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[jeff O]

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Roger --- so much to read. 

.............Give me your opinion on some of this stuff?

 

 

:( Overwhelmed,

JeffO

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From: Admin <sonsa...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 7:46:33 PM
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Click on http://groups.google.com/group/obamas-black-nationalism/web/test
- or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
work.

[Roger Ogden]

Jeff,

 

You should be getting plenty of opinions on this site pretty soon.  Thanks for joining.

 

Roger

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From: jeff O <caj...@yahoo.com>
To: obamas-black...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 7:50:57 PM
Subject: Re: View this page "Test"

[jeff O]

I hope I can handle the volume of info.

I struggle as it is now

& I am preparing to loose my home soon. Yikes!!!!!!!

Will do my best,

JeffO

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From: Roger Ogden <roger...@sbcglobal.net>
To: obamas-black...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 7:54:08 PM

[jeff O]

So much to read. 

..........Give me your opinion on some of this stuff?

 

Message2 CAJeffO /FROM: Edward Noonan (man running for Senate in Yuba County for Independant Party) *

* http://www.4xtreme.org/2010/electedaliens.htm

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California Assembly and State Senate
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How many Elected Officials are not proven to be Legal American Citizens?

http://www.4xtreme.org/CA%20Leg1.htm

 

 

http://www.meetup.com/Stop-Obama/about/

 

 

Overwhelmed!!!!!!!!!!!!

CAJeffO

[80 Spill]

I received an email from a man who does not live in the U.S. He and I carried out a brief conversation as the result of a brilliant expose' he wrote on the collapse of western culture. I've spent many moons studying culture, groups and mobs to 'get a fix' on various questions. His essay solidified virtually every aspect of concern and it was less than 36 pages in length.

I wrote him a letter, praising his work and thanking him for his assessment. I briefly mentioned the 'demise of western' culture and some of the conclusions I have reached.

He sent me another email, asking me personal information and other details about my 'situation'. When ever questions of that nature pop-up I am a bit suspicious; in this case, however, I was reasonably certain that his probative questions reflected the fact he is an analyst for a certain agency we all know and love.

His final correspondence with me was loaded with warnings: The Israel-Iran situation can only end in conflict - nuclear conflict. That portion of his discussion abruptly broke-off.

"The greatest danger America faces is South of the border - You have no idea the extent to which Islam and Al Qaeda have moved into that area. They continue to move across the U.S. border, unimpeded by the meager efforts of poorly trained INS agents and a system crippled by political sensitivity.

He did not go into detail but the nature of his discussion was dire, disturbing. I glossed over it the first time I read it - I usually do when I'm swamped with emails. That night the message he sent bothered me. I returned to my computer and examined his missive more thoroughly.

In the past we have communicated with guys who belong to various alphabet organizations. One of those fellows penetrated my computer, inserted data onto my hard drive then sent us a message: You need to look at your zip files. It was a strange message. That evening I examined my zip files. One of the files was oddly labeled. I opened it. Suddenly, hundreds of pages of data flowed onto the screen - It was internal documents from a certain campaign. My wife was studying FEC data a few days earlier. The moment I asked, "What is this?" She recognized the tags. We immediately forwarded the data to New York. A week later the media was going nuts over the data. Our alphabet friend, who called himself 'ed' or 'sarah' or 'carl' or ....wrote a final missive. "Obama is making things hot here. I can't do this anymore. Sorry. God Bless you and pray for America - We are in serious trouble." Ed was gone.

Now and then someone crops up that wants to share data with us. I have a background in certain arenas that makes me a bit more knowledgeable than some folks. Needless to say, the recent document I received regarding the problems 'south of the border' carries an ominous warning.

I was watching a neat special on the documentary channel this evening. Seems the U.S. lost a uranium based bright boy off the coast of the Carolinas back in the 50s. Imagine that. We haven't been able to find it since. I hope it doesn't pollute the water. Imagine if five of those damn things were lost in anywhere USA - how would we find them? I'm just glad stuff like that doesn't happen anymore and we have a full lock-down on most of our equipment.

Any how, I'm borrowing my wife's computer for the time and she wants it back. I was supposed to take mine into the shop today for repairs but the weather interfered. This damn global waming snow is really a problem.
Take care,
Bob

[Roger Ogden]

Jeff,

 

Obama's church is not a traditional Christian church, but has a Black Natonalist doctrine that is fundamentaly based on hate of the white race, America and traditional Christianity.  I would say that it is a racist occult religion and a lot like the occult belief system of the Nazis, only reversed.  The doctrine of his church is based largely on the Nation of Islam, which is also not traditional Islam, but a racist occult belief system with trappings of Islam.  Both doctrines call for a Black Messiah to manifest himself and destroy America and the white race as well as traditional Christianity. 

 

Maybe Obama believes this, maybe not.  It does not really matter, because anyone in a group like this for 20 years should be automatically disqualified from being president.  The media and most people do not want to talk about this.  So, I am trying to find people that are willing to discuss it and bring them together.

 

Don't have time to go into too much detail right now, but we will be talking about it.  We also need to try to recruit more like-minded people.  Please send anyone that may be interested the link to this group:

 

http://groups.google.com/group/obamas-black-nationalism

 

Roger

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From: jeff O <caj...@yahoo.com>
To: obamas-black...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 9:08:11 PM
Subject: How about a 2nd opinion?

[80 Spill]

In his book, Dream from My Father, Obama discusses the conversion of Malcolm X to a deeper understanding of Islam and the possibility that if whites converted to Islam there was a possibility some members of the white race could 'get along' -

"And, too: If Malcolm's discovdry toward the end of his life, that some whites might live beside him a brothers in Islam, seemed to offer some hope of eventual reconciliation, that hope appeared in a distant future, in a far-off land. In the meantime, I looked to see where the people would come from who willing to work toward this future and populate this new world." Barack Obama, Dreams from My Father, pg 86 (Emphasis mine).

Gentlemen, can there be any doubt that Obama is a Muslim? His book is filled with the knowledge he gained about the NOI through a fictitious character he calls "Rafiq" - I believe Rafiq is Obama's alter personality and was created to protect him from the fall out he would receive for being a member of the NOI.

Also: Take a close look at MLK's "I had a dream speech". Standing immediately behind him are members of the NOI.
Bob

[Roger Ogden]

The Nation of Islam is is a black sect and not Islam.  It is very misleading to call them Muslim.  Orthodox Muslims do not recognize the Nation of Islam.  Orthodox Muslims not worship at the "Mosques" of the NOI for example.  The idea that Obama is a Muslim has really hampered people from understanding what he really is.  Black Nationalists call themselves Muslims, the original Jews and Christians, but they are not any of those.

 

Roger

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[80 Spill]

Walking into an NOI Savior's Day Convention is an eerie feeling - Christ on one side, Allah on the other. It's all a 'scam' used to conceal the purpose: Black Power.

As regards Obama - He can't be a Muslim but he can profess to certain Muslim beliefs just as Malcolm X and Elijah and all of the other NOI have done. I agree that they are 'pretend' Muslims - A perverted assortment of Biblical and Koranic ideologies - but, and this is a big BUT, they pretentiously use the Koran as an illusory doctrine behind which much madness is concealed. Then, too, there are legal reasons the NOI describes itself as Muslim: The Consitution protects them. Thus we see Muslim training camps all over the country that the FBI cannot penetrate as it would be a violation of the Consitution. Also, remember that members of the NOI exploited their Muslim beliefs during WWII, the Korean and Viet Nam wars to keep them from having to serve in the military - Isn't this unbelievable!

The sad fact is, and it is a fact, the 'real' Muslim community is penetrating urban communities and jails for the purpose of recruiting 'wanna be' Muslims who will do "Allah's will" - Black hatred for the white man is readily exploited by Muslims and though neither Obama nor his friends at the NOI are devout Muslims they are just dumb enough or motivated enough to use that ideology to validate their message and force cohesion in the ranks. This 'proces's' is the same methodology used by Jihadists in third world countries to recruit dumb-asses to the Muslim cause. The NOI is to Islam what security guards at Macy's are to the FBI - Even so their passions are readily exploitable. Hell, NOI members even get to dress like 'real' Muslims - In their limpid minds that makes them Muslim. Ha ha.

This is not the first time in history an ideology has been exploited by 'true believers' to cause the masses to act against an oppressor - The Crusades? Group psychology and the mass effect of group pressure can and does persuade non-adherents to participate in all sorts of havoc with even a small dose of ideological indoctrination.

I respectfully disagree that the NOI is a 'sect' - It is a 'faction'; as such it has become a major player in the issue of race - that's agreed. I'm not trying to hedge minutia here as the concept of a sect fails to imply that it has any affect what so ever on other groups. Sects act within the dimensions of their own ideology and are generally harmless to other groups even though today we tend to use 'sect' as a catch-all phrase for any group that identifies itself outside of the norm of acceptable behavior. The mental picture most Americans have of a sect is that of a group that is largely self-destructive (Jim Jones is an example - there are others I can't recall at this writing)

Generally, sects create values that are different than those held by the larger group while factions have values that are in opposition to the larger group thus causing conflict between the two. As an aside, we are in the throes of the factionalization of this nation mostly because the liberals refuse to allow opposing values.

By calling the NOI a 'faction' we can neatly fit the NOI into discussions on factions as described in The Federalist - there's a method to my madness. Our founding fathers recognized the dangers of factions and discuss the matter at length in a number of the early Federalist Papers.

Have to run...
Bob

[Admin]

The main thing is that Black Liberation Theology sees white society,
America and the traditional church as the ultimate, satanic evil in
the World. That is documented in the books on Black Liberation
Theology and it should be unacceptable that a president was in such a
group for twenty years. The rest is pretty much a distraction. This
should have been explained to the public by the media or other
politicians, but was not. The important question is really how to get
people to focus on that. This is not orthodox Muslim belief, but it
is the important issue. The rest is not really worth arguing about.

The idea that he invented "Rafik" may be correct, so that he does not
associate himself with Farrakhan in his book.

[Admin]

Bob,

Another possibility is that Rafik is a composite of Black Muslims that
Obama has associated with, a fake character made up so that people
would not investigate the real person or persons that Rafik
represents. Wright's church could be considered an offshoot of the
NOI. The beliefs are similar, although BLT is written a bit more
subtly than that of the NOI. Being in a church based on BLT is bad
enough. Their theology is already that white society is satanic and
must be destroyed to create a millennial kindom on Earth. Why would
it be necessary to postulate something else?

Malcolm X has been romanticized, but I doubt that he ever changed his
basic views that much. He just recognized that it was necessary to
work with white extremists, if he were to realistically hope to be
able to achieve anything.

Roger

[80 Spill]

I absolutely agree. Minutia simply serves to cause divisions -

Anyhow, as I have mentioned in the past, I belong to a number of South African groups. Their direct experience with black is shocking even for the casual observer. A couple of my 'buds' head-up sites with large membership. As you know, overcoming the racist bullshit in this country is next to impossible. Even though you propose to provide a strictly educational site if history holds true the minute the niggers get hold of the validity of the site they will pounce on it with a vengeance and all hell will break loose - According to what you've said you've experienced that more than I. If we threw in a couple of thousand folks from SA and Europe to join the group and thereby discussed our mutual experiences and knowledge maybe the numbers would be too overwhelming to allow a shut-down of the site or at least we would make solid future connections.

I've spent two years negotiating the insanity in SA and paralleling the history and present of SA with our own. As I recently wrote, Obama appears to be modeling much if not all of his efforts after the SA model. But when I think about it maybe, just maybe, both SA and Obama are using an identical model - Saul Alinsky or something in that vein? That likely explains why we are seeing Obama move at an accelerated pace that is pushing the U.S. way ahead of schedule. See, three years ago we did an analysis of the US and SA and compared the two along economic, crime, military, cultural....etc. lines. When comleted, it appeared the US was about 14 years or slightly less behind SA. Then came Obama. We have made no attempt to remodel the situation as there is no need to do so. My deepest concern, and yours, are those influences that fly beneath the radar of white America - just as certain aspects of BN an BLT have continued to flow beneath the radar of white SAns. Even though over 40,000 whites have now been murdered by blacks in SA since '94 there are many whites who refuse to believe the attacks are race driven or have anything what so ever to do with BN of BLT. Adrianna Stuijt, the leading proponent to have the Boer farm murders declared genocide, flat-out rejected any suggestion that BN or BLT exist in SA. She called me "an idiot". I invited a Boer friend in SA into the conversation - He could speak her language. Following a brief conversation my Boer friend wrote me: "She is all fucked-up," He wrote,"She hates Americans." Sure enough, the next missive I received from her was a diatribe about how America had failed SA in its hour of need. I haven't spoken with her since. Another Boer friend wrote to tell me that he had spoken with Adrianna - "She is afraid of your knowledge," He said. "She needs to be the queen - regardless of the consequences her selfishness holds for white South Africans."

Understand, Roger, we are talking about a group of people who are being exterminated and their leaders and many  members have nothing better to do than argue - To this date all efforts to unify the 125,000 or more Boers have failed. My point? How are we going to unify whites in this country even as the guillotines that will cut their heads off are being constructed in their back yards? I'm not implying we shouldn't try; I am saying we have to do it better than anyone has ever done it before. A whole lot better.
Be safe,
Bob

[Roger Ogden]

Bob,

 

I have to delete any messages that contain racial epithets, sorry. 

 

Roger

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From: 80 Spill <ads...@gmail.com>
To: obamas-black...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 4:52:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Black-Nat-29] Re: [Black-Nationalism] Re: How about a 2nd opinion?

[80 Spill]

That's fine. I used the 'N-word' on purpose. Are other folks reading our correspondence? I should inform you that until two years ago I never used the 'n-word' - Publicly I still don't as not all blacks fit that description. By that same point of focus, however, every time I hear a black speaker casually use 'white' while talking my blood boils.

Those of us who have studied the linguistics of hate know that 'white' in the black community is synonymous with 'evil'; 'devil'; 'oppressor'; 'captor'; 'slave master' and so on. Propriety may dictate that the n-word is unacceptable expression; propriety fails to address the demonizing of 'white' by the addition of a few well-placed adjectives and conditional phrases.

As difficult as it is for me to maintain some level of civility when it comes to the hypocrisy of dialogue and behavior that flows through our culture I refrain from offering offense until offense is offered.

I would apologize but, hey, you know how WHITE people are. ha ha
Bob

[Kathi Ward]

Guys, I hope you don't mind me putting my 2 cents in here.  I am white, married to a black man for 36 years.  We don't normally use the N word - at least I don't - but my kids and their friends use it among themselves - they just get annoyed when a white person uses it.  I have been living in a mixed community for over 40 years now, and quite frankly, I've never heard "white" being used as anything but a description.  White sounds better than "honkey" or any of the rest of the slur words for white.  What other word should they use than white?  We use black & white here as descriptions.  So, apparently I've been missing something for a very long time. Kathi --- On Wed, 2/10/10, 80 Spill <ads...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Roger Ogden]

Kathi,

 

I have never heard the word "white" used as a racial epithet either.  Just for the record, I will not be offended, if anyone calls me "white," although I am not actually 100% white either.  ;-)

 

I don't want to make this site about race, but about Obama's membership in a racist group.  There is a difference.  I don't necessarily believe that it is the ultimate mortal sin, but using racial epithets in a derogatory way will only distract from the discussion or Obama's racism.

Roger

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From: Kathi Ward <speci...@sbcglobal.net>
To: obamas-black...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 7:11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Black-Nat-36] Re: [Black-Nationalism] Re: How about a 2nd opinion?

[80 Spill]

As stated, my use of the "N-word" was intentional.

Predatory and cannibalistic -To those concepts I must add 'oblivious'.

Throughout his book Obama demonizes a particular race of people; interwoven in Farrakhan's speeches is the demonization of a particular race of people; Reverend Wright unabashedly excoriates a particular race of people; Dr James Cone accuses a particular race of people of all sorts of evil; Jackson and Sharpton vigorously pursue a particular race of people with unrestrained disdain; black athletes, movie stars, commentators, authors, musicians characterize a particular race of people as being devilish, evil, selfish, destructive, oppressive and soul-less; movies portray a particular race of people as slave masters, oppressors, captors and purveyors of hate; magazines, newspapers, books, You Tube videos, blogs, web sites, documentaries and footnotes characterize a particular race of people as corrupt, evil and vile. And more....

This evening a documentary portrayed Nelson Mandela as a heroic, decent victim of an oppressive, evil race (Nelson Mandela: A Hero). This evening another documentary brought the slave trade to front and center - demonstrating that a certain evil race not only kept slaves but also employed bounty hunters to capture escaped slave (Slave Catchers, Slave Resistors). This evening a documentary showed a group of musicians, the descendants of slaves, celebrating black history month at the White House (Performance at The White House). This evening a movie showed the selfish shallowness of a particular race as an innocent black soldier is charged with murder following WWII (Hart's War). This evening another movie demonstrated the selfishness of a certain race of people who stole cheer leading ideas from an urban cheer leading squad. (Bring It On).

I'm truly glad we have had an array of experiences in our culture. I'm delighted when someone whose color differs from my own does not hold me to history's errors or condemn me for matters over which I had no power and to which I made no contribution. As regards the oppressed masses who throw a blanket indictment over my race, well, "Me thinks they protest too loudly." 

Perhaps my perspective is all wrong. Either that or my genius is poking through and confounding mortals who lack the capacity to grasp the danger of hate-laden messages. Recently I witnessed a group of Americans holding signs. The signs had pictures of Obama portrayed as Hitler while other signs had swastikas on them - a symbolic inference, I suppose, that the connection can be made between Obama's values systems and the EVIL the swastika and Hitler represent. Am I drawing too much from these visual, symbolic references? I think not. In fact, I THINK that too many Americans are oblivious to the liability of their beliefs; beliefs that, when errantly composed, allow more than hate to carve a place in our culture. The use of symbols to get a message across is commonplace; so, too, is the use of descriptive words and phrases that define the meaning of another word. "A dirty road" bares little resemblance to "A clean road" and "The white man is an oppressor" bares little resemblance to "The white man is an angel."

Perhaps my argument that within much of the black community 'white' is synonymous with 'evil'  might have been accomplished by showing pictures of lynched black men surrounded by a group of whites. Or, better, a more recent picture of white cops releasing German shepherds on freedom marchers in Selma might have clarified that 'white' and 'evil' are synonymous. I would have used  those pictures but they are so frequently used the message is now subconsciously ingrained. The fact that we cannot retrace history anymore than we can stop a bullet has no relevance to what little sane conversation occurs on race in Western culture. No, liberals, the Diaspora and all peoples who deem themselves members of the oppressed masses have to demonize white to validate their rage and the conditions of their lives: After all, you cannot have an oppressed race without an oppressor.

Those who say, "The word 'white' has no symbolic reference to 'evil'" do not live on the same planet I live on. Against whom, may I ask, is the vindictive of 'black', 'brown' and 'yellow' directed? How is it possible that a person with even moderate intelligence would fail to grasp the rational idea that when the 'white' is demonized, 'white' becomes the demon?

Our culture is not like a bad oil painting that can be softened with a little texturing of the pigments or smoothing of rough strokes. The current picture of our culture is best described as a conglomeration of opposing, contrasting and conflicting rigid ideologies. We have become factions, divided by ideologies and convictions and inexplicable passions that are forcing the inevitability of conflict no matter how we choose to smooth the strokes. The tragedy, and it will be a tragedy, is that history is again recording the proposition that the only way for one  race to prosper is for another to be diminished or exterminated. Environmental justice, for instance, is yet another conduit through which the minority becomes the victim of the 'white oppressor'. Is it necessary for 'white' to be the demon for the minority to achieve its goals?

Blacks have  not escaped the bonds of slavery, and will not, so long as everything they do, every aspect of their lives, every problem they encounter or difficulty they must overcome is blamed on 'white' - Katrina; poverty; education; crime; pregnancy; unemployment....ad nausea. Blacks depend upon blame to rationalize their dependence upon 'white' for nearly every aspect of their culture. Not unlike the guilty child who angrily lashes out at his parents after stealing ten dollars from the family, blacks are lashing out at whites in response to the guilt they must feel or should feel for parlaying self-inflicted misery into a flood of anger and blame directed at 'white'.

Since the time of Roosevelt we have raised a culture within a culture. We have allowed black culture to exploit every mistake 'white' has ever made. We have pandered to black leaders - including Obama - who insist all faults within the black community are 'other inflicted'; the 'others' being 'white', of course. We have expanded upon the diseased state of black dependency coupled with blame coupled with rationalizations for self-destructive and other-destructive behavior in the black community. We have pandered to blacks, erroneously choosing to believe that feeding the demon will pacify the demon. In fact, since Roosevelt, the demon has grown: The forty pound child now weighs two-hundred pounds and the nature of his complaints and the intensity of his anger has grown to the point that a collision between guilty parent and angry child is inevitable. Either that or we must accept the fact that blame and anger will flow from the black community to the white community without restraint or moral sanity. We must adjust to the fact that 'white' will be held responsible for all sorts of ills that afflict the black community and, therefore, it will be the duty of whites, just as it has always been, to cure those ills with massive entitlement programs and especial treatment that causes the rational mind to wonder who is the slave and who is the master? These matters are real; they have been real; they will continue to be real - We cannot expect the angry child we have raised to suddenly change his behavior anymore than whites are capable of grasping the diseased nature of the relationship 'white' and 'black' share.  What, I ask, will happen when the choice must be made between national security and welfare? What will happen when our nation's coffer has run dry and we must make the choice between feeding the child or protecting our homeland? What reaction will be issued from the black community and at whom will it be directed? While whites may be characterized as stupid, the history of this nation during the past sixty plus years has demonstrated beyond any doubt that blacks are selfish - As Obama has written, "The pain and suffering it causes whites is of little consequence." I mean, hey, whites are devils and as such deserve nothing but the worst which is best expressed by hate. 

By definition hate commands action: Hate is not a passive verb that rests between'we' and 'them'  (We HATE them). My position has been and shall continue to be an argument against hate and a refusal of those indictments against my race that condemn me for acts I have not committed and demands I am unwilling to meet. Because I am not oblivious to the liability of choosing denial rather than truth or seeking compromise rather than resistance, I passionately and vehemently resist the demonization of my race and I refuse to hide behind political correctness or disguise truth by playing hide-and-go-seek with racial issues. The stakes are too high.

I recall a  recent State of the Black Nation wherein the conversation flowed for hours. The black spokespeople - who may or may not have been members of the NOI, or black nationalists or black liberation theologists openly discussed the 'oppressor'. What race, pray tell, might that 'oppressor' be? During the conversation the 'oppressor' was held responsible for every ill in the black community. The audience of more than three thousand blacks regularly nodded their heads in agreement as one black speaker after another found common ground by characterizing 'white' as 'the oppressor'.

You may be an oppressor, and you may have friends who are oppressors. You may be a racist and you may have friends who are racists. Perhaps you are a current-day slave master or a captor - Only you know your relationship with 'black'. As for me, well, the folks I know, or choose to know, have given greatly to the black community through taxes and tolerance and silence. Many of those folks, just like me, have grown weary of the charges and threats coming from the black community. We have taken up our shields to insulate ourselves from the arrows being launched against our culture, our race and our nation. Some of us have the wisdom to know that you don't go into battle with nothing more than a shield thus we carry unsheathed swords in our free hand, not quite certain whether to continue to tolerate the barrage for as long as our shields will last or launch our own offensive and settle the matter once and for all. We are not haters but we have grown weary of being hated and we are tired of the necessity of carrying a shield. We are tired of the siege.

Western culture and the white race are in a state of siege. "White" is being demonized. "White" has become the garbage can for all of the worlds bitter complaints, discontent and....hate. The picture I see, the picture that has been clearly and distinctly painted to describe "White", needs no correction or modification to describe its content - The content is all too clear.

'Whites' who fail to grasp the liability of their color, to see 'white' through the eyes of 'white' haters - whether those haters are brown, black, yellow or white - will live to know another truth - to see yet another of history's canvases stroked with blood. Eric Holder stated our nation is incapable of an honest discussion on race - Remember? I am. Because I know, and as I have again proved, the process we are using to openly and frankly discuss race include our desire to avoid truth. And when the obvious becomes obvious, when the liability of our race is well known to us, we choose to play hide-and-go-seek with the reality of conditions - A fact that causes our detractors to laugh mightily as we cannibalize one another or suicidally avoid frank discussions - Is it not obvious that in the minds of many blacks,  'white' is only 'good' when 'white' remains silent as 'blacks' spew message after message of hate directed at 'white'? When will many whites realize that before they will be hung they must be condemned? The messages of hatred for 'white' coming out of the black community are forging the nails that will one day hold the gallows together.

Asking me to believe that the word 'white' within the much of the black community does not  carry the symbolism or 'evil' and cause the emotion of hate, resentment, anger, distrust and rage is like asking me to believe that 'Jew' was innocuous in Nazi Germany.  Sell that crap to the garbage man.

I apologize for discussing race. I haven't yet gained the wisdom or skills to talk about racism without talking about race. Perhaps a more artful writer can provide an example.
Bob

[Roger Ogden]

Bob,

 

You are not from San Diego, so you do not know.  The people in my anti-Obama group, may be mostly white, but many are of all colors and ethnic groups.  I am happy about that, not because I would like to see them being held up as a token, like many Tea Parties do, but because they generally do not have the guilt trip that a lot of white people have these days that prevent them from having a critical view of Obama.  So, you should consider that you are not necessarily talking to a group of lilly-white people that have been brainwashed by the media and are on some kind of guilt trip. 

 

The purpose of this group is to inform people about Obama's Black Nationalism.  Hopefully, the discussion can stay more about facts and history and not so much about collective beliefs of one group or the other that can not be proven.

 

Roger 

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From: 80 Spill <ads...@gmail.com>
To: obamas-black...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 2:54:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Black-Nat-38] Re: [Black-Nationalism] Re: How about a 2nd opinion?

[80 Spill]

Understood.

[Roger Ogden]

Bob,

 

Kathi's husband is a Marine who fought in Vietnam and who comes to our anti-Obama protests.  Rudy is also a Marine of Korean war vintage.  I would say probably the majority of Marines, or close to it, are black or hispanic.  We have a lot of retired Marines in San Diego, due to the proximity of Camp Pendleton, as well as a lot of other retired military.  The population tends to be quite a bit more pro-US than the rest of California, because we are a military town. 

 

Roger

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