Giandula ???

[Gerard Iglesias]

Hi,

I just see on the french web site MacPlus.net a reference to the chain tools builds by Apple to setup the different apllications for their store... And Cappuccino is listed.

Are you aware of that ?

Great thing :)

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They likely just misinterpreted this article:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/07/apple_developing_flash_alternative_named_gianduia.html




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[grant neale]

Does anyone know anything about this "Gianduia" ? In Italy it's a very nice icecream. :)

[stephen white]

On 08/05/2010, at 5:49 PM, grant neale wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about this "Gianduia" ? In Italy it's a
> very nice icecream. :)

You can get an idea of it from looking at this file:

http://concierge.apple.com/concierge/18110/scripts/common/ccweb/1-2-SNAPSHOT/AppKit/NSAnimation.js

It doesn't look interesting to me.

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[Brad Hutchins]

Don't know, Have not seen a Demo yet.

[grant neale]

But this seems definitely Apple's home grown stuff right?!

[Randy Luecke]

It's nothing special and not a story at all… It's old, and will never
see the light of day (from the public's perspective)

https://twitter.com/rentzsch/status/2060717454
http://rentzsch.tumblr.com/post/286536824/apples-myriad-javascript-frameworks

(make note of the date in the tweet)

-Randy

On May 8, 8:46 am, grant neale <gne...@mac.com> wrote:
> But this seems definitely Apple's home grown stuff right?!
>
> On May 8, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Brad Hutchins wrote:
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> > Don't know, Have not seen a Demo yet.
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> > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:41 AM, stephen white <st...@adam.com.au> wrote:
> > On 08/05/2010, at 5:49 PM, grant neale wrote:
> > Does anyone know anything about this "Gianduia" ? In Italy it's a very nice icecream. :)
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> > You can get an idea of it from looking at this file:
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> >        http://concierge.apple.com/concierge/18110/scripts/common/ccweb/1-2-S...

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> > It doesn't look interesting to me.
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[meelash]

> You can get an idea of it from looking at this file:
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>        http://concierge.apple.com/concierge/18110/scripts/common/ccweb/1-2-S...

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> It doesn't look interesting to me.
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That's probably not what it looks like when actually writing it
though, right? Like if you looked at Application.js of a cappuccino
program.

[meelash]

How do you know it will never see the light of day- because there's no
incentive for Apple to release it? I could think of some scenarios
where Apple might decide to release some software package in this
area, but I agree it doesn't seem likely in the near future.

On May 8, 12:26 pm, Randy Luecke <rclconce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's nothing special and not a story at all… It's old, and will never
> see the light of day (from the public's perspective)
>

> https://twitter.com/rentzsch/status/2060717454http://rentzsch.tumblr.com/post/286536824/apples-myriad-javascript-fr...

[Randy Luecke]

Apple uses a half a dozen javascript frameworks (documented all over
the web, including the link I provided); most of which are internal,
developed by each team independent of each other. Apple doesn't care
about web app.

On May 8, 7:33 pm, meelash <meel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How do you know it will never see the light of day- because there's no
> incentive for Apple to release it? I could think of some scenarios
> where Apple might decide to release some software package in this
> area, but I agree it doesn't seem likely in the near future.
>
> On May 8, 12:26 pm, Randy Luecke <rclconce...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > It's nothing special and not a story at all… It's old, and will never
> > see the light of day (from the public's perspective)
>

> >https://twitter.com/rentzsch/status/2060717454http://rentzsch.tumblr.......

[stephen white]

On 09/05/2010, at 10:00 AM, meelash wrote:
> That's probably not what it looks like when actually writing it
> though, right? Like if you looked at Application.js of a cappuccino

I was looking for something that was different, like Objective-J vs
GWT. So despite being a compiled output, I can see from the source
that Giandula seems to use strings heavily for class naming and
extensions. So it seems like it's more of the same along the lines of
Sproutcore. About the only way that Giandula could be interesting (to
me) would be an even more polished version of Cappuccino to be honest.

To me, the value of Objective-J is being able to use the same
programming mindset across multiple platforms, so that I don't have to
so heavily load my brain with context sensitive considerations. If
you've been around for a while, you may remember AAA+ Software and
Joy. That company no longer exists, and I spent years trying to find
something similar. 280North have achieved that!

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[Jérôme Denanot]

As Apple is using many various JS farmeworks (see http://rentzsch.tumblr.com/post/286536824/apples-myriad-javascript-frameworks), I don't think they have yet an unified solution like Cappuccino is. We will know in June, however Cappuccino still is two years ahead (and we can expect great new upcoming features as usual).

2010/5/9 stephen white <st...@adam.com.au>

[Gerard Iglesias]

We never know...

The java version of WebObject has been developed by two guys at Apple well before the management decided to go that way...

GI

[Jim Roepcke]

Hi all, first post to the list. In a not-so-past life I was a
WebObjects developer, so perhaps I can shed a teeny bit of light on
this...

I wouldn't be surprised if Gianduia was released - Apple very recently
hired the lead developer of the defacto-standard open-source
WebObjects toolchain and of the largest set of open-source WebObjects
frameworks (the same person). They use WO heavily for many massively
strategic systems like the iTunes Store and the Apple Store (online
and retail)... WO's support for creating client-side UIs on par with
Cappuccino/SproutCore is essentially non-existent, so it's not a
stretch to think they'd want something that produces Cappuccino-esque
UI and also dovetails nicely with their existing codebase.

I've seen mention of Apple possibly using Gianduia for their iAd
content, and it's definitely already in public use on Apple's retail
store reservation app.

I doubt Apple's targeting Flash with Gianduia, but if people want to
think that, I don't think Apple would mind (unless of course it really
is just the WebObjects framework made to run in the client instead of
the server and not anything like Flash). But considering how long
they've been working on it, I suppose it's possible they could have
decided to go after Flash with it at the same time as being a general
purpose web application framework.

If you want to learn about what it Gianduia was a year ago you can buy
the WOWODC West 2009 videos, I'm told the Gianduia talk is part of
that package. I haven't seen it so I can't comment on it.

Jim

On May 8, 9:26 am, Randy Luecke <rclconce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's nothing special and not a story at all… It's old, and will never
> see the light of day (from the public's perspective)
>

> https://twitter.com/rentzsch/status/2060717454http://rentzsch.tumblr.com/post/286536824/apples-myriad-javascript-fr...

[Gerard Iglesias]

Interesting

I don't think that techno as WO or Cappuccino CAN replace a tool that build vectoriel animation, but it CAN replace a lot Of we CAN find made with flash

Gerard

Envoyé de mon iPhone

[Louis-Philippe]

Never say never ;)

2010/5/10 Gerard Iglesias <gerard_...@me.com>