Re: CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY
peterwn
> CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY
>
> 29 October 2010
> A former District Court Judge convicted of 8 charges of fraud has been appointed
> to the Complaints Committee of the New Zealand Law Society. Mr Robert Hesketh
> (pictured) fled the bench and was struck off as a lawyer after his 1997 criminal
> conviction.
What was the total amount defrauded?
What happened to the other judge similarly caught out?
peterwn
> On , , Sun, 22 May 2011 12:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Re: CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW
> ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY, peterwn <pete...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> >On May 22, 11:24 pm, Msgr Scooter <aqc.zw...@fshccqg.123> wrote:
> >> CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY
>
> >> 29 October 2010
> >> A former District Court Judge convicted of 8 charges of fraud has been appointed
> >> to the Complaints Committee of the New Zealand Law Society. Mr Robert Hesketh
> >> (pictured) fled the bench and was struck off as a lawyer after his 1997 criminal
> >> conviction.
> >What was the total amount defrauded?
>
> The fact that a judge, who sits in judgement on other people, commits a crime
> that he sentences other people for, is getting a very plush and well paid job
> after shutting up and keeping his head down, is galling and sticks in my craw.
> Only a group like the Law Society could do such an unprincipled thing like that.
> It was enough for him to be fired from his job as a district court judge.
>
> >What happened to the other judge similarly caught out?
>
>
To refresh your memory, he 'sat tight', the Justice Minister had no
legal grounds to remove him. He was 'transferred' from general court
duties to handling ACC appeals - he would not even have taken a drop
in pay.
Robert Hesketh could similarly have sat tight and if so would have
remained a judge.
Roger Dewhurst
> CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY
>
> 29 October 2010
> A former District Court Judge convicted of 8 charges of fraud has been appointed
> to the Complaints Committee of the New Zealand Law Society. Mr Robert Hesketh
> (pictured) fled the bench and was struck off as a lawyer after his 1997 criminal
> subject of complaint for alleged unethical conduct.
>
> The revelation has turned heads in a Law Society accustomed to unconventional
> appointments.
>
> Lawyer-turned-non-lawyer-turned lawyer-again Duncan Webb jumped from Law Society
> Committee Member three years ago to become "Lay Observer" over Law Society
> complaint appeals. Mr Webb was caught-out practicing without a certificate
> after abruptly leaving this lay post in January 2009. Three parties filed
> complaints against Webb. The Law Society responded by refusing to open a file
> in relation to Mr Webb practicing law without a licence, claiming they had no
> jurisdiction over "non-lawyers" even though their former committee member was
> claiming to be a partner of Lane Neave in Christchurch. Mr Webb was granted his
> practising certificate a week later.
>
> www.kiwisfirst.co.nz
The law societies, the engineering institutions and the medical
practicioners societies have all passed their use-by date. What is
needed is a single profectional ethics authority comprised of lawyers,
doctors, engineers, vets, foresters, chemists, biologists and geologists
which will manage all the professional ethics, competency and matters of
dishonesty among all professionals.
R
colp
> The law societies, the engineering institutions and the medical
> practicioners societies have all passed their use-by date. What is
> needed is a single profectional ethics authority comprised of lawyers,
> doctors, engineers, vets, foresters, chemists, biologists and geologists
> which will manage all the professional ethics, competency and matters of
> dishonesty among all professionals.
Science has nothing to do with ethics. If you want something done
right, do it yourself.
Mo
You truly are a simpleton. You have not the slightest idea of what you
are talking about.
Newsman
<pet...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>On May 22, 11:24=A0pm, Msgr Scooter <aqc.zw...@fshccqg.123> wrote:
>> CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY
>>
>> 29 October 2010
>> A former District Court Judge convicted of 8 charges of fraud has been ap=
>pointed
>> to the Complaints Committee of the New Zealand Law Society. =A0Mr Robert =
>Hesketh
>> (pictured) fled the bench and was struck off as a lawyer after his 1997 c=
>riminal
>> conviction. =A0
>What was the total amount defrauded?
No matter. He's a convicted criminal. EOS.
(Word is, your wife has once been only just a teeny-weeny bit
pregnant.)
Newsman
Even so, in the Land of Mutual Backstroking Mateship...
...quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Roger Dewhurst
Exactly. Some are too thick to see that lawyers should not be left to
discipline their mates and that the same applies to other professionals.
R
Roger Dewhurst
The original post was about lawyers disciplining themselves; or did you
not notice?
Science has as much to do with ethics as law, engineering, medicine,
veterinary science or dentistry, indeed rather more than law where truth
depends on which side of the table the lawyer is sitting!
Your last sentence has nothing to do with the issue. You might just as
well have said that it will be a full moon on Friday.
R
Roger Dewhurst
I have and you have not. You demonstrate that each time you scribble to
this NG.
Newsman
<dewh...@wave.co.nz> wrote:
Behind every successful crook, there's a lawyer trying to outdo him.
Stex
> CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY
>
> 29 October 2010
> A former District Court Judge convicted of 8 charges of fraud has been appointed
> to the Complaints Committee of the New Zealand Law Society. Mr Robert Hesketh
> (pictured) fled the bench and was struck off as a lawyer after his 1997 criminal
> conviction. He will now sit in judgment of New Zealand lawyers who are the
> subject of complaint for alleged unethical conduct.
>
> The revelation has turned heads in a Law Society accustomed to unconventional
> appointments.
>
>
Would there be any candidates left if they excluded lawyers with fraud
convictions?
Stex
Roger Dewhurst
R
colp
> On 24/05/2011 11:28 a.m., colp wrote:
>
> > On May 23, 2:46 pm, Roger Dewhurst<dewhu...@wave.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >> The law societies, the engineering institutions and the medical
> >> practicioners societies have all passed their use-by date. What is
> >> needed is a single profectional ethics authority comprised of lawyers,
> >> doctors, engineers, vets, foresters, chemists, biologists and geologists
> >> which will manage all the professional ethics, competency and matters of
> >> dishonesty among all professionals.
>
> > Science has nothing to do with ethics. If you want something done
> > right, do it yourself.
>
> The original post was about lawyers disciplining themselves; or did you
> not notice?
Yes, I noticed. What is your point?
>
> Science has as much to do with ethics as law,
Bullshit. Science is ethically agnostic.
sci·ence/ˈsīəns/Noun
1. The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic
study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world
through observation and experiment.
Newsman
wrote:
>On May 24, 2:08=C2=A0pm, Roger Dewhurst <dewhu...@wave.co.nz> wrote:
>> On 24/05/2011 11:28 a.m., colp wrote:
>>
>> > On May 23, 2:46 pm, Roger Dewhurst<dewhu...@wave.co.nz> =C2=A0wrote:
>>
>> >> The law societies, the engineering institutions and the medical
>> >> practicioners societies have all passed their use-by date. =C2=A0What =
>is
>> >> needed is a single profectional ethics authority comprised of lawyers,
>> >> doctors, engineers, vets, foresters, chemists, biologists and geologis=
>ts
>> >> which will manage all the professional ethics, competency and matters =
>of
>> >> dishonesty among all professionals.
>>
>> > Science has nothing to do with ethics. If you want something done
>> > right, do it yourself.
>>
>> The original post was about lawyers disciplining themselves; or did you
>> not notice?
>
>Yes, I noticed. What is your point?
>
>>
>> Science has as much to do with ethics as law,
>
>Bullshit. Science is ethically agnostic.
Nicely put. I was going to say Science is amoral, and can be no other
way. But you put it rather better.
>
>sci=C2=B7ence/=CB=88s=C4=AB=C9=99ns/Noun
WD
> On Mon, 23 May 2011 21:18:18 -0700 (PDT), colp <c...@solder.ath.cx>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On May 24, 2:08=C2=A0pm, Roger Dewhurst <dewhu...@wave.co.nz> wrote:
> >> On 24/05/2011 11:28 a.m., colp wrote:
>
> >> > On May 23, 2:46 pm, Roger Dewhurst<dewhu...@wave.co.nz> =C2=A0wrote:
>
> >> >> The law societies, the engineering institutions and the medical
> >> >> practicioners societies have all passed their use-by date. =C2=A0What =
> >is
> >> >> needed is a single profectional ethics authority comprised of lawyers,
> >> >> doctors, engineers, vets, foresters, chemists, biologists and geologis=
> >ts
> >> >> which will manage all the professional ethics, competency and matters =
> >of
> >> >> dishonesty among all professionals.
>
> >> > Science has nothing to do with ethics. If you want something done
> >> > right, do it yourself.
>
> >> The original post was about lawyers disciplining themselves; or did you
> >> not notice?
>
> >Yes, I noticed. What is your point?
>
> >> Science has as much to do with ethics as law,
>
> >Bullshit. Science is ethically agnostic.
>
> Nicely put. I was going to say Science is amoral, and can be no other
> way. But you put it rather better.
Science may be amoral, but ethics shouldn't be scientifically
illiterate.
Weihana.
Dogsiehxnihtgewg (it is Welsh)
> CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY
>
> 29 October 2010
> A former District Court Judge convicted of 8 charges of fraud has been appointed
> to the Complaints Committee of the New Zealand Law Society. Mr Robert Hesketh
> (pictured) fled the bench and was struck off as a lawyer after his 1997 criminal
> conviction. He will now sit in judgment of New Zealand lawyers who are the
> subject of complaint for alleged unethical conduct.
>
> The revelation has turned heads in a Law Society accustomed to unconventional
> appointments.
>
> Committee Member three years ago to become "Lay Observer" over Law Society
> complaint appeals. Mr Webb was caught-out practicing without a certificate
> after abruptly leaving this lay post in January 2009. Three parties filed
> complaints against Webb. The Law Society responded by refusing to open a file
> in relation to Mr Webb practicing law without a licence, claiming they had no
> jurisdiction over "non-lawyers" even though their former committee member was
> claiming to be a partner of Lane Neave in Christchurch. Mr Webb was granted his
> practising certificate a week later.
>
> www.kiwisfirst.co.nz
> "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor
> to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
> Anatole France.
tedium, Google and copy, why do you bother without adding your own
sacred word to it
Dogsiehxnihtgewg (it is Welsh)
> On , , Sun, 22 May 2011 12:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Re: CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW
> ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY, peterwn <pete...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> >On May 22, 11:24 pm, Msgr Scooter <aqc.zw...@fshccqg.123> wrote:
> >> CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY
>
> >> 29 October 2010
> >> A former District Court Judge convicted of 8 charges of fraud has been appointed
> >> to the Complaints Committee of the New Zealand Law Society. Mr Robert Hesketh
> >> (pictured) fled the bench and was struck off as a lawyer after his 1997 criminal
> >> conviction.
> >What was the total amount defrauded?
>
> The fact that a judge, who sits in judgement on other people, commits a crime
> that he sentences other people for, is getting a very plush and well paid job
> after shutting up and keeping his head down, is galling and sticks in my craw.
> Only a group like the Law Society could do such an unprincipled thing like that.
> It was enough for him to be fired from his job as a district court judge.
>
>
>
> "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor
> to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
> Anatole France.
Are you a lawyer? Then you are not qualified to seek redress of this
situation, you said it to me, so the principle stands.
Dogsiehxnihtgewg (it is Welsh)
so topping someone, instead of hiring a hit man you mean?
Roger Dewhurst
A professional person, and by this I mean any university graduate using
his or her skills to earn an income, particularly if self employed, is
or should be bound by ethics which are broadly similar from occupation
to occupation. Personally I believe that professionals should be
registered and that this registration should be withdrawn if the
professional behaves dishonestly, incompetently or unethically. This
already applies to doctors and is supposed to apply to lawyers but in
the latter case they generally seem to find a way out as in the example
cited in the first post.
R
bill ramsay
<aqc....@fshccqg.123> wrote:
>CONVICTED FRAUDSTER HEADS NEW ZEALAND LAW SOCIETY
>
>29 October 2010
>A former District Court Judge convicted of 8 charges of fraud has been appointed
>to the Complaints Committee of the New Zealand Law Society. Mr Robert Hesketh
>(pictured) fled the bench and was struck off as a lawyer after his 1997 criminal
>conviction. He will now sit in judgment of New Zealand lawyers who are the
>subject of complaint for alleged unethical conduct.
>
>The revelation has turned heads in a Law Society accustomed to unconventional
>appointments.
>
>Lawyer-turned-non-lawyer-turned lawyer-again Duncan Webb jumped from Law Society
>Committee Member three years ago to become "Lay Observer" over Law Society
>complaint appeals. Mr Webb was caught-out practicing without a certificate
>after abruptly leaving this lay post in January 2009. Three parties filed
>complaints against Webb. The Law Society responded by refusing to open a file
>in relation to Mr Webb practicing law without a licence, claiming they had no
>jurisdiction over "non-lawyers" even though their former committee member was
>claiming to be a partner of Lane Neave in Christchurch. Mr Webb was granted his
>practising certificate a week later.
>
>www.kiwisfirst.co.nz
i remember this, he was caught fiddling his expenses, he followed
the lead of the other judge, who sat tight. Hesketh fessed up.
took the punishment, which in hindsight, was a bit excessive, it
cost him dearly.
It was, what, twelve years or so ago, time enough i would have
thought.