Re: [OC_SM] o, no intere

[Kelly Hayes]

On Friday, April 20, 2012, X X <moccu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Keiran, my points were not directed at the action you were speaking of my point was directed at those who want to see the state clampdown for the sake of seeing the state clamping down.  Your third point is totally on point (in fact I agree with most of your email).  Your points about the "white savior" and a "false sense of security" are also very on point, that said I like to hear your thoughts on how we can encourage wider involvement for POC.
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> The problem here though lies in one group of people who want to build a larger campaign that escalates and another small group  that seems to want action for the sake of action. 
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> With Love,
> Matt
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> --- On Fri, 4/20/12, David Orlikoff <mcf...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: David Orlikoff <mcf...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [OC_Secretariat] Re: [OC_SM] Re: sooo, no interest in discussing this?
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> Date: Friday, April 20, 2012, 9:43 AM
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> I'm pretty sure Matt's a cop.
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> ;)
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> Haha, sigh.      the thing is, we actually have far less control over getting masses of people to act based on our individual and collective decisions and actions.
> We have far more control over ourselves and the people self-represented by our collective decisions.
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> Plans for actions assuming large theoretical involvement haven't panned out for us. We had momentum the first 3 weeks downtown, growing every day, and saturday and sunday, leading to take the horse 1 and 2. that was interest from ows, and also the underlying issues that made ows possible. we had 1400 at a7. turns out i think most were not totally new fresh people like with the start of all this. they were people who had had a dip in the waters but were not active recently. None of our other attempts for mass action have worked. We had more media than protestors at some things like G8 leaving celebration because the media agreed with us it seemed like it should be a mass thing. But the people didnt agree. not that they decided that, but it just never ends up where we make a call and the people respond. OUR people respond. And we have a lot of people. 5000 at least, or in the tens of thousands depending how you count it, but most are not active.
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> So instead of debating about things we don't really consciously control, we should debate about what we really can control. Even though only 30 or a dozen people show up sometimes, we've still taken the street with that many, gotten on the news with that many, pushed a message with that many.
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> Occupy isn't a porthole to the masses. It's a framework for activism that many find more inspiring and oddly accessible in its newness than any previous means. A large part of the framework is the big tent aspect of Occupy which I separate into two parts that are extremely inspirational: 1) Our struggles are connected with common s