The Deception Of Ayn Rand (Alisa Rosenbaum)
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Carolina Reb
Jul 25, 2014, 5:56:42 AM7/25/14
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Elliot Temple
Jul 25, 2014, 1:58:56 PM7/25/14
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On Jul 25, 2014, at 2:56 AM, Carolina Reb <walt.h...@att.net> wrote:
> http://whitebiocentrism.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=461&p=733&hilit=the+deception+of+ayn+rand#p733
if anyone wants to read it, use this link:
http://whitebiocentrism.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=461&p=733
the link provided highlights some words throughout and looks AWFUL.
it has a lot of unsourced claims, including that Objectivism considers smoking a moral obligation (false, comes from Rothbard).
and finally, at the very bottom, a link:
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html
oh.
quoting thousands of words with the source only at the bottom is completely unreasonable. it's pretty much plagiarism, effectively, because it gets people to read stuff while being mislead about the author. It's not OK to have thousands of words of other people's writing with no indication except for the fraction of people who get to the end get to find out in retrospect. (And it doesn't even say the link at the bottom is a source or anything, it just puts the link. I figured it out immediately due to prior familiarity with this stuff.)
The source first quote second format, as used in email, is way better.
Anyway Carolina Reb if you have something to say, say it. Got an argument? Got a criticism of some point? Got an interesting explanation of something? Write it. Just linking a long anti-Rand thing with no comment whatsoever is not productive discussion. Why are you linking this? What do you want to talk about? Which parts interest you? What problem(s) do you think this essay solves, and how?
PS on skimming through again i found it was multi-source. some is from:
http://www.toqonline.com/blog/a-sense-of-life-ayn-rand/
god fuck the author for the extremely misleading approach to quoting.
and this post is so bad, even sourcing stuff at the top wouldn't work well, b/c it'd go:
attribution
wall of text
easy to miss attribution
wall of text
and no one would be suspecting that attribution in the middle exists. to make this work well would require, say, blockquoting the quotes with different background colors. Or some introductory text explaining what the author is doing.
the intro text is a good idea anyway. and anyway why not just provide 2 links and leave out the copy/pasting job??
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Carolina Reb
Jul 25, 2014, 4:10:18 PM7/25/14
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On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:58:56 PM UTC-4, Elliot Temple wrote:
>Anyway Carolina Reb if you
>have something to say, say it.
>Got an argument? Got a criticism
>of some point? Got an interesting
>explanation of something? Write it.
>Just linking a long anti-Rand thing
>with no comment whatsoever is not
>productive discussion. Why are you
>linking this? What do you want to talk
>about? Which parts interest you?
>What problem(s) do you think this
>essay solves, and how?
Try this one then. Also, I will assume you
will avoid the typical Jewish ad hominem
and red herring attacks whereupon the source
is well-known activist David Duke.
*
Elliot Temple
Jul 25, 2014, 4:14:53 PM7/25/14
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what problem does it solve?
what's it about?
what are some main points?
why do you think it's correct?
say some info that would interest me in it.
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Carolina Reb
Jul 25, 2014, 4:21:44 PM7/25/14
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On Friday, July 25, 2014 4:14:53 PM UTC-4, Elliot Temple wrote:
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if you want me to try it, tell me:
what problem does it solve?
what's it about?
what are some main points?
why do you think it's correct?
say some info that would interest me in it.
Elliot Temple
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"...while standing on one foot?" OK. Miss Alisa Rosenbaum
is a Jewess. As such, she is an enemy of White racial consciousness.
Elliot Temple
Jul 25, 2014, 4:26:39 PM7/25/14
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Carolina Reb
Jul 25, 2014, 5:16:17 PM7/25/14
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On Friday, July 25, 2014 4:26:39 PM UTC-4, Elliot Temple wrote:
>if i understand correctly, you're saying
>you're anti-semitic and pro-white racist,
>and you want to share your anti-semitism
> and racism with us. is that it?
No, that is incorrect on several counts. My purpose here is to inform, not to proselytize.
Elliot Temple
Jul 25, 2014, 5:18:37 PM7/25/14
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are you anti-semitic? if not, what were you saying about Ayn Rand the "Jewess"? and what did u mean about whites?
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Carolina Reb
Jul 25, 2014, 5:35:58 PM7/25/14
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On Friday, July 25, 2014 5:18:37 PM UTC-4, Elliot Temple wrote:
>so clarify what you meant?
>are you anti-semitic? if not,
>what were you saying about
>Ayn Rand the "Jewess"?
Almost all of today's Jews are descendants of the Khazars, a Mongoloid
people indigenous to the steppes of Southwestern Asia in what is today
part of Russia.
They converted to Judaism in the 8th Century. Therefore,
Jews are not truly a Semitic people, as the Palestinians are.
Rand/Rosenbaum's genetic roots are in the Khazars.
>and what did u mean about whites?
Elliot Temple
Jul 25, 2014, 5:45:59 PM7/25/14
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i'll make you a deal though. read the discussion guidelines here:
http://fallibleideas.com/discussion/guidelines
then format your posts correctly. that'll demonstrate some level of respect for the group and interest in discussion.
if your future posts are formatted correctly, i won't ban you immediately. (if you post broken formatting again, i will ban you. we aren't looking for anti-semitic participants who aren't making an effort).
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Carolina Reb
Jul 25, 2014, 6:25:49 PM7/25/14
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Let us not waste each other's time. Is this...
..what you call "anti-semitism and racism?" Inquiring
minds want to know.
Elliot Temple
Jul 25, 2014, 8:45:53 PM7/25/14
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brian lamb
Jul 26, 2014, 12:08:23 AM7/26/14
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Carolina Reb is a mental defective from South Carolina called Walter Hampton, he's a 70 year old half-blind disabled Nazi/KKK piece of garbage.
The only people who agree with him are other Jew-baiting racists, a few mentally disturbed individuals & several Euro-trash Nazis.
Do not approach Walter Hampton as he's a chronic masturbator with a latent homosexual complex!
Elliot Temple
Jul 26, 2014, 12:16:31 AM7/26/14
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But I do not approve of calling him a homosexual as an insult (or without personal knowledge of him – and even if you had that, don't go around sharing it in public).
I don't think you should call people masturbators as an insult. Masturbating (or being unmarried) isn't a sin or character flaw.
Nor do I approve of insulting him as "half-blind" (what's wrong with being blind? i mean it sucks but it doesn't make you a bad person) or "disabled" (do you have a problem with disabled people in general?)
I'm not happy with "Euro-trash" either, which sounds racist. I'm also unclear on the relevance of this person being from South Carolina, or his age.
And I do not agree about calling him "a mental defective" or the "mentally disturbed" comment. Being wrong and being mentally ill are completely different concepts. Don't mix them up.
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