Morning vs Afternoon confusion

[Raymond Sheh]

Hi All!


We've had a question come up about morning vs afternoon being different
runs and normalized differently ... I think there's a little bit of
confusion stemming from two separate features of the competition that
nominally line up on the morning/afternoon break.

1: A given apparatus, with two settings, is treated as two tests. For
example, we don't compare incline and center set to horizontal with
incline and center set to inclined ... they are two completely separate
tests as far as scoring is concerned. They are normalized separately,
added up separately, and so-on.

1a: Note that the same setting for the same apparatus on different days
is treated as the same. A team that does a test at the difficult setting
on day 1 is treated exactly as if they did that test, on the same
setting, on day 2.

2: For tests that have an easy and a hard setting (e.g., incline and
center flat vs incline and center inclined) we give all teams the
opportunity to do them easy in the morning, and then in the afternoon we
make them hard. We can be flexible about when we change this, for
instance if on the second day, only one team wants to do it easy but
lots of teams want to do it hard, we can do the change early (making
sure to schedule a time slot free to actually do the change).
Alternatively, if on the first day no-one is interested in doing the
hard one, we could simply not change at all on the first day.


So *if* the change happens during the lunch break, then yes the morning
and afternoon runs are treated separately, not because of any
morning/afternoon difference, but because that's when the change happens
to have happened. If the change happens early or late (or not at all)
then the normalization follows when the change happens, not the time.


I hope that clarifies things!


Cheers!

- Raymond

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[Raymond Sheh]

Hi All!

Just to follow up, I've just been informed that "Incline and Center" and
"K-Rails" were set to the hard setting ("Inclined" and "Crossover Slope"
respectively) all day today. In this case, all of the scores should be
treated the same across morning and afternoon (because the apparatus
stayed at the same setting).

If the setting stays as it is tomorrow, then tomorrow's runs will also
be treated the same as today's. If it changes at some point to
"Horizontal" and "Horizontal" respectively, then those runs will be
treated differently, whenever that change happens.

Cheers!

- Raymond

[Erick Sanchez]

Hi all,

Raymond just a quick comment, we couldnt remove the legs of the incline and center.
The same thing happen with krails because we couldnt remove the ramps to have the field in the flat position.

The legs and the ramps in both cases are screwed, and glued and also they used staples.

Tomorrow morning, I will try to remove that in a different way, if I can, we’ll run both sets in the configuration that is missing.

Thanks

Erick

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[Raymond Sheh]

Hi Erick,

Ahhh I was wondering! Thanks so much for your efforts.

I'm not sure what other resources you have there but perhaps raising the
end of "incline and center" to level it back out is an option?

Regarding K-Rails, do any teams wish to run it in the "horizontal"
setting? If not, then perhaps it's OK to leave it as it is? Of course if
any teams *do* want to run it "horizontal" then it is worth going to
some effort to do this. I don't know how well screwed/glued in they are,
is 'borrowing' some beams from Major to create a new center piece that's
horizontal an option?

(You can tell that I wish I was there to help you all run this and see
how your robots perform!)

Cheers!

- Raymond

P.S. Yes I'm going to go into the construction guide and make a note
that these should be removable ... I guess the carpenters thought they
were going above and beyond!

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[Erick Sanchez]

Hi again, 

Yes , I m pretty sure that if I cut , some wood that they have as scrap, I can create legs for the other side in the incline and center to have it horizontal, I will do that just arriving, In the case of krail , I,ll try but im not sure of that will be posibble. 

Tomorrow I can tell you how it goes.

Thanks

Erick