here that many of us involved in this international
movement are anti-capitalists, anarchists, and so on, and to edit this
out of the visual history of the events is absurd and also a fairly
certain way to destroy the movement locally. The talk, also in this
group, of ignoring/disregarding principle of horizontalidad is also
perilous if it goes unchallenged in that to do so undermines the very
nature of what we are doing: to censor the anti-capitalists and reject
the horizontal structure would render OKC isolated from the global
movement.

OKC, can of course, come to consensus to break with the structure and
principals of the larger movement, but I don't think this should be
the decision of a few people of media to present the image that we
already have.

Perhaps I have an undue affection for truth, but I think, also, to
state the truth itself, as much as it is knowable, is the beginning of
what is possible, and not some sort of PR calamity. On this note, I
would like to recommend that everyone on media team reads this:
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0903/att-0196/fiveDifficulties_brecht.pdf

If you'd like more history on horizontal organization, I will also
point out this great link:
http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/latin-america-rising/horizontalidad-where-everyone-leads

A friend of mine, Cara Baldwin, also put together this extensive
resource on issues of horizontal organization (including the great
resurrected Jo Freeman critique): http://occupyeverything.org/2011/contents-2-they-are-several/

I'll be in NYC tomorrow at OWS, and then to Occupy Philly on Saturday.
I will admit to having a particularly stake in Kansas City maintaining
a connection to the rest of the movement: I simply don't think we can
survive here if we cut ourselves off from the very principles of the
movement or revise-away the people who started it.

best,
Anne

[Christian Soulliere]

Anne, 

Couldn't agree more with everything you just said.  As a major point of this movement we are working to be inclusive to the ideals of all of the 99%.  We can work through consensus to determine what exactly our points are that we want to stick to as a whole but I am for the free speech of all of the members, with the exception of violence, lies, and hate speech. 

Thank you for sharing those resources and I am printing off copies of that literature from Brecht to share if anyone wants one.  I'll also be addressing these concerns in another email I am currently writing in response to the discussion on how to put together the press releases. 

-Christian
ChristianSoulliere.com

[Jeff Johnson]

Anne,

As best as I can tell, your comments are in response to Rico writing, "Jeff's comments in another thread about the anti-capitalist banner also made me hesitate on pics up front." 

1. For the record, my comment about the anti-capitalist banner was made  on Facebook, not hidden away somewhere.  The comment was not made in a Media thread.

2.  And to be clear, I don't have a problem with anti-capitalist signs, etc.  What I didn't like was that fact that the huge banner was carried at the front of the protest, making it look like it was the general statement of the protest.  Not to say that the anti-capitalists don't have a right to make as big a sign as they want; I just thought it was misrepresentative to the observer.  In other words, I value truth too.  The truth is, the anti-capitalist sentiments are part of this movement, and were part of that protest, but they are not the only or even predominate sentiments.  My comment did not criticize the anti-capitalists, nor did it criticize the anti-capitalists message.  My comment criticized the fact that that banner made it look to the observer that that protest was about anti-capitalism, which in truth, it was not about anti-capitalism anymore than it was about all the other things people in this movement believe in.  So I ask you, anti-capitalists, would you have liked it if the protest walked behind a huge banner that read, "Capitalism is not the problem!"  Of course you would not like that, even though, for a lot of people in the protest, that statement is true.  I would not have liked it either, even though it reflects my view.  I would not have liked it because it would have appeared to be the consensus of the march, which it was not.  That's why I said on Facebook that I wish that banner had not been "the face" of the march.

3.  However, at no time and in no place did I suggest censoring the image of that anti-capitalism sign.  At no time have I expressed an opinion as to what should or should not be done with images of that sign.  My only comment was to say I wish that the sign had not been the seeming statement of the march.

4.  Getting back to Rico's statement.  There is nothing wrong with Rico wondering how OKC can best represent the march.  It would be irresponsible to mindlessly post anything and everything that is available.  His consideration of the merits is to be commended.  His opinion may or may not receive agreement or disagreement, but the point is he put it out there for discussion.  Nothing wrong with that.  That is the horizontal process; put it out there for discussion.

5.  Unless you are specific, I do not know what you are talking about when you refer to "talk of" ignoring/disregarding horizontal process.  Please specify.  General allusions are not helpful in the discussion.

Jeff Johnson

[Jeff Johnson]

Anne,

As best as I can tell, your comments are in response to Rico writing, "Jeff's comments in another thread about the anti-capitalist banner also made me hesitate on pics up front." 

1. For the record, my comment about the anti-capitalist banner was made  on Facebook, not hidden away somewhere.  The comment was not made in a Media thread.

2.  And to be clear, I don't have a problem with anti-capitalist signs, etc.  What I didn't like was that fact that the huge banner was carried at the front of the protest, making it look like it was the general statement of the protest.  Not to say that the anti-capitalists don't have a right to make as big a sign as they want; I just thought it was misrepresentative to the observer.  In other words, I value truth too.  The truth is, the anti-capitalist sentiments are part of this movement, and were part of that protest, but they are not the only or even predominate sentiments.  My comment did not criticize the anti-capitalists, nor did it criticize the anti-capitalists message.  My comment criticized the fact that that banner made it look to the observer that that protest was about anti-capitalism, which in truth, it was not about anti-capitalism anymore than it was about all the other things people in this movement believe in.  So I ask you, anti-capitalists, would you have liked it if the protest walked behind a huge banner that read, "Capitalism is not the problem!"  Of course you would not like that, even though, for a lot of people in the protest, that statement is true.  I would not have liked it either, even though it reflects my view.  I would not have liked it because it would have appeared to be the consensus of the march, which it was not.  That's why I said on Facebook that I wish it that banner had not been "the face" of the march.

3.  At no time and in no place did I suggest censoring the image of that anti-capitalism sign.  At no time have I expressed an opinion as to what should or should not be done with images of that sign.  My only comment was to say I wish that the sign had not been the seeming statement of the march.

4.  Getting back to Rico's statement.  There is nothing wrong with Rico wondering how OKC can best represent the march.  It would be irresponsible to mindlessly post anything and everything that is available.  His consideration of the merits is to be commended.  His opinion may or may not receive agreement or disagreement, but the point is he put it out there for discussion.  Nothing wrong with that.  That is the horizontal process; put it out there for discussion.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Christian Soulliere <christian...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Jeff Johnson]

Anne,

Ok, I have to correct myself above.

In addition to the Facebook comment, I recall that in a thread about the Press release process, I referred to the anti-capitalism banner.  However, the point of the comments were not about what to do about the banner or the pictures of the banner.  My point was to say that we don't send signs through GA, so we should not send press releases through GA.

Jeff

[radiomankc]

I think Anne is over-analyzing this. We have too much to do, to deal
with all this 'stuff'. Guess we had to go through it, but lets not
overreact to every sensitivity that reveals itself, or we'll never get
our jobs done! We do media. And the website It's a finite
responsibility. Lets keep our eyes on the ball.



On Nov 2, 11:55 am, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohnsonkansasc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Anne Boyer <annebo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> While I want to express gratitude for the hard work from media, I also
> >>> need to mention here that many of us involved in this international
> >>> movement are anti-capitalists, anarchists, and so on, and to edit this
> >>> out of the visual history of the events is absurd and also a fairly
> >>> certain way to destroy the movement locally.  The talk, also in this
> >>> group, of ignoring/disregarding principle of horizontalidad is also
> >>> perilous if it goes unchallenged  in that to do so undermines the very
> >>> nature of what we are doing: to censor the anti-capitalists and reject
> >>> the horizontal structure would render OKC isolated from the global
> >>> movement.
>
> >>> OKC, can of course, come to consensus to break with the structure and
> >>> principals of the larger movement, but I don't think this should be
> >>> the decision of a few people of media to present the image that we
> >>> already have.
>
> >>> Perhaps I have an undue affection for truth, but I think, also, to
> >>> state the truth itself, as much as it is knowable, is the beginning of
> >>> what is possible, and not some sort of PR calamity.   On this note, I
> >>> would like to recommend that everyone on media team reads this:
>

> >>>http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/ope/archive/0903/att-0196/fiveDi...

>
> >>> If you'd like more history on horizontal organization, I will also
> >>> point out this great link:
>

> >>>http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/latin-america-rising/horizontalidad...

[Rico]

Wow. I'm gone for two days due to computer issues, and look at the problems I 'caused'. Thanks for all the comments, and for moving on beyond this. Jeff, thanks - you're right, my only point was that I figured if we were to pick a picture, it might as well be one that represented as many people's views as possible. It happened to be one of my pics, but again, I just wanted to get er done. There is some discussion outside of media that we are perhaps disorganized and unwilling to work with the group. I don't think that's true, any more than I think we, as a horizontal group, are ignoring the group's ideas as a whole. This entire movement is so young, we need to commend ourselves for everything we Have done.

I think there will be at least a couple people at our meeting tomorrow that are not in Media. This is fine, and I look forward to it, as long as the meeting progresses in good time. I'm sorry if I offended you, Anne, or anyone else. We are not, any of us in media or other groups, attempting to direct the occupation / movement in our own manner. We are all working very hard, are all volunteers, and are all human. We just want to keep things rolling. And as radioman said, we have a lot of work to do.

I was at the GA tonight for a while, but it was mostly a soapbox, almost a fight, and then some coffee with members of DAWG to get away for a bit. We've a lot before us.

If we don't turn this org from an occupation to a movement before we move indoors, it will disappear like so much history. We're all good people, with big hearts, willing to volunteer our time. Let's leave the in-fighting to groups in the world we're trying to change / eradicate. 

[radiomankc]

Common sense tells me ya don't change your update graphic until the
moment of the event being promoted...today its bill black. That
should be at the top until 7pm Tuesday night. Right??? Only TEN do
yo move the next issue to the TOP!!!