Petone returning to Fluoride-free water?
Calal
pumping station and return to it's own untreated water supply.
This is good for 2 reasons
1. The Hutt city council is honouring the deal it got into when it
merged with Petone.
2. Anyone who really wants untreated water can live in Petone, or visit
friends/relatives there.
Is the new supply connected yet?
Evad Rehtona
> 2. Anyone who really wants untreated water can live in Petone, or visit
> friends/relatives there.
>
> Is the new supply connected yet?
Why would you want untreated water?
Do you want your teeth to rot, as used to happen?
Calal
I'm only too happy to warn you of the danger to your teeth. But you
didn't answer my question.
Sal
fluoride into water supplies, because of the potential dangers it could
cause to our health. The whole of the wellington regions water should be
fluoride free, and people should be free to choose whether they want
fluoride in their diets or not. Isn't fluoride just a chemical waste product
anyway!
We already consume too many chemicals in our daily diet, and nobody knows
what these chemical cocktails are really doing to us. They are really just a
short term way for companies to save money without looking at the long term
effects of such exposure. Vote to make all our water fluoride free.
Calal <cal...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:394C8164...@ihug.co.nz...
Jenny
members of the group that got this done and see what she has to say about
it.
J.
Calal <cal...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:394C7092...@ihug.co.nz...
> I think that it was recently published that Petone will get a new
> pumping station and return to it's own untreated water supply.
> This is good for 2 reasons
>
> 1. The Hutt city council is honouring the deal it got into when it
> merged with Petone.
>
Jenny
news:394C78...@iprolink.co.nz...
> Calal wrote:
>
> > 2. Anyone who really wants untreated water can live in Petone, or visit
> > friends/relatives there.
> >
> > Is the new supply connected yet?
>
>
> Do you want your teeth to rot, as used to happen?
Actually there is some ever building evidence that it's not that useful in
the water and taken systemically and that it's best taken topically i.e. via
toothpaste, etc. Also, it's most effect is for people under 12. So: once
you are over that age it is of no real benefit as you have your adult teeth
thru. There's also some evidence that it may be contributing to hip
fractures and bone density probs in the elderly, but no one is totally
certain on this. The original decision to put the stuff in our water was
made 30 years ago. Science has moved on since then so I don't know why they
don't revisit it PROPERLY and get a decent test that can tell us once and
for all if it's worth while.
Personally I'd like it to be removed from all the water supply stations in
Wellington, mostly because the form of it that we get put in the water is
not a medical-grade version of it (like in toothpaste) but rather one that
is a side product from aluminimum smeltering. If the regional councils
didn't buy it to put in our water, the smelters would have to pay to get it
disposed of.
That in itself is sufficient for me to feel that they're putting a toxic
poison in the water and I'd like to have it removed.
Secondly, flouridated water did NOTHING for me. What would be best is if
we're all taught and encouraged to brush our teeth twice day and not eat so
many lollies :) I ate so many lollies and had no dental hygience routine
in place that at the tender age of 5 years 3 weeks I had my first filling
I'd rather they just gave us the purest water they can find and let us worry
about our additivies and minerals, etc.
Cheers,
J.
Kerry
>I think that it was recently published that Petone will get a new
>pumping station and return to it's own untreated water supply.
> This is good for 2 reasons
>
>1. The Hutt city council is honouring the deal it got into when it
>merged with Petone.
>
>2. Anyone who really wants untreated water can live in Petone, or visit
>friends/relatives there.
>
>Is the new supply connected yet?
And what about the poor people with rampant dental caries who live in
Petone?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brevity is the soul of lingerie
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Andrew Reitemeyer
Sal wrote:
> Many States un the US, and many countries in Europe have stopped putting
> fluoride into water supplies, because of the potential dangers it could
> cause to our health. The whole of the wellington regions water should be
> fluoride free, and people should be free to choose whether they want
> fluoride in their diets or not. Isn't fluoride just a chemical waste product
> anyway!
> We already consume too many chemicals in our daily diet, and nobody knows
> what these chemical cocktails are really doing to us. They are really just a
> short term way for companies to save money without looking at the long term
> effects of such exposure. Vote to make all our water fluoride free.
Of all the chemicals that can be present in water DHMO is the worst!
Fluoride is not as toxic as DHMO - a thimble full could kill you and it it is
linked to school violence. All the water supplies in Europe are full of it and
I'bet they don't even mention it in New Zealand but it will be there
>
>
> Calal <cal...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:394C8164...@ihug.co.nz...
> > Evad Rehtona wrote:
> > >
> > > Calal wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2. Anyone who really wants untreated water can live in Petone, or
> visit
> > > > friends/relatives there.
> > > >
> > > > Is the new supply connected yet?
> > >
> > > Why would you want untreated water?
> > >
> > > Do you want your teeth to rot, as used to happen?
> >
> > I'm only too happy to warn you of the danger to your teeth. But you
> > didn't answer my question.
--
Andrew Reitemeyer (kiwano)
http://www.virtuum.com The Virtuum
Richard Savage
> And what about the poor people with rampant dental caries who live in
> Petone?
Yeah, Who *can* I sue for them?
RtB.
--
It works better if you plug it in.
Don Mackie
wrote:
> the form of it that we get put in the water is
> not a medical-grade version of it (like in toothpaste) but rather one that
> is a side product from aluminimum smeltering.
Where does the toothpaste stuff come from?
And why can't a side product from aluminium smelting be pure?
--
"Any PC built after 1985 has the storage capacity to house an evil spirit,"
Reverend Jim Peasboro
Bill
thread down quickly!
Calal wrote:
> I think that it was recently published that Petone will get a new
> pumping station and return to it's own untreated water supply.
> This is good for 2 reasons
>
> 1. The Hutt city council is honouring the deal it got into when it
> merged with Petone.
>
Jenny
Kerry <ker...@remove.this.bit.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:394cce0c...@news.wlg.ihug.co.nz...
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:47:47 +1200, Calal <cal...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >I think that it was recently published that Petone will get a new
> >pumping station and return to it's own untreated water supply.
> > This is good for 2 reasons
> >
> >1. The Hutt city council is honouring the deal it got into when it
> >merged with Petone.
> >
> >2. Anyone who really wants untreated water can live in Petone, or visit
> >friends/relatives there.
> >
> >Is the new supply connected yet?
>
> Petone?
Ahh... but is there?
J.
Kerry
Undoubtedly
Sal
their own opinions. Obviously you feel threatened by things that you don't
understand, or don't make any sense to you. Do some research and you may
just understand what these people are talking about!
Bill <bill...@the.net.nz> wrote in message
news:394DE9C4...@the.net.nz...
> Oh God! Don't give the Luddite morons the opportunity to spout! Shut this
> thread down quickly!
>
Jenny
> >> And what about the poor people with rampant dental caries who live in
> >> Petone?
> >
> >Ahh... but is there?
Sorry to do the "but why?" routine, but honestly: how can you be certain?
And what statistics do you have? What statistics do they really have?
You know something - I don't think anyone really knows... :)
J.
Jenny
Ok, folks: this site is the one that is quite interesting on the topic of
fluoridation because it was written by a New Zealander, a former Principal
Dental officer in Auckland. It's interesting because the Health department
didn't want to know what he was saying about the whole thing. This document
is all over the 'net and countries including the USA view it as being
credible, despite it coming from lil' ole New Zealand.
http://www.fluoridation.com/colquhoun.htm
This site will give you other articles to read about the pro's and con's of
fluoride.
Cheers,
Jenny.
Sal <n...@spam.com> wrote in message news:96148375...@mx4.ix.net.nz...
Kerry
Dental caries were alwasy a big problem amongst the poor, dental care
being more of a luxury than anything else in this society.
Dental caries amongst the poor became much much less common with
fluoridation. Consequently the morbidity, and mortality associated
with dental caries amongst the poor were also lowered significantly.
People not dying of bacterial endocarditis in the numbers they once
did is quite a saving. But I suppose if they are only poor people not
dying.....
ajsj
I agree if anyone, wants fluoride in the water supply they should be able to
CHOOSE, and add a tablet if that is what they want.
Here are some sites I found regarding fluoride for those interested.
Regards Andrew
Gary Null, Ph.D. — Information and a plan for action to stop
fluoridation <www.garynull.com/issues/fluoride/fluorideactionfile.htm>
Preventive Dental Health Association, David Kennedy, D.D.S. — The
Dangers of Fluoridation & Alternatives to Fluoride
<emporium.turnpike.net/p/pdha/health.htm>
Elke Babiuk — Fluoride: Protected Pollutant or Panacea? (photos of
fluorosis and lots of abstracts) <www.cadvision.com/fluoride/index.htm>
The Fluoride Stop, by Andreas Schuld (Andreas is especially expert about
fluoride/thyroid effects) <www.bruha.com/fluoride>
Stop Fluoridation U.S.A., by Darlene Sherrill (Lots of diverse stuff)
<www.rvi.net/~fluoride>
Scholarly Journal of the International Society for Fluoride Research
<www.fluoride-journal.com/index.htm>
Fluorides & Fluoridation, Leading-Edge Research Group, by Val Verlerian
(Many scanned documents; probably the biggest site.)
<www.trufax.org/fluoride/fluorides.html>
Fluoride Issues — Dan Montgomery (Includes current news)
<www.sonic.net/~kryptox/fluoride.htm>
America Overdosed on Fluoride — Lynn Landes (Includes e-mail
correspondence inwhich an ADA spokesperson refutes news reports that
non-fluoridated bottled water causes cavities, and what you can do to ban
fluoride and educate others.)
<www.zerowasteamerica.org/fluorideoverdose.htm>
Ellie Rudolph’s site (Find out if your Pennsylvania town or city water
is fluoridated.) <www.penweb.org/issues/fluoride/index.html>
The Dangers of Fluoride & Fluoridation, by Michael Schacter, M.D.
<www.healthy.net/library/articles/schacter/fluoride.n.htm>
The Toxic Effects of Fluoride (Be aware that they are selling a fluoride
removal system.) <www.wholywater.com/fluoride.html>
Fluoridation Debate (Environmental Health Perspectives, Volume 105, Number
11, November 1997) <ehpnet1.niehs.nih.gov/docs/1997/105-11/forum.html>
Fluoridation: The Overdosing of America — Fact or Fiction? (Slides by
Gerald H. Smith, D.D.S.) <www.icnr.com/FluoridePres.html>
Fluoridation for Dummies — Oregon Citizens for Safe Water
<www.greatseal.com/writer/youessay/fluoridation.html>
An Association of state and local websites: STOP Fluoridation of North
Hollywood, California <surf.to/stopfluoride>
Darryl W. Roundy, D.C. — Fluoride Research
<www.atlaschiro.com/fluorideresch.htm>
Fluoride: Commie Plot or Capitalist Ploy, by Joel Griffiths, investigative
reporter <www.scruz.net/~paul/issues/Fluoride.html>
Fluoride:Wide Range of Serious Health Problems, by Shirley
Lipschutz-Robinson <www.geocities.com/hotsprings/1158/fluoride.htm>
Mark Spess — The Fluoride Detective <embark.to/fdetective>
Fluoride: Dentistry’s Boondoggle, by Joyal Taylor, D.D.S.
<www.healthy.net/hwlibraryarticles/dentistry/envchap3.htm>
Fluoride — Friend or Fraud, Liberty Australia
<www.webaxs.net/~noel/fluoride.htm>
Fluoride Controversy, the Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients
<www.tldp.com/fluoride.htm>
Citizens for Safe Drinking Water (Mountainview, California)
<www.nofluoride.com>
Fluoridated Toothpastes must now be labeled “POISON,” by
Charlotte Gerson <www.geocities.com/Eureka/Enterprises/8669/flpoison.html>
Fluoride: Public Health Goal <www.saveteeth.org./index.htm>
Did Government Approve Citizens as Toxic Waste Sites?
<www.thewinds.org/index.html> (search site for “fluoride”)
Scientific Facts on the Biological Effects of Fluorides
<www.all-natural.com/fleffect.html>
California Lawsuit (L.A. Citizens for Safe Drinking Water)
<home.earthlink.net/~dcragoe/LA_legal.htm>
Fluoridation Fluoride Toxic Chemicals In Your Water
<www.holisticmed.com/fluoride>
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Sal wrote in message <96132222...@mx4.ix.net.nz>...
>Many States un the US, and many countries in Europe have stopped putting
>fluoride into water supplies, because of the potential dangers it could
>cause to our health. The whole of the wellington regions water should be
>fluoride free, and people should be free to choose whether they want
>fluoride in their diets or not. Isn't fluoride just a chemical waste
product
>anyway!
>We already consume too many chemicals in our daily diet, and nobody knows
>what these chemical cocktails are really doing to us. They are really just
a
>short term way for companies to save money without looking at the long term
>effects of such exposure. Vote to make all our water fluoride free.
>
>
>Calal <cal...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:394C8164...@ihug.co.nz...
>> Evad Rehtona wrote:
>> >
>> > Calal wrote:
>> >
>> > > 2. Anyone who really wants untreated water can live in Petone, or
>visit
>> > > friends/relatives there.
>> > >
>> > > Is the new supply connected yet?
>> >
Jane E. Nicholson
>Hi there,
>
>I agree if anyone, wants fluoride in the water supply they should be able to
>CHOOSE, and add a tablet if that is what they want.
>
>
>Regards Andrew
>
The fluoride goes in the water because then it reaches the people who can't or
won't afford to buy fluoride tablets, who incidentally are those who can't or
won't afford proper dental care.
A better suggestion would be that those who want to choose, can choose to buy
bottled water. Or set up a rainwater tank on your roof.
Jane
ajsj
I can appreciate that dental care is unaffordable to some people, which is a
social problem that I won`t get into. The point I was trying to make (maybe
not very clearly) is that I would rather not have a poison added to the
general populations water supply.
Did you look at any of the links about fluoride?
I vote for FLUORIDE free water.
(And you are right, in that the only way I will get it will be to get a
water tank)
Regards Andrew
Jane E. Nicholson wrote in message <3950103c...@news.iconz.co.nz>...
>On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:10:03 +1200, "ajsj" <aj...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>I agree if anyone, wants fluoride in the water supply they should be able
to
>>CHOOSE, and add a tablet if that is what they want.
>>
>>
ajsj
John Hornblow wrote in message <395195d...@news.paradise.net.nz>...
>On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:14:36 +1200, "ajsj" <aj...@paradise.net.nz>
>wrote:
>
>>Hi Jane ,
>>
>>I can appreciate that dental care is unaffordable to some people, which is
a
>>social problem that I won`t get into. The point I was trying to make
(maybe
>>not very clearly) is that I would rather not have a poison added to the
>>general populations water supply.
>
>what do you rate as a "poison"?
>fluride is a natural substance...
***John,
Posion=SUBSTANCE that when introduced into or abosorbed by a living organism
destorys life or injures health.
Reference Oxford Dictionary
I am sure that there are many natural substances that can be classified as a
posion.
What levels of fluoride are classified as "safe" for comsuption. Would too
much fluoride be classified as a posion.
>
>although some ? unbiased people like to describe it as a product of
>the pestiside industry...
***Also I gather that you are assuming that I am unbiased person who
descirbes fluoride as a product (or do you mean by-product) of the pestiside
industry.
All I was doing was giving some links on the subject which seam to have
produce a bit of interesting thread.
>
>What the hec where they extract it from, its still fluoride...
>my dentist cant belive the health of my teeth knowing how little I
>brush them, its because of Fluoride.. thanks mum and dad...
***Does fluoride occur naturally in water?
All I was saying here was that I would rather have the option to CHOOSE if I
have fluoride in the water I drink, instead of having some government
department saying this is what I need.
I gather that from your reply you would CHOOSE to have fluoride,which is
fine. But why does it have to come in the water?
Regards Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
John Hornblow
wrote:
>Hi Jane ,
>
>I can appreciate that dental care is unaffordable to some people, which is a
>social problem that I won`t get into. The point I was trying to make (maybe
>not very clearly) is that I would rather not have a poison added to the
>general populations water supply.
what do you rate as a "poison"?
fluride is a natural substance...
although some ? unbiased people like to describe it as a product of
the pestiside industry...
What the hec where they extract it from, its still fluoride...
Ron Gramann
what started out as toxic waste was sold to the people as an essential
dental health additive.
Ron
"John Hornblow" <jo...@myplace.co.nz> wrote in message
news:395195d...@news.paradise.net.nz...
John Hornblow
wrote:
>
>Posion=SUBSTANCE that when introduced into or abosorbed by a living organism
>destorys life or injures health.
>Reference Oxford Dictionary
>
exactly, so why are they calling it a poison when it improved health?
ajsj
John Hornblow wrote in message <39523ee...@news.paradise.net.nz>...
Because it is a posion.
Improved health may be your perception.
But their seams to be alot of debate about this around the world.
I take that you are willing to acept any fluoride level in your water as it
is not a posion.
I would rather have the CHOICE of adding fluoride to my water
I copied this from the following web site.
www.bruha.com/fluoride
Fluoride is an acute toxin with a rating slightly higher than that of lead.
According to "Clinical Toxicology of Commercial products," 5th Edition,
1984, lead is given a toxicity rating of 3 to 4, and Fluoride is rated at 4
(3 = moderately toxic, 4 = very toxic). On December 7, 1992, the new EPA
Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for lead was set at 0.015 ppm, with a goal
of 0.0ppm. The MCL for fluoride is currently set for 4.0ppm - that's over
250 times the permissable level of lead. Fluoride is also considered toxic
waste. It is one of the most bone seeking elements known to mankind. The US
Public Health Service has stated that fluoride makes the bones more brittle
and the dental enamel more porous.
Andrew
>
>
Don Mackie
<r...@incognitasoftware.com> wrote:
> I've read that Fluoride is a by-product of the metal refining industry
> and
> what started out as toxic waste was sold to the people as an essential
> dental health additive.
>
> Ron
I've read that too, but have yet to see substantial evidence to support
the assertion.
Calal
I went for a dental check recently and needed a filling. I have spent
2/3 of my life in an unfluoridated area (Christchurch) and got 2/3 of my
fillings then, and the last 1/3 of my life in a fluoridated area
(Khandallah then Trentham then Lower Hutt) and got 1/3 of my fillings.
So for me it makes F**k all difference whether I have fluoridated water
or not.
But knowing whether my water is fluoridated enables me to make the
observation that fluoride doesn't stop my tooth decay. I have 16
fillings, my 35yr brother has about 3. He still lives in Christchurch.
I think everyone should know what they're being dosed with and whether
it's effective.
Bill wrote:
>
> Oh God! Don't give the Luddite morons the opportunity to spout! Shut this
> thread down quickly!
>
> Calal wrote:
>
> > I think that it was recently published that Petone will get a new
> > pumping station and return to it's own untreated water supply.
> > This is good for 2 reasons
> >
> > 1. The Hutt city council is honouring the deal it got into when it
> > merged with Petone.
> >
Jenny
obvious about which view you take is beyond me.. maybe I'm not that clever
when it comes to debating in writing... dunno. Moot point. Read on.
I think it does matter where fluoride comes from. We DON'T have to have
fluoride to exist. We don't have to have fluoride tablets to have good
teeth. A toothbrush will do enough to keep your teeth clean. Clean your
teeth with a bit of rough fabric or towel if you can't afford a toothbrush.
Avoid sweets. Just keep them clean.
The point is that a substance is being put into our drinking water that many
of us have never had the opportunity to decline if we so wish. Petone have
had an opportunity to debate whether they want it and they've declined it.
There's a heap of evidence on the 'net and in the worldwide health arena
that suggests that we should learn as much about this substance as we
possibly can and do some thinking and perhaps revisit the issue of what goes
into our water. Just because we're not health professionals doesn't mean we
can make CHOICES about what gets done for the sake of our health.
For those who think it's a load of bollix, please - before you say you think
it's a load of bollix read some of what is being put forward here with an
open mind. Give it some thought.
I had NO idea about this until I got talking to a lady from work who was
involved with the Petone campaign. When she first started prattling on about
it I thought she was out of her mind. I have not been brainwashed by her.
I have simply read as much as I can, some that she's referred me to, and
some that I've found for myself on the topic. To me, it would appear there
is a complete contrast of opinions worldwide on the whole thing. I don't
know who to believe as to who is PRECISELY true.
What I know is that I don't like being dictated to by an organisation that I
feel needs to reconsider what they put into the water supply. I want the
right to choose.
I feel uncomfortable about the source of fluoride that we have in our water
in New Zealand as it is a by-product of the aluminium smeltering process.
I'm no scientist (hell.. I hated chemistry) but it's not the same form as
what is in toothpaste and I feel that the form in toothpaste is of a higher
grade of fluoride than that which is in our water. (Call me fickle).
I believe that we would benefit more from fluoride if we could apply it
topically to our teeth, rather than drinking it. Think about it: Yes, it
would get into our teeth by drinking in water, but how long does it take to
"really get in" (eek.. Colgate ads!)? Ditto for "how long does it take for
calcium to get into our bones".
I have seen STRONG suggestions in the stuff that I've read that it's not
that useful to adults but it is for children under 12 - i.e. those that are
still growing their teeth.
I'm simply unconvinced that fluoride is the reason why some people have good
teeth and some don't. I know PLENTY of people that have had life-long
exposure to fluoride in water but have LOTS of filings, like me! I also
know people who have lived in areas that did not have fluoride in the water
because they lived in rural areas and their teeth are fantastic.
For those reasons I'd like to have it removed from the water supply.
That's it.
J.
John Hornblow <jo...@myplace.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3952db7...@news.paradise.net.nz...
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:21:02 +1200, "Ron Gramann"
> <r...@incognitasoftware.com> wrote:
>
> >I've read that Fluoride is a by-product of the metal refining industry
and
> >what started out as toxic waste was sold to the people as an essential
> >dental health additive.
> >
> So what Fluoride is Fluoride, what does it matter where it comes
> from...
> Its hard to belive your objective when you continual posts about its
> source as being from toxic waste...
>
Jenny
the HELL do you call it) for the entire country, one that can be relied on,
one that had consistent testing methods and information gathering methods so
we could make a really informed choice.
I know how I feel about the topic and I've stated these in my last post, but
I would still like something conclusive that has been done in NZ and is
irrefutable. If you read this http://www.fluoridation.com/colquhoun.htm, it
would appear that studies (that's the word!) that had been done in NZ
weren't as conclusive as would have been liked.
Maybe I'm asking too much. Yes: I know there is no such thing as a "sure
thing"... But still...
Cheers,
J.
Calal <cal...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3951F483...@ihug.co.nz...
John Hornblow
Don Mackie
wrote:
> I'm no scientist (hell.. I hated chemistry) but it's not the same form as
> what is in toothpaste and I feel that the form in toothpaste is of a
> higher
> grade of fluoride than that which is in our water. (Call me fickle).
I've asked this before, with no answers, but - where does the "higher
grade" fluoride in toothpaste come from?
Pete
Jenny <den...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:8inib0$g2$1...@news.ihug.co.nz...
> Agreed...
>
> Ok, folks: this site is the one that is quite interesting on the topic of
> fluoridation because it was written by a New Zealander, a former Principal
> Dental officer in Auckland. It's interesting because the Health
department
> didn't want to know what he was saying about the whole thing. This
document
> is all over the 'net and countries including the USA view it as being
> credible, despite it coming from lil' ole New Zealand.
>
> http://www.fluoridation.com/colquhoun.htm
>
> This site will give you other articles to read about the pro's and con's
of
> fluoride.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jenny.
the flouridation of water commence about the time the Bluff aluminium
smelter started production? I toured the smelter once, and saw a big
(10meters high) pile of flouride which the guide said was a by product of
the smelting but was sold for water 'treatment".
Jenny
Not sure if there is a direct correlation between the two: when did the
Smelter start up?
I know that fluoridation of our water has been going on in Wellington for
approximately 30 years.
Cheers,
J.
Pete <fif...@hot-shot.com> wrote in message
news:96184960...@shelley.paradise.net.nz...
Jenny
You find out for me? :)
I can't remember the full chemical description of the two kinds of fluoride,
unfortunately but they're definitely different kinds. But yes: that still
doesn't answer where it comes from.
Not sure. I'll go back to my source and ask her if she knows.
J.
Don Mackie <don...@spammmesenseless.iconz.co.nz> wrote in message
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The smelter started production roughly April 1971 if I can recall it
right. Makes it 29 years......
Pete
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waste that needs to be disposed of. The health authorities "just happen" to
decide that flouride is the very thing we all need to stop or teeth going
bad......
Comalco probably couldn't believe their luck. They have this toxic waste to
be disposed of and someone wants to BUY it?
Bill
determine the truth or otherwise of the propositions that the fluoridation of
water has (1) led to a measurable reduction in tooth decay; and (2) had
detrimental health effects on all or some of the population is the ONLY proper
approach. Luddite blathering gets us nowhere.
One of the posts in this thread insinuates that the fluoridation of the water
might have been a "plot" to get rid of toxic waste from the aluminium smelter.
For goodness' sake! Endless posts state that sodium fluoride is poisonous. Yes -
but so is sodium chloride in any moe than quite small quantities. And so
on.........
My teeth, and those of my wife, are not very good. I now have several crowns. We
were brought up in the 1950s. Our sons, brought up in the 1970s-1980s, have
excellent teeth. The only fillings are where tight fissures caused problems. The
fillings are small, and should cause little problem in later life. They have
always lived in fluoridated water areas. Their teeth are not stained
(fluorosis), and their general health is excellent. Dental authorities,
including my own dentist in whom I have a great deal of confidence, mostly still
support the fluoridation of water as a public health measure. I believe in
following expert advice.
Incidentally, my kids had a full set of immunisations: polio, measles, whooping
cough, diphtheria, tetanus, and hepatitis. They probably didn't get rubella
vaccinations - essential for young women though. I consider them lucky. I
remember the last polio epidemic in the early 1950s. Our family history research
shows that in 1866, a mother and three children in their ancestry were killed by
diphtheria in a 6 week period. And yet, immunisation rates are declining. I
cannot believe the stupidity of it!
Bill
Jenny
To be honest, I had no idea what a "Luddite" is so that comment was totally
lost on me and perhaps lots of others. What's more to the pity is that I do
not possess a dictionary - other than what I can get on the 'net. I've just
looked it up and it says it is: The term Luddite has been resurrected from
a previous era to describe one who distrusts or fears the inevitable changes
brought about by new technology. We're not talking about fear of new
technology, but rather embracing it i.e. it is my contention that the
decision to have flouride in our water was made 30-odd years ago. I believe
that it was made with the best scientific knowledge to hand at the time.
Given that science has progressed in those 30 years, and that there are
suspicions that things might not be so great with fluoride, that perhaps we
should revisit that decision to take advantage of current scientific
thinking. To that end, I do not believe that the people that have posted
here on the topic, especially those who take a decidedly anti-fluoride
stance are particularly "luddite" in their approach. Interesting term tho',
and thanks for giving me something to go find out about :)
I honestly don't believe it has been a particular "plot" to get rid of the
by-product of aluminium smeltering. I believe they took advantage of what
seemed to be a very lucky and happy co-incidence for the Smelter, at any
rate... for the rest of us I feel it's yet to be proven.
Regarding your comments about a dental authority, who would you consider to
be that authority nowadays? It is my understanding that the Health
Department makes that choice. I'd like to see an independent study done of
fluoride that does not involve the Health Department whatsoever.
Incidentally, given your own experience with your own teeth, did you
encourage your children to take more care with their own teeth? I have a
friend at work who honestly believes that fluoride did the trick for her
kids, yet she freely admits that she never allowed any sweets or biscuits in
the house when they were growing up, and also that she was very diligent
about enforcing good dental care. My mother never enforced either of those
things - it was noted in my Plunket book when I was 3 (I have this book now)
that I had a "sweet tooth". She also never encouraged tooth brushing and
pretty much left it up to us if we wanted to brush our teeth - but we were
always provided with toothbrushes. Mum and Dad had false teeth and believed
we'd all end up the same. I honestly feel that I've manged to retain my
teeth as we often had the toothpaste and toohbrush companies come to speak
to us at school and give us toothbrushes and toothpaste and we were actively
taught how to care for our teeth.
The immunisation thing is a whole different kettle of fish but just as
compelling as the fluoride "argument" ... :)
Thanks Bill,
J.
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Jenny
I hear what you're saying about toxic, but given that the smelter would
normally have to pay to have it disposed of, then what do you call it?
Sounds at least somewhat "dodgy" then? :) If not toxic?
J.
Jeremy Bowen <Jer...@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
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> "Pete" <fif...@hot-shot.com> writes:
>
> > Conspiracy, anyone? The smelter "just happens" to have a big pile of
toxic
> > waste
>
> It is NOT toxic waste. It is simply a by-product of the smelting
> process. Common H2O can be lethal in excessive quantities. Please try
> not to cloud this discussion with such emotive language.
>
> > Comalco probably couldn't believe their luck. They have this toxic waste
to
> > be disposed of and someone wants to BUY it?
>
> Save your silly use of the word "toxic" for something that deserves it
> like dioxin or plutonium.
>
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Jane E. Nicholson
>Hi Jeremy.
>
>I hear what you're saying about toxic, but given that the smelter would
>normally have to pay to have it disposed of, then what do you call it?
>
>Sounds at least somewhat "dodgy" then? :) If not toxic?
>
>J.
>
Toxic means poisonous. It doesn't mean 'surplus' or 'unwanted' or
'inconvenient' or even 'expensive to dispose of'. It means poisonous.
Jane