Goss Mailing List
W G Mathew
Goss 58 emailed out on Tue, 16 Dec 1997 at 09:49:05 +1300 included the
email addresses of 1439 addressees on the Goss mailing list for all to
see. The mailing list clearly belongs to Goss/ACT and at the end of
the day they can do with it what ever they like. It is likely that at
least some of those on the list will not be pleased that the list is
now effectively in the public domain. My questiion to Goss/ACT is
whether the publication of this list was a calculated act or a finger
problem with the mailer.
George Mathew
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W G Mathew Wellington, New Zealand
Email: math...@xtra.co.nz
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David McLoughlin
W G Mathew wrote:
>
> Goss 58 emailed out on Tue, 16 Dec 1997 at 09:49:05 +1300 included the
> email addresses of 1439 addressees on the Goss mailing list for all to
> see. The mailing list clearly belongs to Goss/ACT and at the end of
> the day they can do with it what ever they like. It is likely that at
> least some of those on the list will not be pleased that the list is
> now effectively in the public domain. My questiion to Goss/ACT is
> whether the publication of this list was a calculated act or a finger
> problem with the mailer.
>
What annoys me is that they send me the Email Goss (which I want) but
also send a faxed version, sometimes several. In fact Act send me so many
faxes I have to keep my fax turned off. If I turn it on for a moment, a
fax from ACT starts cominmg through. I have asked several times for them
to stop faxing me things and send them email instead, and all that
happened was I got an email Goss as well as faxed ones.
In a similar vein, I got a press statement from Murray McCully's office
today that also listed large numbers of email addresses, including quite
a few MPs'! Thanks Fraser!
David McLoughlin
Auckland New Zealand
Shaggy
>. In fact Act send me so many
>faxes I have to keep my fax turned off. If I turn it on for a moment, a
>fax from ACT starts cominmg through. I have asked several times for them
>to stop faxing me things and send them email instead, and all that
>happened was I got an email Goss as well as faxed ones.
well - you know what to do -- print in large type - DO NOT FAX ME
AGAIN
print on A4 - stick this to another A4 end-on-end
Send Thru Fax to ACT
when the paper is half way thru celotape it into a circle
keep faxing till disconnected
Shaggy
--
DBREMER at ES dot CO dot NZ
Richard John Creser
The mailing list was sent by mistake. I have been in touch with Act and
they have advised me that I will face legal action if I use the list.
However I am going to publish my own newsletter...THE GOOSE.. and use
their list now that it has entered the public domain. Anyone who wants to
receive the THE GOOSE or contribute an article please contact
jcr...@voyager.co.nz
Thanx JC
Bruce Simpson
On 16 Dec 1997 18:23:06 GMT, Richard John Creser
<jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
I'd be pretty careful if I were you. It would be surprising if there
was not a legal distinction between information that was purposely
released into the public domain and that which was accidentally
published.
I don't think the list concerned was released into the public domain
and the fact that it was published (accidentally or otherwise) does
not give you any rights as to its ownership or use. Just because you
buy a published book doesn't give you any ownership (intellectual
property) right over the information contained in it.
Check with a lawyer to avoid a possibly very expensive law suit!
------
VOTE IN THE 1997 AARDVARK NZ NET AWARDS!
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/weekly/
You can email me at bruce at 7am ddot com
Richard John Creser
An expensive lawsuit would seem the ideal way to publicise our new
political newsletter..."THE GOOSE"...publicty is never cheap.
Richard John Creser
Richard John Creser
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Max
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Michael des David
<michael....@fp.co.nz>,
Michael Draper
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Michael Pearson
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Michael Thomas
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Murray Franks
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N J Wallace <neville...@xtra.co.nz>,
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Pablo Art Studio
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Papawai Tce <pap...@ihug.co.nz>, Patrick Cole
<pgc...@ihug.co.nz>,
Patrick.Fitzgerald[smtp:patrick.f@[202.37.101.6]],
Patrick Hertnon <hert...@wantree.com.au>,
Patrick McLennan
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Patrick Morgan
<patrick...@dia.govt.nz>, Paul <pa...@hkm.co.nz>,
Paul A R Foster
<paul....@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>,
"Paul and Denise O'Hagan"
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Paul Anderson <pand...@clsholdings.com>,
Paul Baines <paul....@xtra.co.nz>,
Paul Barnes <pba...@netlink.co.nz>, Paul Booth <ren...@voyager.co.nz>,
Paul Brydges
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Paul Clarke <paul_...@clear.net.nz>,
Paul Dunmore <dun...@matai.vuw.ac.nz>,
Paul Fuge
<fu...@transpower.co.nz>, Paul Grainger <pa...@bcl.co.nz>,
Paul Grover
<psgr...@hk.super.net>,
Paul H Atkinson <patk...@voyager.co.nz>,
Paul Harrison <pau...@ihug.co.nz>, Paul Hunter <pa...@iconz.co.nz>,
Paul Jordan <paul....@nzpca.org.nz>,
Paul Lambert
<paul.m....@ac.com>,
Paul Marshall <mars...@agresearch.cri.nz>,
Paul McDonald <ra...@clear.net.nz>,
Paul McLaughlin
<paul&sa...@xtra.co.nz>,
Paul McWhinnie
<paul_mc...@westpactrust.co.nz>,
Paul Millington <sur...@wave.co.nz>,
Paul Rosanowski <pa...@tdc.govt.nz>, Paul Ryde <ry...@clear.net.nz>,
Paul Sargison <psa...@xtra.co.nz>,
Paul Sheilds <pau...@voyager.co.nz>,
Paul Sinclair <pau...@ogilvy.co.nz>,
Paul Taylor
<pta...@codeworks.gen.nz>,
paul Walker
<eco...@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz>,
Paul White <p...@bpc.co.nz>, Paula Cheetham <pau...@clear.net.nz>,
Pauline Jacobs <nig...@ihug.co.nz>, peewee <pee...@ihug.co.nz>,
Pete & Caro de Rooy <pcde...@clear.net.nz>,
Pete Sinclair <pe...@ihug.co.nz>,
Peter & Maxine Henham
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Peter A Elder <pel...@chmeds.ac.nz>,
Peter and Angela Fullerton <a.p.fu...@clear.net.nz>,
Peter Arnold
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Peter Brown
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Peter Buckton <p.bu...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz>,
Peter Bull <ab...@xtra.co.nz>, Peter Clemerson <clem...@xtra.co.nz>,
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Peter Corrigan
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Peter Craven <cra...@xtra.co.nz>,
Peter Fowler <pe...@cybercorp.co.nz>,
Peter France
<peter....@trimble.co.nz>,
Peter Fraser
<peter....@treasury.govt.nz>,
Peter Giddens
<pet...@stpeters.hamilton.school.nz>,
Peter Godfrey
<pet...@netway.co.nz>,
Peter Graham <pe...@deltec.co.nz>,
Peter Gregory-Hunt <terra...@tpnet.co.nz>,
Peter Hall
<pe...@liro.fri.cri.nz>,
Peter Hanley <peter....@ibm.net>,
Peter Hilt
<p.h...@clear.net.nz>, Peter Holle <c...@escape.ca>,
Peter Hollier
<ho...@xtra.co.nz>, Peter Howard <pet...@clear.net.nz>,
Peter Hyam
<j&p.h...@xtra.co.nz>, Peter Jones <p...@ks.co.nz>,
Peter Kelly
<pke...@simplesolutions.co.nz>,
Peter Kelly
<peter...@national.org.nz>,
Peter Lawrence <pflaw...@xtra.co.nz>,
Peter Levin <ple...@wave.co.nz>,
Peter Lyness
<peter...@compuserve.com>,
Peter MacIntyre <peter.m...@usa.net>,
Peter Norish <peter....@clear.net.nz>,
Peter Olliver
<poll...@voyager.co.nz>, Peter Orr <pet...@ibm.net>,
Peter Rachtman
<rach...@iprolink.co.nz>,
Peter Rachtman <prac...@sopac.co.nz>,
Peter Riches <pe...@peaktechnology.co.nz>,
Peter Rumens
<rum...@chch.planet.org.nz>,
Peter Ryan <pry...@macquarie.com.au>,
Peter Scott <pe...@readyhire.co.nz>,
Peter Sibbald
<peter....@xtra.co.nz>,
Peter Stevens <bu...@ihug.co.nz>, Peter Stowell <bst...@ibm.net>,
Peter Trye <jtp...@ibm.net>, Peter Vickers <pete...@netsource.co.nz>,
Peter Watt
<pet...@optimation.co.nz>,
Peter Wills <wi...@santafe.edu>, pet...@ibm.net,
"Phe'lan Pirrie" <pir...@ihug.co.nz>, Phil
<ph...@hkm.co.nz>,
Phil Cook <phil...@hotmail.com>,
Phil Donnithorne
<ph...@maxwell.co.nz>,
Phil Murray <ktx...@xtra.co.nz>,
Phil Stace
<Phil_Stace%WES...@westpactrust.co.nz>,
Philip Martin
<ppma...@xtra.co.nz>,
Philip Stevens <p.st...@auckland.ac.nz>,
Philip Strang <cer...@clear.net.nz>,
Philip Sutton
<p.su...@clear.net.nz>,
Phillip Christey <pchr...@xtra.co.nz>,
Phillip Kershaw <pker...@clear.net.nz>,
Phillip Ross <pr...@inhb.co.nz>, Poojitha Preena <po...@gri.co.nz>,
PR Aitken <jim...@xtra.co.nz>,
Preyesh Master <p...@students.mngt.waikato.ac.nz>,
"Prof. Robert Doran"
<b...@cs.auckland.ac.nz>,
Professor Keith Jackson
<k.ja...@pols.canterbury.ac.nz>,
Quentin & Rebecca Randall
<bec.r...@xtra.co.nz>,
Quentin Davies
<QA...@student.canterbury.ac.nz>,
Quintin Ridgeway
<qui...@sans.vuw.ac.nz>,
R Caney <xtr12...@xtra.co.nz>,
R Chapman
<reych...@clear.net.nz>, R D Horne <di...@xtra.co.nz>,
R Hamilton
<st...@voyager.co.nz>,
R Neil Lambie <r.neil...@clear.net.nz>,
Rachael Trotter <rachael...@hotmail.com>,
Raek
<ra...@transpower.co.nz>, Ralph Jaeger <ral...@tegel.co.nz>,
Rattan Prakash <rpra...@ingr.com>, Ray Chung <ra...@njs.co.nz>,
Ray Chung
<chu...@clear.net.nz>, Ray Evans <rje...@wave.co.nz>,
Ray Goldfinch
<gold...@ihug.co.nz>,
Ray McKeown <rmck...@kpmg.co.nz>, RB Miller
<rbm...@ibm.net>,
Reid Watson <xtr12...@xtra.co.nz>,
Reinhard Pauls
<pau...@actrix.gen.nz>,
Rembrandt Kuipers <r...@rembrandt.gen.nz>,
Reverend Dick Holland <Rev.D...@xtra.co.nz>,
Rex Morrow
<10023...@compuserve.com>,
Rex Widerstrom <rex.wid...@xtra.co.nz>,
Rh & Gk Martis <r...@clear.net.nz>, Rhys McDonald <rhy...@es.co.nz>,
Richard & Suzanne Neale <xtr18...@xtra.co.nz>,
Richard Bryant
<wa...@inq.co.nz>,
Richard Coomber
<r.j.c...@openmail.tsf6.namass.simis.com>,
Richard Davison
<rdav...@clear.net.nz>,
Richard Elliott-Clulee
<elliott...@xtra.co.nz>,
Richard Elwin <rje...@ihug.co.nz>, Richard Foy <rich...@ibm.net>,
Richard Hadfield <ha...@iprolink.co.nz>,
Richard Jansen <rja...@wave.co.nz>,
Richard Johnson
<jt...@sol.otago.ac.nz>,
Richard MacDonald <virg...@pop2.clear.net.nz>,
Richard Monks <rmo...@actrix.gen.nz>,
Richard Osborne
<rjo%heh...@emxnz.co.nz>,
Richard Osborne <law...@hhlaw.co.nz>,
Richard Rimer <r...@clear.net.nz>,
Richard Taylor
<rta...@ketch.nelpoly.ac.nz>,
Richard Thomas
<richard...@mhs.parliament.govt.nz>,
Richard Williams
<richardj...@hotmail.com>,
Richard Wright
<richard...@clear.net.nz>,
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Chris Smyth <star...@clear.net.nz>,
Chris Taylor <cwta...@indo.net.id>,
Chris Triggs <tri...@stat.auckland.ac.nz>,
Chris Turner
<cj...@wcpnov.ird.govt.nz>,
Chris Woodruff <ch...@sps.co.nz>,
Christine Easton <dow...@xtra.co.nz>,
Christine Hyndman
<rgh...@globe.net.nz>,
Christine Negus <chr...@netaccess.co.nz>,
Christine Richardson <christine....@xtra.co.nz>,
Christopher Fairfield <fairf...@bmnz.co.nz>,
Christopher Hill
<ch...@beu.euro.ml.com>,
Christopher Johnson <rai...@beca.co.nz>,
Christopher Murray <christ...@xtra.co.nz>,
Claire Radomske
<claire....@vuw.ac.nz>,
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Cliff Bateman <Cli...@comtex.co.nz>, Cliff Bowden <cbo...@jmnz.co.nz>,
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Clint Heine <clint...@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>,
Clinton Isle
<is...@dynamite.co.nz>,
Colin Aldridge <cald...@commerce.otago.ac.nz>,
Colin Blair <cbl...@ootrc.govt.nz>, Colin Kay <c....@xtra.co.nz>,
Colin Osmond <cos...@ibm.net>, Colin Rickett <col...@ibm.net>,
Colin Roberts <crob...@macpro.co.nz>,
Colin Ryder <ryd...@xtra.co.nz>, Compton Tothill <co...@compt.pl.net>,
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<r...@xtra.co.nz>,
Craig Gibson <gi...@sinesurf.co.nz>,
Craig Milmine
<craig....@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>,
Craig Simpson <ma...@wave.co.nz>, Craig Simpson <cra...@wave.co.nz>,
Craig Stevenson
<craig.s...@stdc.govt.nz>,
Craig Young <cyo...@pst.co.nz>, D Graham
<dcgr...@voyager.co.nz>,
D Graham Reid <dgra...@profel.co.nz>,
D J Mortimer-King <d...@xtra.co.nz>,
D L Steven <xtr12...@xtra.co.nz>, D Osborne <osbo...@RBNZ.GOVT.NZ>,
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Damian Hendren <dam...@gallagher.co.nz>,
Damien Grant
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Damon Teagle <tea...@umich.edu>,
Dan Carter
<daniel...@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>,
Dan McCaffrey
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<dk...@ihug.co.nz>,
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Daniel Silva
<dan...@dsl.co.nz>, Danny Gelb <da...@whal.co.nz>,
Danny Roquska
<dan...@xtra.co.nz>,
Darren Evans <dm...@student.canterbury.ac.nz>,
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Darryl Carpenter
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Darryl Ward <tali...@litebox.co.nz>,
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Darryn Cooke
<darryn...@contact-energy.co.nz>,
Daryl Gardiner
<d.gar...@yfc.org.nz>,
Dave Batt <dave...@ihug.co.nz>,
Dave Harris
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David Harre <ha...@chch.planet.org.nz>,
David Hill
<davi...@suva.is.com.fj>,
David Hindley <hin...@consumer.org.nz>,
David Homewood <david.h...@ird.govt.nz>,
David Howden
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David Irons <dai...@clear.net.nz>,
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David Law
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David Tresidder
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David Weston
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David Wright <pha...@wave.co.nz>, Dean Blackwell <bpr...@xtra.co.nz>,
Dean Hill
<dean_hill%wes...@westpactrust.co.nz>,
Dean Larsen
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Dean Tunui
<dean...@xtra.co.nz>, Debbie May <ma...@RBNZ.GOVT.NZ>,
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Denis Bourke <bou...@topnz.ac.nz>,
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Dennis Barker <dba...@ihug.co.nz>,
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Dennis Moore
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Derek Quigley
<QUIG...@msmail.poli.govt.nz>,
Derek Vance <djv...@xtra.co.nz>,
Des Knowles <d.kn...@countrywide.co.nz>,
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<doeh...@taranaki.ac.nz>,
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<di...@lamb-construction.co.nz>,
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Don Gilling
<don.g...@clear.net.nz>,
Don Kinnell <do...@xtra.co.nz>, Don Mardle
<dma...@clear.net.nz>,
Don McKenzie <ds...@chch.planet.org.nz>,
Don McLennan <don...@netsource.co.nz>,
Don Parker
<don_p...@southcorp.com.au>,
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Don Smith <d&r.s...@xtra.co.nz>,
Don Wallace <don.w...@clear.net.nz>,
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Donald Kerr <donal...@clear.net.nz>,
Donald Whitefoord Sykes <big...@ibm.net>,
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<kenn...@xtra.co.nz>, Doug Death <dou...@ps.gen.nz>,
Doug Duncan
<westmin...@evangelical.com>,
Doug Foote <dbf...@voyager.co.nz>, Doug Reid <do...@haygroup.co.nz>,
Dougal McKechnie
<dougal.m...@mailexcite.com>,
Dougal Smith <se...@csa.co.nz>, Dr David Mantik <dwma...@aol.com>,
Dr Dennis Spackman
<dens...@iconz.co.nz>,
Dr Peter Snow <ps...@esi.co.nz>,
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Duncan Grant
<dgr...@voyager.co.nz>,
Duncan Ingram <10003...@compuserve.com>,
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EC Watson <e...@actrix.gen.nz>,
Ed Corkery
<edward....@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>,
Ed Harding
<ed.ha...@clear.net.nz>,
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El & Lyn Whyman
<lynel....@xtra.co.nz>,
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Elizabeth Hughes <eliza...@localgovtnz.co.nz>,
Elizabeth Miles
<mi...@actrix.gen.nz>,
Elliot Parry <drec....@xtra.co.nz>,
Emma Clegg
<tm...@matai.vuw.ac.nz>, Emma Hart <eh...@radionz.co.nz>,
Emma Wilkinson
<Emma.Wi...@parliament.govt.nz>,
Erena Fussell <fus...@clear.net.nz>,
Eric Pollock <epol...@iprolink.co.nz>,
Eric Stevens
<stev...@iprolink.co.nz>,
Eric V Good <tgt...@ihug.co.nz>, Erin Jurgeleit <er...@nzse.co.nz>,
Ernest Sutton <e...@voyager.co.nz>,
Errol Costello <cost...@lincoln.ac.nz>,
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Ewan Greig <e...@xtra.co.nz>,
Felicity Goodyear-Smith <f.goodye...@auckland.ac.nz>,
Fiona Miller
<fio...@ns.planet.gen.nz>,
Fiona Sheppard <shep...@levin.pl.net>, Fionn
<fi...@ibm.net>,
Floyd Wihongi <fwih...@ihug.co.nz>,
Fonda Gamble
<fo...@fonda.co.nz>, Fran Russ <fran...@ihug.co.nz>,
Francis Stuart
<akl...@eynz.co.nz>, Frank <fr...@tpnet.co.nz>,
Frank Kam
<smi...@pcnet.co.nz>, Frank Newman <new...@mail.org>,
Frank Saxton
<f.sa...@xtra.co.nz>,
Frank Stewart <fra...@crc.govt.nz>,
Frank van der Velden <fr...@webmasters.co.nz>,
Fraser Shepherd
<fraser....@bellgully.co.nz>,
Fred Lilley <fri...@ihug.co.nz>,
From Jane Roskruge <xtr21...@xtra.co.nz>,
G King <gk...@clear.co.nz>, Gail Powell <gail_...@moh.govt.nz>,
Garry and Sue Brown
<g.b...@clear.net.nz>,
Garsing Wong <j...@ihug.co.nz>, Gary
<ga...@hkm.co.nz>,
Gary Anderson <ga...@bosedealer.co.nz>,
Gary Bowering
<bowe...@actrix.gen.nz>,
Gary Clothier <ch....@clear.net.nz>,
Gary Sweeney <greyjh...@minidata.co.nz>,
Gavin Denby
<its-...@ihug.co.nz>,
Gavin Knight <knig...@xtra.co.nz>, Gavin Lister
<w...@isthmus.co.nz>,
Gavin Middleton <ga...@internetid.co.nz>,
Gaye Fletcher <fle...@avcol.school.nz>,
GB Wilding <gwil...@xtra.co.nz>, GC Townsley <cpi...@xtra.co.nz>,
Geof Shirtcliffe
<geof.shi...@chapmantripp.co.nz>,
Geoff Bourke
<gbo...@deepthought.netgate.co.nz>,
Geoff Cossey <gco...@vetavs.co.nz>, Geoff Hemm <bao...@xtra.co.nz>,
Geoff Kerr <ke...@kauri.lincoln.ac.nz>,
Geoff Olliff <geo...@fineline.co.nz>,
Geoff Sinclair
<Geoff.S...@treasury.govt.nz>,
Geoff Swien
<Geoff...@dtf.vic.gov.au>,
Geoff Torr <gst...@tesla.co.nz>,
Geoffrey Lloyd Petersen <gl...@voyager.co.nz>,
George Balani
<g.ba...@xtra.co.nz>,
George Lilo <g.l...@auckland.ac.nz>,
George Mathew <math...@xtra.co.nz>, George Swan <gh...@cam.ac.uk>,
George Swan <gh...@hermes.cam.ac.uk>,
George Thomson <rese...@xtra.co.nz>,
Gerald Hensley <ger...@bellsouth.cl>,
Gerard Bird <gb...@tonkin.co.nz>, Gerard Sanders <san...@ebrd.com>,
Gerry Brownlee
<gerry.br...@xtra.co.nz>,
Gerry Williams <ge...@pbex.co.nz>, GG Tub <g...@ks.co.nz>,
Gilbert van Reenen
<clean.gre...@clear.net.nz>,
Giles Peach <gpe...@globe.co.nz>, gim...@hotmail.com,
ginny ginny <gin...@xtra.co.nz>,
GL Prescott
<gorp...@clear.net.nz>,
Glen MaCabe <GD...@students.mngt.waikato.ac.nz>,
Glen Townshend <gtown...@tns.co.nz>,
Liz Fraser
<Liz.F...@parliament.govt.nz>,
Tomas Kriha
<Tomas...@parliament.govt.nz>,
Glenn Ashton <ash...@ibm.net>, Glenn Brown <gle...@iconz.co.nz>,
Glenn Seymour <gseymo...@xtra.co.nz>,
Glenn Stewart <gste...@xtra.co.nz>,
Glenn Tunley
<glenn....@xtra.co.nz>,
Glenys Moirrott <gle...@clear.net.nz>,
Gordon Leslie <gjjr...@es.co.nz>,
Gordon Paynter
<g...@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz>,
Graeme Barnard <gra...@clear.net.nz>,
Graeme Birchall <73540...@compuserve.com>,
Graeme Harvey
<sai...@xtra.co.nz>,
Graeme Henderson <he...@wave.co.nz>,
Graeme Mahoney
<ma...@wave.co.nz>,
Graham Aitken <lu...@voyager.co.nz>,
Graham Ashworth
<ashw...@tssc.co.nz>,
Graham Bolam
<graham....@openmail.bdp21.pdomus.simis.com>,
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<bd...@xtra.co.nz>,
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Grant Dunford
<dun...@negawatt.gen.nz>,
Grant E Thompson <pa...@clear.net.nz>,
Grant Irvine <g.ir...@clear.net.nz>,
Grant Maconaghie
<gran...@ihug.co.nz>,
Grant Morgen <socialis...@ak.planet.co.nz>,
"Grant O'Brien" <gob...@ihug.co.nz>,
Grant Pearson <pea...@clear.net.nz>,
Grant Sainsbury <grant.s...@nbnz.co.nz>,
Grant Thorburn
<gwt...@tesla.co.nz>,
Gray Baldwin <bal...@xtra.co.nz>, Greg Binton
<gr...@applog.co.nz>,
Greg Claridge <cecn...@clear.net.nz>,
Greg Collinge <greg.c...@gb.swissbank.com>,
Greg Driver
<greg....@opus.co.nz>,
Greg Edwards <new_...@hotmail.com>,
Greg Groufsky <greg.g...@hnz.co.nz>,
Greg Hogan <gjh...@ihug.co.nz>, Greg Horton <g...@rmmb.co.nz>,
Greg Lindsay <glin...@cis.org.au>, Greg Mace <ma...@hn.planet.gen.nz>,
Greg Mace <ht...@twp.ac.nz>, Greg Nikoloff <g...@geac.co.nz>,
Greg Walrus <wal...@welcom.gen.nz>, Gregor Brabyn <nz...@globe.co.nz>,
Gregory C Brown
<gregg...@xtra.co.nz>,
Greig Manson <manso...@xtra.co.nz>,
Griffith Williams
<Griffith_Williams%WESTPAC_FINANC...@westpactrust.co.nz>,
GS van der Walt <ger...@xtra.co.nz>,
Guy Roberts
<g.wilson...@auckland.ac.nz>,
H Wong <wo...@allenovery.com>,
Halfdan Hansen <hha...@gatwick.geoquest.slb.com>,
Hamish MacEwan
<mace...@armpit.dia.govt.nz>,
Hamish MacKay <wang...@craigco.co.nz>,
Hamish Nuttall <bus...@clear.net.nz>,
Hamish Price <mon...@globe.net.nz>,
Hamish Robertson <oca...@xtra.co.nz>,
Hamish Rose
<hamis...@nz.eds.com>,
Hamish Snowden <ht...@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz>,
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Harding Ashworth
<10024...@compuserve.com>,
Harry Orsman <harry....@vuw.ac.nz>,
Hayden Everett <hay...@oag.govt.nz>,
Hayden Wilson
<hayden...@xtra.co.nz>,
Heather Anderson <heat...@xtra.co.nz>,
Heather Henderson <Heather....@parliament.govt.nz>,
Heather Te Huia
<hte...@xtra.co.nz>,
Helen Ferner <hfe...@beca.co.nz>, Helen Hair
<sh...@ihug.co.nz>,
Helen Wylie <wyli...@directorate.wnp.ac.nz>,
Henk de Jong <fek...@ihug.co.nz>, Howard <how...@shapze.co.nz>,
Howard Battersby <howard_b...@xtra.co.nz>,
Hugh Cronwright
<hugh...@voyager.co.nz>,
Hugh Hanna <h_h...@transport.govt.nz>,
Hugh McParland <hmcpa...@csi.co.nz>,
Hugh Stevens
<hste...@outwardbound.co.nz>,
Ian & Fliss Butcher
<but...@earthlight.co.nz>,
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Ian & Rosemary Gordon <irgo...@voyager.co.nz>,
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<IDwa...@compuserve.com>,
Ian Andrews <ila...@ibm.net>, Ian Bailey
<ia...@keycorp.co.nz>,
Ian Boag <ian...@partslink.co.nz>,
Ian Carl Luhrs
<i...@students.mngt.waikato.ac.nz>,
Ian Condie <may...@clear.net.nz>, Ian Dunbar <nztr...@ibmmail.com>,
Ian Mitchel <ia...@ie3.co.nz>, Ian Sherwood <mta...@wave.co.nz>,
Ian Sinclair <si...@clear.net.nz>, Ian Smith <ttj...@xtra.co.nz>,
Ian Trousdell <iai...@xtra.co.nz>, Ian Way <ma...@rainbow.co.nz>,
Ivan & Penny Hyslop
<hyslop....@xtra.co.nz>,
Ivan Rowe <ro...@policy.maf.govt.nz>, Ivan Stevens <iva...@ihug.co.nz>,
j calveley <jcal...@ibm.net>, J Deb
<jd...@nzworley.co.nz>,
J Francis <james...@xtra.co.nz>, J H
<j...@icarus.ihug.co.nz>,
J Hesketh <jhes...@ihug.co.nz>,
J L Terblanche
<carte....@xtra.co.nz>,
J Maxton <j.ma...@auckland.ac.nz>, J Mercer
<jme...@toyota.co.nz>,
J Pike <pik...@nznet.gen.nz>,
J Robertshaw
<j.robe...@auckland.ac.nz>,
J Storrie <jsto...@ihug.co.nz>, J Willett <will...@acc.org.nz>,
Jack Carr <jack...@xtra.co.nz>, Jack Searle <ja...@lynx.co.nz>,
Jack Simpson <les.d...@clear.net.nz>,
Jack Stansfield <jack.st...@welcom.gen.nz>,
Jackie Blue
<bre...@ihug.co.nz>, Jackson <jac...@central.co.nz>,
Jacqui Powell
<jpo...@macquarie.com.au>,
Jahangir Kabir
<jahangi...@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>,
James Armour <j...@rws.co.nz>, James Boughey <exp...@iconz.co.nz>,
James Bremner <jbrem...@aol.com>,
James Britland <j...@mrlpo.ird.govt.nz>,
James Curran
<cur...@brooks.statgen.ncsu.edu>,
James Gellen <james....@vuw.ac.nz>,
James Hodge <mpp...@xtra.co.nz>,
James Jemson <helen...@clear.net.nz>,
James King <FMG...@fmg.co.nz>, James Knaggs <jas.k...@xtra.co.nz>,
James Moulder <a15...@anz.com>, James Owen <jim....@clear.net.nz>,
James Steele <james....@clear.net.nz>,
James Stonyer
<heather...@ait.ac.nz>,
James Treadwell
<James.T...@Rayonier.com>,
Jamie McGuiness <tr...@clear.net.nz>, Jan Cawte <en...@xtra.co.nz>,
Jan Gollogly <roy...@ihug.co.nz>, Jane Allison <alli...@iconz.co.nz>,
Jane Brydon <jj...@telecom.co.nz>,
Jane Ellis <j.e...@morganbanks.com.au>,
Jane Furkert
<jfur...@clear.net.nz>,
Jane Harding <j.ha...@auckland.ac.nz>,
Jane McCann <ja...@mccannlane.co.nz>, Jane Needham <nee...@topnz.ac.nz>,
Jane Roskruge <rosk...@wlg-airport.co.nz>,
Jane Scheib
<out...@xtra.co.nz>, Jane Tronson <tron...@emco.co.nz>,
Jane Troon
<ja...@marlexpress.co.nz>,
Janne & Joe Fraser <Jann...@xtra.co.nz>,
Jay Mather <as...@ihug.co.nz>, Jayne Gale <ga...@moc.govt.nz>,
Jayne Gale
<dajo...@xtra.co.nz>,
Jaysin McDougall <jay...@vetavs.co.nz>, je...@actrix.gen.nz,
Jenny Ferguson <Jenny.F...@parliament.govt.nz>,
Jenny Gunn <pl...@cybernet.co.nz>, Jenny Jo <jenn...@xtra.co.nz>,
Jeremy Eggleton <srm...@ihug.co.nz>, Jeremy Peterson <j...@iconz.co.nz>,
Jeremy Westenra <jwes...@jetsave.co.nz>,
Jill Dunwoodie
<jil...@es.co.nz>,
Jim & Natalie Crook <jim...@es.co.nz>, Jim Benson
<j...@ncs.co.nz>,
Jim Bryant <jbr...@voyager.co.nz>,
Jim Greenhough
<xtr13...@xtra.co.nz>,
Jim Judson <ji...@ahsl.co.nz>, Jim Nealis
<jim...@ihug.co.nz>,
Jim Sherlock <j...@lifebrokers.co.nz>, Jit Lim
<jit...@nz.eds.com>,
JL Crawford <jcra...@voyager.co.nz>,
JLN
<jl...@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz>, JM Stevenson <CP...@xtra.co.nz>,
Jo
<j...@earthling.net>, Jo Frahm <j...@work.net.nz>,
Jo Stewart
<Jo.St...@bankerstrust.co.nz>,
Joanna Thomas
<jo_t...@rocketmail.com>,
Jocelyn Amon <fin...@iconz.co.nz>, Joginder
<na...@wave.co.nz>,
John & Lorna Van Der Lijn <jolo-...@xtra.co.nz>,
John & Maxine Eide <j.m...@xtra.co.nz>,
John Benson-Cooper
<jbc...@ihug.co.nz>,
John Boscawen <bosc...@ihug.co.nz>,
John Bougen
<retail...@compuserve.com>,
John Carter <john....@pnz.co.nz>,
John Christiansen <j...@clear.net.nz>, John Commins <jo...@e-media.co.nz>,
John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz>, John Darroch <ta...@darroch.co.nz>,
John Dobson <john....@usa.net>, John Erwin <r...@auckland.ac.nz>,
John Fenwick <fe...@xtra.co.nz>, John Freebairn <wha...@xtra.co.nz>,
John Frew <jo...@southnet.co.nz>,
John Glaister
<john.g...@itoman.co.nz>,
John Goodwin <j...@xtra.co.nz>,
John Goulter <jgo...@chch.planet.org.nz>,
John Grigor
<wme...@wnhealth.co.nz>,
John Horton <JohnH...@xtra.co.nz>,
John J Jenkins <jay...@clear.net.nz>,
John Jamie
<John....@treasury.govt.nz>,
John Kelly <jke...@es.co.nz>, John King
<jk...@beca.co.nz>,
John Laurent <careerst...@xtra.co.nz>,
John Lawson <J...@access.q8petroleum.com.kw>,
John Lithgow
<john...@whanganui.ac.nz>,
John Manshande <jmans...@xtra.co.nz>,
John McDavitt <jm...@clear.net.nz>, John McDermott <mcd...@topnz.ac.nz>,
John Mee <jm...@ns.net>, John Mendzela <mend...@mendhurst.co.nz>,
John Morrison <cas...@xtra.co.nz>, John Murphy <jmu...@xtra.co.nz>,
John Nelson <nel...@es.co.nz>, John Ormond <j...@xtra.co.nz>,
John Peters
<jpe...@chch.planet.org.nz>,
John Rainey <j...@clear.net.nz>, John Ramsay <j.ra...@clear.net.nz>,
John Rendle & Mark Bettin
<jre...@xtra.co.nz>,
John Reuhman <reu...@nzij.co.nz>,
John Schrider
<fo...@netlink.co.nz>, John Tang <john...@ihug.co.nz>,
John Tattersall
<jo...@qed.co.nz>, John Third <jo...@guinnessg.co.nz>,
John Thompson
<euc...@ihug.co.nz>,
John Tovey <jo...@raumati.wn.planet.gen.nz>,
John Wekking <j...@xtra.co.nz>, John Wilkinson <jo...@chhlth.govt.nz>,
John Woods <jrw...@es.co.nz>, Johnny <ja...@ihug.co.nz>,
Jon Purdue
<jo...@es.co.nz>, Jon Ramage <jon.r...@colenso.co.nz>,
Jonathan Mosen
<jmo...@rnzfb.org.nz>,
Jonny Waghorn <jwag...@tssc.co.nz>, Jonothan Peacey <j...@seabed.co.nz>,
Judith Baragwanath
<car...@voyager.co.nz>,
Judith Larsen <jud...@iprolink.co.nz>,
Julia Hawthorn <julia.h...@alcatel.co.nz>,
Julian Long
<jlan...@dircon.co.uk>,
Julian Williams <jul...@glazier.co.nz>,
Julie Chambers <cham...@cybernet.co.nz>,
Julie Fairey
<j.fa...@auckland.ac.nz>,
Julie Wells <jwe...@es.co.nz>,
Juliet McKee
<jmc...@compkarori.co.nz>,
Julius Wendt <jul...@pritchard.co.nz>,
Juntung Wu <jun...@juntung.com>, Justin Kerr <jk...@actrix.gen.nz>,
Justin von Tunzelman <jvt%sg...@emxnz.co.nz>,
Justine Kirby
<justin...@chapmantripp.co.nz>,
"Jym O'Neill"
<jym.o...@contact-energy.co.nz>,
K Allan <All...@allenovery.com>, K Roche <kro...@westpac.com.au>,
Kane Glass <is...@ihug.co.nz>, Karel Polman <ka...@infoshelf.com>,
Kate Robinson
<Kate.R...@ecnz.co.nz>,
Kath Bell <kath...@ComputerLand.co.nz>,
Katharine Sillars <ksil...@voyager.co.nz>,
Kathleen Ryan
<bmc...@wave.co.nz>,
Kathryn Dick <ka...@deepsouth.co.nz>,
Kathryn Parsons <kpar...@waikato.ac.nz>, Kathy <ka...@morst.govt.nz>,
KC Foong <kcf...@ihug.co.nz>, Keith Begg <keith...@nzmc.org.nz>,
Keith Currie <krcu...@voyager.co.nz>,
Keith Hancox
<hke...@central.co.nz>,
Kelburn Donkey Club <ska...@ihug.co.nz>,
Kelly Parker <kel...@directories.co.nz>,
Kelvin Phillip Schick
<kp...@students.mngt.waikato.ac.nz>,
Ken Holmes <k...@response.co.nz>, Ken McCarthy <ken.mc...@vuw.ac.nz>,
Ken Methven <kmet...@nz.eds.com>,
Ken Methven <ken.m...@nz.eds.com>,
Ken Ward
<k...@global.kp.planet.gen.nz>,
Kenneth Mortimer <m...@netlink.co.nz>,
Kerrie Anderson <and...@moc.govt.nz>, Kerry Rice <ker...@ihug.co.nz>,
Kerry Squire <ksq...@voyager.co.nz>, Kevin <ke...@hkm.co.nz>,
Kevin Dittmer <k.dittme...@xtra.co.nz>,
Kevin Gilligan
David McLoughlin
David McLoughlin wrote:
> Act send me so many
> faxes I have to keep my fax turned off. If I turn it on for a moment, a
> fax from ACT starts cominmg through. I have asked several times for them
> to stop faxing me things and send them email instead, and all that
> happened was I got an email Goss as well as faxed ones.
>
J. H. C.!!!!!!!!!
I accidentally left my fax on for 30 minutes while upstairs cooking
dinner (smoked fish pie with home-grown corgettes tonight) and FOUR faxes
from Act came through.
What do I do to get them to stop this taxpayer-funded fax attack? I think
I'll complain to the auditor-general...
...
... Oh, I see he is out of jail now. He's probably an Act supporter. I'll
have to find someone else...
<g>
Patrick Dunford
Whereas Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> verily didst write
on 17 Dec 1997 04:41:00 GMT...
<snipped list>
Well I say
1. Why do we as taxpayers have to pay to fund this sort of drivel
2. If you want to read gossip go and buy the Women's Weekly
3. Act keep ringing me up every so often and pushing this thing as iff
it were something to be proud. I think it is just gutter press.
---
Patrick Dunford, Christchurch, NZ
Email Name:pdunford
Email Domain:xtra.co.nz
Reader: Forté FreeAgent 1.11/32
Internet:http://www.caverock.net.nz/~pdunford
David Farrar
Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
<snip long list of name>
One of your users, jcr...@voyager.co.nz has just posted a list of
around 1,000 e-mail address to nz.politics. A newsletter called the
"GOSS" is sent out by request to these people every week. By accident
the list of names was put in the To, not the BCC field and hence all
those on the list received a copy of the full list.
Apart from any privacy concerns (which are substantial), what most
concerns me is that by posting this list of names to a public news
group Mr Cresar has exposed over 1,000 people to the risk of
unsolicited commercial e-mail (spam) as spammers regularly use bots to
scan groups for e-mail addresses. I suspect there are going to be a
lot of very angry people if they start getting spammed due to Mr
Cresar's actions.
Mr Cresar has also posted his intention to publish his own newsletter
and send it to these 1,000+ e-mail addresses. In my mind this will be
spamming on a major scale as his e-mails will be un-solicited by all
those who receive them.
Please take whatever action you deem appropriate in dealing with this
matter. Please also advise to which e-mail address people should
complain if they start getting (often pornographic) spam in their
inbox due to your users actions.
Thank you,
DPF
(posted and mailed)
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Tim Hume
In article <677l4s$ftr$2...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>, Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> writes:
<snip the Goss mailing list>
I support you posting this list. Don't let threats of legal action from ACT
silence you.
Tim Hume
Tim Hume
> Apart from any privacy concerns (which are substantial), what most
> concerns me is that by posting this list of names to a public news
> group Mr Cresar has exposed over 1,000 people to the risk of
> unsolicited commercial e-mail (spam) as spammers regularly use bots to
> scan groups for e-mail addresses. I suspect there are going to be a
> lot of very angry people if they start getting spammed due to Mr
> Cresar's actions.
I sympathise with people getting spammed (I must recieve half a dozen junk emails
every day), however I still support the person who posted the mailing list.
I think you are using this spamming argument to try and prevent someone from
making a political statement.
Tim Hume
Bruce Simpson
On 17 Dec 1997 19:22:17 GMT, hu...@rses.vuw.ac.nz (Tim Hume) wrote:
>I sympathise with people getting spammed (I must recieve half a dozen junk emails
>every day), however I still support the person who posted the mailing list.
>I think you are using this spamming argument to try and prevent someone from
>making a political statement.
So you'd be on the side of a person who might have accidentally
received a confidential mailing list of yours (through error) if they
then reposted that mailing list to a public forum such as a newsgroup?
What about the fact that the email addresses on that list are now
probably going to appear on every junk-email list extracted from
newsgroups by all this "Free Email" software that's floating around?
I expect that a good many of the people on the list don't use usenet
and/or have gone to significant effort to ensure that they don't
appear on junk-mail lists - that effort's all shot to hell now isn't
it?
Richard John Creser
Dear Postmaster, David Farrar has complained that I have posted a mailing
list, of which I am included in on nz.politics. Mr Farrar, as editor of
the National Party Newsletter is obviously concerned that I will
distribute material that proves that several Cabinet Ministers have
deliberately misled Parliament in respect of Parliamentary Question
10848. Because I have unsucessfully sought to have this matter raised in
the House, Mr Farrar is attempting to prevent me from doing so in this
forum. I have no intention of, nor have I ever spammed anyone. I will be
publishing a newsletter called the "Goose"next week and will be
requesting that anyone receiving that newsletter may advise me if they
are not interested.
Mr Farrar's objections are obviously politically motivated and should be
ignored.
Thanks JC
Richard John Creser
Thanks Tim,
The latest objector was David Farrar, the editor of National Newstalk who
has written to the postmaster at voyager to complain. He is no doubt
aware of several embarrasing issues involving Ministers of the Crown that
I will be publicising next week.
JC
Richard John Creser
Hello Dave,
I have evidence that unequivocally proves the Minister of Police has
deliberately misled Parliament in respect of his reply to Parliamentary
Question 10848. I will be forwarding details of this issue to all those
on the goss list, and copies of correspondence with several ACT MP's who
initially promised to assist. This is a serious issue and I am not an
advocate of spamming, nor will I send material to people who request
deletion from the list.
JC
David McLoughlin
Tim Hume wrote:
>
> I sympathise with people getting spammed (I must recieve half a dozen junk emails
> every day), however I still support the person who posted the mailing list.
> I think you are using this spamming argument to try and prevent someone from
> making a political statement.
What is the political statement being made by the nutcase who posted
this, Tim?
I see you're not on the list. You don't know what you're missing out on.
Adam P. R. Taylor
David McLoughlin wrote:
>
> I accidentally left my fax on for 30 minutes while upstairs cooking
> dinner (smoked fish pie with home-grown corgettes tonight) and FOUR faxes
> from Act came through.
>
> What do I do to get them to stop this taxpayer-funded fax attack? I think
> I'll complain to the auditor-general...
Assuming one already has a PC and modem, (being
the most commom form of net access,) I suggest
one of the many PC based fax programs configured
to repeatidly fax them back the same fax (if you
have access to a scanner,), with a request to
remove you from the list.
Assuming local calls, under the residential plan
this will not cost you a cent.
This will tie up their fax on several fronts, with
paper wastage, and frustration of the user.
If they have tried something smart like setting the
fax to not recieve calls, the incoming call will
still prevent their fax from origionating a fax.
There are ways that the above can be dodged, but I
am not going to go into them here, for obvious
reasons.
(But the dogde/s can be dodged!!)
Good luck
--
----------------------------------------------------
Adam P. R. Taylor
Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering
University of Canterbury
Private Bag 4800
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND
Email: apt18@elec._DIE_SPAMMER_DIE_.canterbury.ac.nz
Tim Hume
In article <34984F27.6FF0@-DROP-iprolink.co.nz>, David McLoughlin <davemcl@-DROP-iprolink.co.nz> writes:
> > I think you are using this spamming argument to try and prevent someone from
> > making a political statement.
>
> What is the political statement being made by the nutcase who posted
> this, Tim?
It is quite clear the person who posted the list is opposed to ACT. He presumably
thinks that this political mailing list should be open to public scrutiny.
I was interested to see some of the names on the list (I searched for emails
ending with @parliament.govt.nz for example).
> I see you're not on the list. You don't know what you're missing out on.
Please don't add my name to the list. I get enough junk mail as it is :)
Tim Hume
Tim Hume
In article <FE36C2DD3F422E63.F0D249DE...@library-proxy.airnews.net>, nojun...@faxmail.co.nz (Bruce Simpson) writes:
> So you'd be on the side of a person who might have accidentally
> received a confidential mailing list of yours (through error) if they
> then reposted that mailing list to a public forum such as a newsgroup?
I might be a bit pissed off, but it would have been my mistake to let such
a list get out into the public in the first place. The internet is not known
for being a highly secure place, therefore people who use it have to accept there
are risks involved when sending confidential information.
> What about the fact that the email addresses on that list are now
> probably going to appear on every junk-email list extracted from
> newsgroups by all this "Free Email" software that's floating around?
> I expect that a good many of the people on the list don't use usenet
> and/or have gone to significant effort to ensure that they don't
> appear on junk-mail lists - that effort's all shot to hell now isn't
> it?
I do sympathise with people getting junk email, however I don't think this
should be an excuse to prevent Mr Creser from making what he considers to be
a valid political statement.
Tim Hume
Bruce Simpson
On 18 Dec 1997 01:05:23 GMT, hu...@rses.vuw.ac.nz (Tim Hume) wrote:
>In article <FE36C2DD3F422E63.F0D249DE...@library-proxy.airnews.net>, nojun...@faxmail.co.nz (Bruce Simpson) writes:
>
>> So you'd be on the side of a person who might have accidentally
>> received a confidential mailing list of yours (through error) if they
>> then reposted that mailing list to a public forum such as a newsgroup?
>
>I might be a bit pissed off, but it would have been my mistake to let such
>a list get out into the public in the first place. The internet is not known
>for being a highly secure place, therefore people who use it have to accept there
>are risks involved when sending confidential information.
But who are going to be more embarassed or potentially damaged by the
publication of the list, ACT or those on it? Why do you condone the
damage to the innocent list subscribers who now find themselves
potentially embarassed or the victims of email spam. Maybe ACT
deserves some sanctioning for making the error but the people on the
list are innocent so I don't think it's reasonable to support the
publishing of the list just so that someone can get their 15 minutes
of fame.
>I do sympathise with people getting junk email, however I don't think this
>should be an excuse to prevent Mr Creser from making what he considers to be
>a valid political statement.
But what constitutes "a valid political statement". What if this was
the "Boy Love" (or whatever they're called) paedophile group wanting
to make a "valid political statement" about the legalisation of child
pornography. They might feel that their statement is equally as valid
as Mr Creser believes his to be - would that make it alright for them
to also publish the list and/or send their own newsletter to those on
it?
More importantly - how much crednce do you give the claims of someone
who would engage in such "low" tactics as to republish other people's
property and potentially inconvenience 1400 Net users by opening their
email addresses to buckets of spam forever more?
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Bruce Simpson
On 17 Dec 1997 22:59:21 GMT, Richard John Creser
<jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
Perhaps David's actions have a degree of political motivation - but as
someone who has no axe to grind with ACT, National or whatever
(they're all just as bad as each other ;-) I also find your actions to
be unreasonable.
I'm waiting for legal opinion but I believe that a compilation (such
as the mailing list you published) is covered by copyright - in the
same way as the White and Yellow pages of the phone book are. I
suspect that you changed nothing before publishing the list and
therefore you may well be guilty of breaching ACT's intellectual
property rights - thus leaving you exposed to prosecution under the
copyright act.
I spoke with the Privacy Commission today and gleaned some interesting
facts from them as well. If anyone who feels that they have suffered
losses (fiscal or otherwise) as a result of this unauthorised
publication wants to, they are free to lodge a complaint with the
Privacy Commission and I suspect that on the weight of evidence seen
to date, there would be good cause for action.
Some complainants may assert that your actions have made it necessary
for them to change their email addresses - something which is very
expensive when you consider the time and cost of contacting
correspondents and udpating business cards and stationery. There is
every reason to believe that these costs could be recovered by civil
action - imagine that cost times even just two or three hundred
complaints!
For those interested, I'm following this story and publishing the
facts as they come to hand (including the perspectives of some of the
various parties involved (ACT, Voyager, etc) in Aardvark.
David McLoughlin
Tim Hume wrote:
>
> It is quite clear the person who posted the list is opposed to ACT. He presumably
> thinks that this political mailing list should be open to public scrutiny.
> I was interested to see some of the names on the list (I searched for emails
> ending with @parliament.govt.nz for example).
Tim, the person who posted the list is a disturbed individual who has a
serious grudge against Tau Henare, who has paint-bombed Parliament and a
police station, who has bombarded MPs with deranged faxes and was, I
understand, on his last-chance-to-keep-the-peace with the phone company
lest his line be disconnected for his abuse of it.
Please don't use your antipathy to Act to support the outrageous work of
a disturbed, quite sad individual.
Many of the people on the Act mailing list, including myself, just get
the Goss because we are nosy and it has some of Parliament's most
accurate gossip. It doesn't make us Act supporters. Act will send the
Goss to anyone who asks for it.
For many years, I subscribed to the League of Rights' newsletter, because
I oppose that organisation, not because I support it. At one stage I
obtained the LoR mailing list. There were many interesting names on that
list, but I did not make any use of the list for the simple reason that
the fact you receive a certain publication does not make you a supporter
of the cause.
I subscribe to or read many magazines eg, including Mean Times
(Unemployed Workers Rights) NZ Political Review (Chris Trotter's
excellent mag), the Listener (the Alliance house journal), Straight
Talking (Owen McShane's, when it comes out) and that Libertarianz one of
Lindsay Perigo. It doesn't mean I support their causes. I enjoy a range
of cranky viewpoints, especially those which challenge my own.
Richard John Creser
Hello David,
You are entitled to your viewpoint that the actions I have taken are
those of a deranged individual, but when faced with the overwhelming
power and incompetance of the state..what choice does an individual have
to put his case. All the protests I have been associated with are
non-violent and colourful.
I bear no grudge against Mr Henare but my angst is focused on those who
have let him get away with perverting the justice system. I will be
pursuing conventional legal means to seek redress next year..so watch
this space.
Merry Xmas JC
Richard John Creser
George Orwell
Richard John Creser
Dave,
please get your facts right...the paint bombing took place at the Police
Complaints Authority and I have been prevented from sending facimile
transmissions to 7 MP's...so what... methinks you are far to precious..
LIBERTY is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear...
George Orwell
Richard John Creser
I understand you will be publishing an account of this issue in the near
future. I welcome fair comment but I will not tolerate being described as
a lunatic. I do not have the resources of Selwyn Cushing to pursue the
never-ending lawsuit, therefore I am forced to be creative.
If you wish to print my side of the story you could include the material
attached.
THANKS JC
Geoff Fischer
Richard John Creser wrote:
>
> Dear Postmaster, David Farrar has complained that I have posted a mailing
> list, of which I am included in on nz.politics. Mr Farrar, as editor of
> the National Party Newsletter is obviously concerned that I will
> distribute material that proves that several Cabinet Ministers have
> deliberately misled Parliament in respect of Parliamentary Question
> 10848. Because I have unsucessfully sought to have this matter raised in
> the House, Mr Farrar is attempting to prevent me from doing so in this
> forum. I have no intention of, nor have I ever spammed anyone. I will be
> publishing a newsletter called the "Goose"next week and will be
> requesting that anyone receiving that newsletter may advise me if they
> are not interested.
> Mr Farrar's objections are obviously politically motivated and should be
> ignored.
I'm afraid this is David Farrar's modus operandi John.
He is the sweet voice of reason, until those of his own political
persuasion come under strong criticism - at which time he finds
all manner of "arguments" to justify silencing the opposition.
As I have said before, David Farrar is simply a paid government
propagandist, whose personal integrity is on a par with those he serves.
Cliff Pratt
Richard John Creser wrote
>
>The latest objector was David Farrar, the editor of National Newstalk who
>has written to the postmaster at voyager to complain.
>
> He is no doubt aware of several embarrasing issues involving Ministers
> of the Crown that I will be publicising next week.
>
Ho hum, not again. Save the world while you are at it, why don't you.
Cliff
Geoff Fischer
David Farrar wrote:
>
> One of your users, jcr...@voyager.co.nz has just posted a list of
> around 1,000 e-mail address to nz.politics. A newsletter called the
> "GOSS" is sent out by request to these people every week. By accident
> the list of names was put in the To, not the BCC field and hence all
> those on the list received a copy of the full list.
>
> concerns me is that by posting this list of names to a public news
> group Mr Cresar has exposed over 1,000 people to the risk of
> unsolicited commercial e-mail (spam) as spammers regularly use bots to
> scan groups for e-mail addresses. I suspect there are going to be a
> lot of very angry people if they start getting spammed due to Mr
> Cresar's actions.
>
> and send it to these 1,000+ e-mail addresses. In my mind this will be
> spamming on a major scale as his e-mails will be un-solicited by all
> those who receive them.
>
> Please take whatever action you deem appropriate in dealing with this
> matter. Please also advise to which e-mail address people should
> complain if they start getting (often pornographic) spam in their
> inbox due to your users actions.
This is a transparent attempt at political intimidation.
It is ridiculous for David Farrar to suggest that John Creser is
shaking the foundations of society by publishing a mailing list
which had already gone to over 1000 fax sites around the country.
And that to imply that Mr Creser's actions will somehow result in
a wave of pornographic material sweeping the land ...
Completely over the top David. One suspects that the real
reason for your hostility towards Mr Creser is that he holds,
and has published, information exposing the corrupt character
of the administration which you are paid to serve..
Geoff Fischer
David McLoughlin wrote:
> Tim, the person who posted the list is a disturbed individual who has a
> serious grudge against Tau Henare, who has paint-bombed Parliament and a
> police station, who has bombarded MPs with deranged faxes and was, I
> understand, on his last-chance-to-keep-the-peace with the phone company
> lest his line be disconnected for his abuse of it.
Serious grudge against Tau Henare? So have a lot of people, and with
good reason.
Paint-bombed Parliament? What? The Holy of Holys?
Bombarded MP's with deranged faxes? What? Isn't it their job to
bombard us with deranged PRs? Do we have some sort of role confusion
going on here?
Last chance with the "telephone company"? Oh dear. I had a little
problem with "the telephone" company too. They worked together with
the NZ Police to bring a false charge of "misuse of a telephone" against
me. Didn't make a very good job of it though, and the case fell
apart in the High Court. If you want to get some clear evidence of
blatant perjury, get hold of the court transcript... But I digress.
Tau Henare, Parliament, MPs, "the phone company", all have a problem
with Mr Creser? Well maybe he's not such a bad sort of a guy after
all.
David Farrar
nojun...@faxmail.co.nz (Bruce Simpson) wrote:
>On 17 Dec 1997 22:59:21 GMT, Richard John Creser
><jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
>>Dear Postmaster, David Farrar has complained that I have posted a mailing
>>list, of which I am included in on nz.politics. Mr Farrar, as editor of
>>the National Party Newsletter
Correct - or at least used to be - I'm trying to find a replacement -
any volunteers?
>is obviously concerned that I will
>>distribute material that proves that several Cabinet Ministers have
>>deliberately misled Parliament in respect of Parliamentary Question
>>10848. Because I have unsucessfully sought to have this matter raised in
>>the House, Mr Farrar is attempting to prevent me from doing so in this
>>forum.
No, it really is unrelated. I am against spam and would have done the
same thing even if it was the mailing list of the Beekeepers Assn that
had fallen into the hands of the Wasps Society.
I have made many (hundreds) of posts in appropriate groups against
spamming and off hand have been responsible for over 100 people losing
their accounts for it. None of these were political - it is all to do
with proper use of the Internet.
I have no intention of, nor have I ever spammed anyone. I will be
>>publishing a newsletter called the "Goose"next week and will be
>>requesting that anyone receiving that newsletter may advise me if they
>>are not interested.
Sending bulk e-mail to people who have not requested it is exactly the
definition of spamming. By all means set up your own newsletter, but
only send it to people who have specifically asked for it.
>>Mr Farrar's objections are obviously politically motivated and should be
>>ignored.
Look, you can publish what you want, but it is how you do it that
counts. Why not put it up on a web page? I'll even point you in teh
right direction of hwo to get a free one.
You can even post it (as you already do) to appropriate Usenet groups,
you can e-mail it to anyone who requests it.
But what you should not do is e-mail it to people who have not
requested it. If you really do not know why this is a bad thing then
I can point you in the direction of some material on this. The fact
that every (possibly bar one) ISP in NZ bans unsolicited bulk e-mail
should be a clue that it is unacceptable.
>Perhaps David's actions have a degree of political motivation - but as
>someone who has no axe to grind with ACT, National or whatever
>(they're all just as bad as each other ;-) I also find your actions to
>be unreasonable.
No they really do not. I just think it was incredibly bad thing to
expose 1100 people to the possibility of getting (often pronographic)
junk spammed e-mails by posting the list here. Remember some of these
people will not even know about Usenet or even have web access and
will be confused as heel when "Horny Debbie" starts sending them
e-mail every second day.
>For those interested, I'm following this story and publishing the
>facts as they come to hand (including the perspectives of some of the
>various parties involved (ACT, Voyager, etc) in Aardvark.
I look forward to the story.
DPF
Scooter
On 16 Dec 1997 18:23:06 GMT, Richard John Creser
<jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
>The mailing list was sent by mistake. I have been in touch with Act and
>they have advised me that I will face legal action if I use the list.
You will also face action from a lot more people for putting the
message up with the addresses for the spam artists to collect the
addresses from.
Are you malicious or just ignorant?
>However I am going to publish my own newsletter...THE GOOSE.. and use
>their list now that it has entered the public domain.
You will probably find yourself eating the rag if you are foolish
enough to put it on paper.
>Thanx JC
Yuletide Felicitations to you all!
Scooter
Scooter
>Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
>
><snip long list of name>
>
>Dear Postm...@Voyager.co.nz
>
>One of your users, jcr...@voyager.co.nz has just posted a list of
>around 1,000 e-mail address to nz.politics. A newsletter called the
>"GOSS" is sent out by request to these people every week. By accident
>the list of names was put in the To, not the BCC field and hence all
>those on the list received a copy of the full list.
>
>Apart from any privacy concerns
This is pretty damn rich coming from you as you seem determined
to destroy the privacy of an individual you have been picking on.
I have made a complaint ot postm...@parliament.govt.nz about
you using a work account to post a message about Mr. Dowle.
I hope you see the irony and hypocrisy in posting such a
complaint to voyager when you do the same thing yourself.
Patrick Dunford
Whereas David McLoughlin <davemcl@-DROP-iprolink.co.nz> verily didst
write on Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:26:19 +1200...
] Tim, the person who posted the list is a disturbed individual who has a
] serious grudge against Tau Henare, who has paint-bombed Parliament and a
] police station, who has bombarded MPs with deranged faxes and was, I
] understand, on his last-chance-to-keep-the-peace with the phone company
] lest his line be disconnected for his abuse of it.
Well, it should be easy to get his ISP to cancel his account then?
] I subscribe to or read many magazines eg, including Mean Times
] (Unemployed Workers Rights)
Declaration? have you seen that anarchist rag (put out by the
Unemployed & beneficiaries Movement) - I find it quite interesting for
all its ranting.
---
Patrick Dunford, Christchurch, NZ
Email Name:pdunford
Email Domain:xtra.co.nz
Reader: Forté FreeAgent 1.11/32
Internet:http://www.caverock.net.nz/~pdunford
Patrick Dunford
Whereas hu...@rses.vuw.ac.nz (Tim Hume) verily didst write on 18 Dec
1997 01:05:23 GMT...
] I do sympathise with people getting junk email, however I don't think this
] should be an excuse to prevent Mr Creser from making what he considers to be
] a valid political statement.
Which particular side of the political fence does Mr Creser happen to
be on I wonder? The Left? The revolutionaries' side?
Patrick Dunford
Whereas hu...@rses.vuw.ac.nz (Tim Hume) verily didst write on 17 Dec
1997 19:15:45 GMT...
] I support you posting this list. Don't let threats of legal action from ACT
] silence you.
If the revolutionaries were the ones being harrassed by Mr Creser I
wonder would they support such a line being taken?
Patrick Dunford
Whereas Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> verily didst write
on 17 Dec 1997 23:04:08 GMT...
] Thanks Tim,
]
] The latest objector was David Farrar, the editor of National Newstalk who
] has written to the postmaster at voyager to complain. He is no doubt
] aware of several embarrasing issues involving Ministers of the Crown that
] I will be publicising next week.
Well I am quite happy to join him, and for that matter I am not a
member of the National Party and would have no opposition to someone
using a legal and ethical means of making their point, but not by
spamming with a list that happened to fall into their hands.
Patrick Dunford
Whereas sco...@taranaki.ac.nz (Scooter) verily didst write on Thu, 18
Dec 1997 11:30:03 GMT...
] I take it that this line indicates you are posting this under the
] aegis of parliament?
] Are your employers aware of your campaigns against me during work
] hours and using the taxpayers reources?
] > Scooter <g...@cygnus.taranaki.ac.nz>,
Ah. So the above mentioned person is our dear old Scooter residing
under (by coincidence) the same initials as someone called G*** D****
?
Patrick Dunford
Whereas Geoff Fischer <fis...@banned.ac.nz> verily didst write on
Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:07:36 +1200...
] Tau Henare, Parliament, MPs, "the phone company", all have a problem
] with Mr Creser? Well maybe he's not such a bad sort of a guy after
] all.
Why is I ask myself that the people that write in this fashion are
such a small percentage of the NZ population? Rent-a-radical week, is
it?
Lin Nah
In nz.general Scooter <sco...@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
| I take it that this line indicates you are posting this under the
| aegis of parliament?
| Are your employers aware of your campaigns against me during work
| hours and using the taxpayers reources?
How would you know that he is posting during work hours?
How do you know what his work hours are?
Perhaps he was posting during work hours. However if he gets his work
done I am sure his employer won't mind if he occasionally takes a short
break.
Perhaps he was posting during work hours. Would you know if he perhaps
worked a bit longer that day(or the day before or the next day) to make
up for it?
| Consider them informed.
I hope someone informs them about you too
Lin
Richard John Creser
David McLouglin has posted a notice claiming that a sad an deranged
individual (me) has been responsible for screeds of nonsensical drivel
being faxed to Parliamentarians. I would welcome anyone who has an
example of a letter that falls into that category to post it on this
newsgroup.
It is standard tactic of Govt to describe someone who places
particlarly unpalatable material before MPs as deranged and if Mr
McGlouglin cannot recognise this as standard procedure, I suggest that he
has his "rose tints" replaced.
JC
Richard John Creser
play on a level playing field. Several years ago I tried to file private
prosecutions to resolve some of the outstanding issues with the Crown
..and those concerned ran off and hid behind the Attorney-General and
applied for a stay of proceedings...ho hum...rather than meet in a court
of law and engage this lone citizen in combat...the might of the state
retreated into the folds of Paul East's petticoat...
Scooter
On 18 Dec 1997 13:56:45 GMT, Lin Nah
<lin...@comu2.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>In nz.general Scooter <sco...@taranaki.ac.nz> wrote:
>| I take it that this line indicates you are posting this under the
>| aegis of parliament?
>| Are your employers aware of your campaigns against me during work
>| hours and using the taxpayers reources?
>You are being totally ridiculous.
>
>How would you know that he is posting during work hours?
He is posting using the resources of the government.
Our money, the taxpayers money. I am sure email and newsgroup
acess is given to enable employees to communicate and to possibly
educate rather than carry on personal attacks.
>How do you know what his work hours are?
I have no idea, my complaint is with personal attacks using govt
resources.
He furthermore told us that someone had complained about him in
the past for posting during work hours and had an account so he
could post at home.
>Perhaps he was posting during work hours. However if he gets his work
>done I am sure his employer won't mind if he occasionally takes a short
>break.
I, as a taxpayer, mind when taxpayers money is used to abuse and
attack someone, even more so when it is me..
>Perhaps he was posting during work hours. Would you know if he perhaps
>worked a bit longer that day(or the day before or the next day) to make
>up for it?
You are clutching at straws.
>| Consider them informed.
>I hope someone informs them about you too
Inform the "parliament.govt.nz" site?
Sure, but I confess to being a little perplexed as to why they
would want to know.
I take it you agree with taxpayers resources being used during
working hours or any other time to insult and abuse people?
Apart from MP's of course. <GRIN>
David has apologised both publically and privately. Unfortunately
my complaints had gone out before I recieved the messages.
Tim Hume
In article <3498dc1d...@news.caverock.net.nz>, x@y.z (Patrick Dunford) writes:
> Whereas hu...@rses.vuw.ac.nz (Tim Hume) verily didst write on 18 Dec
> 1997 01:05:23 GMT...
>
> ] I do sympathise with people getting junk email, however I don't think this
> ] should be an excuse to prevent Mr Creser from making what he considers to be
> ] a valid political statement.
>
> Which particular side of the political fence does Mr Creser happen to
> be on I wonder? The Left? The revolutionaries' side?
I am not sure what his politics are, but I would still support his right to
free speech whatever his political views were.
Tim Hume
Tim Hume
In article <3498dc98...@news.caverock.net.nz>, x@y.z (Patrick Dunford) writes:
> Whereas hu...@rses.vuw.ac.nz (Tim Hume) verily didst write on 17 Dec
> 1997 19:15:45 GMT...
>
>
> ] I support you posting this list. Don't let threats of legal action from ACT
> ] silence you.
>
> If the revolutionaries were the ones being harrassed by Mr Creser I
> wonder would they support such a line being taken?
I would.
Tim Hume
Andy Gardner
Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
> Andrew Wilson <wilso...@xtra.co.nz>, Andy Gardner <an...@winz.co.nz>,
Fucking hell! Now everyone knows I was getting the Goss!
What to do? What to do? :^)
Andrew P. Gardner ZL2VOA 176.019E 41.144S NZMS260 T27 626024
"Waikohi", Homewood, New Zealand http://navigator.co.nz/andy
Mediumwave DXer - Drake R8A http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6685
Andy Gardner
Geoff Fischer <fis...@banned.ac.nz> wrote:
> Tau Henare, Parliament, MPs, "the phone company", all have a problem
> with Mr Creser? Well maybe he's not such a bad sort of a guy after
> all.
Hmmm. Maybe he should be on my Christmas card list? :^)
Bruce Simpson
Since Mr Creser has posted three copies of his "political statement"
in this thread alone (as well as others), I think it qualifies as spam
and perhaps his ISP should act accordingly.
----
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Publisher of Aardvark, NZ's Leading Net-Industry News EZine
http://www.aardvark.co.nz
Patrick Dunford
Whereas myfirstname...@anu.edu.au (John Hellstrom) verily
didst write on Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:45:44 +1100...
] Perhaps the spambots would never have seen it (they may not
] have anyway),
How would they have not seen it?
I know of one e-mail address regularly receiving sex spam after only
one day's posting to nz.politics
Patrick Dunford
Whereas Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> verily didst write
on 18 Dec 1997 18:13:13 GMT...
] David McLouglin has posted a notice claiming that a sad an deranged
] individual (me) has been responsible for screeds of nonsensical drivel
] being faxed to Parliamentarians. I would welcome anyone who has an
] example of a letter that falls into that category to post it on this
] newsgroup.
Well most of the rhetoric that you keep posting would seem to me to
fall into this category.
Dave Joll
Patrick Dunford wrote in message <3498dcd6...@news.caverock.net.nz>...
>] Thanks Tim,
>] The latest objector was David Farrar, the editor of National Newstalk who
>] has written to the postmaster at voyager to complain. He is no doubt
>] aware of several embarrasing issues involving Ministers of the Crown that
>] I will be publicising next week.
>Well I am quite happy to join him, and for that matter I am not a
>member of the National Party and would have no opposition to someone
>using a legal and ethical means of making their point, but not by
>spamming with a list that happened to fall into their hands.
I'll go further and say that I have in the past disagreed vehemently
with his political opinions (and still do, by the way), but I respect
the amount of work he has put into organizing the nz.* news
groups, and I *despise* the very concept of Spam. By all
means send "The Goose" to those who have expressed a desire
to read it. But DO NOT send it to people who have better
things to do with their time.
Regards
Dave Joll
Dave Joll
Andy Gardner wrote in message <1997121901...@ppp0-15.winz.co.nz>...
>Fucking hell! Now everyone knows I was getting the Goss!
>What to do? What to do? :^)
Why worry? I have actually read "I've been Thinking".
No, I didn't believe Prebble's load of waffle either.
(The local actoid had this bright idea of sending out
copies around the electorate, complete with pro forma
invoices. Still don't know whether that was legal under
the Electoral Act...)
Regards
Dave Joll
Patrick Dunford
Whereas sco...@taranaki.ac.nz (Scooter) verily didst write on Thu, 18
Dec 1997 20:22:05 GMT...
] He is posting using the resources of the government.
] Our money, the taxpayers money. I am sure email and newsgroup
] acess is given to enable employees to communicate and to possibly
] educate rather than carry on personal attacks.
So... you are posting using the resources of the Taranaki Polytech,
which is also taxpayer funded if I recall rightly.
The same comments would apply to Taranaki Polytech employees as to
Government employees, that you wrote above I would think. It would be
inappropriate for the polytech's domain name to appear in the e-mail
address of a non-employee or student.
Cliff Pratt
Geoff Fischer wrote
>
>As I have said before, David Farrar is simply a paid government
>propagandist, whose personal integrity is on a par with those he serves.
>
Oh god, there's two of them! Two paranoid loony conspiracy theorists!
Cliff
Avatar
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:22:05 GMT, sco...@taranaki.ac.nz (Scooter) wrote in
message [<34b28546...@news.taranaki.ac.nz>]:
>David has apologised both publically and privately. Unfortunately
>my complaints had gone out before I recieved the messages.
Yeah, we ALL know how quick off the mark you are to make complaints and get
all official...
Well, perhaps we will complain to the taranaki campus when we see a message
out of you dated during working hours ? How can we be sure you weren't
using tax-payer resources there ? Or even private resources not yours ?
I'm sure the boss would love to know how you are wasting his time.
Avatar
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Scooter
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:17:43 GMT, x@y.z (Patrick Dunford) wrote:
>Whereas sco...@taranaki.ac.nz (Scooter) verily didst write on Thu, 18
>Dec 1997 20:22:05 GMT...
>
>] He is posting using the resources of the government.
>] Our money, the taxpayers money. I am sure email and newsgroup
>] acess is given to enable employees to communicate and to possibly
>] educate rather than carry on personal attacks.
>
>So... you are posting using the resources of the Taranaki Polytech,
>which is also taxpayer funded if I recall rightly.
No the ISP, TIPNET, is a totally self supporting commercial
company.
The polytech has a number of "stand alone" companies that are not
funded by the polytech.
It may be hard for you to understand but that is the way it is.
>The same comments would apply to Taranaki Polytech employees as to
>Government employees, that you wrote above I would think. It would be
>inappropriate for the polytech's domain name to appear in the e-mail
>address of a non-employee or student.
Well then once again you are wrong.
The vast majority of subscribers are not employees of the
polytech.
Feel free to ask any more questions.
Scooter
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:16:50 GMT, x@y.z (Patrick Dunford) wrote:
>Whereas Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> verily didst write
>on 18 Dec 1997 18:13:13 GMT...
>
>] David McLouglin has posted a notice claiming that a sad an deranged
>] individual (me) has been responsible for screeds of nonsensical drivel
>] being faxed to Parliamentarians. I would welcome anyone who has an
>] example of a letter that falls into that category to post it on this
>] newsgroup.
>
>Well most of the rhetoric that you keep posting would seem to me to
>fall into this category.
But that doesn't answer his question, you have merely tried to
intriduce a straw man into the discussion.
John Fulton
In message <34b28546...@news.taranaki.ac.nz> -
sco...@taranaki.ac.nz (Scooter) writes:
:>
Snip...
:>>Perhaps he was posting during work hours. However if he gets his work
:>>break.
:>
:>I, as a taxpayer, mind when taxpayers money is used to abuse and
:>attack someone, even more so when it is me..
:>
:>>Perhaps he was posting during work hours. Would you know if he perhaps
:>>worked a bit longer that day(or the day before or the next day) to make
:>>up for it?
:>
:>You are clutching at straws.
:>
:>>| Consider them informed.
:>
:>>I hope someone informs them about you too
:>
:>Inform the "parliament.govt.nz" site?
:>Sure, but I confess to being a little perplexed as to why they
:>would want to know.
:>
:>I take it you agree with taxpayers resources being used during
:>working hours or any other time to insult and abuse people?
:>Apart from MP's of course. <GRIN>
:>David has apologised both publically and privately. Unfortunately
:>my complaints had gone out before I recieved the messages.
However if you think that the use of Parliament's email system by the
staff is the only waste of money on the Hill, then you are very much
mistaken!
There are other things that would be much better to have a go at, such
as photocopiers etc!
I would not begrudge David some time to deal with news and email!
// John Fulton, Ngaio, Wellington NEW ZEALAND
// Phone +64 4 4792043 FAX +64 4 4792043
Andy Gardner
John Hellstrom <myfirstname...@anu.edu.au> wrote:
> I have found the hard way that they search the WWW for "mailto:" URLs, too.
To get around this, you can change your mailto: data to include dec/hex
notation for some of the characters (mailto:joeb...@me.him ->
mailto:joeblogg@me.him)
AFAIK the mail address extractors haven't cottoned on to this trick yet.
I find it a bit of a pain myself, as I reply to mailto: addresses by
cutting & pasting the address into Eudora. The above method makes that a
non-option.
Patrick Dunford
] I know they take addresses out of the headers, but has it got to the point
] where they also scan the body of every message (especially long ones)?
Well Brucie says they are now processing messages like "dot" which
they translate into a .
And they are downloading HTML pages and ripping addresses out of them.
The problem is this magic @ symbol which is 100% guaranteed to be in
an e-mail address.
] I have found the hard way that they search the WWW for "mailto:" URLs, too.
Yes, I changed my web page to use only the e-mail address that already
gets spam, so my latest one doesn't.
Patrick Dunford
Whereas an...@navigator.co.nz (Andy Gardner) verily didst write on Sat,
20 Dec 1997 12:38:24 +1300...
] I find it a bit of a pain myself, as I reply to mailto: addresses by
] cutting & pasting the address into Eudora. The above method makes that a
] non-option.
Get a browser or newsreader that starts your e-mail client
automatically then. Most of the good ones do.
Patrick Dunford
Whereas an...@navigator.co.nz (Andy Gardner) verily didst write on Sat,
20 Dec 1997 12:38:24 +1300...
] AFAIK the mail address extractors haven't cottoned on to this trick yet.
I imagine they won't be far behind :-)
Patrick Dunford
Whereas sco...@taranaki.ac.nospam.nz (Scooter) verily didst write on
Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:34:32 GMT...
] No the ISP, TIPNET, is a totally self supporting commercial
] company.
] The polytech has a number of "stand alone" companies that are not
] funded by the polytech.
Well my advice to them would be to get a totally different domain name
lest some of their subscribers give the Polytech a bad name :-)
P Meilland
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:20:29 GMT, x@y.z (Patrick Dunford) wrote:
>Whereas sco...@taranaki.ac.nz (Scooter) verily didst write on Thu, 18
>Dec 1997 11:30:03 GMT...
>
>
>] I take it that this line indicates you are posting this under the
>] aegis of parliament?
>] Are your employers aware of your campaigns against me during work
>] hours and using the taxpayers reources?
>
>
>] > Scooter <g...@cygnus.taranaki.ac.nz>,
>
>Ah. So the above mentioned person is our dear old Scooter residing
>under (by coincidence) the same initials as someone called G*** D****
>?
>
One day, this thread is going to inspire me to fire up the XT with the
300K modem, 20MB Drive, and the archives of the FIDONET echoes wherein
resides postings by one Greg Dowle (Scooter) (thus).
I kid not.
--
Mary, Christmas and Happy, New Year. Who's staying over after them?
P Meilland
>>The same comments would apply to Taranaki Polytech employees as to
>>Government employees, that you wrote above I would think. It would be
>>inappropriate for the polytech's domain name to appear in the e-mail
>>address of a non-employee or student.
>
>Well then once again you are wrong.
>The vast majority of subscribers are not employees of the
>polytech.
>Feel free to ask any more questions.
>
What a masterly and weasely answering the statement while dodging the
issue.
Who said, before Greg, anything about the vast majority of
subscribers? We're discussing those who ARE employees, not those who
AREN'T. Get back on track.
Patrick Dunford
Whereas el...@melnibone.not.of.this.world (P Meilland) verily didst
write on Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:38:12 GMT...
] One day, this thread is going to inspire me to fire up the XT with the
] 300K modem, 20MB Drive, and the archives of the FIDONET echoes wherein
] resides postings by one Greg Dowle (Scooter) (thus).
Yeah, Yeah Yeah !
Geoff Fischer
David Farrar wrote:
> I have made many (hundreds) of posts in appropriate groups against
> spamming and off hand have been responsible for over 100 people losing
> their accounts for it. None of these were political - it is all to do
> with proper use of the Internet.
As I understand it David Farrar is not opposed to junkmail as such.
I, for example, never ask the National Party to post me their views
on the state of New Zealand politics and the economy, but for a few
months in every triennium they do exactly that.
David's argument is that we pay for the Email we receive, whereas we
don't pay for to receive ordinary posts. I think that entirely
specious. The marginal cost of receiving an item of email is
probably no greater than the marginal cost of disposing of unwanted
National Party literature.
No, I think the real reason why David is so zealous to ferret out
spammers is that the internet provides a means whereby the ordinary
citizen can broadcast views, or establish a business, on an almost
level playing field with the established political parties and the
major corporations.
The only protection we need is a willingness to respect the sign at
the gate saying "No Junk Mail", and the Internet equivalent.
> Sending bulk e-mail to people who have not requested it is exactly the
> definition of spamming. By all means set up your own newsletter, but
> only send it to people who have specifically asked for it.
> Look, you can publish what you want, but it is how you do it that
> counts. Why not put it up on a web page? I'll even point you in teh
> right direction of hwo to get a free one.
That is another specious suggestion. It is like saying that if you
have a new product, you can advertise it with a post inside your front
hall, but you must not letter box around the neighbourhood.
How many people know who John Creser is, or what his grievance is, so
that they can make the decision to visit his website?
Sure, your argument might apply to Coca Cola Corporation, or the National
Party, but it is disingenuous of you to raise it in relation to John Creser.
> But what you should not do is e-mail it to people who have not
> requested it. If you really do not know why this is a bad thing then
> I can point you in the direction of some material on this. The fact
> that every (possibly bar one) ISP in NZ bans unsolicited bulk e-mail
> should be a clue that it is unacceptable.
Not necessarily. It is not often that anyone wants to bulk email
others over a moral or political issue, but if they feel they necessity
then they should be allowed to do that. Recipients of course should
have the right to have their names removed from the mailing list.
> No they really do not. I just think it was incredibly bad thing to
> expose 1100 people to the possibility of getting (often pronographic)
> junk spammed e-mails by posting the list here. Remember some of these
> people will not even know about Usenet or even have web access and
> will be confused as heel when "Horny Debbie" starts sending them
> e-mail every second day.
How is it that whenever someone wants to restrict freedom on the net
they raise the spectres of paedophilia, pornography etc?
And why is it that the cry is loudest from those who appear to be
themselves most liberal on issues of sexual morality?
Richard John Creser
some of the issues that will be described in detail in the first issue of
the "GOOSE."
(vt slang: poke person in a sensitive region{esp genital or anal}
Avatar
On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:38:12 GMT, el...@melnibone.not.of.this.world (P
Meilland) wrote in message [<34a22f25...@News.ihug.co.nz>]:
>One day, this thread is going to inspire me to fire up the XT with the
>300K modem, 20MB Drive, and the archives of the FIDONET echoes wherein
>resides postings by one Greg Dowle (Scooter) (thus).
Go for it.
I'll point out though that I did just that (a certain tasty one where he
was claiming he was being picked on because of his mental treatment!). He
simply denied it all, and claimed it was a forgery.
No one belived him of course.
Richard John Creser
that the Minister of Police deliberately misled Parliament...
JC
Andy Gardner
Patrick Dunford <x@y.z> wrote:
> Whereas an...@navigator.co.nz (Andy Gardner) verily didst write on Sat,
> 20 Dec 1997 12:38:24 +1300...
>
> ] I find it a bit of a pain myself, as I reply to mailto: addresses by
> ] cutting & pasting the address into Eudora. The above method makes that a
> ] non-option.
>
> Get a browser or newsreader that starts your e-mail client
> automatically then. Most of the good ones do.
I have (Netscape 3 -> Eudora and can set it up to automatically switch
over to Eudora.
But Eudora doesn't recognise the HTML character codes.
Cliff Pratt
Geoff Fischer wrote
>
>No, I think the real reason why David is so zealous to ferret out
>spammers is that the internet provides a means whereby the ordinary
>citizen can broadcast views, or establish a business, on an almost
>level playing field with the established political parties and the
>major corporations.
>
analogies to the junk mail in your mailbox are also crap.
The major part of the spam that I receive is porno addresses,
chain letters, and stupid dickheads posting "offers" that are
only available in the US, begging letters, and offers by people
who want me to get a US green card.
I have never had any spam from political parties or from large
corporations (with the exception only of the Bill Gates empire).
In a truly socialist society, the concept of "starting a business"
is pointless. If you start a business, you are reserving resources
for your own personal use, thus depriving society at large, and
property is theft.
Cliff
Michael
In article <67hg8t$119$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>, Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
>David ..."evil prospers while good men do nothing"...Farrar..loyal slave
>to the National Party,writes that the decision to send the "GOSS"
>recipients an alternative newsletter the "GOOSE" from the (unofficial)
>Onepoto Branch of the New Zealand Labour Party, is tantamount to
>spamming.
<snipped>
Why is the Onepoto Branch of the New Zealand Labour Party unofficial?
Patrick Dunford
] This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Put another record on!
(Oh sorry, perhaps you only have one in your collection)
David McLoughlin
Hello Richard John Creser
Several days ago you maliciously posted the Goss email mailing list to
these newsgroups.
Mine was one of the 1500 email addresses you maliciously exposed to
collection by a spam robot.
The sex spam below has just arrived in my mailbox.
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Dave Joll
Patrick Dunford wrote in message <349c57e5...@news.caverock.net.nz>...
>Whereas Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> verily didst write
>on 20 Dec 1997 22:19:09 GMT...
>] This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>Put another record on!
Oh for the days when MIME meant "silent" :-)
Regards
Dave Joll
Patrick Dunford
Whereas David McLoughlin <davemcl@-DROP-iprolink.co.nz> verily didst
write on Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:12:47 +1200...
] Several days ago you maliciously posted the Goss email mailing list to
] these newsgroups.
Hopefully you should have excellent grounds for a complaint against
Creser's ISP.
David McLoughlin
John Hellstrom wrote:
> At least once you appear to have placed your address in the body of a
> posting yourself, and your address also appears in 200-odd posts made
> before 24/11/97 - I find it difficult to believe you haven't received
> considerable amounts of spam in the past.
I haven't actually. Very little. But three now so far today.
> While I don't wish to support Richard in any way, shape or form, your
> implicit claim that you have started receiving sex spam as a result of his
> posting the Goss list, is perhaps just a little dishonest :)
Actually the dishonest act was maliciously posting the mailing list.
The most cursory look at any of my posts for at least the past year will
reveal the inclusion of a spam-blocker in the form of -DROP-
The Goss list Mr Creser posted contained 1500 addresses without spam
blockers.
Methinks you are being somewhat disingenuous.
David McLoughlin
Auckland New Zealand
Bruce Simpson
On 20 Dec 1997 23:03:25 GMT, Richard John Creser
<jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
I get it... that load of drivel he keeps posting is supposed to be his
.SIG
Well that's a blatant breach of netiquette for a start that ought to
get him booted off by his ISP. I'll contact David in the morning and
see what action is being taken since there is a proven breach of
netiquette here - and it's been repeated numerous times since I'm sure
he must have been warned by Voyager management.
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On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:12:40 GMT, s...@my.sig (Avatar) wrote:
>
>On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:38:12 GMT, el...@melnibone.not.of.this.world (P
>Meilland) wrote in message [<34a22f25...@News.ihug.co.nz>]:
>
>>One day, this thread is going to inspire me to fire up the XT with the
>>300K modem, 20MB Drive, and the archives of the FIDONET echoes wherein
>>resides postings by one Greg Dowle (Scooter) (thus).
>
>Go for it.
>
>I'll point out though that I did just that (a certain tasty one where he
>was claiming he was being picked on because of his mental treatment!). He
>simply denied it all, and claimed it was a forgery.
>
>No one belived him of course.
>
Ah well, perhaps then I'll just remain secure in my knowledge, that
all his fatuous denials cannot shake.
Richard John Creser
Like Act, I seem to have encountered a problem with my mailer, and the
GOSS list was accidently forwarded to nz.politics & nz.gen..I have not
posted the list anywhere else nor have I written to anyone on it.
Given that I am on that list, it is interesting to note that I have not
received a dreaded spam attack. Frankley, I think your efforts to comment
on this situation are transparent and pathetic.
Last week you mounted an attack using the insanity option and now I,m
being accused of malicious intent. Of course this is no doubt easier than
examining issues that led to the inception of the "GOOSE".
Police Minister Jack Elder has deliberately misled Parliament in his
response to Parliamentary Question 10848. A truly concerned citizen would
be asking for the evidence to support the above allegation instead of
wasting energy with a dilemma that simply takes a point and click to
resolve.
Richard John Creser
David Farrar & Simpson,
suggest that the multiple postings are malicious drivel...the writer is
new to this medium and the postings have been attached as files to
completely separate comments. Likewise a multiple posting to nz.politics
was the result of netscape appearing to lock up and the send button being
pressed several times...sorry...please don't net rage me...
Mr Farrar has been unable to provide any comment concerning serious
allegations againts the National/NZ First Coalition and I submitt that
this is the real reason behind the MIGHTY MODERATOR's attempts to have
my account closed.
Thanks JC
Richard John Creser
A shabby attempt by D.M to blame me for his sex spam...Obviously I'M on
the Goss list and I have yet to receive any of the items complained of.
Richard John Creser
C.mon Dave, explain to me why I have yet to receive the sex spam you
blame on my...once only. "accidental posting"...sorry..nt rage nt rage..
Bruce Simpson
On 21 Dec 1997 21:49:50 GMT, Richard John Creser
<jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
>Hello David,
>
>Like Act, I seem to have encountered a problem with my mailer, and the
>GOSS list was accidently forwarded to nz.politics & nz.gen..I have not
>posted the list anywhere else nor have I written to anyone on it.
So, do you not believe that what's fair for ACT is fair for you?
They screwed up and are paying for it - you screwed up and so you
should pay also. If this means your ISP gives you the boot then
that's fair. You made such a big noise about ACT's mess up and then
went on to try and rub their nose in it - now you complain when people
do the same to you?
For someone demanding justice, you seem to have a pretty warped idea
of how it should be applied in other circumstances!
Bruce Simpson
On 21 Dec 1997 22:01:48 GMT, Richard John Creser
<jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
>suggest that the multiple postings are malicious drivel...the writer is
>new to this medium and the postings have been attached as files to
>completely separate comments. Likewise a multiple posting to nz.politics
>was the result of netscape appearing to lock up and the send button being
>pressed several times...sorry...please don't net rage me...
Why shouldn't people be enraged at your behaviour (regardless of
whether it's benign or malicious). Act screwed up and you capitalised
on their screw-up to push your own personal agenda at the expense of
others. Now, when YOU screw up, you expect everyone to forget and
forgive.
Your idea of justice is "do as I say not as I do?".
Get real!
>Mr Farrar has been unable to provide any comment concerning serious
>allegations againts the National/NZ First Coalition and I submitt that
>this is the real reason behind the MIGHTY MODERATOR's attempts to have
>my account closed.
If you want to blame anyone for getting your account closed I think
you need look no further than the mirror!
David McLoughlin
Bruce Simpson wrote:
> On 21 Dec 1997 21:49:50 GMT, Richard John Creser
> >Like Act, I seem to have encountered a problem with my mailer, and the
> >GOSS list was accidently forwarded to nz.politics & nz.gen..I have not
> >posted the list anywhere else nor have I written to anyone on it.
This is a lie, see below.
> So, do you not believe that what's fair for ACT is fair for you?
> They screwed up and are paying for it - you screwed up and so you
> should pay also. If this means your ISP gives you the boot then
> that's fair. You made such a big noise about ACT's mess up and then
> went on to try and rub their nose in it - now you complain when people
> do the same to you?
No, what he is doing is lying to try to explain his original posts. He
posted the original list DELIBERATELY after Act accidentally mailed it to
him. Now there have been complaints to his ISP, he is trying to claim he
too posted it by accident.
Any check with Deja News shows he deliberately posted it in two parts to
the newsgroup.
>For someone demanding justice, you seem to have a pretty warped idea
> of how it should be applied in other circumstances!
Unfortunately this is one sad individual and people like him enjoy doing
things like this. It is a cross we have to bear in a free and democratic
society and so be it.
Miche
In article <67k98j$eo0$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>
Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> writes:
> A shabby attempt by D.M to blame me for his sex spam
I don't think so. David has an established career; no reason for him
to go into the spam business.
Miche
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>While I don't wish to support Richard in any way, shape or form, your
>implicit claim that you have started receiving sex spam as a result of his
>posting the Goss list, is perhaps just a little dishonest :)
I don't know about David's motivation, but my public e-mail is that of
an 'editor', while the Goss list published contained my personal email
address. I too have since received the same spam to my personal email
address.
Not offered as proof, but 'reasonable' cause.
If we check with another handful of people on the Goss list, I think
the probability of it being correct can be established to be beyond
reasonable doubt.
I have received an e-mail from the General Manager of Voyager in
response to my enquiry about this incident, and was informed the
customer has guaranteed he will not repeat the same action again.
Voyager's policy on these matters is on-line at
http://home.voyager.co.nz/terms.htm where it states:
" Any user who conducts a spamming exercise will firstly be warned
that their behaviour is unacceptable and that they will be expected
to cease the practice immediately. Failure to comply with this
request will result in the immediate and permanent disconnection of
the offender from Voyager's network without further warning."
Many ISPs maintain a "zero tolerance" policy. I myself have such a
policy for the ISP I'm involved with. But I normally do not
disconnect the customer on the first tresspass. However, in the case
of the Goss mailing list, it was deliberate and intentionally
malicious. Based on that I wish for him to be subject to the
repercussions of his actions beyond having to promise he won't do it
again.
Under Voyager's current policy, I can subscribe, and willfully spam
once - promise not to do it again, and live of the profits from the
spam. (Then subscribe again under a different name, and so on...)
<sigh>
Regards, from Peter Belt (editor+plug-com-nz, +=@, com=co, -=.)
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Megan Pledger
David McLoughlin wrote:
>
> Actually the dishonest act was maliciously posting the mailing list.
>
> The most cursory look at any of my posts for at least the past year will
> reveal the inclusion of a spam-blocker in the form of -DROP-
Oh bother,
I cc-ed a news article to you since you have been having trouble
seeing posts from Ihug users. I had to use your correct e-mail
address and presumably that was recorded in the header of the news
article as well. Sorry!
I didn't think of that at the time :-<
tricia
On 21 Dec 1997 21:49:50 GMT, Richard John Creser
>Hello David,
>
>Like Act, I seem to have encountered a problem with my mailer, and the
>GOSS list was accidently forwarded to nz.politics & nz.gen..I have not
>posted the list anywhere else nor have I written to anyone on it.
Mr Creser I would like you to answer a question for me, how if you
truly and honestly posted the GOSS mail list to this group, did you
manage to truly and honestly mispost it in TWO parts??
Just a little thing that has been annoying me.
Tricia
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Richard John Creser
Bruce Simpson, the bottom line is that ACT screwed up and derserve to be
shown up as incompetent, whether or not it involves my agenda or the
mailing list.
As for having the account closed, I don't think so...Mr Farrar is a bit
like the guy who writes to the junk mail co after the "no more" sign on
his letterbox is ignored. Any sensible citizen would save it for the
circular file and get on with living.
JC
Richard John Creser
David has said that the spam attack has started because of my posting. I
am on the list that he refers to but I have yet to receive one spam apart
from his own....explain?
Michael
In article <67kpo7$l2e$1...@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>, Richard John Creser <jcr...@voyager.co.nz> wrote:
>Bruce Simpson, the bottom line is that ACT screwed up and derserve to be
>shown up as incompetent, whether or not it involves my agenda or the
>mailing list.
We know ACT stuffed up. ACT know they stuffed up. But your assertions that
you posted this mailing list in error really do defy belief. You posted it in
two parts with instructions of how to download the second part. Then you
compounded the matter by posting the mailing list to more than one newsgroup.
Most people at this stage would admit their mistake and say they are sorry.
But you Mr Cresswell go on to start spamming newsgroups with some personal
rant that most people are noit interested in.
Why dont you cut your losses, apologise to the people on the Goss mailing list
and move on.
Richard John Creser
In a free society one also has to content with people claiming to have
been spammed of my posting...I am also on that list and have yet to
receive any of the material Dave M has received.
In a free society I have to accept being labelled deranged and malicious
etc...in respect of the "accidental posting" it seems that the simple
among us have no appreciation for tounge in cheek...
JCDavid McLoughlin <davemcl@-DR*P-iprolink.co.nz> wrote:
>Bruce Simpson wrote:
>
>> On 21 Dec 1997 21:49:50 GMT, Richard John Creser
>> wrote:
>
>> >Like Act, I seem to have encountered a problem with my mailer, and the
>> >GOSS list was accidently forwarded to nz.politics & nz.gen..I have not
>> >posted the list anywhere else nor have I written to anyone on it.
>
Richard John Creser
The cut your losses scenario could equally apply to the Crown who have
spent big $$$$$$ to avoid confronting the issue that sits behind this
apparent mayhem...but from chaos comes order..
JC