Peter Sinclair - Leukemia or AIDS?
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It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter (Marmite)
Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago. No
idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
This reeks of celebrity type denial (leukemia is an often used cover for
AIDS because the external symptoms are similar and it avoids the stigma
associated with AIDS), given both the lifestyle and the stories I have heard
about Pete's promiscuity with the young dark skinned lads he is reportedly
known to favour having 'au natural' encounters with.
Certainly not uncommon for someone in the spotlight to use one illness to
hide another (Rock Hudson, Freddie Mercury), and it sounds to me like Petey
had some reporters ready to blow the whistle and got in first to avoid a
scandal and/or some unwelcome personal scrutiny.
Roger Dewhurst
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>
> It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter
(Marmite)
> Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago. No
> idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
>
Greg
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> It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter
(Marmite)
> Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago. No
> idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
>
> This reeks of celebrity type denial (leukemia is an often used cover for
> AIDS because the external symptoms are similar and it avoids the stigma
> associated with AIDS
So fugging what? The man is sick? Give him help!
I am sure you can find something better than hot gossip to occupy yourself
with if you try?
~ Where has all the caring gone? [ tune = where have all the flowers gone ]
Mike
and death. I guess the not so suttle point de_ho...@hotmail.com was
trying to make is that here's another public person who's terrified of his
sexuality becoming public property. I knew Pete when he lived in
Christchurch where he was doing radio work for a long period. Our family
home was in North New Brighton, on the eastern beachfront village. Pete had
a house on Beach Road, almost on the beach. A freind in our local Scout
group, a spunky young guy called Heath Hutton (God knows where he is these
days) worked for Pete doing his garden. I recall he often had colourful
stories to share!
I know of a number of high profile NZ men who still hide avidly their
sexuality from the probing public and media machine, because it serves them
little benefit and only screws with their personal lives. It's a shame gay
men feel such fear still in 2001, for whatever reason. But it steems, I
believe from a society that judges non-conformity and often still ridicules
difference. If Pete is gay or not really isn't the question, it's if it
makes him less or more of a person in the fickle publlic's mind I guess.
Media and preseptions and so judgemental it seems. Religion is far from
about love and all about judgement, and has a lot to answer for in such
cases of people's sexuality and that's it's ok to he homosexual.
Mike
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Gussy Finknottle
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> "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&
> th
> > esubsection=general
> >
> > It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter
> (Marmite)
> > Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago.
> > No
> > idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
> >
Generally I'm inclined to take it at face value -- Sinclair isn't
stupid,and if he isn't actually 'out' at least he's never denied being
gay -- no bogus wives or girlfriends in his background. I'm a little
sceptical about the 'too frail for chemo' bit -- if kids can stand it,
why can't he? -- but I'm no doctor. In the US thousands of people from
Magic Johnson on down appear to be demonstrating that if you've a bit of
cash you can live with AIDS for years and year -- longer than you can
live with leukemia, I suspect.
> Tell us the Marmite story. That might at least be funny.
>
Ah, the marmite jar: classic urban legend, which I first heard in the
70s; I was told it in the form "Jennifer's friend so-and-so, the
nurse, said theyhad Peter Sinclair in emergency the other night, to have
a marmite jar removed from his arse! Peter Sinclair! A marmite jar! Etc
etc."
You may also recall that when the Stones were busted for drugs in the
60s Marianne Faithfull was allegedly found with Mick Jagger and Brian
Jones snacking on Mars bars poked into her vagina, that Richard Gere had
to have a gerbil extracted from his back passage, and that Elton
John/George Michael/Freddie Mecury/Rod Stewart (!) had to have a quart
of semen pumped from his stomach after a post-concert party.
It's possible the marmite jar story may be true, but a) how can anyone
tell, given that it's well in the vein of these other obviously false
stories? and b) who cares? What people do with their spreads is their
business.
--
Gus
Kerry
wrote:
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&th
>esubsection=general
>
>It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter (Marmite)
>Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago. No
>idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
What an unpleasant person.
No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No one can be as calculatedly rude as the British, which
amazes Americans, who do not understand studied insult and can only
offer abuse as a substitute.
--Paul Gallico
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kerry
>I know of a number of high profile NZ men who still hide avidly their
>sexuality from the probing public and media machine, because it serves them
>little benefit and only screws with their personal lives.
And can you blame them? Given 'knowing about' them is the only
excitement morons like the original poster in this thread seem to
have.
And the facts never ever seem to spoil the really good stories....
ňżó
"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 02:40:33 +1000, "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&t
h
> >esubsection=general
> >
> >It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter
(Marmite)
> >Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago. No
> >idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
>
> What an unpleasant person.
>
> No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
Forgive me, but where exactly did I even remotely *suggest* that anyone, let
alone Pete, 'deserves' HIV.
I will point out however that 'bad luck' plays no part in the contraction of
the HI Virus.
Brian
(Kerry) wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:13:20 +1200, "Mike" <mi...@home.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>I know of a number of high profile NZ men who still hide avidly their
>>sexuality from the probing public and media machine, because it serves them
>>little benefit and only screws with their personal lives.
>
>
>And can you blame them? Given 'knowing about' them is the only
>excitement morons like the original poster in this thread seem to
>have.
Bigotry/homophobia is, in my opinion, inversely proportional to age
(although as a heterosexual I have not "walked in the shoes for a
mile")
Homophobia is a problem, no matter what age it occurs at. I think it
is an issue that is _extremely_ serious in our schools.
It does however surprise me to think that older men, of Sinclairs age,
may be concerned about the rantings of morons that you have referred
to.
Brian
T A R T
>
> I will point out however that 'bad luck' plays no part in the contraction of
> the HI Virus.
What does, then?
Kerry
wrote:
Ooops no sorry. Just strange and unnatural things like having a sex
life, having a mother with HIV <see no. 1>
Then other more predictable and entirely avoidable, and apparently not
unlucky, things like getting sick and needing a blood transfusion, or
being an injecting drug user who shares with people who apparently it
should be no surprise <and not bad luck> to contract HIV from.
enkidu
>
> ...that Richard Gere had to have a gerbil extracted from
> his back passage
>
I heard that about Harrison Ford. Again with no really
evidence.
Cheers,
Cliff
Sulla
>
>This reeks of celebrity type denial (leukemia is an often used cover for
>AIDS because the external symptoms are similar and it avoids the stigma
>associated with AIDS), .............
So what? Are you jealous?
What does it matter, he's sick, he's dying, he's trying to live out the rest
of his life with dignity.
I have been listening to and watching him for nearly 40 years, and I have
never heard him be rude, obnoxious, or put anyone or anything down. I have
never met him, and only spoken to him once, on a radio show. He impresses me
as one of nature's gentleman, and one who has made a genuine and positive
difference to the lives of many New Zealanders.
New Zealand will be a poorer place without him.
--
Onward and upward, the stars beckon, and judge.
ňżó
There are a number of ways of contracting the virus and the majority are
avoidable.
Having a sex life in this day and age should involve the use of condoms,
particularly where the sex is with multiple or casual partners. I'm sure you
realise that there are a nice little range of STD's other than the terminal
ones which most people would prefer not to contract. This of course applies
to both homo and hetero sex.
A child born to an HIV + mother is not 'unlucky' but it is unfortunate.
> Then other more predictable and entirely avoidable, and apparently not
> unlucky, things like getting sick and needing a blood transfusion, or
> being an injecting drug user who shares with people who apparently it
> should be no surprise <and not bad luck> to contract HIV from.
Personally I wouldnt touch blood product knowing that there are so many
things that someone elses blood can contain, and effective screening is just
not possible, especially if the disease is relatively new.
Drugs users who share needles, well they really DO deserve HIV/AIDS if they
are stupid enough to A) be taking drugs intraveneously and b) be sharing
dirty needles when nice clean ones are available freely
There is no excuse for ignorance on these issues, the risks associated with
sex and drug use have been hammered home for at LEAST 15 years. If you
contract HIV/AIDS because you don't wear a condom or you share a needle you
have no one to blame but yourself.
You aren't 'unlucky', you're just plain fucking stupid.
Kerry
wrote:
>
>"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>> >> No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
>> >
>> >
>> >Forgive me, but where exactly did I even remotely *suggest* that anyone,
>let
>> >alone Pete, 'deserves' HIV.
>> >
>> >I will point out however that 'bad luck' plays no part in the contraction
>of
>> >the HI Virus.
>>
>> Ooops no sorry. Just strange and unnatural things like having a sex
>> life, having a mother with HIV <see no. 1>
>
>
>There are a number of ways of contracting the virus and the majority are
>avoidable.
>Having a sex life in this day and age should involve the use of condoms,
>particularly where the sex is with multiple or casual partners. I'm sure you
>realise that there are a nice little range of STD's other than the terminal
>ones which most people would prefer not to contract. This of course applies
>to both homo and hetero sex.
And I'm sure your life is exceptionally well ordered, your partners
all monogomous, and have been so for years etc etc
Otherwise ...whoops! bad luck
>> Then other more predictable and entirely avoidable, and apparently not
>> unlucky, things like getting sick and needing a blood transfusion, or
>> being an injecting drug user who shares with people who apparently it
>> should be no surprise <and not bad luck> to contract HIV from.
>
>Personally I wouldnt touch blood product knowing that there are so many
>things that someone elses blood can contain, and effective screening is just
>not possible, especially if the disease is relatively new.
Goodo, suits me.
>There is no excuse for ignorance on these issues, the risks associated with
>sex and drug use have been hammered home for at LEAST 15 years. If you
>contract HIV/AIDS because you don't wear a condom or you share a needle you
>have no one to blame but yourself.
>You aren't 'unlucky', you're just plain fucking stupid.
Like all those people in Africa.....
ňżó
"Roger Dewhurst" <dewh...@wave.co.nz> wrote in message
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Something along the lines of inserting a small glass marmite jar anally and
getting it stuck, then having to go to hospital to have it removed.
Someone who claimed to be 'in the know' told me the story was true several
years later, however the jar apparently did not get stuck, it broke.
Not being privvy to first hand knowledge of the incident, I still relegate
it to the urban legend file.
Brian
>I have been listening to and watching him for nearly 40 years, and I have
>never heard him be rude, obnoxious, or put anyone or anything down. I have
>never met him, and only spoken to him once, on a radio show. He impresses me
>as one of nature's gentleman, and one who has made a genuine and positive
>difference to the lives of many New Zealanders.
>
>New Zealand will be a poorer place without him.
I agree.
Brian
ňżó
"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message > >
> And I'm sure your life is exceptionally well ordered, your partners
> all monogomous, and have been so for years etc etc
>
> Otherwise ...whoops! bad luck
My partner and I made the choice not to use condoms, if we contract any
disease it is because we knowingly chose to allow that scenario to become a
possibility. Luck has nothing to do with it.
>
> >> Then other more predictable and entirely avoidable, and apparently not
> >> unlucky, things like getting sick and needing a blood transfusion, or
> >> being an injecting drug user who shares with people who apparently it
> >> should be no surprise <and not bad luck> to contract HIV from.
> >
> >Personally I wouldnt touch blood product knowing that there are so many
> >things that someone elses blood can contain, and effective screening is
just
> >not possible, especially if the disease is relatively new.
>
> Goodo, suits me.
Me too
>
> >There is no excuse for ignorance on these issues, the risks associated
with
> >sex and drug use have been hammered home for at LEAST 15 years. If you
> >contract HIV/AIDS because you don't wear a condom or you share a needle
you
> >have no one to blame but yourself.
> >You aren't 'unlucky', you're just plain fucking stupid.
>
>
> Like all those people in Africa.....
Nothing like a bit of population control in a country where once again
people know the risks. Sex is not like breathing air ya know, you don't HAVE
to have it.
If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world through
sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
Kerry
wrote:
I nominate this posting for the Intellectual Genius of 2001 Award.....
ňżó
> >> Like all those people in Africa.....
> >
> >Nothing like a bit of population control in a country where once again
> >people know the risks. Sex is not like breathing air ya know, you don't
HAVE
> >to have it.
> >If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
through
> >sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
>
>
> I nominate this posting for the Intellectual Genius of 2001 Award.....
Was that the best you could do?
I guess having no valid arguement to come back with leaves you little to say
;p
Kerry
wrote:
There is much I could say. You postings demonstrate you have little
insight, little understanding of human beings and their behaviour and
little real experience
In my book that makes it pretty much a waste of time bothering.
Off to the sun
Roger Dewhurst
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> <dewh...@wave.co.nz> wrote:
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> > "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > th
> 60s Marianne Faithfull was allegedly found with Mick Jagger and Brian
> Jones snacking on Mars bars poked into her vagina, that Richard Gere had
Clinton likes his cigars with that fishy taste!!!
ňżó
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:46:44 +1000, "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> >news:3ac6871c...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
> >> >> Like all those people in Africa.....
> >> >
> >> >Nothing like a bit of population control in a country where once again
> >> >people know the risks. Sex is not like breathing air ya know, you
don't
> >HAVE
> >> >to have it.
> >> >If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
> >through
> >> >sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
> >>
> >>
> >> I nominate this posting for the Intellectual Genius of 2001 Award.....
> >
> >Was that the best you could do?
> >I guess having no valid arguement to come back with leaves you little to
say
> >;p
>
> There is much I could say. You postings demonstrate you have little
> insight, little understanding of human beings and their behaviour and
> little real experience
>
> In my book that makes it pretty much a waste of time bothering.
I guess being a realist can have that effect on some people, especially
those who love the PC angle on everything, and thrive on the 'poor me'
victim mentality all the while blaming anyone and anything but the person
with whom the fault ultimately lies.
:-)
Kerry
wrote:
>
>"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>> In my book that makes it pretty much a waste of time bothering.
>
>
>I guess being a realist can have that effect on some people, especially
>those who love the PC angle on everything, and thrive on the 'poor me'
>victim mentality all the while blaming anyone and anything but the person
>with whom the fault ultimately lies.
>
So when individuals contract HIV it is their own fault?
Rosie Salas
wrote:
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&th
>esubsection=general
>
>It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter (Marmite)
>Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago. No
>idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
>
>This reeks of celebrity type denial (leukemia is an often used cover for
>AIDS because the external symptoms are similar and it avoids the stigma
>associated with AIDS), given both the lifestyle and the stories I have heard
>about Pete's promiscuity with the young dark skinned lads he is reportedly
>known to favour having 'au natural' encounters with.
I was under the impression that Peter SInclair had indeed come out
some years ago - there was an article about him to do with antiques,
where he mentioned a male partner.
Or am I thinking of another well known older gay man?
In any case, I am sad that he is ill, whatever the illness. And if it
is internal homophobia, just remember that those gay men now over the
age of forty-five use to risk arrest and jail every time they made
love. It takes a while to get over that, some are braver than others,
and I applaud those who did come out in the old days, but I also
undrstand those who didn't and who find old habits hard to break.
Rosie
Hayden
The more high profile gay/lesbain etc comeout, the easer it makes it for
many other people to come out. I remember when I was younger I thought I was
the only person that enjoyed same sex, sex. It also reminds the st8
community that yes gay people do exsist.
Hayden
Rosie Salas
Excuse me. It's only fishy when tainted with male stuff.
>
R.
Rosie Salas
wrote:
>
>I guess being a realist can have that effect on some people, especially
>those who love the PC angle on everything, and thrive on the 'poor me'
>victim mentality all the while blaming anyone and anything but the person
>with whom the fault ultimately lies.
>
I love it when people who think that their bigoted little world is the
real world - "realism" is the thing that allows you to denigrate
others who are different and completely not care about the misery of
millions of people ( they are black, they are poor anyway and they are
miles away, so I don't need to care) The label PC is such a useful
one isn't it. Let's sweep away all the people who might like to try
and put themselves in the place of others a little bit.
Rosie
Bird!
<kar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Are you by any chance a Jeeves and Wooster fan????? : )
Bird!
Kerry
Salas) wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 02:40:33 +1000, "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&th
>>esubsection=general
>>
>>It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter (Marmite)
>>Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago. No
>>idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
>>
>>This reeks of celebrity type denial (leukemia is an often used cover for
>>AIDS because the external symptoms are similar and it avoids the stigma
>>associated with AIDS), given both the lifestyle and the stories I have heard
>>about Pete's promiscuity with the young dark skinned lads he is reportedly
>>known to favour having 'au natural' encounters with.
>
>I was under the impression that Peter SInclair had indeed come out
>some years ago - there was an article about him to do with antiques,
>where he mentioned a male partner.
>Or am I thinking of another well known older gay man?
You are quite right.
Facts...good stories etc.
ňżó
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:56:59 +1000, "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>
> >> In my book that makes it pretty much a waste of time bothering.
> >
> >
> >I guess being a realist can have that effect on some people, especially
> >those who love the PC angle on everything, and thrive on the 'poor me'
> >victim mentality all the while blaming anyone and anything but the person
> >with whom the fault ultimately lies.
> >
>
> So when individuals contract HIV it is their own fault?
>
Megan Pledger
> "Kerry" wrote
>> "ňżó" wrote:
>>> There is no excuse for ignorance on these issues, the risks
>>> associated with sex and drug use have been hammered home for at
>>> LEAST 15 years. If you contract HIV/AIDS because you don't wear
>>> a condom or you share a needle you have no one to blame but
>>> yourself.
>>> You aren't 'unlucky', you're just plain fucking stupid.
> >
> > Like all those people in Africa.....
>
> Nothing like a bit of population control in a country where once again
> people know the risks. Sex is not like breathing air ya know, you don't HAVE
> to have it.
>
> If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world through
> sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
In some African countries there's a wide spread belief amongst HIV
positive men that they can be cured by having sex with a virgin - this
often means children as young as 10, 11, 12 are actively sought out (and
obviously the age gets younger and younger).
It's unfortunate that children so young are "plain fucking stupid".
In South Africa, doctors,courts fight brutal AIDS 'cure'
--------------------------------------------------------
<snip>
<There is a myth that says> having sex with a virgin will rid sufferers
of the disease.
One such child Key treated was raped when she was 2: She
tested HIV-positive and now is developing full-blown AIDS.
"It's hard every day," said her mother, who asked that her
family remain anonymous our of fear that her daughter would
be stigmatized. "It's hard not knowing that one day she might
not grow up."
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9905/19/safrica.aids/
M/
Calum Bennachie
"Rosie Salas" <rosie...@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
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O' wad some pow'r the gifttie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae mony blunder free us
An foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us
And ev'n Devotion!
(Last verse of "To a Louse" (1785?) by Robert Burns, 1759-1796)
Calum
ňżó
I'm sorry, but I don't recall mentioning anyone being black and poor as
having anything whatsoever to do with my view on people taking personal
responsibility for their actions.
Removing accountability also removes any need for people to change.
ňżó
through
> > sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
>
> In some African countries there's a wide spread belief amongst HIV
> positive men that they can be cured by having sex with a virgin - this
> often means children as young as 10, 11, 12 are actively sought out (and
> obviously the age gets younger and younger).
>
> It's unfortunate that children so young are "plain fucking stupid".
Perhaps, for the straw men builders amongst us, I should have said
'Consensual' sex.
Obviously someone who is raped isn't in a position to either abstain or ask
their partner to use a condom.
But of course, you knew that.
Greg
>
> Generally I'm inclined to take it at face value -- Sinclair isn't
> stupid,and if he isn't actually 'out' at least he's never denied being
> gay -- no bogus wives or girlfriends in his background. I'm a little
> sceptical about the 'too frail for chemo' bit -- if kids can stand it,
> why can't he? -- but I'm no doctor. In the US thousands of people from
> Magic Johnson on down appear to be demonstrating that if you've a bit of
> cash you can live with AIDS for years and year
And be very sick doing so !
Megan Pledger
> > > If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
> through
> > > sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
Since you chose not to use protection do you see yourself as a contender
for a Darwin award?
> >
> > In some African countries there's a wide spread belief amongst HIV
> > positive men that they can be cured by having sex with a virgin - this
> > often means children as young as 10, 11, 12 are actively sought out (and
> > obviously the age gets younger and younger).
> >
> > It's unfortunate that children so young are "plain fucking stupid".
>
> Perhaps, for the straw men builders amongst us, I should have said
> 'Consensual' sex.
>
> Obviously someone who is raped isn't in a position to either abstain or ask
> their partner to use a condom.
>
> But of course, you knew that.
Why should I? Am I supposed to be able to read your mind?
Perhaps you'd like to tell us all the other exceptions to your view.
M.
Greg
> > On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 02:40:33 +1000, "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
>
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&t
> h
> > >esubsection=general
> > >
> > >It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter
> (Marmite)
> > >Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago.
No
> > >idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
> >
> >
> > No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
>
>
> Forgive me, but where exactly did I even remotely *suggest* that anyone,
let
> alone Pete, 'deserves' HIV.
>
> I will point out however that 'bad luck' plays no part in the contraction
of
> the HI Virus.
>
>
ňżó
"Megan Pledger" <mple...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3AC6B034...@ihug.co.nz...
> "ňżó" wrote:
> > > > If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
> > through
> > > > sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
>
> Since you chose not to use protection do you see yourself as a contender
> for a Darwin award?
I do so having weighed the risks, taking into consideration my own
background and that of my partner, the trust implicit in our relationship,
and our monogamy.
Knowing the risks, I am prepared to accept full responsibility should I
ever contract a disease (terminal or otherwise) because I no longer use
protection.
I am not doing the 'it will never happen to me' scenario then whinging when
it does, or to use a darwinesque analogy, I am not sticking a loaded gun in
my mouth, assuming it isnt loaded, and pulling the trigger.
> > > In some African countries there's a wide spread belief amongst HIV
> > > positive men that they can be cured by having sex with a virgin - this
> > > often means children as young as 10, 11, 12 are actively sought out
(and
> > > obviously the age gets younger and younger).
> > >
> > > It's unfortunate that children so young are "plain fucking stupid".
> >
> > Perhaps, for the straw men builders amongst us, I should have said
> > 'Consensual' sex.
> >
> > Obviously someone who is raped isn't in a position to either abstain or
ask
> > their partner to use a condom.
> >
> > But of course, you knew that.
>
> Why should I? Am I supposed to be able to read your mind?
>
> Perhaps you'd like to tell us all the other exceptions to your view.
It's your straw man, you finish it.
ňżó
"Greg" <m...@home.com> wrote in message
news:Veyx6.968$la8.21...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> "ò¿ó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3ac67511$0$25512$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> > "Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> > news:3ac67225...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&t
> > h
> > > >esubsection=general
> > > >
> > > >It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter
> > (Marmite)
> > > >Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years
ago.
> No
> > > >idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
> > >
> > > What an unpleasant person.
> > >
> > > No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
> >
> >
> > Forgive me, but where exactly did I even remotely *suggest* that anyone,
> let
> > alone Pete, 'deserves' HIV.
> >
> > I will point out however that 'bad luck' plays no part in the
contraction
> of
> > the HI Virus.
> >
> >
> BULLSHIT MORON
A well thought out and intelligent reply I see :-p
Kerry
wrote:
The vast maority of people with HIV in this world are poor and
African. The vast majority of people with HIV in this world contract
HIV during recreational or procreative sexual intercourse
<heterosexual> in Africa, and have no idea of condoms, or safe sex, or
that they are at risk of contracting the disease from their
wife/husband/friend
But this is their own fault?
Megan Pledger
> "Megan Pledger" wrote
>
> It's your straw man, you finish it.
Sorry, I've got better things to do then try and second guess what
exceptions are so supposed to be read into your arguments.
M.
Kerry
wrote:
>> > If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
>through
>> > sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
>>
>> In some African countries there's a wide spread belief amongst HIV
>> positive men that they can be cured by having sex with a virgin - this
>> often means children as young as 10, 11, 12 are actively sought out (and
>> obviously the age gets younger and younger).
>>
>> It's unfortunate that children so young are "plain fucking stupid".
>
>Perhaps, for the straw men builders amongst us, I should have said
>'Consensual' sex.
There are millions of people having consensual sex each day in this
world that have no idea they are at any risk of anything except maybe
pregnancy
Kerry
<mple...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>"ňżó" wrote:
>> > > If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
>> through
>> > > sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
>> > It's unfortunate that children so young are "plain fucking stupid".
>>
>> Perhaps, for the straw men builders amongst us, I should have said
>> 'Consensual' sex.
>>
>> Obviously someone who is raped isn't in a position to either abstain or ask
>> their partner to use a condom.
>>
>> But of course, you knew that.
>
>Why should I? Am I supposed to be able to read your mind?
>
>Perhaps you'd like to tell us all the other exceptions to your view.
>
I suspect there will be very many of them Megan! the more reality we
bring to the ideas of our anonymous young friend, the longer the list
will grow.
Problem those knee-jerk reactions, aren;t they?
Kerry
wrote:
>
>"Megan Pledger" <mple...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:3AC6B034...@ihug.co.nz...
>> "ňżó" wrote:
>> > > > If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
>> > through
>> > > > sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
>>
>> Since you chose not to use protection do you see yourself as a contender
>> for a Darwin award?
>
>I do so having weighed the risks, taking into consideration my own
>background and that of my partner, the trust implicit in our relationship,
>and our monogamy.
So did thousands of other people with HIV
But it's their faulr.
Greg
If you
> contract HIV/AIDS because you don't wear a condom or you share a needle
you
> have no one to blame but yourself.
> You aren't 'unlucky', you're just plain fucking stupid.
>
>
Condom didnt stop me contracting it .... you were saying?
Greg
"ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ac68898$0$25520$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...> news:3ac6871c...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
> > >> Like all those people in Africa.....
> > >
> > >Nothing like a bit of population control in a country where once again
> > >people know the risks. Sex is not like breathing air ya know, you don't
> HAVE
> > >to have it.
> through
> > >sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
> >
> >
>
> Was that the best you could do?
> I guess having no valid arguement to come back with leaves you little to
say
> ;p
>
>
I however have lots to say.
Do you fuck humans ? If so what do you do to protect yourself .. yes I am
serious.. awaiting your reply with anticipation.
Greg
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:46:44 +1000, "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >news:3ac6871c...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
> >> >> Like all those people in Africa.....
> >> >
> >> >Nothing like a bit of population control in a country where once again
> >> >people know the risks. Sex is not like breathing air ya know, you
don't
> >HAVE
> >> >to have it.
> >> >If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
> >through
> >> >sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
> >>
> >>
> >> I nominate this posting for the Intellectual Genius of 2001 Award.....
> >
> >Was that the best you could do?
> >I guess having no valid arguement to come back with leaves you little to
say
> >;p
>
> insight, little understanding of human beings and their behaviour and
> little real experience
>
>
It also makes him the one into the AIDS gossiping .. sad sad sad ....
Greg
> those who love the PC angle on everything, and thrive on the 'poor me'
> victim mentality all the while blaming anyone and anything but the person
> with whom the fault ultimately lies.
>
>
>
I have never blamed any one but ME for contracting HIV .... its like my
Peter Mwai arguement ...no use them stupid women complaining after the fact
.. .. same thing....
Would all you people please tell me what you do to prevent HIV contact
during sex? I really want to know. Did ANY of you married couples have
unprotected sex this weekend?
Greg
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:56:59 +1000, "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >I guess being a realist can have that effect on some people, especially
> >those who love the PC angle on everything, and thrive on the 'poor me'
> >victim mentality all the while blaming anyone and anything but the person
> >with whom the fault ultimately lies.
> >
>
>
I blame a broken condom during what was hopefully safe sex. What is it all
you people do to not catch HIV?
Greg
Greg
Greg
...Tom
>
>I have been listening to and watching him for nearly 40 years, and I have
>never heard him be rude, obnoxious, or put anyone or anything down. I have
>never met him, and only spoken to him once, on a radio show. He impresses me
>as one of nature's gentleman, and one who has made a genuine and positive
>difference to the lives of many New Zealanders.
>
>New Zealand will be a poorer place without him.
Nicely put. I'm in my mid 30's and my childhood memories of TV
strongly feature Peter Sinclair.
The dignity in the article this thread referred to is striking.
...Tom
Greg
>
> "Megan Pledger" <mple...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:3AC6B034...@ihug.co.nz...
> > "ňżó" wrote:
> > > > > If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the
world
> > > through
> > > > > sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
> >
> > Since you chose not to use protection do you see yourself as a contender
> > for a Darwin award?
>
> I do so having weighed the risks, taking into consideration my own
> background and that of my partner, the trust implicit in our relationship,
> and our monogamy.
WHAT A DORK >> HOW DO U KNOW YOUR MRS AINT BEEN GANG BANGING WHILE YOU ARE
AT WORK?
trust LOL this is EXACTLY how the virus spreads ..
>
> I am not doing the 'it will never happen to me' scenario then whinging
when
> it
Who is? I once said in this news group mawais women had no reason to bitch
and got shot down for it....
does, or to use a darwinesque analogy, I am not sticking a loaded gun in
> my mouth, assuming it isnt loaded, and pulling the trigger.
So you dont have sex at all? Or what do you doto not have the virus ? DO you
use a condom with your trusty partner? And even if you do can it not
rupture?
> > > Obviously someone who is raped isn't in a position to either abstain
or
> ask
> > > their partner to use a condom.
Are you stupid if you use a condom with a 30 yr partner and catch HIV?
>
Again .. how do you know your partner didnt fuck his / her brains out with a
group the other day when you were at work?
Greg
"ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ac6b2ed$0$25486$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...> > "ňżó" <de_ho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3ac67511$0$25512$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...
> > >
> > > "Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> > > news:3ac67225...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&t
> > > h
> > > > >esubsection=general
> > > > >
> > > > >It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter
> > > (Marmite)
> > > > >Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years
> ago.
> > No
> > > > >idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however
:)
> > > >
> > > > What an unpleasant person.
> > > >
> > > > No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
> > >
> > >
> > > Forgive me, but where exactly did I even remotely *suggest* that
anyone,
> > let
> > > alone Pete, 'deserves' HIV.
> > >
> > > I will point out however that 'bad luck' plays no part in the
> contraction
> > of
> > > the HI Virus.
> > >
> > >
> > BULLSHIT MORON
>
> A well thought out and intelligent reply I see :-p
>
how when having sex you protect yourself and I bet I can find a loophole to
HIV .. now GO! if you dare .....
Simon Lyall
>Something along the lines of inserting a small glass marmite jar anally and
>getting it stuck, then having to go to hospital to have it removed.
Pretty much what I have heard. However slightly easier to verify would be
the story that one of the teams on University Chellenge had a marmite jar
as their mascot a few years ago and Peter got a little upset about it.
I noticed in his picture we looked a lot older and frailer than the
pictures you normally see of him.
--
Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Mail: si...@darkmere.gen.nz
"Inside me Im Screaming, Nobody pays any attention." | eMT.
"It's a good day to be alive!" cried the zombie.
swakwsta...@cotse.com
babbled in Message-ID: <3ac60897$0$25473$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>
>It has long been known by many and suspected
>by others that Peter (Marmite) Sinclair is gay.
So? His sexual orientaion is none of my business.
Just like my sexual orientation is none of anyone
else's business, unless *I* decide there is some
good reason to discuss it.
Unless somebody *realisticly* hopes or wants to
have consensual sexual contact with Mr. Sinclair,
what good reason do they have to even care about
his sexual orientation?
>My ex was a casual sex partner of his many
>years ago.
So?
>This reeks of celebrity type denial
Perhaps it is just celebrity type
it's-none-of-the-general-public's-business.
>leukemia is an often used cover for AIDS
>because the external symptoms are similar
>and it avoids the stigma associated with AIDS),
I don't care whether he has leukemia, AIDS,
both, or neither. Kind of like the way I
don't care whether he is gay or not.
>given both the lifestyle and the stories I
>have heard about Pete's promiscuity
So you "heard" some things. People hear all
kinds of things all the time - things which
aren't necessarily true or relevant.
>Certainly not uncommon for someone in the
>spotlight to use one illness to hide another
>(Rock Hudson, Freddie Mercury)
Private medical information about other people,
whom I don't even know, is none of my business.
Just like the way that private medical information
about *me* is none of anyone else's business, unless
*I* decide that there is a good reason to discuss
it.
(Unfortunately, a *large* number of people seem
to have some type of special mental disability
preventing them from understanding that the
the fact of someone being transsexual *is*
private medical information.)
>and it sounds to me like Petey had some
>reporters ready to blow the whistle and
>got in first to avoid a scandal and/or
>some unwelcome personal scrutiny.
Maybe. And maybe not. Either way, it is
none of my business, and I don't blame him
at all if he is attempting to protect his
right to privacy. He doesn't owe me anything.
--
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Andrew Wilson described gay "rights"
in Message-ID: <8ooto8$dmr$1...@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>
>partial victory does not equal partial equality, it
>equals equality for part of the population.
Pip
> The vast maority of people with HIV in this world are poor and
> African. The vast majority of people with HIV in this world contract
> HIV during recreational or procreative sexual intercourse
> <heterosexual> in Africa, and have no idea of condoms, or safe sex, >
Jut wondering
Pip
Pip
>
> No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
>
A child made a ward of the state and given a blood transfusion, and
contracts HIV....just bad luck?????
When bloodless care could have been given.....and SAFE bloodless care?
Pip
T A R T
Pip <pip...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:VqBx6.1050$la8.61...@news.xtra.co.nz...
http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm
http://www.uct.ac.za/depts/mmi/jmoodie/anc0.html
http://www.unaids.org/epidemic_update/report/index.html
Unknown
said:
.. and for something really depressing:
http://www.avert.org/subaadults.htm
Pip
"T A R T" <invi...@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:cGBx6.1053$la8.32...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> >
> http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
> http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm
> http://www.uct.ac.za/depts/mmi/jmoodie/anc0.html
> http://www.unaids.org/epidemic_update/report/index.html
Hey i dont doubt it for a minute..I have done the reading and I know what a
tragedy is happening in Africa and surrounding countries, but Kerry always
wants facts and figures, so I am just asking her.....
Pip
Steve Withers
>
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:54:57 +1200, "Roger Dewhurst"
> <dewh...@wave.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Gussy Finknottle" <kar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:karamu2-03D1DE...@news.nzwide.ihug.co.nz...
> >> In article <9a5595$rlo$1...@news.wave.co.nz>, "Roger Dewhurst"> >> > news:3ac60897$0$25473$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au...
> >> > >
> >> >
> >http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&
> >> > th
> >> > You may also recall that when the Stones were busted for drugs in the
> >> 60s Marianne Faithfull was allegedly found with Mick Jagger and Brian
> >> Jones snacking on Mars bars poked into her vagina, that Richard Gere had
> >
> >Clinton likes his cigars with that fishy taste!!!
>
> Excuse me. It's only fishy when tainted with male stuff.
> >
> R.
Not wrong there.
--
Regards,
Steve Withers
swit...@paradise.net.nz
Registered Linux user #24688
http://counter.li.org
"First, they ignore you. Then they
laugh at you. Then they fight you.
Then you win." Mahatma Ghandi
Megan Pledger
> .. and for something really depressing:
>
> http://www.avert.org/subaadults.htm
It's pretty short sighted of the Zimbabwe government to be chasing out
white skilled farmers when the AIDs rate there is 25%.
They should be holding on to every last citizen they can - in the hope
that some of them will live.
M.
Megan Pledger
> "Kerry" wrote in message
> > No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
> >
> So
> A child made a ward of the state and given a blood transfusion, and
> contracts HIV....just bad luck?????
> When bloodless care could have been given.....and SAFE bloodless care?
What child is this? Or is this a hypothetical child?
In all medical care the risks and benefits of care have to be weighed
up.
It's always easier to point the finger after the wrong decision has
occurred when
a) noone knows what the outcome would have been had another course been
taken and
b) the accuser bears no responsibility for any outcome.
M.
Kerry
>
>"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:3ac68bc2...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
>> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:56:59 +1000, "тїу" <de_ho...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>
>> >> In my book that makes it pretty much a waste of time bothering.
>> >
>> >
>> >I guess being a realist can have that effect on some people, especially
>> >those who love the PC angle on everything, and thrive on the 'poor me'
>> >victim mentality all the while blaming anyone and anything but the person
>> >with whom the fault ultimately lies.
>> >
>>
>> So when individuals contract HIV it is their own fault?
>>
>
>I blame a broken condom during what was hopefully safe sex. What is it all
>you people do to not catch HIV?
Hey in anonymous-kid's world condoms don;t break
Kerry
Certainly. But I suspect you aren' really wondering about the facts
and figures.
Kerry
As I thought. Not actually interested in the facts and figures.
Asked and answered.
Kerry
>
>"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:3ac67225...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
>>
>> No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
>>
>So
>A child made a ward of the state and given a blood transfusion, and
>contracts HIV....just bad luck?????
Very bad luck yes.
I don;t think the child did anything to cause it no. Do you
understand the thread?
>When bloodless care could have been given.....and SAFE bloodless care?
>Pip
Only sometimes. There are many situations where 'bloodless care'
wouldnt be any use. Like when you run out of blood.
But heck facts, why bother with them
Kerry
wrote:
I thought so too Tom, <the article> Honest and touching.
I never thought much of PS myself, found him a wee bit too overbearing
a TV persona. But could never call him bad at anything.
Miche
<si...@darkmere.gen.nz> wrote:
> In nz.general <de_ho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Something along the lines of inserting a small glass marmite jar anally and
> >getting it stuck, then having to go to hospital to have it removed.
>
> Pretty much what I have heard. However slightly easier to verify would be
> the story that one of the teams on University Chellenge had a marmite jar
> as their mascot a few years ago and Peter got a little upset about it.
I can verify that as I was in University Challenge that year. The team
was asked to find a new mascot, and did. I can't remember which team it
was.
The fact that he was upset doesn't make the marmite jar story true, though.
Miche
--
"... in the physics of the heart, distance is relative;
it is time that is absolute."
- Lois McMaster Bujold, _Shards of Honor_
Kerry
Death usually.
>b) the accuser bears no responsibility for any outcome.
>
>M.
How true
Calum Bennachie
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:39:34 +1200, "Greg" <m...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> >news:3ac68bc2...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> >>
> >> >> In my book that makes it pretty much a waste of time bothering.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I guess being a realist can have that effect on some people,
especially
> >> >those who love the PC angle on everything, and thrive on the 'poor me'
> >> >victim mentality all the while blaming anyone and anything but the
person
> >> >with whom the fault ultimately lies.
> >> >
> >>
> >> So when individuals contract HIV it is their own fault?
> >>
> >
> >I blame a broken condom during what was hopefully safe sex. What is it
all
> >you people do to not catch HIV?
>
> Hey in anonymous-kid's world condoms don;t break
>
If the condom is correctly fitting (so you may have to try a few different
types), and you use plenty of water based or silicon based lube, there is
little chance of it breaking. I know of sex workers who had a little
difficulty when they first started work- had the odd one or two break, but
after they got used to them and putting them and using enough of the right
sorts of lube, they don't have any problem after then.
Calum
Mark Harris
>I have been listening to and watching him for nearly 40 years, and I have
>never heard him be rude, obnoxious, or put anyone or anything down. I have
>never met him, and only spoken to him once, on a radio show. He impresses me
>as one of nature's gentleman, and one who has made a genuine and positive
>difference to the lives of many New Zealanders.
>
>New Zealand will be a poorer place without him.
>
>
Amen
--
"Someone's been mean to you! Tell me who it is, so I can punch him tastefully."
- Ralph Bakshi's Mighty Mouse
Greg
>
> If the condom is correctly fitting (so you may have to try a few different
> types), and you use plenty of water based or silicon based lube, there is
> little chance of it breaking.
You said LITTLE so we must conclude that they do indeed break .. so what
should one do then to prevent a condom breakage? I know how to put em on
... fact is they break [ yes more easily if incorrectly used ] butthey break
even when used as per instructions ..I know .. it happened tyo me and I got
the virus.
I am not saying precautions are not good .. I am replying to the fool who is
sayingit is entirely ones own fault if one catches HIV .. the ONLY way to
put his theory to any real test is to stop all people having sex.
alpruneco
>
>
> I will point out however that 'bad luck' plays no part in the contraction
of
> the HI Virus.
>
Blood transfusion, being born with HIV, attending an accident victim even
when not equipped with gloves etc, ever having unprotected sex with anyone,
even one's partner - yes, even married people can stray and get diseases
and bring them back to the "sanctity" of the family home!
Do some thinking why don't you!
ALP
Liam Greenwood
<de_ho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Megan Pledger" <mple...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:3AC6B034...@ihug.co.nz...
>> > > > If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
>> > through
>> > > > sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
>>
>> Since you chose not to use protection do you see yourself as a contender
>> for a Darwin award?
>
>I do so having weighed the risks, taking into consideration my own
>background and that of my partner, the trust implicit in our relationship,
>and our monogamy.
>ever contract a disease (terminal or otherwise) because I no longer use
>protection.
I have in the last year read a number of books on relationships.
One thing that is common in them all is the rate of adultry. It
surprised me. The lowest figure I recall was 35%, and the highest
was 65%.
Cheers, Liam
Dave
>different types), and you use plenty of water based or silicon based
>lube, there is little chance of it breaking. I know of sex workers
>who had a little difficulty when they first started work- had the
>odd one or two break, but after they got used to them and putting
>them and using enough of the right sorts of lube, they don't have
>any problem after then.
I blame the manufacturers for making the condoms so small that they
split while i'm using them. In this case size does matter.
--
Rebecca Cathro
Bec
Steve Withers
Mugabe is not rational and he is a racist. He is no Mandela.....and it
shows.
Random Task
arsewipe.
> > Like all those people in Africa.....
>
> Nothing like a bit of population control in a country where once
again
> people know the risks. Sex is not like breathing air ya know, you
don't HAVE
> to have it.
> If you contract HIV in this day and age in any country in the world
through
> sex or drug use you're a contender for a darwin award.
>
What Kerry said, MORON
"Like all those people in Africa"
suella
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:44:48 +1200, ...Tom <to...@ihug.co.blahblah.nz>
> wrote:
>
> >in reply to Sulla <c...@jhug.co.nz>
> >>
impresses me
> >>as one of nature's gentleman, and one who has made a genuine and
positive
> >>difference to the lives of many New Zealanders.
> >>
> >>New Zealand will be a poorer place without him.
> >
> >Nicely put. I'm in my mid 30's and my childhood memories of TV
> >strongly feature Peter Sinclair.
> >
> >The dignity in the article this thread referred to is striking.
> >
> >...Tom
>
> I thought so too Tom, <the article> Honest and touching.
Wasn't that a memorable "quotable quote" of his ...?
"There are, I suppose, advantages to a slow departure, if only because it
gives you time to tidy up after the party."
It must be sad to say good-bye. He deserves our respect - dying takes
courage.
Sue
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> Was that the best you could do?
> I guess having no valid arguement to come back with leaves you
little to say
> ;p
Ever been tested ?
How about your partner ?
How about your previous partners ?
How about your partners previous partners ?
Tell the truth now
Would you change your tune if the test was POSITIVE
Rosie Salas
wrote:
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&th
>esubsection=general
>
>It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter (Marmite)
>Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years ago. No
>idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
>
>This reeks of celebrity type denial (leukemia is an often used cover for
>AIDS because the external symptoms are similar and it avoids the stigma
>associated with AIDS), given both the lifestyle and the stories I have heard
>about Pete's promiscuity with the young dark skinned lads he is reportedly
>known to favour having 'au natural' encounters with.
>
I read the actual article today, and thougth of something else. A
friend of mine, a gay man who has been in a monogamous relationship
for many years, has been diagnosed with a form of leukemia. I have no
reason at all to presume he is pretending he doesn't have AIDS - he
doesn't. There are forms of Leukemia that take a long time to become
critical. It is perfectly possible that Peter S has this or a similar
form. Given that a) I think he did come out b) it doesn't actually
matter anyway c) it's not actually our business, and the man deserves
sympathy.
And the marmite jar story has been around for years, (I heard it in
the seventies, and again in England in the eighties with different
names attached.) It is an urban myth.
Rosie
KaTnDaHaT
>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=180289&thesection=news&t
>> > h
>> > > >esubsection=general
>> > > >
>> > > >It has long been known by many and suspected by others that Peter
>> > (Marmite)
>> > > >Sinclair is gay. My ex was a casual sex partner of his many years
>ago.
>> No
>> > > >idea whether the marmite jar story is true or urban legend however :)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
>> >
>> >
>> let
>> > alone Pete, 'deserves' HIV.
>> >
>> > I will point out however that 'bad luck' plays no part in the
>contraction
>> of
>> > the HI Virus.
>> >
>> >
>
>A well thought out and intelligent reply I see :-p
>
It was the perfect reply to your extrememly pathetic post
Mr Holyasswipe. For your information Peter does not have
AIDS, I spoke to him not long ago on this subject as I
was wanting to get an article done he has no need to be
anything but honest with me. He was also in Hospital in
the room next to my cousins husband who is suffering from
Cancer. I'd like the chance to meet you in person so I could
bogwash your sorry ass.
Kerry
wrote:
Not that it's any of your business.
Leukaemia is not a manifestation of HIV
Cancer chemotherapy is not a treatment modality for HIV
Bobs
LOL. Professional stuff from you right there, Mr PhatKat Wood. What a communist.
Tell me, do you salute Stalins picture in the morning before heading
off to shit on innocent people?
--
"Welcome Bobs, get ready to suffer an eternity of pain" - Satan from
his throne
"I do believe you're in my seat" - Bobs' reply
Sulla
>
>A child born to an HIV + mother is not 'unlucky' but it is unfortunate.
>
And what is the difference between unlucky and unfortunate?
--
Onward and upward, the stars beckon, and judge.
Miche
<mi...@home.net.nz> wrote:
> I agree, so fugging what? Everyone should be entitled to dignity in illness
> and death. I guess the not so suttle point de_ho...@hotmail.com was
> trying to make is that here's another public person who's terrified of his
> sexuality becoming public property.
Oh for ghu's sake, hands up who doesn't know Pete Sinclair is gay.
suella
Rosie Salas <rosie...@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:3ac691d1...@news.clear.net.nz...[SNIP]
> I love it when people who think that their bigoted little world is the
> real world - "realism" is the thing that allows you to denigrate
> others who are different and completely not care about the misery of
> millions of people ( they are black, they are poor anyway and they are
> miles away, so I don't need to care
> Rosie
Having in lived in southern Africa for many years, the really frightening
aspect about the AIDS epidemic there is that the blacks, for the most part,
don't believe it actually exists. It seems that the general consensus,
particularly among the young black mineworkers in Soweto outside
Johannesburg, is that the whole AIDS thing is a scare tactic, fostered by
the whites in a bid to keep the black population down ("the safest sex is no
sex" theme).
What shocked me was hearing a group of mid-35s discussing AIDS and learning
that black men believed that the white chalky powder that condoms are coated
in to prevent the latex sticking would in 'fact', was a chemical - or
'muti' - that would make them sterile. No kids in Africa and you're a very
poor man indeed. Ergo, the men won't use condoms. I don't know how the
health authorities are going to get around that one - it's a fully
entrenched urban legend which everyone seems to believe.
If the whites urge them to use condoms, it's seen as part of the white
apartheid legacy; if the new black government says it, then they figure the
country's still governed by whites behind the scenes. And in the meantime,
whole villages are being wiped out and, "population control" or not,
misinformation and ignorance are very much to blame. (Not that one of the
Health Dept's recent AIDS campaigns helped a lot - they issued a huge number
of free condoms to the black communities in the townships throughout South
Africa; great idea ... except they were all neatly stapled to the card
*through the rubber*. They were only able to recall some.)
Sue
DH
years ago when my mind was sharper) and enjoy exchanginge-mails and
conversation with him. He is indeed one of nature's gentlemen -
eloquent, educated and urbane. It is a pleasure to know him
He is also possessed of tremendous courage.
May I sugget that we let him get on and live the rest of his life in
peace.
DJH
On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:44:48 +1200, ...Tom <to...@ihug.co.blahblah.nz>
wrote:
>in reply to Sulla <c...@jhug.co.nz>
>>
>>I have been listening to and watching him for nearly 40 years, and I have
>>never heard him be rude, obnoxious, or put anyone or anything down. I have
>>never met him, and only spoken to him once, on a radio show. He impresses me
Unknown
>May I sugget that we let him get on and live the rest of his life in
>peace.
>
Yeah!
BTMO
KaTnDaHaT <gr...@eggs.n.ham> wrote
<snip>
> It was the perfect reply to your extrememly pathetic post
> Mr Holyasswipe. For your information Peter does not have
> AIDS, I spoke to him not long ago on this subject as I
> was wanting to get an article done he has no need to be
> anything but honest with me. He was also in Hospital in
> the room next to my cousins husband who is suffering from
> Cancer. I'd like the chance to meet you in person so I could
> bogwash your sorry ass.
Geez, its a shame Theresa Gattung doesn't frequent these ngs...
I can just imagine you two going at it!
;-)
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www.btmoland.homestead.com
Its where reality takes a holiday!
Kerry
wrote:
>
>KaTnDaHaT <gr...@eggs.n.ham> wrote
>
><snip>
>
>> It was the perfect reply to your extrememly pathetic post
>> Mr Holyasswipe. For your information Peter does not have
>> AIDS, I spoke to him not long ago on this subject as I
>> was wanting to get an article done he has no need to be
>> anything but honest with me. He was also in Hospital in
>> the room next to my cousins husband who is suffering from
>> Cancer. I'd like the chance to meet you in person so I could
>> bogwash your sorry ass.
>
>Geez, its a shame Theresa Gattung doesn't frequent these ngs...
>
>I can just imagine you two going at it!
>
>;-)
Sick little puppy
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>
>"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:3ac67225...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
>>
>> No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
>>
>So
>A child made a ward of the state and given a blood transfusion, and
>contracts HIV....just bad luck?????
>When bloodless care could have been given.....and SAFE bloodless care?
>Pip
>
>
On what occasion would a child be given a blood transfusion if
bloodless care was possible?
Or is this a religious thing?
mark
Kerry
wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:20:25 +1200, "Pip" <pip...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Kerry" <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>news:3ac67225...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
>>>
>>> No one 'deserves' HIV, its just bad luck.
>>>
>>So
>>A child made a ward of the state and given a blood transfusion, and
>>contracts HIV....just bad luck?????
>>When bloodless care could have been given.....and SAFE bloodless care?
>>Pip
>>
>>
>On what occasion would a child be given a blood transfusion if
>bloodless care was possible?
>
>Or is this a religious thing?
>
If it is, the Jehovas Witnesses have recently changed their policies
on blood transfusion anyway
I wish the people that go on about this would realise that blood in NZ
is like gold. You don;t get a blood transfusion unless you really,
and I mean really, need one.
Having said that, new donors are always needed. Especially Maori and
Polynesian donors, as there is a very small pool of them.
David Pears
(Kerry) wrote:
>Having said that, new donors are always needed. Especially Maori and
>Polynesian donors, as there is a very small pool of them.
Does the race of the donor matter?
David
Kerry
wrote:
Indirectly. Maori and other Polynesian groups have a very narrow
spectrum of blood markers, probably secondary to their relative
isolation over millennia. Getting a match for a person with a fairly
uncommon <in the generally european donor population> blood marker
profile is difficult unless there is a decent sized pool of donors
with the same spectrum of markers. In this case the same racial
groupings