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Ice core layers
I was in Denver, Colorado, and a couple of guys said, “Mr. Hovind, we
know that you teach the earth is only 6,000 years old. We would like
to prove you are wrong, come with us please.” I got to go inside the
Denver National Ice Core Laboratory. I got to meet the guys that drill
the holes in Greenland and the South Pole. They actually drill holes
through the ice and pull up a core of ice. Then they save the core in
this freezer, and I went into this freezer-36 below zero! I had a huge
hat, huge suit, thick boots, thick mittens, and my Florida blood was
freezing in two seconds. Did not matter how I was dressed! They drill
these core samples out and they save them in the freezer, I was in
there, it is gigantic. Four times as this building, government is
paying the bill for refrigeration but they do not care! The deepest
hole they have ever drilled is 10,000 feet. It was in the freezer
where I was. They showed me, they had one of these core slabs laid out
and they said, “Mr. Hovind we want you to look at this now. You see
this dark ring and a light ring, just like rings on a tree, that is
what we find in these core sam-ples. They said, what happens in the
summer, it gets warm and so the ice melts a little bit and they get a
clear layer and when it freezes it makes a clear layer of ice. In the
winter it does not melt so the snow presses down and you get a smashed
layer of snow and it turns to what we call milky ice-it has air bubbles
trapped in it. So you have clear and milky and clear and milky and
clear and milky, each of these is called an annual ring. We can count
back 135,000 annual rings, so the earth has to be 135,000 years old.”
I said, “Fellows are you not assuming that each of those rings is an an-
nual ring?” They said, “Well, we know it is. How else would you get
clear ice, milky ice, clear ice, milky ice, I mean it is obvious, look
at it you can see it!” And sure enough I looked on the table, all down
this huge long table; you could see all these rings. Those guys might
not know about the lost squadron.
You know there were some airplanes in Greenland that crash landed
during World War II, they ran out of gas. They landed in Greenland,
1942. A couple of guys thought, you know let’s go get those
airplanes. We ought to put gas in them, dust the snow off the wings
and fly them home. So they went to find the airplanes. When they
finally found them, in 1990, they were under 263 feet of ice. Now
airplanes do not sink in the ice. If you put a penny on an ice cube,
it will slowly sink to the middle-only at room temperature. In the
freezer that will not happen. Plus, airplanes are always nose heavy
and they would have been nose down. These airplanes were dead level,
they did not sink, ice just accumulated on top of them - 263 feet of
ice in 48 years. Well, let’s see, 263 divided by 48 is about 5 1/2
feet a year. And the deepest hole they have ever drilled is 10,000
feet. 10,000 feet divided by 5 1/2 is only 1,800 years. Now I know
the deeper you go the more the ice gets squished because of the
pressure it turns to a product called glacial firn, and the ice kind of
smooths out and all that stuff. But even 4,400 is very reasonable.
4,400 years is reasonable to account for all the ice of the North and
South Pole. So the question is if the earth is billions of years old,
why isn’t there more ice at the North and South Pole? Why is there
only 10,000 feet, would be the question? By the way, I called Bob
Cardin, he dug out one of the airplanes. He lives in Kentucky,
Middleboro, Ken-tucky, right by the Tennessee border. I said, “Bob, I
understand you were the guy that dug the airplane out of the ground.”
He said, “That is correct, I have it in my garage, we are rebuilding
it.” I said, “Bob, when you dug that airplane out, how many layers of
ice were there above the airplane?” He said, “Oh, there were many
hundreds of layers of ice above the airplane.” I said, “Well, Bob, I
was told that each of those layers is a different year - summer,
winter, summer, winter.” He said, “That is impossible! Each of those
layers is a different warm spell - warm, cold, warm, cold, warm,
cold.” You could get 20 of those in one year. We have it around here,
don’t we? It is not summer, win-ter, summer...you see that is their
false assumption and it throws all their data off. By the way, they
then use the ice core sampling, the oxygen O18 and O16 ratios, to try
to validate Carbon 14 dating. So here we have two rubber rulers
measuring against each other. You can come up with any date you want.
The ice cores do not show the earth is billions of years old. They
show less than 6,000 years old easily.


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> Ice core layers
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> You know there were some airplanes in Greenland that crash landed
> during World War II, they ran out of gas. They landed in Greenland,
> 1942. A couple of guys thought, you know let's go get those
> airplanes. We ought to put gas in them, dust the snow off the wings
> and fly them home. So they went to find the airplanes. When they
> finally found them, in 1990, they were under 263 feet of ice.
<snip>

SQ from http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/mar99.html
Sorry, wrong again. The famous Lost Squadron[1] landed on a flowing
glacier, not in a stable ice field. They were covered in a dynamic flow.
Their situation is therefore quite irrelevant to the question of
ice-layer dating. [Also See the Greenland Expedition's Lost Squadron
webpage[2], and the Girl's Story webpage[3], Glacier Girl being the
nickname for the one aricraft rescued from the ice thus far].
EQ

[1] http://www.alumni.gatech.edu/news/alummag/spr95/squadron.html
[2] http://www.lost.dk/
[3] http://www.freeyellow.com/members/datamore/page4.html

Paul Wilkins

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