I heard that it's best to eat dietry fibre *with* food rather than in a
glass as a supplement between meals so tried this. Never again. I'll drink
the damn stuff halfway through the meal instead and hope that works. (It
does work OK as a thickener in stews and bolognese sauce etc...)
--
Shaun.
DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-)
Sounds like it would cause the opposite of the intended effect!
> I like my porridge thick but this is ridiculous. A hard-to-swallow glutinous
> mass.
>
> I heard that it's best to eat dietry fibre *with* food rather than in a
> glass as a supplement between meals so tried this. Never again. I'll drink
> the damn stuff halfway through the meal instead and hope that works. (It
> does work OK as a thickener in stews and bolognese sauce etc...)
Have you tried arrowroot?
--
- Nic.
Have you tried ignoring all the food freaks?
R
-- Posted on news://freenews.netfront.net - Complaints to ne...@netfront.net --
> Nicolaas Hawkins wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:11:46 +1200, ~misfit~ <misfi...@hooya.com.au>
>> wrote in <news:488e6e52$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>:
>>
>>> I like my porridge thick but this is ridiculous. A hard-to-swallow glutinous
>>> mass.
>>>
>>> I heard that it's best to eat dietry fibre *with* food rather than in a
>>> glass as a supplement between meals so tried this. Never again. I'll drink
>>> the damn stuff halfway through the meal instead and hope that works. (It
>>> does work OK as a thickener in stews and bolognese sauce etc...)
>>
>> Have you tried arrowroot?
>>
>
> Have you tried ignoring all the food freaks?
Have you tried minding your own bloody business?
--
- Nic.
>>> Have you tried arrowroot?
>>>
>>
>> Have you tried ignoring all the food freaks?
>
> Have you tried minding your own bloody business?
Ah... you *do* understand the concept of a newsgroup, right?
If you want an excellent fibre supplement for a fraction of the cost
of commercial formulas - try this.
Buy 500 grams or so of whole linseeds from a bulk-food place (many
larger supermarkets will have linseeds in their bulk-bins section).
They are normally around $4 - $5 a kilo. If you are so inclined, many
organic shops will have organic linseeds at about four-time the cost.
Grind the linseeds up into a "meal" in small batches using a coffee
mill.
Start the day with a large heaped dessertspoon mixed into a large
glass of water. You have to keep stirring as it settles quite quickly.
You can also add it to muesli, cereals etc. It doesn't have much taste
but is full of fibre, Omega 3 and other various goodies. There is a
product available called Flaxofibre which is essentially the same
thing but is about ten times the cost.
After a quick roasting they are a great addition to a salad.
> That sounds like sage advice from your grandma.
An' it works, what matter?
--
- Nic.
Gawd I hope not!
No. I'll look into it.
The psyillium husk powder works just fine, (and is prescribed FOC as a
coumtermeasue to one of the worst side-effects of the opiate analgesics that
I'm also prescribed) it's not that pleasant to take is all. That and the
info I recently heard that it's better if you can incorporate your dietary
fibre *into* your meal rather than take it seperately.
Cheers,
Roger made it into my killfile at some stage, I don't remember why but I'm
yet to see a reason to reconsider the decision.
Cheers,
Thanks for that, you got me a'Googlin' and it seems like a good idea. I'll
see if I can source them locally at a price I can sustain.
The biggest expense will be the coffee grinder as I don't have one.
Cheers,
Good info, thanks.
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Nicolaas Hawkins" typed:
>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:11:46 +1200, ~misfit~ <misfi...@hooya.com.au>
>> wrote in <news:488e6e52$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>:
>>
>>> I like my porridge thick but this is ridiculous. A hard-to-swallow
>>> glutinous mass.
>>>
>>> I heard that it's best to eat dietry fibre *with* food rather than
>>> in a glass as a supplement between meals so tried this. Never again.
>>> I'll drink the damn stuff halfway through the meal instead and hope
>>> that works. (It does work OK as a thickener in stews and bolognese
>>> sauce etc...)
>>
>> Have you tried arrowroot?
>
> No. I'll look into it.
>
> The psyillium husk powder works just fine, (and is prescribed FOC as a
> coumtermeasue to one of the worst side-effects of the opiate analgesics that
> I'm also prescribed) it's not that pleasant to take is all. That and the
> info I recently heard that it's better if you can incorporate your dietary
> fibre *into* your meal rather than take it seperately.
>
> Cheers,
Arrowroot is an excellent thickening agent. I seriously doubt it will
perform the other function you require. Bran? (very cheap if bought in
bulk, but the meeces love it).
--
- Nic.
~misfit~ wrote:
> I like my porridge thick but this is ridiculous. A hard-to-swallow
> glutinous mass.
>
> I heard that it's best to eat dietry fibre *with* food rather than in
> a glass as a supplement between meals so tried this. Never again.
> I'll drink the damn stuff halfway through the meal instead and hope
> that works. (It does work OK as a thickener in stews and bolognese
> sauce etc...)
OMGGG NOOO NOT META MUCOUS... my uncle has cerebral palsy and has to have it
but it is the most vile looking stuff... i rather have Kiwicrush to do the
same job LOL least that is edible.
I sympathise!
Sarns
Nicolaas Hawkins wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:22:49 +1200, Roger Dewhurst
> <dewh...@wave.co.nz> wrote in
> <news:g6m2du$tn$1...@adenine.netfront.net>:
>
>> Nicolaas Hawkins wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:11:46 +1200, ~misfit~
>>> <misfi...@hooya.com.au> wrote in
>>> <news:488e6e52$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>:
>>>
>>>> I like my porridge thick but this is ridiculous. A hard-to-swallow
>>>> glutinous mass.
>>>>
>>>> I heard that it's best to eat dietry fibre *with* food rather than
>>>> in a glass as a supplement between meals so tried this. Never
>>>> again. I'll drink the damn stuff halfway through the meal instead
>>>> and hope that works. (It does work OK as a thickener in stews and
>>>> bolognese sauce etc...)
>>>
>>> Have you tried arrowroot?
>>>
>>
>> Have you tried ignoring all the food freaks?
>
> Have you tried minding your own bloody business?
LMFAOOO at u Nickers :-) (((HUGSSS)))
Sarnsy
And I get sick of fuckwits who change their return to addresses to escape
killfiles.
Begone!
<re-plonk>
LOL! Yeah, that's the stuff. Groos to drink but it does the job.
> ... my uncle has cerebral palsy and has to
> have it but it is the most vile looking stuff... i rather have
> Kiwicrush to do the same job LOL least that is edible.
Hmmm, I'm unfamilair with it.
<google>
The fruit drinks? Made by Vital Foods?
http://www.foodtown.co.nz/fruit_drink_concentrate_kiwi_crush_375287.htm
Expensive, I doubt I could get those on prescription.
> I sympathise!
Heh! Thanks. I'm gonna look into sourcing linseeds and a coffee grinder, see
if it's an affordable option as it has so much more than just fibre to
offer.
Cheers,
Try what Gib Bogle said about roasting them then sprinkle them in a
sandwich with salad and mayo, or vegemite/marmite, or peanut butter and
golden syrup.... A bit of extra texture. Should be rather nice. You
can be the test subject and report to the rest of us :-)
A L P
Many years ago I read a little book by a bran fanatic who raved on about
it but also had some recipes and tips. I still think my Mum's bran
muffin recipe is the best but encouraged by some of his hints I did take
up using bran a bit more. He pointed out that bran works by absorbing a
lot of water, so it makes cakes moist and if you are not too
heavy-handed with it you'll never notice it in the moist solid
good-keeper type of cakes. Use a bit more liquid and make sure the bran
is well moistened - you don't want it to dry out the cake by sucking up
the other moisture in the ingredients.
Another use was in meatballs and that is a great tip. You know how
meatballs can be rather dry even when they are in plenty of sauce?
Well, not if you use bran instead of breadcrumbs. What's more the bran
can carry extra flavour e.g. tomato juice soaked up and held inside the
meatballs adding to overall deliciousness.
A L P
>I like my porridge thick but this is ridiculous. A hard-to-swallow glutinous
>mass.
>
>I heard that it's best to eat dietry fibre *with* food rather than in a
>glass as a supplement between meals so tried this. Never again. I'll drink
>the damn stuff halfway through the meal instead and hope that works. (It
>does work OK as a thickener in stews and bolognese sauce etc...)
Thanks for the warning. Have tried Metamucil (not recently); am eating
porridge for breakfast these (cold) days; might have tried it; will
now know not to.
You learn a lot through the internet! :-)
Steve B.
~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Apairateef" typed:
>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> I like my porridge thick but this is ridiculous. A hard-to-swallow
>>> glutinous mass.
>>>
>>> I heard that it's best to eat dietry fibre *with* food rather than
>>> in a glass as a supplement between meals so tried this. Never again.
>>> I'll drink the damn stuff halfway through the meal instead and hope
>>> that works. (It does work OK as a thickener in stews and bolognese
>>> sauce etc...)
>>
>> OMGGG NOOO NOT META MUCOUS
>
> LOL! Yeah, that's the stuff. Groos to drink but it does the job.
>
>> ... my uncle has cerebral palsy and has to
>> have it but it is the most vile looking stuff... i rather have
>> Kiwicrush to do the same job LOL least that is edible.
>
> Hmmm, I'm unfamilair with it.
>
> <google>
>
> The fruit drinks? Made by Vital Foods?
>
> http://www.foodtown.co.nz/fruit_drink_concentrate_kiwi_crush_375287.htm
Guess it is...i had it in hospital after surgery a couple years back..worked
a treat. I was just told what it was and didn't see the packaging.
> Expensive, I doubt I could get those on prescription.
Bash someone LOL... hmmm see if you are able to get it on disability if you
are eligible
>> I sympathise!
>
> Heh! Thanks. I'm gonna look into sourcing linseeds and a coffee
> grinder, see if it's an affordable option as it has so much more than
> just fibre to offer.
Yeah if you can get a good 'side effect' why not!
Cheers
Sarns
Note how he keeps telling peeps to 'take it to email' but when I tried to some time ago when he
wanted personal info, he danced all around the issue with all sorts of excuses as to give me a valid
email address to email him directly. Not to mention his current campaign about he needs my name and
physical address to have some documents he alleges he has had some American attorney draw up/needs
to have them served on me.
Despite my telling him to have his 'American attorney' to email me, he hasn't.
Yep, he is a right fuckwit and a half....
Cath
You don't need the absurdly overpriced Metamucil. No one does. It's
"supplementar6y" junk marketed to the hoplessly gullible. Simply eat a
balance diet including sufficient fibre and you'll do just fine.
Couldn't be easier.
A balanced diet won't overcome the bunging-up effect of the kind of pain
killers misfit's on. I've lived on unprocessed fibre-rich foods all my
life which means that my system regards that as normal, although another
person would (in fact did!) get a great clean-out from my home-made pea
+ assorted other garden greens soup and grunty bread. Consequently when
I'm bunged up I need blasting powder, not some wussy gentle dose of
Metamucil.
In short, although your dietary advice is sound for general health in
the average person in ordinary circumstances, when it comes to people
who *need* laxatives you don't know what you're talking about.
A L P
Yeah, it was worth a try but was an unmitigated disaster.
> You learn a lot through the internet! :-)
Indeed you do. It is my university of choice. :-)
I get a prescription for it. If I get branded Metamucil I have to co-pay
whereas if I get a generic with exactly the same ingedients in the same
proprtions (Mucilax) it is fully subsidised by Pharmac and just as
effective.
> No one does.
I beg to differ. There are plenty of valid medicinal reasons to take extra
fibre in a diet. For instance, I'm taking opiod analgesics as part of my
pain control regime. Opiod analgesics have a side-effect of reducing the
action of the smooth (involuntary) muscles. This means that the peristaltic
contractions of the lower intestine are much reduced which can lead to
constipation due to immobility of the gut content. The easiest and most
natural way to deal with this problem is to increase the amount of fibre in
your diet so that the weakened peristaltic contractions are still effective
as they have more bulk with which to work, therefore they can still carry
out their desired actions. i.e. Moving material through the intestine.
> It's
> "supplementar6y" junk marketed to the hoplessly gullible.
Once again I beg to differ. It's a natural product grown in India that is
very high in dietary fibre (the only additive is sucrose). It isn't 'junk'
and I'm not "hopelessly gullible". Google or Wiki psyllium.
> Simply eat a
> balance diet including sufficient fibre and you'll do just fine.
Two things here; I take opiod analgesics as I have chronic back pain.
Chronic pain prevents me from working hence I'm entirely reliant on the
Invalid's Benefit for my income. I am unable to afford a "balance diet". To
the extent that I'm also prescribed multivitamins as I was exhibiting signs
of deficiency of some micronutrients. The other thing is, to eat sufficient
naturally occuring fibre to make up for the reduced peristaltic contractions
in my duodenum, ileum and large intestine I'd have to eat more than double
the DRI, a very difficult task indeed, even for someone with more money than
I.
> Couldn't be easier.
Really?
Yeah, I saw that.
> Despite my telling him to have his 'American attorney' to email me,
> he hasn't.
LOL.
> Yep, he is a right fuckwit and a half....
Going on all the evidence available to me I whole-heartedly agree.
Cheers,
Ahh, okay.
>> Expensive, I doubt I could get those on prescription.
>
> Bash someone LOL...
Hehee! Would that work? <g>
> hmmm see if you are able to get it on disability
> if you are eligible
Pharmac subsidises the fibre I'm taking now, the cheapest product that will
do the job. (I'm not complaining.) They (quite rightly) don't like to fork
out more than they need to because the patient doesn't like the taste of the
cheap version.
>>> I sympathise!
>>
>> Heh! Thanks. I'm gonna look into sourcing linseeds and a coffee
>> grinder, see if it's an affordable option as it has so much more than
>> just fibre to offer.
>
> Yeah if you can get a good 'side effect' why not!
Yup. Not only does linseed have fibre (less than psyllium husk...) but it
hase omega 3's and some other goodies. If affordable it'd be a good adjunct
to the psyllium husk powder. I don't see it as a replacement though,
monetary issues being taken into account.
It does sound good. However, my diet is rather restricted and I can't see
many places where I could use the roasted seeds. Also, everything I've read
in that last day or so says that the seeds have to be pulverised for the
nutrients and fibre to become bio-available. With my teeth, chewing enough
to make sure every little seed is crushed would be difficult indeed. <g>
Cheers,
It may be worth making an appointment with a dietitian at your local
public hospital - they have to consider and develop diets for people
with different medical requirements, and may have some information
readily available.
>On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:11:46 +1200, ~misfit~ <misfi...@hooya.com.au>
>wrote in <news:488e6e52$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>:
>
>> I like my porridge thick but this is ridiculous. A hard-to-swallow glutinous
>> mass.
>>
>> I heard that it's best to eat dietry fibre *with* food rather than in a
>> glass as a supplement between meals so tried this. Never again. I'll drink
>> the damn stuff halfway through the meal instead and hope that works. (It
>> does work OK as a thickener in stews and bolognese sauce etc...)
>
>Have you tried arrowroot?
Cornflour?
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
I have some blasting *liquid* here, Lactulose, that I also got on
prescription. I try to avoid it though as it has some nasty side-effects
such as extremely urgent and unpredicable need for a toilet, prolific gas
production and sphincter leakage. Not exactly desirable, hence the
preference for the more natural, although not pleasant to drink, "Metamucus"
thrice daily.
> In short, although your dietary advice is sound for general health in
> the average person in ordinary circumstances, when it comes to people
> who *need* laxatives you don't know what you're talking about.
LOL, eloquently put.
I'm not the one hiding behind an alias. Also, you claim to have "always"
known me, well enough to tell my future. I don't remember you in Waipara, or
Glen Murray, or even here in Pukekohe. You don't know me fool. You dream of
knowing me.
And if you think I'm a coward, agree to meet me face-to-face and call me
that, to my face. After you waive your right to charge me with assault. I'll
break my life-long habit of pacifism. It might put myself in bed for a month
but it'd be worth it.
> Your account of your activities before the recent storm and your
> invalid status will raise a few eyebrows at WINZ.
I doubt it. They know exactly what my injuries are and that, if I'm properly
medicated, I am able to do things that I can't afford to pay someone to do,
such as secure my aerial, and that I usually suffer for a long time
afterwards because of it.
> Invalids aren't able to climb up on roofs or do any of the things
> you describe.
So you're an expert on who is and who isn't an invalid huh? That would make
you a doctor, or in my case an orthopedic surgeon. Why would you be wasting
your time being a prick in a newsgroup? You can make far more money worrking
your trade.
>You are a malingerer, a bludger and a sponge.
Your opinion isn't worth the bandwidth it requires to download, hence the
reason I keep updating my killfile and you try to wriggle your slimy way out
of it. Again.
> WINZ will be laughing.
Actually they're a rather sombre lot.
Back in my killfile dickwad. There's nothing worse than somebody who doesn't
know when their opinion isn't wanted and insists on following you around
changing their disguise.
<re-re-plonk>
You can buy it already ground from the bulk bins at Pack-n-save or New
World.(can't remember which) Don't think there is much price difference.
Handy to know, however, from what I've read it loses a lot of it's goodness
within weeks of being ground.
I'll check out the local Pak'n Save next time I go shopping, if they stock
it and it's reasonably priced I might go the whole seed/grinder route.
Briscoes are having a cash crisis ATM right? They're bound to have a coffee
grinder at a good price. I know nothing about them but Breville seem to be
reasonable quailty small kitchen appliances at reasonable prices. <shrug> We
shall see...
Cheers,
And you call me a coward.
Thanks for that threat, printed *and* saved in case I need it later to prove
malicious intent. The family for whom I'm recording Shortland Street is due
back next week from their 2 month holiday to Europe and Asia, the father is
a renowned lawyer and holds public office. He's often told me he 'owes me
one' as I maintain the family's computers FOC and am a family friend. I
might talk to him about a civil suit if anything eventuates from your
threats, even when your bluster is compared to X-rays and medical testimony
and discarded.
<sigh>
<re-re-re-plonk>
--
Shaun.
>Somewhere on teh intarweb "Yeah Right" typed:
>> On , , Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:00:45 +1200, Re: Don't mix your
>> metamucil with your porridge..., "~misfit~"
>> <misfi...@hooya.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> I'm leaving it up to WINZ.
>> You will regret posting here.
Greg is very good at this!
And he has publicly on more than one occasion, posted about looking up the BDM cd's, electoral rolls
etc.
And he's not to proud to post details of where people live, their phone numbers etc.
YET, when it comes to my posting urls from church online newsgroups etc, he screams 'violation of
his privacy' etc...
>
>And you call me a coward.
>
>Thanks for that threat, printed *and* saved in case I need it later to prove
>malicious intent. The family for whom I'm recording Shortland Street is due
>back next week from their 2 month holiday to Europe and Asia, the father is
>a renowned lawyer and holds public office. He's often told me he 'owes me
>one' as I maintain the family's computers FOC and am a family friend. I
>might talk to him about a civil suit if anything eventuates from your
>threats, even when your bluster is compared to X-rays and medical testimony
>and discarded.
>
><sigh>
>
><re-re-re-plonk>
If you can sort out the trash, email me as I have a varied collection of Greg's threats, postings of
other's details, et al not only made against me but others that I can send your way if needed.
Cath
I bought a Breville coffee grinder (BarAroma) at Briscoes about 3 weeks
ago (not on special) for around $150/160. Hardly Normal had the same
model for around a similar price. The burr conical grinder gives better
results than the cheaper blade models.
In the meantime it is probably cheaper to buy it already ground.
Cam
Thanks for this Cath. For some reason I didn't see your post but Smeg
nym-shifted *again* so I saw it through his post.
LOL, irony.
> I love the way you admit here that you have been stalking me and
> collecting my posts specifically.
> It's sad but understandable.
> I still need your real name and physical address so I can have
> papers served on you.
<re-re-re-re-plonk>
Hi Cam,
Hmmm, yeah, that's a bit more expensive for the grinder than I'd have
thought. I doubt I'd have much joy with my pestle and mortar either. ;-)
I could try the ready ground linseed I guess. However, all literature I
could fine on the subject suggests that, although the fibre content stays
the same, there is a significant loss of desirable micro-nutrients after a
week of being ground and that the omega 3 fatty acids start to break down.
As it's lower in fibre than the fully subsidised psyllium husk powder that
I'm prescribed my main reason for taking it would be for the added
micronutrients and omega 3.
If you are just going to use the grinder for the linseed and not for
coffee, there is no reason that you would need a burr grinder - a
whirling-blade grinder would do the job as well - perhaps better. I
should expect you would be able to pick up a whirling-blade grinder -
possibly from the Red Shed or somewhere similar, and still have at least
enough left out of $50 for a decent cup of coffee (not Donald Duck muck).
--
- Nic.
Cheers Nic.
>On , , Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:44:17 -0500, Re: Don't mix your
>metamucil with your porridge...,
>I love the way you admit here that you have been stalking me and
>collecting my posts specifically.
>It's sad but understandable.
>I still need your real name and physical address so I can have
>papers served on you.
Greg, I was talking *about you* NOT *to you*.
See you always have to jump in and make yourself known...
Stalker...
Cath
I had bought the grinder to go with an expresso machine. You have to
watch Briscoes and know exactly what want, what everybody else's prices
are, and which model you pick up and take to the checkout, when you're
buying in their 'sales'.
I was told that the outer shell on the linseed was very tough and the
seed could pass right through the gut before it was broken down. Using
the mortar and pestle would break the shell and allow the digestive
juices/acids get to the fibre inside. Don't ever drop them, it will take
a couple of weeks to find them all.
But hey ! fully subsidised psyllium husk powder's good too :>)
Cam
>On , , Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:25:39 -0500, Re: Don't mix your
>some papers served on you.
Stalker...
Cath
Yup, I've read that in several places too, the reason why, although toasted
may taste nice, it's not the route I'm going.
> Using
> the mortar and pestle would break the shell and allow the digestive
> juices/acids get to the fibre inside.
Yeah. Painstaking process though.
> Don't ever drop them, it will
> take a couple of weeks to find them all.
Heh!
> But hey ! fully subsidised psyllium husk powder's good too :>)
Sure is. However, the other goodies in linseed besides the fibre have caught
my interest (the bits that denature within a week of grinding).
I shall look about when I next go out.
LOL
Yeah, I have sensitive teeth so sometimes mix it in tepid water - have
to chug it pretty damn quick before it coagulates!
Plain bran flakes are probably a safer bet for sprinkling on porridge,
or drink the metamucil from the glass immediately before or after. :o)
Rachel
Supposedly it can have a 'regulating' effect either way.
Rachel
Try the orange flavoured sugar-free stuff, it's like raro.
Or I think you can mix the unflavoured stuff with juice too.
Rachel
Might be worth checking out TradeMe - some of these are very cheap -
even a hand grinder in there:
cheers
Rachel
I can imagine. When I first started taking it I'd have it first thing in the
morning while I was making a coffee, right after my meds. It took me a while
of being undermedicated to Google and confirm my thought; It's not good to
take it close to the same time as oral medication as it can coagulate around
the pills and they can be carried through into the large intestine
unabsorbed. The GP didn't think to tell me, probably doesn't even know.
> Plain bran flakes are probably a safer bet for sprinkling on porridge,
> or drink the metamucil from the glass immediately before or after. :o)
Yeah, that's the MO now, immediately before the porridge, at least 20
minutes after the morning meds and coffee. :-)
Cheers,
Thanks Rachel, that's a good idea. I like the idea of a hand-operated
grinder. However, it looks like the point is moot, my local Pak'n Save
doesn't stock linseeds. :-( I'll look in Foodtown next time I'm over that
way and if they don't have them I'll not bother as they're the only two
supermarkets in Pukekohe. Oh, there is one Indian-run bulk-foods store that
has a lot of Indian spices and so on. The majority of the world's linseeds
are grown in India, I supose that could make a trip to that store
worthwhile.