Fwd: Occupy Burners Logo

[Occupy Burners]

A proposed logo for our group. Inviting her to our group for discussion.

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:26 PM
Subject: Occupy Burners Logo
To: Occupy...@gmail.com

Hello!

I saw on the Occupy Burners Facebook Page that there was a need for a logo. This my first (rough) draft/idea. I intend to get a better font for the "Occupy Burners" text and use a digital image for the Man. I think this is a good representation of my idea. I want it to mimic the Preamble in look. If this is in line with what may have been envisioned so far please let me know. I will continue to work and refine the idea but wanted to throw in my first hand drawn concept for edits/comments/ideas.

Thanks!!!

Gypsy

~Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.~

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Subject: Occupy burners

Date: 8 décembre 2011 21:14:20 UTC-07:00

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['Natara]

I suspect that, if the Man aspect is not made more derivative, we invite legal action by the Org.

'Natara

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[Occupy Burners]

I like this as a first draft. It looks like sort of a burnt page motif? I'd like us to have something adaptable to use in patches & t-shirts as well as on Facebook, can we make that possible with this idea?

Kit

[Occupy Burners]

That is something to consider, although a great deal of leeway does seem to be allowed on this, and we're not planning to sell it in any way, but maybe we should make it a little more symbolic just to make sure.

Kit

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

More derivative how? I can make it more vague/abstract if need be.

~Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.~

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[feli...@gmail.com]

I think the "policy" is to ignore usage that isn't for profit, but put it on a T-shirt and charge 5 bucks and we might have an issue. I'll do an inquiry and see what I can find out.

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From: "'Natara" <twist...@gmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:48:36 -0800

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[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

Kit, 

I was going for a old, aged parchment look. Like the quintessential Constitution look I think most people think of. I'll do one like that and one without the vintage look.

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['Natara]

Yeah, more vague or abstract.

Even if we're not selling it, Occupy is something the Org has been skittish about, I just don't relish the fallout.

I know, I'm willing to go up against multinationals and the feds, bit not the Org. I'm weird.

'Natara

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[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

What else is uniquely Burning Man? I am racking my brain trying to think of something that makes you automatically think playa other than the simple Man in stick form. Suggestions anyone?

[feli...@gmail.com]

Well, the layout of the roads from
an aerial view at BM always seems to scream "playa" to me.

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:16:54 -0700

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Subject: Re: [OWS-Burners] Occupy Burners Logo

['Natara]

Oo, is there a way to superimpose that sort of round grid on, say a map of the world?

...I'm getting too complicated again. Nevermind.

'Natara

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[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

Kind of on that track right now...

On 9 déc. 2011, at 00:08, 'Natara wrote:

[feli...@gmail.com]

Yea, considering it would be a huge win to have the Org support Occupy, its prolly wisest to NOT rattle their nest, so to speak.

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>

Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:38:19 -0700

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Subject: Re: [OWS-Burners] Occupy Burners Logo

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

Another concept:

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

Need to clean up pretty much everything on it but I thing you get the idea...

[feli...@gmail.com]

Loves it! (Of course, I like the BRC layout, so I'm kinda biased) Maybe we can re-work the words? It looks like "we the occupy burners people" to me, but that's just one fellas opinion

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:55:54 -0700

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

Well I like this better but we need to find out how sensitive BM is to the use of the Man.

On 9 déc. 2011, at 00:59, feli...@gmail.com wrote:

Loves it! (Of course, I like the BRC layout, so I'm kinda biased) Maybe we can re-work the words? It looks like "we the occupy burners people" to me, but that's just one fellas opinion

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>

Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:55:54 -0700

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ReplyTo: occupy-...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [OWS-Burners] Occupy Burners Logo

Another concept:

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[feli...@gmail.com]

Anyway to put the playa map as a background, or do ya think that'll make the whole thing too "busy"? I'm pretty sure its simply for-profit useage they don't like, but I'll try and get some clarification on that asap. (And yea, that one "reads" better, as far as the text goes)

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>

Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:09:47 -0700

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

I think the playa map is too much. I can't find anything that's simple lines of the map that doesn't look just icky in a logo. As far as getting in trouble for using the man goes, people have been "borrowing" it forever now. How many of us have used it in the design of some kind of logo for our camp? I know that my camp has used it and nothing bad has followed. I believe that if we use it strictly as a logo and don't go using it to sell items we should be fine.

~Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.~

On 9 déc. 2011, at 01:36, feli...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyway to put the playa map as a background, or do ya think that'll make the whole thing too "busy"? I'm pretty sure its simply for-profit useage they don't like, but I'll try and get some clarification on that asap. (And yea, that one "reads" better, as far as the text goes)

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>

Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:09:47 -0700

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Subject: Re: [OWS-Burners] Occupy Burners Logo

Well I like this better but we need to find out how sensitive BM is to the use of the Man.

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[Occupy Burners]

Felix: How long do you think it will take for you to get clarification? I like the design with the original logo if we can use it, but not if it will step on toes. I'm not sure how to make the Burner logo more abstract yet still recognizable -- ideas?

Anyway if you are not sure about your contacts I have a person or two who can probably find out for us about this.

Kit

[Megan Polansky]

I like all of these, but I like the grid more, as it's more inclusive (it could be ANY map, really, but those 'in the know'... well, know!). 

And obviously it should say occupy burners on it, but... maybe not in the middle? I feel that it detracts from the message. I get that you want people to know who you are, but then it's like the only people who are people are occupy burner people.

[feli...@gmail.com]

Exact quote as given to me:

"Meh. It's a cultural reference and not used in commerce so we wouldn't have reason to worry about it much"

What we figured, but good to have confirmation. ^_^)b

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From: Occupy Burners <occupy...@gmail.com>

Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:49:32 -0600

[feli...@gmail.com]

Yea, I like the map, too. But I just love that design. (Thank you Mr. Garrett) It reminds me of the amerindian thunderbird pictographs, not to mention its a city built around the city commons. If we could just hedge the "Occupy Burners" into a lower corner or something?

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From: Megan Polansky <meggil...@gmail.com>

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:53:43 -0600

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

You don't want the Occupy Burners off to one side or hiding in a corner. That's just bad branding. That's why We The People is a different font. I've done my fair share of marketing for plenty of high profile companies. Occupy Burners needs to be centered, prominent, not shoved off to the back ground. A solution could be to make "We The People" a shade of grey or something. Although everyone I have shown this to (non burners mostly) sees the "Occupy Burners" as separate and doesn't run the words together. The design doesn't really work with the aerial shot of BRC because there is too much going on. Simple is always the best when it comes to logos and branding.

On 9 déc. 2011, at 13:53, Megan Polansky wrote:

I like all of these, but I like the grid more, as it's more inclusive (it could be ANY map, really, but those 'in the know'... well, know!). 

And obviously it should say occupy burners on it, but... maybe not in the middle? I feel that it detracts from the message. I get that you want people to know who you are, but then it's like the only people who are people are occupy burner people.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Occupy Burners <occupy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Felix: How long do you think it will take for you to get clarification? I like the design with the original logo if we can use it, but not if it will step on toes. I'm not sure how to make the Burner logo more abstract yet still recognizable -- ideas?

Anyway if you are not sure about your contacts I have a person or two who can probably find out for us about this.

Kit

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:36 AM, <feli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyway to put the playa map as a background, or do ya think that'll make the whole thing too "busy"? I'm pretty sure its simply for-profit useage they don't like, but I'll try and get some clarification on that asap. (And yea, that one "reads" better, as far as the text goes)

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>

Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:09:47 -0700

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Subject: Re: [OWS-Burners] Occupy Burners Logo

Well I like this better but we need to find out how sensitive BM is to the use of the Man.

[Ian MacKenzie]

Hi All - 

Thought I'd just throw my attempt in the mix... this is using the currently Occupy Wall St logo, without the fist... keeps it simple. 

Ian

[feli...@gmail.com]

Good points. Although I love the BRC aerial shot, it is quite busy. Perhaps the Man is the way to go. Can we put a tri-corner hat on him or something? (By the way, just kidding about the hat >_<)

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>

Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:20:32 -0700

['Natara]

The difference is that your camp logo is for the burn. This is not a sanctioned use; it has, in the Org's eyes, nothing to do with the event; and is in fact related to something they have gone through considerable effort to not take an official position on.

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[feli...@gmail.com]

I asked specifically about Occupy Burners using the Man for its logo. The response was "Meh. It's a cultural reference and not used in commerce so we wouldn't have reason to worry about it much"

The reason the org trademarked the Man was to stop folks from profiting from it. As long as we aren't selling anything with the Man on it, we're fine.

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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:31:42 -0800

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Subject: Re: [OWS-Burners] Occupy Burners Logo

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

I see your point, but we are also not using the Man logo from the BM site. Their Man is more pointy and angled, not rounded. And currently the page is displaying the Man in their logo anyway. So even if we use nothing from this thread we are still using the Man as the Occupy Burners logo.

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[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

And I like the tri-corner hat idea! Brilliant! :)

On 9 déc. 2011, at 14:24, Ian MacKenzie wrote:

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[feli...@gmail.com]

Then I take it back. I wasn't kidding about the hat! ~_^)b

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [OWS-Burners] Occupy Burners Logo

[Occupy Burners]

I love Ian's logo too -- and the idea of having a tricorner hat on yours, Gypsy. Since the BMORG is not concerned about our use then neither am I -- and of course we will oppose commercial use of our material, as I feel that's antagonistic to our values, those of Burning Man, AND those of Occupy.

Gypsy, let us see a draft with the tricorner hat. I am going to use Ian's logo on our Twitter for the moment. We can and should have multiple images to represent us.

Kit

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

Haha, I was joking about the tri-corner hat. It's cute, but it's making it more complicated than simple. Also, finding an image to modify for that is going to be mighty difficult...

[Occupy Burners]

Re: hat, true enough. The only symbol of the movement we really have so far is a tent, and I'm not sure how that'd fit into the logo.

Gypsy: Let's run with what you've been working on. I like what you have so far. Keep at it! Thank you!

Ian: Can you design a more square version of yours? Twitter is cropping it funny and that might be the cause in other places too.

Kit

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

Yeah I've been trying to figure out how to incorporate a tent without making it look goofy or something. Thinking...

[feli...@gmail.com]

Yea, same here, but all I got is the Man in a tent... Kinda awkward, really

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From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsyl...@gmail.com>

Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 15:44:15 -0700

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[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

Haha! Love it. How about a tent on fire with "OCCUPY" below it? Seriously though, that would send the wrong message, just wanted to jump in on the silliness.

[shanta stevens]

How about the man with a guy fawkes mask? There is a considerable amount of anonymous participation, after all...

[Occupy Burners]

*twnkles* Can we make this happen, Gypsy?

Kit

[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

That's actually pretty brilliant. Yes, I can do that. Gotta get some sleep, I should have something by tomorrow afternoon.

~Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.~

[Mel]

I like this a LOT. I know it may look a little busy right now. But
if we cleaned it up, and maybe made sure there was no overlap of words
over the map photo, it would be perfect. To me the significance of
the temporary city we build every year in conjunction with OCCUPY
building tent cities all over the planet is very poignant and
meaningful.

mel

On Dec 9, 2:59 am, felixx...@gmail.com wrote:
> Loves it! (Of course, I like the BRC layout, so I'm kinda biased) Maybe we can re-work the words? It looks like "we the occupy burners people" to me, but that's just one fellas opinion
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> From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsylione...@gmail.com>
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> Another concept:
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> On 9 déc. 2011, at 00:40, felixx...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > Yea, considering it would be a huge win to have the Org support Occupy, its prolly wisest to NOT rattle their nest, so to speak.
> > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

> > From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsylione...@gmail.com>

> > Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:38:19 -0700
> > To: <occupy-...@googlegroups.com>
> > ReplyTo: occupy-...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [OWS-Burners] Occupy Burners Logo
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> > Kind of on that track right now...
>
> > On 9 déc. 2011, at 00:08, 'Natara wrote:
>
> >> Yeah, more vague or abstract.
>
> >> Even if we're not selling it, Occupy is something the Org has been skittish about, I just don't relish the fallout.
>
> >> I know, I'm willing to go up against multinationals and the feds, bit not the Org. I'm weird.
>
> >> 'Natara
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> >> sent from a tricorder-like device with wonky autocomplete, please excuse any typos.
>

> >> On Dec 8, 2011 10:56 PM, "Gypsy Marja Konecki" <gypsylione...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Kit,
>
> >> I was going for a old, aged parchment look. Like the quintessential Constitution look I think most people think of. I'll do one like that and one without the vintage look.
>

> >> On 8 déc. 2011, at 23:53, felixx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>> I think the "policy" is to ignore usage that isn't for profit, but put it on a T-shirt and charge 5 bucks and we might have an issue. I'll do an inquiry and see what I can find out.
> >>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

> >>> From: "'Natara" <twisted...@gmail.com>

> >>> Sender: occupy-...@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:48:36 -0800
> >>> To: <occupy-...@googlegroups.com>
> >>> ReplyTo: occupy-...@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [OWS-Burners] Fwd: Occupy Burners Logo
>
> >>> I suspect that, if the Man aspect is not made more derivative, we invite legal action by the Org.
>
> >>> 'Natara
>
> >>> sent from a tricorder-like device with wonky autocomplete, please excuse any typos.
>

> >>> On Dec 8, 2011 10:43 PM, "Occupy Burners" <occupyburn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> A proposed logo for our group. Inviting her to our group for discussion.
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> >>> From: Gypsy Marja Konecki <gypsylione...@gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:26 PM
> >>> Subject: Occupy Burners Logo
> >>> To: Occupyburn...@gmail.com
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> >>> Hello!
>
> >>> I saw on the Occupy Burners Facebook Page that there was a need for a logo. This my first (rough) draft/idea. I intend to get a better font for the "Occupy Burners" text and use a digital image for the Man. I think this is a good representation of my idea. I want it to mimic the Preamble in look. If this is in line with what may have been envisioned so far please let me know. I will continue to work and refine the idea but wanted to throw in my first hand drawn concept for edits/comments/ideas.
>
> >>> Thanks!!!
> >>> Gypsy
>
> >>> ~Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.~
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> >>>> From: gypsylione...@gmail.com
> >>>> Subject: Occupy burners
> >>>> Date: 8 décembre 2011 21:14:20 UTC-07:00
> >>>> To: gypsylione...@gmail.com
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> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
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[Gypsy Marja Konecki]

Okay, here we go. It might even work without "Occupy" underneath it since the Guy Fawkes mask has become such a symbol of the Occupy Movement.

~Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.~

['Natara]

I like it.

sent from a tricorder-like device with wonky autocomplete, please excuse any typos.

[shanta stevens]

You put diamond sparkles in my twinkles!

[Heidi Flamingsword]

I like the simple, but if we're doing a themes mashup then could the
head be a hashtag or @? It already looks like typography: )'( which
is something people associate with the internet, so something that is
organized over twitter like OWS has some built-in symbols to be played
with. If we could make the Man a large # with an @ for a head or
something that is both more derivative and theme unifying.

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[Occupy Burners]

I like it. Thank you for this, Gypsy!

Obviously since we are working in the creative commons, people are free to play with their own derivations or the other ideas we have tossed around. We can have many logos for what we do.

Great working with y'all.

Kit

On Dec 10, 2011 4:45 PM, "Gypsy Marja Konecki" <gypsyl...@gmail.com> wrote: