David's Itinerary
Brian Logan
January
Mon 22 6:45pm New Plymouth
Thu 25 10:40am Wanganui
Fri 26 1:45pm Taupo
Mon 29 11:40am Rotorua
February
Thu 01 6:40pm Gisborne
Sat 03 1:00pm Napier
Mon 05 6:30pm Wellington
Thu 08 6:40pm Christchurch
Sun 11 10:25am Queenstown
Tue 13 4:15pm Te Anau
Sat 17 12:30pm Dunedin
Mon 19 6:30pm Christchurch
Tue 20 4:20pm depart for Sydney
David's going to need a holiday after he finishes New Zealand
Apologies for any errors.
B.
JohnM
<ul...@bigfoot.com> writes
>David's sightseeing itinerary (abbreviated)
-- snip snip --
*shakes head*
He's still on European distances isn't he ?
Squirr, tell him not to overdo it, will you ?
--
JohnM What's written on Insurance Claims #13
"Our insured was sitting in his flat listening to a recording
of 'Cry of the Wild Goose' when a male goose smashed through
the living room window"
Web site http://www.scroll.demon.co.uk/spaver.htm
Brazil 500 travelogue http://www.scroll.demon.co.uk/brazil/index.htm
Brian Logan
> In article <bmfn6toa5rglfke9s...@4ax.com>, Brian Logan
> <ul...@bigfoot.com> writes
> >David's sightseeing itinerary (abbreviated)
>
> -- snip snip --
>
> *shakes head*
>
> He's still on European distances isn't he ?
>
> Squirr, tell him not to overdo it, will you ?
He loses half a day travelling to each centre, sometimes a whole day.
Do you drive John?
B.
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Calum Bennachie
"Brian Logan" <ul...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:94l6i9$rut$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
All the more reason to stay up late at night ;-)
When he gets back, John will have to insist that David have another holiday
just to get over the travel in NZ.
Calum
Brian Logan
>
>"Brian Logan" <ul...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:94l6i9$rut$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> John M <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> > In article <bmfn6toa5rglfke9s...@4ax.com>, Brian Logan
>> > <ul...@bigfoot.com> writes
>> > >David's sightseeing itinerary (abbreviated)
>> >
>> > -- snip snip --
>> >
>> > *shakes head*
>> >
>> > He's still on European distances isn't he ?
>> >
>> > Squirr, tell him not to overdo it, will you ?
>>
>> He loses half a day travelling to each centre, sometimes a whole day.
>>
>> Do you drive John?
>>
>> B.
>
>All the more reason to stay up late at night ;-)
Seems he's the type who needs his sleep.
He's also not the type to have an early evening nap then stay up until
5am, followed by sleeping to 1pm.
>When he gets back, John will have to insist that David have another holiday
>just to get over the travel in NZ.
He's already mentioned a two week holiday when he gets back to the UK.
Next time he comes to NZ he will be able to holiday.
B.
JohnM
writes
>Do you drive John?
Yes, why ?
Brian Logan
John M <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <94l6i9$rut$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Brian Logan
<ul...@bigfoot.com>
> writes
>
> >Do you drive John?
>
> Yes, why ?
Because David didn't want to drive while he was here. The public
transport timetables have restricted him. When you both come back this
won't be a problem if you drive.
Matthew Malthouse
"Calum Bennachie" <benn...@DELETETHISparadise.net.nz> wrote:
} When he gets back, John will have to insist that David have another
holiday
} just to get over the travel in NZ.
Some holiday: I can envision John forcing David to recount every little
detail so that a suitable travelogue can be written; or better still
ghost-written by John.
Matthew
--
The Prince of Darkness is a gentleman
- King Lear, act 3, sc. 4.
Brian Logan
> "Calum Bennachie" <benn...@DELETETHISparadise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> } When he gets back, John will have to insist that David have another
> holiday
> } just to get over the travel in NZ.
>
> Some holiday: I can envision John forcing David to recount every
little
> detail so that a suitable travelogue can be written; or better still
> ghost-written by John.
David is keeping a diary so he'll have everything ready to just type it
up.
Calum Bennachie
Ah, but then, how is he going to see the scenery? One eye on the road and
one eye on the scenery??? Few of us can do so and do it justice.
Calum
(who can cruise and drive safely at the same time)
JohnM
writes
>In article <W$+XClAS8...@scroll.demon.co.uk>,
> John M <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <94l6i9$rut$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Brian Logan
><ul...@bigfoot.com>
>> writes
>>
>> >Do you drive John?
>>
>> Yes, why ?
>
>Because David didn't want to drive while he was here.
I didn't know he could drive.
Anyway, I don't have a car now, coz I live in Central London
(Zone 2 of 6) and just the insurance would cost me over £1000/yr.
I had two cars before that, though. No, three, if you count the use
of a Merc by a disqualified flat mate (18 months)
> The public
>transport timetables have restricted him. When you both come back this
>won't be a problem if you drive.
I do, but I certainly don't like renting a car on my own (so
I give lifts to people). Last time I rented a car was Portugal
in 1995 with my then boyf.
Anyway, the places I've been to recently have been non-nos for renting
cars (South America, South Africa). NZ is
thankfully less crime-ridden, so might consider it, yes.
Last time I was in NZ, I hitched :-)) Oh those were the days when
I was cute :-)) I don't normally hitch, but I was at some Rainbow
Falls (?) up at the 90-mile beach end (?) and I thought I'd have to
spend the night in the wild so it was either hitch to return to
the hostel in Paihia or sleep in the fields.
And what I really remember of NZ ca 1987 (the day I missed
crossing the date line was Black Monday) is that it was
sooooo expensive which is why I stayed only 9 days and
flew to Oz. (Actually, I had to stay in Noumea, NC for three days
for the connections. I was travelling UTA). But I hear things
are cheaper now.
Brian Logan
>>> >Do you drive John?
>>>
>>> Yes, why ?
>>
>>Because David didn't want to drive while he was here.
>
>I didn't know he could drive.
I think that's quite funny, each of you not knowing that about the
other, and probably typical of London. In my two years in the UK I
only hired a car twice, the first to do some sightseeing in Scotland,
the second when I moved from Edinburgh to Newbury over Christmas/New
Year. Other than that I didn't need a car, and I London I wouldn't
have wanted one. In Shetland I could have used one. Hitch-hiking was
sort of easy there. The second car coming along would often be the one
to give me a ride, it just took a couple of hours for it to happen.
>> The public
>>transport timetables have restricted him. When you both come back this
>>won't be a problem if you drive.
>
>I do, but I certainly don't like renting a car on my own (so
>I give lifts to people). Last time I rented a car was Portugal
>in 1995 with my then boyf.
It may not be necessary, with him seeing the out-of-the-way places
this time.
>Anyway, the places I've been to recently have been non-nos for renting
>cars (South America, South Africa). NZ is
>thankfully less crime-ridden, so might consider it, yes.
I don't think I'd want to take the risk in those places either.
>Last time I was in NZ, I hitched :-)) Oh those were the days when
>I was cute :-))
Is this where we say "you're still cute John" ???
>And what I really remember of NZ ca 1987 (the day I missed
>crossing the date line was Black Monday) is that it was
>sooooo expensive which is why I stayed only 9 days and
>flew to Oz. (Actually, I had to stay in Noumea, NC for three days
>for the connections. I was travelling UTA). But I hear things
>are cheaper now.
A lot of changes since then.
B.
Calum Bennachie
> JohnM <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>> >Do you drive John?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, why ?
> >>
> >>Because David didn't want to drive while he was here.
> >
> >I didn't know he could drive.
>
> I think that's quite funny, each of you not knowing that about the
> other, and probably typical of London. In my two years in the UK I
> only hired a car twice, the first to do some sightseeing in Scotland,
> the second when I moved from Edinburgh to Newbury over Christmas/New
> Year. Other than that I didn't need a car, and I London I wouldn't
> have wanted one. In Shetland I could have used one. Hitch-hiking was
> sort of easy there. The second car coming along would often be the one
> to give me a ride, it just took a couple of hours for it to happen.
That sounds about right, 2 cars a day ;-)
Calum
Rosie Salas
In clearing out the study two weeks ago i came across a newspaper
clipping from 1988. (Four page fold)
There is an article about Barry Goldwater. Reading it I find: the
Cold War is warming up, but the Berlin Wall has not fallen yet.
Irangate has just happened. The Gulf War is yet ot come.
There is a third of a page cigarette ad - tobacco advertising is still
legal in the newspapers.
There is a full page Telecom ad warning people to look at the bottoms
of phones to check they have a telepermit. Cell phones have not
arrived on the scene.
Marcos is being indicted.
"Unified Korea possible by end of century"
The Israeli situation is about the same...
But apartheid is still in place in South Africa. Nelson Mandela in
still in Jail.
There is a mentipn of ethnic struggles in Yugoslavia - a mantion of
the Serbs who want a "crackdown on nationalism among ethnic Albanians
in Kosovo.
This is before Beacons of Hope in NZ, the HRA act, the Internet,
Clinton and Monica, Diana, Georgina, Jenny and Helen, - was it before
Hero??
Only 12 and a half years ago... how many of us were out then?
Rosie
Lin Nah
> David's sightseeing itinerary (abbreviated)
> January
> Mon 22 6:45pm New Plymouth
so how was his stay in New Plymouth? No report from Squirrel?
> David's going to need a holiday after he finishes New Zealand
Note to others - this is his itinerary after being persuaded to
miss a few places. IIRC the original had Malborough in it.
Lin
...
I was in South Africa then....i was but a wee thing;) I started questioning
my sexuality then though...Time has certainly flown....
Pax
.(dot:))
JohnM
<rosie...@clear.net.nz> writes
>
>Only 12 and a half years ago... how many of us were out then?
Well, I certainly wasn't :-) I didn't come out properly till
August 1989. I wasn't out in San Francisco ! I worked there
for 1 year and never went to a gay bar. This sounds absurd
now, I know, but that's what being in the closet does for you.
To be frank, I wasn't sure of my sexuality then, although now looking
back it seems so obvious. I kindof fled to the US and started
travelling RTW after I developed a close friendship with a guy
at work which became far too intense. He fled to Holland and
I fled to the US. The trip was an opportunity for me to reflect.
I did actually get married at a young age while still at Uni.
When I returned, I got in touch with him (it took me 3 months
to be able to dial his number) and we got on back together, and
this time our relationship turned sexual during a later trip to
Amsterdam. Then he moved in with me (he was working outside London
but they sent him here) but he was far too scared and disappeared
again. He said he was bisexual (and married in 1995) but had never
had a gf. He actually married the first one he had - a Japanese
language student.
It was after we split I came out properly - we only went
to a semi-gay bar together once - coz I thought that I could only
be happy with someone who was happy with himself (silly now, but
a great discovery then). I was a fruit right to be plucked :-)
The rest is history.
I met up with him again in 1991. We had sex but by then I was
rather more experienced - he was so shocked, he
completely disappeared from my life. I think about him
a lot though: what could have been, you know like marrying
your first love. Well, such is life.
During my stay in NZ had an indirect offer BTW by a Danish guy
(gorgeous) in a hostel in Auckland (near a Queen Elisabeth
Square or something ?) In fact I had an offer by a French
guy in Tahiti, a German guy with whom I travelled in Java,
various ones in Bangkok, someone offered to pay me for sex
in Penang, and in Delhi I was nearly shanghaid by a taxi
driver and his mate and I wasn't even looking for sex.
All that started me thinking :-)
But, oh I remember how expensive NZ was and I shudder...
I was paying the equiv of £11 THEN for a dorm bed
with another 10 pple! This being NZ, it was, of course,,
a mixed dorm.
JohnM
<l...@green.darkmere.gen.nz> writes
>Brian Logan <ul...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> David's sightseeing itinerary (abbreviated)
>
>> January
>> Mon 22 6:45pm New Plymouth
>so how was his stay in New Plymouth? No report from Squirrel?
Oh loads. I don't think he'd mind if I post a travel report
although strictly out-of-Netiquette.
I _have_ taken out any personal refs about both of us.
------------------------------------------------------
From David@Squirr's
Hope you got my email from yesterday. Just a quick word about today.
After a beautiful day yesterday today turned out absolutely terrible
with constant rain, cloud, mist & a strong wind. My tour guide turned
up at 7am to take me to Mount Egmont National Park & hoped the weather
would turn better later that morning. No such luck. By 11am I
suggested we see something that would not be affected by the weather
such as Dawson Falls, Wilkies Ponds, Goblin forest & Stony river.
Managed to get some photos at the few moments when it stopped raining.
Climbing the summit was out of the question with the wind gaining in
strength as one ascends. Actually I was not too disappointed as the
weather was shit & hopeless for photo shots even if we had climbed.
Also I was tired & realised one had to be physically alert & fit to
climb the summit. But I will try Mount Taranaki next time I'm in NZ!!!!
So as you see swidi the weather is so unpredictable in NZ. You need
clothing for all 4 seasons. Wore my thick black padded winter jacket
today top keep warm. Should have taken a Macintosh with me & will
certainly need one for the South Island. Will have to buy one soon.
Since I've been in NZ ca 50% of the time the weather has been cloudy & ,
yes, wet.
Off to Whanganui tomorrow, early again, with the Intercity bus to catch
the midday paddle steamer. Brian emailed me with some amusing news
about a picket by Maori protestors along the river bank outside
Whanganui. Rocks & verbal abuse were thrown at the passengers & a
blockade was put into the river to stop the steamer. Apparently they
were demanding a share of the steamer's revenues since it supposedly
passes through disputed Maori territorary. A large police presence was
called in to clear the protestors from the site. I told Brian that it
would take more than rocks & verbal abuse to deter me from travelling on
the steamer. The only reason for stopping in Whanganui is to travel the
steamer. Have you been on it?
[No, I haven't]
Did you get my itinerary from Brian on the net? If not, I'll email you
it. Hope you're out of pain by now. Strange that you have been unwell
for so long. Quite unlike you.
Love David
---------------------------------------------
If he gets in touch with any of you, tell him that at last
the pain has gone and I am OK, though clubbing will have to wait
for a few weeks more and the gym for a month. It's been
horrible, especially for someone like me who goes out a lot.
Matthew Malthouse
rosie...@clear.net.nz (Rosie Salas) wrote:
} Only 12 and a half years ago... how many of us were out then?
<Sigh> Me. I was 25 and a student.
Squirrel
wrote:
Sorry for my tardiness. David arrived on the Monday evening, I took
him for a brief tour of the city and out to the beach at Oakura, we
returned home and he was subjected to my cooking. He survived.
Next day, David was keen to go snorkelling around Sugar Loaf Islands
but was told the water was too mucky so instead he went on a tour boat
around that area, but I think he was disappoinjted. Wednesday came,
and we had arranged a personal guide to take him to the summit of
Mount Taranaki, yet more disapppointment, the weather closed in making
the tramp too dangerous so instead they went to a few spots on and
around the mountain instead.. David is an incurable optimist (or
opportunist) IMHO as he made the most of everything even when it was
not quite what he had been looking for.
Muggle thougt David was great and flirted and played with him non
stop, I am not quite so sure that these showers of affection were
entirely reciprocated lolol
It was really nice having David stay, in fact on Thursday night after
he had gone I missed him being here.
Squirrel (who thought she had spotted a cute dyke at the bus depot it
turned out to be a bloke!! I am slipping!!!)
"Homosexuality is God's way of ensuring that the truly
gifted aren't burdened with children" - Sam Austin
Squirrel
wrote:
Snip
Hope you're out of pain by now. Strange that you have been unwell
>for so long. Quite unlike you.
>
>Love David
>
>---------------------------------------------
>
>If he gets in touch with any of you, tell him that at last
>the pain has gone and I am OK, though clubbing will have to wait
>for a few weeks more and the gym for a month. It's been
>horrible, especially for someone like me who goes out a lot.
You must have been hit hard, hope things right themselves for you now
Squirrel
xx
Brian Logan
>Muggle thougt David was great and flirted and played with him non
>stop, I am not quite so sure that these showers of affection were
>entirely reciprocated lolol
He told me not to worry if Jack, my cat, wasn't here after he left. I
told him you had three for him.
>It was really nice having David stay, in fact on Thursday night after
>he had gone I missed him being here.
I know what you mean.
b.
JohnM
<tri...@xtra.co.nz> writes
>Squirrel (who thought she had spotted a cute dyke at the bus depot it
>turned out to be a bloke!! I am slipping!!!)
The David Effect strikes again. First Brian, then Squirr...
T A R T
Squirrel <tri...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:vc467tgv6rdth4hik...@4ax.com...
> Squirrel (who thought she had spotted a cute dyke at the bus depot it
> turned out to be a bloke!! I am slipping!!!)
Oh dear. 8-B
Calum Bennachie
"JohnM" <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:SB+2NBAM...@scroll.demon.co.uk...
<snip>
> But, oh I remember how expensive NZ was and I shudder...
> I was paying the equiv of £11 THEN for a dorm bed
> with another 10 pple! This being NZ, it was, of course,,
> a mixed dorm.
> --
> JohnM What's written on Insurance Claims #13
Think of the difference in exchange rates since then Most places are
between $17 and $25 now, with the average about $20, which, with the current
exchange rate would be less than GBP6.
Calum
Calum Bennachie
"Rosie Salas" <rosie...@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:3a722a68...@news.clear.net.nz...
> Calum said: lots of things have changed since John was here last.
> was it before Hero??
Yes. It was also before the Dorian closed, and the year Alfies opened in
Wellington
> Only 12 and a half years ago... how many of us were out then?
>
> Rosie
Me. It was during that year that my then partner and I went to Australia.
Calum
Mark Harris
Salas) wrote:
>
>Only 12 and a half years ago... how many of us were out then?
>
Mark
--
When I'm feeling down, I like to whistle. It makes the neighbor's dog
run to the end of his chain and gag himself.
T A R T
>
I think I've always been out- as one thing or another. 8-)
Brian Logan
>In article <vc467tgv6rdth4hik...@4ax.com>, Squirrel
><tri...@xtra.co.nz> writes
>
>>Squirrel (who thought she had spotted a cute dyke at the bus depot it
>>turned out to be a bloke!! I am slipping!!!)
>
>The David Effect strikes again. First Brian, then Squirr...
On the ferry to Teriteri Matangi Island it was David who slipped up.
Admittedly he was pointing out various people who he thought was
John's type so wasn't as interested as he might have been.
B.
Brian Logan
>In article <3a722a68...@news.clear.net.nz>, Rosie Salas
><rosie...@clear.net.nz> writes
>>
>>Only 12 and a half years ago... how many of us were out then?
>
>Well, I certainly wasn't :-) I didn't come out properly till
>August 1989. I wasn't out in San Francisco ! I worked there
>for 1 year and never went to a gay bar. This sounds absurd
>now, I know, but that's what being in the closet does for you.
I wasn't either. I was in the UK doing my OE. In that time I went home
with someone once.
Looking back, who knows that shy fat boy with no self confidence or
self esteem would have ended up. With lot of book smarts but no street
smarts he could have easily been consumed by the scene, just wanting
to be friends.
B.
Squirrel
wrote:
Has anyone heard from him since NP?
Squirrel
Brian Logan
>Has anyone heard from him since NP?
Not yet. He should have done Tongariro National Park today.
B.
JohnM
<benn...@DELETETHISparadise.net.nz> writes
>Think of the difference in exchange rates since then Most places are
>between $17 and $25 now, with the average about $20, which, with the current
>exchange rate would be less than GBP6.
And think of me, in a dorm, now. Talk about a wolf among the sheep...
--
JohnM What's written on Insurance Claims #14
"The artist reported there was a bug on his leg, so he
drew out his pistol and shot it. Unfortunately he also
shot a hole in his foot"
Calum Bennachie
> In article <98064907...@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, Calum Bennachie
> <benn...@DELETETHISparadise.net.nz> writes
>
> >Think of the difference in exchange rates since then Most places are
> >between $17 and $25 now, with the average about $20, which, with the
current
> >exchange rate would be less than GBP6.
>
> And think of me, in a dorm, now. Talk about a wolf among the sheep...
>
> --
> JohnM What's written on Insurance Claims #14
Even though some of those may be willing sheep?
And that isn't a *sheep* joke.
Calum
l...@darkmere.gen.nz.invalid
> In clearing out the study two weeks ago i came across a newspaper
> clipping from 1988. (Four page fold)
it thinking it was just two stages to Uni. Didn't realise till I
found out how inconvenient it was living there without a car.
Food shopping meant taking a bus into downtown then another bus to
Meadowbank or 3 kings (at the time I only knew of foodtown in 3 kings
and meadowbank).
The place I was at didn't have laundry facilities and so it was washing
by hand or taking my laundry with me in an overnight bag on the bus to
a place with washingmachines and dryers. Being new this meant taking
the 3 kings bus to mt eden. Anyway I just did it by hand.
Since then I have found my way around Auckland ;)
I seem to recall shops being shut on Sundays. If you didn't get your
grocery shopping done on Saturday, you were at the mercy of the
dairies. IIRC Foodtown shut at 1pm on Saturday.
If it was a long weekend, one would try to go to foodtown about an hour
before closing on Saturday to get the markdown meat, veges, bread and
other perishables.
There was very little choice in fruits and veges then. Just look at
what you expect to find at a supermarket now in the fruit and vege
section. I don't recall the variety then.
There were only 2 TV channels. There was an annual fundraising thing
on tv called Telethon. entailed 24 hour TV coverage with lots of
entertainment with celebs and people being urged to ring in to donate.
Normally TV ended at midnight rather than 24 hour coverage.
People working after hours or weekends were eligible for penal rates.
Does anyone remember the bus strikes? Or was this just something
plaguing Auckland? This was pre ECA.
> There is a full page Telecom ad warning people to look at the bottoms
> of phones to check they have a telepermit. Cell phones have not
> arrived on the scene.
Telecom was still an SOE then.
Phone numbers in Auckland were 6 digit. IIRC the move to 7 digits
were late in 1988 or 1989. I remember the businesses in the newmarket
area making a fuss because they didn't know about the change till the
new phone book came out.
Yes due to Telecom wanting telepermits on phones and modems, it meant
the modems available then were quite expensive. I didn't know about
this till later as I was pretty ignorant about the existence of the
Internet then. Last time I had used a modem was in the UK in 1987 to
connect to a school network or something called Prestel. Next time
I used a modem was in 1993/94.
Apple Plus was used at Comp Sci at Uni. It was considered "portable"
as you could buy a bag when you buy an Apple Plus. bag enabled you to
carry the computer to uni with you etc. I guess nowadays with the
size of subnotebooks and handheld computers, it is laughable to consider
an appleplus portable ;) IIRC paid >$1000 (I think it was around $2k)
for a 20M SCSI HDD in 1989.
> Only 12 and a half years ago... how many of us were out then?
Although I probably knew what "gay" and "lesbian" meant, I was
probably not that aware of it then.
lin
brazen
>
Me
In London in the final year of my first relationship (with Roshan, who was
and remains my best mate, so we cant have done too badly)
Working in Primrose Hill, living in Forest Hill doing the daily commuting
nightmare with a brief trip to NZ when my father died that year.
Lawd seems a hundred years ago.
Gay
Scott Higham
l...@darkmere.gen.nz.invalid wrote:
> Rosie Salas <rosie...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> > In clearing out the study two weeks ago i came across a newspaper
> > clipping from 1988. (Four page fold)
> It was my first year in NZ. I was flatting in Mission Bay. I found
> it thinking it was just two stages to Uni. Didn't realise till I
> found out how inconvenient it was living there without a car.
I was 11 years old and in Form One, and I used to wag Wednesday afternoon
sports to go into the bushes and read Trixie Belden books.
S.
Deborah Gordon
later.
Deborah
brazen
"Scott Higham" <hig...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3A75D0FA...@ihug.co.nz...
I think that qualifies you for queerdom Scott. ;)
Gay
tricia
> David's sightseeing itinerary (abbreviated)
>
> January
> Mon 22 6:45pm New Plymouth
> Thu 25 10:40am Wanganui
> Fri 26 1:45pm Taupo
> Mon 29 11:40am Rotorua
> February
> Thu 01 6:40pm Gisborne
> Sat 03 1:00pm Napier
> Mon 05 6:30pm Wellington
Okay I am taking David over to Martinborough and places in between on
Tuesday 6th. We will be making a day of it, if you would like to come
please email me. I have room for two more in my car or if we get more than
that we can talk about taking two cars or more!
This is to be finally confirmed with David, however I heard from Brian this
morning so it appears that David is still keen on this plan. When David
phones me, I will confirm the details. Apparently David is also looking at
going to the gym in Wellington, what I know about that you could write on a
postage stamp - exercise kills as far as I am concerned, so if anyone can
post some advice about where he can go etc.
:-))
tricia
j-wil...@clear.net.nz
l...@darkmere.gen.nz.invalid wrote:
>Rosie Salas <rosie...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>> In clearing out the study two weeks ago i came across a newspaper
>> clipping from 1988. (Four page fold)
I was 33 and living right here in Dunedin. I can't remember
anything much about what I was doing but I had a one year
old and a three year old which would account for the fog.
I didn't know Vanya then, but she was 10 and going to school
right across the road from me so I may have spotted her from
time to time :-)
J
Calum Bennachie
"tricia" <rabbot@(eee)xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ibl459...@zinzac.local...
I had made enquiries with the Information Centre about the vinyard tours,
but seems like I don't need to check they actually go on Waitangi Day (which
I had forgotten about when I first contacted them). Thanks for doing this
for him. I have dragon boating competitions on Waitangi Day in Porirua.
They finish at about 3, perhaps 4 if I have to stay for prize giving. I
will be available to take David places on Tuesday night, and will negotiate
the time off work for the Wednesday to act as tour guide. You can ring me
on my cell phone on 021 296 0628, or reply to this and I will send you my
home number.
Calum
Squirrel
wrote:
Well mine is quite boring, 12 years ago I was mid system, psyciatric
system to be precise, I was in and out of three different bins with
shit loads of medication in my system, loathing every miserable
second of every miserable day. I am pleased to say now that it is 10
years behind me, except the medication, but now we have the right
combination this are rosy.
Squirrel who wrote this for the lurking Scooter as well.
Bird!
We too are dying to leave Auckland, I just hope we don't have to wait
another two years.
I think I was still trying to keep the closet doors shut back then.
I snuck out a few times, just to stretch my legs, so to speak.
I was terrified of the life I was trying to close out, it had big bad
shadows in it and I'd only had a brief glimpse of what it was like and
I didn't like or fit into what I saw. There were anti male lesbians
visable through the crack in my door and they became quite nasty
whenever they saw me. I didn't know there was anyone else out there
because, well who wants to enter into that sort of reception. So I
stayed where I was, in a relationship that eventually turned septic
and like a splinter I eventually managed to work my way free of the
wound.
I hope he healed ok.
This is the sort of wound that society creates because of it's
unacceptance.
I knew how he would react when he found out and he did react.
I had heard his verbal abuse towards people he didn't understand,
homosexual, racial etc...... just ignorance, that's all, and now it
was aimed at me.
It was a turmultuous time for me, suddenly becoming who I was, not
what I was expected to be, to be accepted for who I am when I hadn't
gained acceptance for who I wasn't.
All the relatives saying "I thought she was, but I didn't like to say,
well this explains a lot, no wonder she put up such a fuss about the
clothes her mother wanted her to wear, blah blah blah".
They are my family, I love them, they don't talk about me being a
lesbian, not to my face anyway. They don't treat me any differently,
except for the clothes issue. At least they don't try to wedge me into
*lovely little dresses and dainty little shoes*
Bird!
Owly
Is this too far out the way?
He raves about it, I can ask him if they take casuals if you like and maybe
get some pricing.
Owly.
tricia <rabbot@(eee)xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ibl459...@zinzac.local...
l...@darkmere.gen.nz.invalid
> going to the gym in Wellington, what I know about that you could write on a
> postage stamp - exercise kills as far as I am concerned, so if anyone can
exercise...
Why not take him for a "stroll" when you go for one of your walks?
bptg
lin
Brian Logan
From his email, his "stroll" through Tongariro was what told him he
needed a gym session. (That and a couple of other things.)
B.
Brian Logan
>A friend of ours goes to SportsWide on the corner of Webb and Willis St.
>Is this too far out the way?
>He raves about it, I can ask him if they take casuals if you like and maybe
>get some pricing.
Please do, and welcome stranger.
B.
JJWilliams
Brian Logan <ul...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:3t3d7tcfcecq7ha7k...@4ax.com...
She's not a stranger - I've seen her on nz.comp
J
Owly
I am Dots partner and we live in Kelburn, Welly.
We've had a brief conversation with our friend and he
said its $30 for a month and they give a free assessment.
Access is 24/7 and full use of all facilities.
I can ring them tomorrow and comfirm.
Owly.
Brian Logan <ul...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Brian Logan
>Just to make myself known as I have only posted once *here* before...
>I am Dots partner and we live in Kelburn, Welly.
Oops, I guess I'm not as observant as I could have been.
>We've had a brief conversation with our friend and he
>said its $30 for a month and they give a free assessment.
>Access is 24/7 and full use of all facilities.
>I can ring them tomorrow and comfirm.
$30 will be steep for a one time use, but I wish my gym was that good.
B.
Owly
> Oops, I guess I'm not as observant as I could have been.
I get the impression quite a few ignore her here out of
frustration.
> $30 will be steep for a one time use, but I wish my gym was that good.
Yes, I would tend to agree, wouldn't be a problem to ring and find
out what a one off would cost though :)
Owly.
tricia
errr I dont know what you mean?? :-)
tricia
tricia
>
> I had made enquiries with the Information Centre about the vinyard tours,
> but seems like I don't need to check they actually go on Waitangi Day
> (which
> I had forgotten about when I first contacted them).
Thanks for doing this
> for him.
Ha! Yeah I am a real hero. I get to go to Martinborough, taste wine, buy
wine, have a nice lunch, enjoy the sun and sights, and enjoy the company of
the lovely David.
I am looking forward to it.
I have dragon boating competitions on Waitangi Day in Porirua.
> They finish at about 3, perhaps 4 if I have to stay for prize giving.
I will send you my cell phone number.
tricia
Brian Logan
Any luck with the costs and times?
David is booked into the Downtown Backpackers Hostel, so a reasonable
gym close to there has advantages.
B.