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Tony
Dec 26, 2012, 12:58:58 AM12/26/12
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Gil <G...@nilspam.xyz> wrote:
>On 25/12/2012 5:53 PM, Frank Williams wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:10:14 -0500, stan....@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:26:08 -0800, Daniel Prince <neut...@ca.rr.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>> Are there any inkjet printers that do not clog up? Would I be
>>>> better off getting a laser printer? Do laser printers have problems
>>>> with infrequent use? Are they more reliable than inkjet printers?
>>>
>>> Canon inkjets do not clog. I have been using Canon printers for the past
>>>ten years for photos, and
>>> only get them out once or twice a year to do a marathon photo printing
>>>session. I have never had one
>>> clog, even after sitting for months of without being used.
>>
>>
>> I would not touch a Canon if you paid me to, utter Crap Bubble jet that
>> the heads burn out, go Epson any time, as least they do make
>> professional Ink Jet printers that can use any type of ink.
>>
>
>
>I'll call you on that - BS!
>
>Used HPs, Cannons, Epsons, as well as a few others over the past 25
>years. The only one that I ever had problems with was the Epson. You
>obviously don't care about the color quality of things you print so keep
>your 'any type of ink' along with your 'wonderful' Epson and shove them
>where the sun don't shine!
It's a typical Roger rant.
He is wrong more often that I have had hot dinners and he constantly misleads
others with what I believe is deliberate intent.
I have to say I have seen Canon printers with burnt out printheads but for
every one I have seen, I have seen 20 Epson printers with clogs that were
difficult and often impossible to clear.
If Roger knew anything about printers he would understand why Epson printers
clog. Piezo electric printheads produce terrific results but are prone to clogs
and Epson printers use much more ink in cleaning than Canon pronters do.
Tony
>On 25/12/2012 5:53 PM, Frank Williams wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:10:14 -0500, stan....@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:26:08 -0800, Daniel Prince <neut...@ca.rr.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>> Are there any inkjet printers that do not clog up? Would I be
>>>> better off getting a laser printer? Do laser printers have problems
>>>> with infrequent use? Are they more reliable than inkjet printers?
>>>
>>> Canon inkjets do not clog. I have been using Canon printers for the past
>>>ten years for photos, and
>>> only get them out once or twice a year to do a marathon photo printing
>>>session. I have never had one
>>> clog, even after sitting for months of without being used.
>>
>>
>> I would not touch a Canon if you paid me to, utter Crap Bubble jet that
>> the heads burn out, go Epson any time, as least they do make
>> professional Ink Jet printers that can use any type of ink.
>>
>
>
>I'll call you on that - BS!
>
>Used HPs, Cannons, Epsons, as well as a few others over the past 25
>years. The only one that I ever had problems with was the Epson. You
>obviously don't care about the color quality of things you print so keep
>your 'any type of ink' along with your 'wonderful' Epson and shove them
>where the sun don't shine!
It's a typical Roger rant.
He is wrong more often that I have had hot dinners and he constantly misleads
others with what I believe is deliberate intent.
I have to say I have seen Canon printers with burnt out printheads but for
every one I have seen, I have seen 20 Epson printers with clogs that were
difficult and often impossible to clear.
If Roger knew anything about printers he would understand why Epson printers
clog. Piezo electric printheads produce terrific results but are prone to clogs
and Epson printers use much more ink in cleaning than Canon pronters do.
Tony
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EMB
Dec 26, 2012, 6:17:03 AM12/26/12
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On 26/12/2012 9:39 p.m., Frank Williams wrote:
>
> Do Canon even make A3 or bigger paper format with 8 Colours..?
>
You're still too stupid to use google I see Woger.
Canon make 8, 10 and 12 colour inkjets covering sizes from SRA3 to over
2A0. eg.
https://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/printers_multifunction/professional_large_format_inkjet_printers/imageprograf_ipf9400
FUSET
>
> Do Canon even make A3 or bigger paper format with 8 Colours..?
>
You're still too stupid to use google I see Woger.
Canon make 8, 10 and 12 colour inkjets covering sizes from SRA3 to over
2A0. eg.
https://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/printers_multifunction/professional_large_format_inkjet_printers/imageprograf_ipf9400
FUSET
Peter Huebner
Dec 27, 2012, 8:29:04 PM12/27/12
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In article <part1of1.1.C$Ehkj#0Tj...@ue.ph>, Tony says...
seem to clog, which is why I will NOT consider buying another inkjet
from them. We're burning through a fair frew reams of paper here, but
sometimes the thing sits for a fortnight and that can be enough for an
Epson to give trouble.
I am very happy with Canon. Not only is the print quality good, the
install, drivers, and software-related downtime is miles ahead of HP,
who seem to hire people like Roger to write their drivers. And I'm a
long time HP user....
I left HP behind when they refused to fix a printer that was barely out
of warranty "no parts!" and I was amazed at the ease of getting a
networked canon to work, hooked up to the router. The hp software
regularly needed a grease and oil-change at our system as well as on the
neighbour's -- the canon has worked flawlessly for 2-3 years now never
missing a beat.
-P.
> I have to say I have seen Canon printers with burnt out printheads but for
> every one I have seen, I have seen 20 Epson printers with clogs that were
> difficult and often impossible to clear.
> If Roger knew anything about printers he would understand why Epson printers
> clog. Piezo electric printheads produce terrific results but are prone to clogs
> and Epson printers use much more ink in cleaning than Canon pronters do.
> Tony
>
Can only agree. Epson printers that aren't worked several days a week
> every one I have seen, I have seen 20 Epson printers with clogs that were
> difficult and often impossible to clear.
> If Roger knew anything about printers he would understand why Epson printers
> clog. Piezo electric printheads produce terrific results but are prone to clogs
> and Epson printers use much more ink in cleaning than Canon pronters do.
> Tony
>
seem to clog, which is why I will NOT consider buying another inkjet
from them. We're burning through a fair frew reams of paper here, but
sometimes the thing sits for a fortnight and that can be enough for an
Epson to give trouble.
I am very happy with Canon. Not only is the print quality good, the
install, drivers, and software-related downtime is miles ahead of HP,
who seem to hire people like Roger to write their drivers. And I'm a
long time HP user....
I left HP behind when they refused to fix a printer that was barely out
of warranty "no parts!" and I was amazed at the ease of getting a
networked canon to work, hooked up to the router. The hp software
regularly needed a grease and oil-change at our system as well as on the
neighbour's -- the canon has worked flawlessly for 2-3 years now never
missing a beat.
-P.
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Fierce Guppy
Dec 28, 2012, 4:36:16 PM12/28/12
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>"Peter Huebner" wrote in message
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regard to Epson, there's clearly some madness to their method in making the
print head so inaccessible, because it gets clogged all the time. I can't
be bothered with such a poorly designed mechanism. A Canon sounds good.
My workmate has a Canon printer which has lasted him many years.
Tony.
>news:MPG.2b47bd0fb...@news.individual.net...
>Can only agree. Epson printers that aren't worked several days a week
>seem to clog, which is why I will NOT consider buying another inkjet
>from them. We're burning through a fair frew reams of paper here, but
>sometimes the thing sits for a fortnight and that can be enough for an
>Epson to give trouble.
Which is why my Epson Stylus CX5900 is heading to the wheelie bin. In
>seem to clog, which is why I will NOT consider buying another inkjet
>from them. We're burning through a fair frew reams of paper here, but
>sometimes the thing sits for a fortnight and that can be enough for an
>Epson to give trouble.
regard to Epson, there's clearly some madness to their method in making the
print head so inaccessible, because it gets clogged all the time. I can't
be bothered with such a poorly designed mechanism. A Canon sounds good.
My workmate has a Canon printer which has lasted him many years.
Tony.
Tony
Dec 28, 2012, 7:09:40 PM12/28/12
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results but unless you print regularly it will clog and can be a challenge to
clean without removal which as you point out is a complex operation.
There used to be a regular poster here (Arthur Entlich) who produced some
excellent advice on cleaning Epson printheads. Canon printheads can burn out
but it is not a common occurence, at least they are simple to replace which can
be cost effective with their more expensive models.
Tony
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Tony
Dec 29, 2012, 1:31:58 AM12/29/12
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Frank Williams <FWil...@happy.com.ru> wrote:
>You can clean a Epson print head in a few min's with a solvent pad
>placed under the head at the parking station
>
>How is it that I just got a R390, R360 is the US/UK model had been in
>storage for 2 years, it had a faulty cartridge replaced that and it was
>printing from its Original installed Ink cartridges, 82N are a low fill
>one sold in the new printers.
Maybe you are a very lucky person, you found the only Epson printer ever made
that allows easy cleaning of printheads.
Or maybe you are simply delusioned; come to think of it, based on your past
record of rudeness and terrible advice that sounds most likely the reason you
have posted this nonsense here.
Tony
>placed under the head at the parking station
>
>How is it that I just got a R390, R360 is the US/UK model had been in
>storage for 2 years, it had a faulty cartridge replaced that and it was
>printing from its Original installed Ink cartridges, 82N are a low fill
>one sold in the new printers.
Maybe you are a very lucky person, you found the only Epson printer ever made
that allows easy cleaning of printheads.
Or maybe you are simply delusioned; come to think of it, based on your past
record of rudeness and terrible advice that sounds most likely the reason you
have posted this nonsense here.
Tony
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geoff
Dec 30, 2012, 1:59:22 AM12/30/12
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"Peter Huebner" <no....@this.address> wrote in message
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> In article <part1of1.1.C$Ehkj#0Tj...@ue.ph>, Tony says...
>> I have to say I have seen Canon printers with burnt out printheads but
>> for
>> every one I have seen, I have seen 20 Epson printers with clogs that were
>> difficult and often impossible to clear.
I have an inkjet CD printer (Primera) which stipulates that the mains power
>> I have to say I have seen Canon printers with burnt out printheads but
>> for
>> every one I have seen, I have seen 20 Epson printers with clogs that were
>> difficult and often impossible to clear.
should be left on. Just turned off at the 'soft' switch. Presumably there
is some sort of 'whetting' current keeping the heads charged (or whatever).
geoff
geoff
Dec 30, 2012, 2:00:50 AM12/30/12
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"Frank Williams" <FWil...@happy.com.ru> wrote in message
>
> No Facts I have had 4 Epsons ....
They must be really reliable !
geoff
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Bob Eager
Dec 30, 2012, 5:35:31 AM12/30/12
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:30:23 +1300, Frank Williams wrote:
> No its me that's reliable, I know how to drive them, being a Eng I
> prefer the Technology in the Epsom Print Heads, my first Printer was a
> HP with the print head in the Cartridge, and that gummed up all the
> time.
>
> I only use the Epson for Photo prints, Cards and CD/DVD's
>
> But This Brother is my main printer .HL 2040
>
> I have a $2nz brother that I picked up at a Tip recycle center, it was
> just low of Toner, all you need to do is to reset a lever and bock up
> the sensing holes, then some months back got a new Toner for $10 at a Oc
> shop.
>
> Plus reset some counters.
>
> To me its totally Stupid to use a Ink jet for BW printing.
But As He Said You Have Had Four Of Them So They Can't Be That Reliable.
--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor
> prefer the Technology in the Epsom Print Heads, my first Printer was a
> HP with the print head in the Cartridge, and that gummed up all the
> time.
>
> I only use the Epson for Photo prints, Cards and CD/DVD's
>
> But This Brother is my main printer .HL 2040
>
> I have a $2nz brother that I picked up at a Tip recycle center, it was
> just low of Toner, all you need to do is to reset a lever and bock up
> the sensing holes, then some months back got a new Toner for $10 at a Oc
> shop.
>
> Plus reset some counters.
>
> To me its totally Stupid to use a Ink jet for BW printing.
But As He Said You Have Had Four Of Them So They Can't Be That Reliable.
--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor
Matti Partonen
Dec 30, 2012, 6:44:30 AM12/30/12
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"Frank Williams" wrote in message
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> ...
> To me its totally Stupid to use a Ink jet for BW printing.
Even in a situation where you have space for just one printer? Or, in your
opinion, is it totally Stupid to be in such a situation?
Matti P.
Rich Hare
Dec 30, 2012, 7:23:39 AM12/30/12
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Frank Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:00:50 +1300, "geoff" <ge...@nospampaf.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:00:50 +1300, "geoff" <ge...@nospampaf.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> But This Brother is my main printer .HL 2040
>
> I have a $2nz brother that I picked up at a Tip recycle center, it was
> just low of Toner, all you need to do is to reset a lever and bock up
> the sensing holes, then some months back got a new Toner for $10
> at a Oc shop.
>
> Plus reset some counters.
>
>
> I have a $2nz brother that I picked up at a Tip recycle center, it was
> just low of Toner, all you need to do is to reset a lever and bock up
> the sensing holes, then some months back got a new Toner for $10
> at a Oc shop.
>
> Plus reset some counters.
>
> To me its totally Stupid to use a Ink jet for BW printing.
Frank,
I use a HP 2000C for my color printing for many of the reasons that have
been cited here, and a Brother 2040 for my black and white.
I changed a cartridge on my 2040 not too long ago and it didn't take
long for the Brother to start reporting "Out of Toner". I learned,
later, that you're supposed to keep it powered up when you change the
toner cartridge.
Can you tell me (and the rest of the world) how to reset the lever and
block up the sensing holes? Or maybe a link to an internet source for
the process? I've looked and not found one, but have seen hints that
it's do-able.
Rich
(In Michigan, USA)
geoff
Dec 30, 2012, 3:16:30 PM12/30/12
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> Its simple if you power off at the Wall the Print head might not be
> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
> for getting dried up.
No - this nothing to do with head parking.
geoff
> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
> for getting dried up.
No - this nothing to do with head parking.
geoff
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geoff
Dec 31, 2012, 7:29:16 PM12/31/12
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>>> Its simple if you power off at the Wall the Print head might not be
>>> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
>>> for getting dried up.
>>
>>No - this nothing to do with head parking.
>>
>>geoff
>>
>
>
> Go do more Reading as you Are Totally Wrong, I am a Eng and do know what
> I am on about, plus I service printers
Well you sure as fuck aren't a proof-reader or grammar teacher.
I have been a technician for over 30 years, and do know (ACTUALLY know) what
I'm talking about.
geoff
>>> Its simple if you power off at the Wall the Print head might not be
>>> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
>>> for getting dried up.
>>
>>No - this nothing to do with head parking.
>>
>>geoff
>>
>
>
> I am on about, plus I service printers
Well you sure as fuck aren't a proof-reader or grammar teacher.
I have been a technician for over 30 years, and do know (ACTUALLY know) what
I'm talking about.
geoff
Bob Eager
Dec 31, 2012, 7:39:00 PM12/31/12
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:29:16 +1300, geoff wrote:
> "Frank Williams" <FWil...@happy.com.ru> wrote in message
> news:8gj1e8tnsnbhq0gem...@4ax.com...
>
>>>> Its simple if you power off at the Wall the Print head might not be
>>>> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
>>>> for getting dried up.
>>>
>>>No - this nothing to do with head parking.
>>>
>>>geoff
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Go do more Reading as you Are Totally Wrong, I am a Eng and do know
>> what I am on about, plus I service printers
>
>
> Well you sure as fuck aren't a proof-reader or grammar teacher.
He Certainly Is Not..!
> "Frank Williams" <FWil...@happy.com.ru> wrote in message
> news:8gj1e8tnsnbhq0gem...@4ax.com...
>
>>>> Its simple if you power off at the Wall the Print head might not be
>>>> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
>>>> for getting dried up.
>>>
>>>No - this nothing to do with head parking.
>>>
>>>geoff
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Go do more Reading as you Are Totally Wrong, I am a Eng and do know
>> what I am on about, plus I service printers
>
>
> Well you sure as fuck aren't a proof-reader or grammar teacher.
My posts (including this one) are my copyright and if @diy_forums on
Twitter wish to tweet them they can pay me £30 a post
*lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor
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EMB
Jan 1, 2013, 12:05:05 AM1/1/13
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On 1/01/2013 1:39 p.m., Bob Eager wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:29:16 +1300, geoff wrote:
>
>
>> "Frank Williams" <FWil...@happy.com.ru> wrote in message
>> news:8gj1e8tnsnbhq0gem...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>>> Its simple if you power off at the Wall the Print head might not be
>>>>> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
>>>>> for getting dried up.
>>>>
>>>> No - this nothing to do with head parking.
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Go do more Reading as you Are Totally Wrong, I am a Eng and do know
>>> what I am on about, plus I service printers
>>
>>
>> Well you sure as fuck aren't a proof-reader or grammar teacher.
>
> He Certainly Is Not..!
And about the last thing he was an engineer on would have used core
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 13:29:16 +1300, geoff wrote:
>
>
>> "Frank Williams" <FWil...@happy.com.ru> wrote in message
>> news:8gj1e8tnsnbhq0gem...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>>> Its simple if you power off at the Wall the Print head might not be
>>>>> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
>>>>> for getting dried up.
>>>>
>>>> No - this nothing to do with head parking.
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Go do more Reading as you Are Totally Wrong, I am a Eng and do know
>>> what I am on about, plus I service printers
>>
>>
>> Well you sure as fuck aren't a proof-reader or grammar teacher.
>
> He Certainly Is Not..!
memory and tubes.
geoff
Jan 1, 2013, 3:00:59 AM1/1/13
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>
> May be you are a Dud one, have you ever fixed any thing,..?
>
Every day.
How about fixing your keyboard then ? It seems to sponateously capitalise
letters, double-enter letters, and cause strange spelling and grammar.
>
> The Reference that I am on abbout is posted all over the Net recarding
> dont power off at the wall.
This wasn't about the method of powering off. It was about ensuring leaving
the mains plugged in and switched on when the printer itself is (apparently)
turned off.
geoff
>
> May be you are a Dud one, have you ever fixed any thing,..?
>
Every day.
How about fixing your keyboard then ? It seems to sponateously capitalise
letters, double-enter letters, and cause strange spelling and grammar.
>
> The Reference that I am on abbout is posted all over the Net recarding
> dont power off at the wall.
This wasn't about the method of powering off. It was about ensuring leaving
the mains plugged in and switched on when the printer itself is (apparently)
turned off.
geoff
Rich Hare
Jan 1, 2013, 10:29:39 AM1/1/13
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Frank Williams wrote:
> videos, you only need to use the bits at the end on how to reset the
> Flag Gear..
>
> http://www.s-manuals.com/printer/brother_hl-2040
>
> http://hosted.comm100.com/knowledgebase/article.aspx?siteid=137491&id=10
>
> http://www.chernila.by/img/zapravka_pdf/Brother_TN670_Oasis.pdf
>
> • Brother ML-2040 Toner Light Reset
>
>
> 1. Open the Front cover
> 2. Press and hold the GO button
> 3. Power ON the printer while continuing to hold the GO button
> 4. Once the 3 LED’s are lit, release the GO button
> 5. Press the GO button 2 times. This will cause the LED’s to light solid
> 6. With the LED’s lit solid, press the GO button 5 times
> 7. Toner Life End will then reset
> 8. Close the front cover.
>
Frank,
Thank you VERY MUCH for your extensive help. I've looked at all of the
resources you've listed and bookmarked them. Fortunately, the one which
seemed to TOTALLY resolve the problem is the Toner Light Reset which
you've described above. I'm back in business now just fine!
A minor correction to my request, however: My printer is a 2240 (not
2040 as I stated). Makes no difference, I guess... the fix worked!
Again, thank you for your extensive help!
Rich
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:23:39 -0500, Rich Hare <Rich...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Can you tell me (and the rest of the world) how to reset the lever and
>> block up the sensing holes? Or maybe a link to an internet source for
>> the process? I've looked and not found one, but have seen hints that
>> it's do-able.
>>
>> Rich
>> (In Michigan, USA)
>
>
> Here are some more The Flag gear pictures can be seen in the You Tube
> wrote:
>>
>> Can you tell me (and the rest of the world) how to reset the lever and
>> block up the sensing holes? Or maybe a link to an internet source for
>> the process? I've looked and not found one, but have seen hints that
>> it's do-able.
>>
>> Rich
>> (In Michigan, USA)
>
>
> videos, you only need to use the bits at the end on how to reset the
> Flag Gear..
>
> http://www.s-manuals.com/printer/brother_hl-2040
>
> http://hosted.comm100.com/knowledgebase/article.aspx?siteid=137491&id=10
>
> http://www.chernila.by/img/zapravka_pdf/Brother_TN670_Oasis.pdf
>
> • Brother ML-2040 Toner Light Reset
>
>
> 1. Open the Front cover
> 2. Press and hold the GO button
> 3. Power ON the printer while continuing to hold the GO button
> 4. Once the 3 LED’s are lit, release the GO button
> 5. Press the GO button 2 times. This will cause the LED’s to light solid
> 6. With the LED’s lit solid, press the GO button 5 times
> 7. Toner Life End will then reset
> 8. Close the front cover.
>
Frank,
Thank you VERY MUCH for your extensive help. I've looked at all of the
resources you've listed and bookmarked them. Fortunately, the one which
seemed to TOTALLY resolve the problem is the Toner Light Reset which
you've described above. I'm back in business now just fine!
A minor correction to my request, however: My printer is a 2240 (not
2040 as I stated). Makes no difference, I guess... the fix worked!
Again, thank you for your extensive help!
Rich
Gib Bogle
Jan 5, 2013, 2:15:26 AM1/5/13
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On 1/01/2013 1:29 p.m., geoff wrote:
> "Frank Williams" <FWil...@happy.com.ru> wrote in message
> news:8gj1e8tnsnbhq0gem...@4ax.com...
>
>>>> Its simple if you power off at the Wall the Print head might not be
>>>> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
>>>> for getting dried up.
>>>
>>> No - this nothing to do with head parking.
>>>
>>> geoff
>>>
>>
>>
>> Go do more Reading as you Are Totally Wrong, I am a Eng and do know what
>> I am on about, plus I service printers
>
>
> Well you sure as fuck aren't a proof-reader or grammar teacher.
>
> I have been a technician for over 30 years ...
> "Frank Williams" <FWil...@happy.com.ru> wrote in message
> news:8gj1e8tnsnbhq0gem...@4ax.com...
>
>>>> Its simple if you power off at the Wall the Print head might not be
>>>> parked in the bay that covers the print head to Try and stop the Jets
>>>> for getting dried up.
>>>
>>> No - this nothing to do with head parking.
>>>
>>> geoff
>>>
>>
>>
>> Go do more Reading as you Are Totally Wrong, I am a Eng and do know what
>> I am on about, plus I service printers
>
>
> Well you sure as fuck aren't a proof-reader or grammar teacher.
>
Ah, but are you an eng? ;-)
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