Jewish Tel Aviv University, Dr Sand asks“When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?” = At the turn of the 20th century
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3,246 views October 17, 2008
No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his latest academic
work has spent 19 weeks on Israel’s bestseller list — and that success
has come to the history professor despite his book challenging
Israel’s biggest taboo.
Dr Shlomo Sand argues that the idea of a Jewish nation — whose need
for a safe haven was originally used to justify the founding of the
state of Israel — is a myth invented little more than a century ago.
An expert on European history at Tel Aviv University, Dr Sand drew on
extensive historical and archaeological research to support not only
this claim but several more — all equally controversial.
In addition, he argues that the Jews were never exiled from the Holy
Land, that most of today’s Jews have no historical connection to the
land called Israel and that the only political solution to the
country’s conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish the Jewish
state.
The success of “When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?” looks
likely to be repeated around the world. A French edition, launched
last month, is selling so fast that it has already had three print
runs.
Translations are under way into a dozen languages, including Arabic
and English. But he predicted a rough ride from the pro-Israel lobby
when the book is launched by his English publisher, Verso, in the
United States next year.
In contrast, he said Israelis had been, if not exactly supportive, at
least curious about his argument. Tom Segev, one of the country’s
leading journalists, has called the book “fascinating and
challenging”.
Surprisingly, Dr Sand said, most of his academic colleagues in Israel
have shied away from tackling his arguments. One exception is Israel
Bartal, a professor of Jewish history at Hebrew University in
Jerusalem. Writing in Haaretz, the Israeli daily newspaper, Dr Bartal
made little effort to rebut Dr Sand’s claims. Paradoxically, he
dedicated much of his article instead to defending his profession. He
suggested that Israeli historians were not as ignorant about the
invented nature of Jewish history as Dr Sand contends.
The idea for the book had come to him many years ago, Dr Sand said,
but he waited until recently to start working on it. “I cannot claim
to be particularly courageous in publishing the book now,” he said. “I
waited until I was a full professor. There is a price to be paid in
Israeli academia for expressing views of this sort.”
Dr Sand’s main argument is that until little more than a century ago,
Jews thought of themselves as Jews only because they shared a common
religion. At the turn of the 20th century, he said, Zionist Jews
challenged this idea and started creating a national history by
inventing the idea that Jews existed as a people separate from their
religion.
Equally, the modern Zionist idea of Jews being obligated to return
from exile to the Promised Land was entirely alien to Judaism, he
added.
“Zionism changed the idea of Jerusalem. Before, the holy places were
seen as places to long for, not to be lived in. For 2,000 years Jews
stayed away from Jerusalem not because they could not return but
because their religion forbade them from returning until the messiah
came.”
The biggest surprise during his research came when he started looking
at the archaeological evidence from the biblical era.
“I was not raised as a Zionist, but like all other Israelis I took it
for granted that the Jews were a people living in Judea and that they
were exiled by the Romans in 70 AD.
“But once I started looking at the evidence, I discovered that the
kingdoms of David and Solomon were legends.
“Similarly with the exile. In fact, you can’t explain Jewishness
without exile. But when I started to look for history books describing
the events of this exile, I couldn’t find any. Not one.
“That was because the Romans did not exile people. In fact, Jews in
Palestine were overwhelming peasants and all the evidence suggests
they stayed on their lands.”
Instead, he believes an alternative theory is more plausible: the
exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit Jews to the
new faith. “Christians wanted later generations of Jews to believe
that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God.”
So if there was no exile, how is it that so many Jews ended up
scattered around the globe before the modern state of Israel began
encouraging them to “return”?
Dr Sand said that, in the centuries immediately preceding and
following the Christian era, Judaism was a proselytising religion,
desperate for converts. “This is mentioned in the Roman literature of
the time.”
Jews travelled to other regions seeking converts, particularly in
Yemen and among the Berber tribes of North Africa. Centuries later,
the people of the Khazar kingdom in what is today south Russia, would
convert en masse to Judaism, becoming the genesis of the Ashkenazi
Jews of central and eastern Europe.
Dr Sand pointed to the strange state of denial in which most Israelis
live, noting that papers offered extensive coverage recently to the
discovery of the capital of the Khazar kingdom next to the Caspian
Sea.
Ynet, the website of Israel’s most popular newspaper, Yedioth
Ahronoth, headlined the story: “Russian archaeologists find long-lost
Jewish capital.” And yet none of the papers, he added, had considered
the significance of this find to standard accounts of Jewish history.
One further question is prompted by Dr Sand’s account, as he himself
notes: if most Jews never left the Holy Land, what became of them?
“It is not taught in Israeli schools, but most of the early Zionist
leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel's first prime minister],
believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area’s
original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam.”
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/17/news/shlomo-sand-when-and-how-was-the-jewish-people-invented/
Bob Hawke
filthy Paki camel driver.
He spots the gin and seeing that her fanny is fly-blown, decides to give her
one up the arse.
Some of his spunk seeps through and a few months later Malcom Fabian enters
the world through that fly blown orifice.
At birth Malcom received a good dose of blow fly eggs and freshly hatched
maggots.
It is a well known fact that abbos are not known for their bravery. In fact
history has proven that they are culturally a COWARDLY race.
Hence their propensity to beat up old ladies, rape and even murder them.
History can provide numerous instances of this.
Now lets look at Malcom's Paki heritage.
It is also a well documented fact that Pakis are not the bravest souls on
this earth. In fact they are a down right cowardly lot. Hence there
propensity to blow other people up with bombs strapped to themselves.
Just look at recent events in India where Paki trained and bred Islamic shit
massacared dozens of innocent civilians in Lahore, India.
Now when you put these two lots of genes together you end up with a super
cowardly race of individuals just like Malcom Fabian of 5 Pfieffer Court, Mt
Barker, South Australia.
Malcom sees NOTHING WRONG with Islamic radicals like this arselifter at Fort
Hood, Nidal Malik Hasan, who murdered more than a dozen individuals. Malcom
in fact applauds this COWARDLY action.
Malcom's dementure is further exacerbated by the fact that he has become
obsessed by the Islam cult and as a result of his arselifting ways, the blow
flies have thrived in his arse especially due to the fact that there are
numerous TAG-NUTS surrounding his un-wiped arse.
kangarooistan
> Shlomo Sand: ‘When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?’ Seeker
> 3,246 views October 17, 2008
> Jewish Race and Jewish Nationalism are under attack
> Wow, Kanga!! I would expect you or expect me to say that. For Dr.
> Sands to say it is courageous.
> But I am highly pragmatic. So long as Israel exists, and the majority
> of Jews stand to keep it, I am no friend of a Jew. For me to befriend
> a Jew means Palestinians must get their rights.
Hi aviroce
i heard him debate his POV on BBC hardtalk
A bit ofa " canned " interview , BUT His POV is quite interesting
He speaks as a HISTORIAN , and bases his POV from that of a
HISTORIAN , not a politician or cleric
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/17/news/shlomo-sand-when-and-how-was-the-jewish-people-invented/
He was born and remains a PROUD jew good on him
BUT he admits the jewish myths are all baseless FABRICATIONS
he Admit most jews were NEVER ever descended from original inhabitants
but converts to judaism from pother countries
Most if not ALL original jews converted to ISLAM and the Palestinians
are the ORIGINAL jewish descendants
he ADMITS there is NIL evidence the nation of Israel EVER EXISTED
prior to 1948
Which is TRUE
Once we establish the jews myths are baseless , the reasons for a
jewish state vanish
the ancient jews probably never numbered more that a few thousand
people
The Palestinians / Sea peoples / Phoenicians were a VERY wealthy group
that have been denied ther TRUE honor in history and jews HIJACKED
their glory
The Turin Papyrus gold mine I recently discovered in South Australia
will help re write the TRUE history of the Palestinian peoples Im
going to contact Pro Sands as he would
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/17/news/shlomo-sand-when-and-how-wa...
very well informed about the TRUE history of the Palestinians of 3200
years ago and perhaps can help explain the mine site and clarify
exactly who was involved in the truly VAST mining activity seen in
this area
Most so called EXPERTS dismiss everything that fails to fit into the
jewish version of history and can not comprehend any non white
achievements in Australia during ancient times DESPITE the mountains
of EVIDENCE
Once Israel has bled western taxpayers back into the stone age TRYING
to create a jewish MYTH
We can THEN start rebuilding our futures based of truth
Dont forget about the DOCO on SBS tonight
Science of Islam
kanga
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kangarooistan
Jonathan Cook | Information Clearing House via The Truth Seeker
3,246 views
No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his latest academic
work has spent 19 weeks on Israel’s bestseller list — and that
success
has come to the history professor despite his book challenging
Israel’s biggest taboo.
Dr Shlomo Sand argues that the idea of a Jewish nation — whose need
for a safe haven was originally used to justify the founding of the
state of Israel — is a myth invented little more than a century ago.
An expert on European history at Tel Aviv University, Dr Sand drew on
extensive historical and archaeological research to support not only
this claim but several more — all equally controversial.
In addition, he argues that the Jews were never exiled from the Holy
Land, that most of today’s Jews have no historical connection to the
land called Israel and that the only political solution to the
country’s conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish the Jewish
state.
The success of “When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?” looks
likely to be repeated around the world. A French edition, launched
last month, is selling so fast that it has already had three print
runs.
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/17/news/shlomo-sand-when-and-how-was-the-jewish-people-invented/
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/17/news/shlomo-sand-when-and-how-was-the-jewish-people-invented/
>
> “That was because the Romans did not exile people. In fact, Jews in
> Palestine were overwhelming peasants and all the evidence suggests
> they stayed on their lands.”
>
> Instead, he believes an alternative theory is more plausible: the
> exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit Jews to the
> new faith. “Christians wanted later generations of Jews to believe
> that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God.”
>
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/10/17/news/shlomo-sand-when-and-how-was-the-jewish-people-invented/