Who still believes we should have sent infantry to Iraq.
grumpyoldhori
Any person on this NG still believe we should have sent Infantry
to Iraq.
One reason I have have heard, is that it is our duty to take casualties,
because the yanks are.
Oh,those in favor,are you in the military,do you have close relatives
in the Infantry.
grumpy
Pooh Bare
"grumpyoldhori" <grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I have friends in the military and maintain close ties though no longer
working directly for them. Personaly I think we did the right thing under
the circumstances.
Pooh
p.s. I do not talk for my military friends...
Rudy Canoza
Or, when you say the US and coalition forces should leave are you going to
live there in the aftermath?
“Anybody who doesn’t appreciate what America has done and President Bush, let
them go to hell” – Iraqi Citizen, voter Betty Dawisha
and Hyde@gmail.com Jekyll and Hyde
"Rudy Canoza" <can...@secu.rity> wrote in message
news:43A28AE5...@secu.rity...
I'll ask Ali Ismail Abbas what he thinks then.
Warning disturbing link...
http://www.maurouberti.it/immagini/Ali-Ismail-Abbas.jpg
Jekyll and Hyde.
WeeWillyWonka
I think we here in nz.general should do our part, grumpy, so I
volunteer you to be sent.
willy
grumpyoldhori
>
> I think we here in nz.general should do our part, grumpy, so I
> volunteer you to be sent.
>
> will
Greypower
grumpy
steve
The folks who think we should have invaded iraq are the same ones who are OK
with lying to start wars and trick people into "fighting for their
country"....and dying in the process.
Liars. Cheats. Killers.
Like the enemy they claim to revile.
WeeWillyWonka
>Liars. Cheats. Killers.
Steve's on the bottle again. Whatsamatter Steve, your kids told you
to eff off?
willy
Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr.
> I have friends in the military and maintain close ties though no longer
> working directly for them. Personaly I think we did the right thing under
> the circumstances.
>
I'd have agreed with you if it was only much later that we found out the
"threat" (WMD) was a crock and the whole thing had no justification.
The early excuse was that "well anyway Saddam was a monster so it was
important to liberate the people from his evil rule". Yet all over the
world there are evil rulers from whose rapacity and random cruelty the
people need liberation, and not a sossinge. So - getting slowly to the
point - didn't you think, right at the beginning, when Bush was still
working hard rarking up potential allies, "this doesn't add up, this has
the smell of hypocrisy and self-interest"?
A L P
baggly grimmel
"Pooh Bare" <je...@thisisparadise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:43a2...@clear.net.nz...
I agree that infantry should have been sent to Iraq.
>
>
baggly grimmel
"steve" <st...@linuxisgreat.org.nz> wrote in message
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Fuck off withers your brain dead commie dinosaur.
>
>
baggly grimmel
"Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr." <b|uebi...@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:43a2e917$1...@clear.net.nz...
Saddam was and is a monster and I for one am glad that he has been deposed
and that the long journey toward a democracy for Iraqi citizens has begun.
David
Strictly speaking they should not have gone.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
The election seems to be going well...
Bush and Blair might be able to pull it off...
-David.
thingy
It may not, there is no guarrantee it wont become a moslim extreamist
state, especially if the yanks run away which is looking likely.
regards
Thing
thingy
fuck off grimy, you facist pig....
See this achieved nothing....
Bush lied to get the oil, now its biting him in the bum and he is
looking to run away before the mid-term elections kill him. Americans
want thier troops home, lets see how many US troops are still in circa
2006....or how many alternative troops get roped in to take the
casulties....with US companies getting left with the choice long term
business leases on oil etc.....
He and his mates are lining their pockets pure and simple.
regards
Thing
Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr.
conditions, though I don't care whether it's democracy or something else
so long as it is what suits them. My point is however that the war was
sod-all to do with ridding the world of a monster otherwise why suddenly
pick on THAT monster? And was bombing the crap out of men women and
children and the places they lived and worked, the best way of doing
them a favour?
A L P
rob
"baggly grimmel" <ga...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Saddam was and is a monster and I for one am glad that he has been deposed
> and that the long journey toward a democracy for Iraqi citizens has begun.
>
>
Ok, since you say elsewhere that you think NZ should have sent combat troops
to Iraq let me ask you what it is about the Iraqis that make their freedom
worth the life of NZers and what is so special about the Iraqis compared to
say the North Koreans, who are at least alot closer to home.
I better add here that I was initally in favour of the invasion and
dissapointed that we weren't offering our support but since the whole WMD
claim has turned out to be a crock of shit dont mind admitting that Clark
made the right call.
Menoeceus
should have sent infantry to Iraq., "Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr."
<b|uebi...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
But Iraq also had the oil.
If your country doesn't have oil there is nothing you can do that
will attract the attention of the white knight to come galloping
to liberate you from evil.
baggly grimmel
"rob" <rob...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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The issue of Iraq is the issue of Iraq, the issue of Korea is the issue of
Korea.
>
>
rob
Fine, no arguement from me, but whats so special about the Iraqis that they
are worth Kiwi lives?
steve
> baggly grimmel wrote:
>> Fuck off withers your brain dead commie dinosaur.
>>
>
> fuck off grimy, you facist pig....
Dribbley never has anything else to say. Probably computer-generated.
rob
"Redbaiter" <redbai...@nbox.lv> wrote in message
news:43a47ed0$1...@news.orcon.net.nz...
> rob says
>
>> >
>> > The issue of Iraq is the issue of Iraq, the issue of Korea is the issue
>> > of
>> > Korea.
>>
>> Fine, no arguement from me, but whats so special about the Iraqis that
>> they
>> are worth Kiwi lives?
>>
> on TV One, maybe you wouldn't need to ask such facile questions.
Really? Maybe you would be kind enough to tell me whats so special about
the Iraqis
rob
>> Really? Maybe you would be kind enough to tell me whats so special about
>> the Iraqis
>>
>
> should be burdened with answering your dumb questions that are
> so often based on false premises, misinformation or just plain
> ignorance. There's a case for NZ involvement in Iraq, but its
> got nothing to do with the Iraqis being "special people" you
> time wasting leftist retard.
So hoping to gain an understanding of another persons opinions and their
reasoning behind them are time wasting according to you?
And there I was thinking this was a forum for discussion
rob
>> So hoping to gain an understanding of another persons opinions and their
>> reasoning behind them are time wasting according to you?
>> And there I was thinking this was a forum for discussion
>>
> You see...
>
> Your so obvious inability to comprehend the course of discussion
> here is another obvious pointer to the fact that leftists so
> often have an intelligence deficiency.
Course of discussion, Baggly stated that he thinks NZ Infantry should have
been sent to Iraq, I have asked him why. You jumped in so I asked for your
thoughts. Pretty simple really
>
> Why don't you try phrasing a proposition or an argument or a
> series of talking points rather than asking dumb question
> predicated on an idiocy?
Me thinks you have no answer to what is a very basic question.
Pooh Bare
> rob says
> should be burdened with answering your dumb questions that are
> so often based on false premises, misinformation or just plain
> ignorance. There's a case for NZ involvement in Iraq, but its
> got nothing to do with the Iraqis being "special people" you
> time wasting leftist retard.
I wonder if red has ever been a member of any armed forces (suspect not). He
seems to be quite happy to see young people die. I'd like him to give us the
case for NZ involvement in Iraq.
Pooh
Pooh Bare
> rob says
>>
>> "Redbaiter" <redbai...@nbox.lv> wrote in message
>> news:43a4a00f$1...@news.orcon.net.nz...
>>
>> >> So hoping to gain an understanding of another persons opinions and
>> >> their
>> >> reasoning behind them are time wasting according to you?
>> >> And there I was thinking this was a forum for discussion
>> >>
>> > You see...
>> >
>> > Your so obvious inability to comprehend the course of discussion
>> > here is another obvious pointer to the fact that leftists so
>> > often have an intelligence deficiency.
>>
>> Course of discussion, Baggly stated that he thinks NZ Infantry should
>> have
>> been sent to Iraq, I have asked him why. You jumped in so I asked for
>> your
>> thoughts. Pretty simple really
>
> the Iraqis. That is a stupendously dumb question predicated on
> an idiocy. It doesn't deserve any serious answer.
>>
>> >
>> > Why don't you try phrasing a proposition or an argument or a
>> > series of talking points rather than asking dumb question
>> > predicated on an idiocy?
>>
>> Me thinks you have no answer to what is a very basic question.
>>
> with the comprehension abilities of a garden snail.
Great coming from a time wasting dribbling rightist who merrily avoids
commenting on the subject and prefers to attack the poster.
Pooh
John B
Don't you get it yet? No one is talking to you.
John Cawston
Three good reasons:
The first is our perennial requirement for international trade.
As our dairy sector expanded 20-30 years ago, we had to expand our dairy
trading exports contacts, which was when we discovered Iraq. Hope this
table comes out OK.
Year Butter AMF Cheese WholeMilk Powder SkimMilk Powder
1979/80 3,441 --- 4,361 --- ---
1980/81 4,033 --- 3,801 --- ---
1981/82 1,000 --- 4,000 --- ---
1982 1,500 --- --- --- ---
1983 6,494 950 2,000 --- ---
1984 4,300 1,249 --- --- ---
1985 9,512 650 2,842 --- ---
1986 2,586 9 5,901 --- ---
1987 3,930 --- 1, 166 536 ---
1988 --- 634 499 --- 3,700
1989 --- --- --- 1,755 ---
1990 --- --- 1,250 4,432 ---
As you can see, the more people Saddam killed, the more dairy product we
sold him.
Similarly, the Gulf War and sanctions put a crimp in our trading and we
lobbied our Govt to sell our products to Saddam. To get around the
sanctions and get someone else to do the bribing on our behalf, we sold
to Vietnam, who onsold to Saddam.
Case study: In 1997-98, Vietnam imported approx. 1,200 tonnes of
wholemilk powder from NZ. In 1998-99 they imported approx. 15,000
tonnes, an increase of over 1,000 %. Of this, the Dairy Board believes
that approx. 10,000 tonnes of this product went to Iraq to meet a export
order through the UN Sanctions Committee. In effect, NZ was
sub-contracted. In 1999-2000 early indications are that a similar amount
of wholemilk powder will also be lawfully re-routed through this
conduit. This data is represented in the chart below (Source: NZ Dairy
Board).
*NZ Wholemilk powder exports to Vietnam*
Year Wholemilk Powder (tonnes)
1997/98 1,200
1998/99 15,000
NZ is thus a canny trader that sells to mass murderers and an artful
dodger of sanctions and direct bribery.
http://members.tripod.com/~ISMAG/trade.html
Its only sensible that we should have joined the Coalition to protect
our trading position in Iraq.
Second reason is humanitarian. We knew that Saddam had massacred 300,000
to 1 million Iraqis to perpetuate his control of the country, and
allowed up to 1 million children to die during the sanctions period.
Further, we knew he was responsible for at least a million combat deaths
due to his ill fated military adventures. We also believed that he was a
cold hearted user of WMDs to kill people and was happy to develop and
use more to control not only his own country, but those around him.
A moral country like NZ had a continuing duty to world affairs to get
rid of him and his menace.
Third. NZ needed to produce a united face to the Saddam horror, along
with our traditional allies of Australia, the UK and the US. Even if
only to assuage our guilt in dealing with the bastard and to make money
out of the Iraq reconstruction programme and attendant future trade.
JC
baggly grimmel
Humanity, what was so special about Tangiwai survivors being swept down a
river that they were worth anyone elses lives, for example.
Besides, which Iraqis?
>
>
baggly grimmel
You are a dribbling liar pooh. Typical tho, where has RB ever stated that
he is happyt to see young people die? Nowhere except in your imagination
you stupid dimbulb retard.
>
>
John B
>> I wonder if red has ever been a member of any armed forces
>> (suspect not).
> He
>> seems to be quite happy to see young people die. I'd like him
>> to give us
> the
>> case for NZ involvement in Iraq.
>>
>> Pooh
>
> You are a dribbling liar pooh. Typical tho, where has RB ever
> stated that
> he is happyt to see young people die? Nowhere except in your
> imagination
> you stupid dimbulb retard.
>>
Is he ever. The biggest retard thicko on the group.
Pooh Bare
"John B" <m...@anywherenearthere.com> wrote in message
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Now THAT has to be a bare faced lie. Unless your nobody m8;o)
btw just how many books on socialism have you read? Your continued refusal
to answer makes me feel youhavn't read any!
Pooh
Pooh Bare
"John Cawston" <rewa...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:do2tlb$qa9$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
Wow! Great reply thanks. Didn't know rge milk powder thing. Thank you for
that John. Wasn't as amusing as reds would have been though ;O)
Pooh
Pooh Bare
Next to you, you dribbling biggot.
Pooh
Pooh Bare
You mean it's okay for red to make up stuff but not anyone else?
Pooh
steve
>> Its only sensible that we should have joined the Coalition to protect our
>> trading position in Iraq.
Yeah....whoring Kiwi lives for a few dollars.
Scum think like that.
rob
"John Cawston" wrote in message news:do2tlb$qa9$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
OK, cheers for that, but Fonterra manufactured last year 1952000 MT of
produce. The numbers you've presented aren't even a drop in the bucket.
And I dont see how us joining the coalition would have protected our trading
position.
Got my numbers from the shareholders report, available as pdf from the
Fonterra website if you want to check my figures.
>
> Second reason is humanitarian. We knew that Saddam had massacred 300,000
> to 1 million Iraqis to perpetuate his control of the country, and allowed
> up to 1 million children to die during the sanctions period. Further, we
> knew he was responsible for at least a million combat deaths due to his
> ill fated military adventures. We also believed that he was a cold hearted
> user of WMDs to kill people and was happy to develop and use more to
> control not only his own country, but those around him.
> A moral country like NZ had a continuing duty to world affairs to get rid
> of him and his menace.
Fair one, but if Bush had given this as his *only* reason for ousting Saddam
he would have been laughed out of the Whitehouse. The invasion had much
more to do with the WMD claim and believed risk to the West, esp the US that
they presented. Since the WMD allegations have turned out to be incorrect
( I dont believe the deliberate lie claims, but perhaps a bit of emporers
new clothes syndrome) the risk was minimal. Long term who knows? but the
other two members of the Axis of Evil are further along in thier WMD
programmes and little but hot air is coming out of Washington about them.
And there are dozens of tin pot asshole dictators around the world, many of
them alot closer to home. The humanitarian reason was I believe given as an
infallible piece of propaganda for the invasion, but since WMDs haven't
turned up in anything close to the numbers expected the
humanitarian/democracy angle has gained a huge amount of importance. IMHO
>
> Third. NZ needed to produce a united face to the Saddam horror, along with
> our traditional allies of Australia, the UK and the US. Even if only to
> assuage our guilt in dealing with the bastard and to make money out of the
> Iraq reconstruction programme and attendant future trade.
It was a US invasion, since ANZUS is currently dead I dont see any need to
follow them into any wars. The Aussies and Brits were following the US and
Im pretty certain we were under no legal obligation to join in because of
them. Moral maybe, but the Brits have gone to war before without us and the
Aussies seem intent on becoming a fairly major player military wise (20th
largest budget iirc) and being close with the US is a major part of this.
And the US has many Allies much tighter than us that didn't take part.
>
> JC
Thanks, can always count on you for a reasonable and thought out answer
John Cawston
The same thinking that saw all NZ Govts, the Dairy Board and later
Fonterra seek a relationship with Saddam and continue trading with him
during the Sanctions throughout the 80s and 90s.
JC
>
>
>
Brian Dooley
<grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Any person on this NG still believe we should have sent Infantry
> to Iraq.
> One reason I have have heard, is that it is our duty to take casualties,
> because the yanks are.
> Oh,those in favor,are you in the military,do you have close relatives
> in the Infantry.
Didn't LBruce say he's a military man?
Perhaps he'd like to go.
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
John B
"Pooh Bare" <je...@thisisparadise.net.nz> wrote in message
>
> "John B" <m...@anywherenearthere.com> wrote in message
> news:kN8pf.8724$vH5.4...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>
>> "baggly grimmel" <ga...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:43a5...@clear.net.nz...
>>
>>>> I wonder if red has ever been a member of any armed forces
>>>> (suspect not).
>>> He
>>>> seems to be quite happy to see young people die. I'd like
>>>> him to give us
>>> the
>>>> case for NZ involvement in Iraq.
>>>>
>>>> Pooh
>>>
>>> You are a dribbling liar pooh. Typical tho, where has RB
>>> ever stated that
>>> he is happyt to see young people die? Nowhere except in your
>>> imagination
>>> you stupid dimbulb retard.
>>>>
>>
>> Is he ever. The biggest retard thicko on the group.
>>
>
> Next to you, you dribbling biggot.
You are NOWHERE near me, Thicko. You are a fool. A blind
auto-leftist-cliché-regurgitating blob of nothing FOOL!
Brian Dooley
<b|uebi...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>Pooh Bare wrote:
>
>> I have friends in the military and maintain close ties though no longer
>> working directly for them. Personaly I think we did the right thing under
>> the circumstances.
>>
>
>I'd have agreed with you if it was only much later that we found out the
>"threat" (WMD) was a crock and the whole thing had no justification.
>The early excuse was that "well anyway Saddam was a monster so it was
>important to liberate the people from his evil rule". Yet all over the
>world there are evil rulers from whose rapacity and random cruelty the
>people need liberation, and not a sossinge. So - getting slowly to the
>point - didn't you think, right at the beginning, when Bush was still
>working hard rarking up potential allies, "this doesn't add up, this has
> the smell of hypocrisy and self-interest"?
Allow me to say it again - I knew, and I said so then.
Brian Dooley
<ga...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"rob" <rob...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:Z7Gof.8432$vH5.4...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>
>> "baggly grimmel" <ga...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:43a2...@clear.net.nz...
>>
>> > Saddam was and is a monster and I for one am glad that he has been
>deposed
>> > and that the long journey toward a democracy for Iraqi citizens has
>begun.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Ok, since you say elsewhere that you think NZ should have sent combat
>troops
>> to Iraq let me ask you what it is about the Iraqis that make their freedom
>> worth the life of NZers and what is so special about the Iraqis compared
>to
>> say the North Koreans, who are at least alot closer to home.
>>
>> I better add here that I was initally in favour of the invasion and
>> dissapointed that we weren't offering our support but since the whole WMD
>> claim has turned out to be a crock of shit dont mind admitting that Clark
>> made the right call.
>
>The issue of Iraq is the issue of Iraq, the issue of Korea is the issue of
>Korea.
That means that he hasn't got a clue.
Brian Dooley
<meno...@mythology.com> wrote:
>On , , Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:17:24 +1300, Re: Who still believes we
>should have sent infantry to Iraq., "Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr."
><b|uebi...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>Pooh Bare wrote:
>>
>>> I have friends in the military and maintain close ties though no longer
>>> working directly for them. Personaly I think we did the right thing under
>>> the circumstances.
>>>
>>
>>I'd have agreed with you if it was only much later that we found out the
>>"threat" (WMD) was a crock and the whole thing had no justification.
>>The early excuse was that "well anyway Saddam was a monster so it was
>>important to liberate the people from his evil rule". Yet all over the
>>world there are evil rulers from whose rapacity and random cruelty the
>>people need liberation, and not a sossinge. So - getting slowly to the
>>point - didn't you think, right at the beginning, when Bush was still
>>working hard rarking up potential allies, "this doesn't add up, this has
>> the smell of hypocrisy and self-interest"?
>
>But Iraq also had the oil.
>If your country doesn't have oil there is nothing you can do that
>will attract the attention of the white knight to come galloping
>to liberate you from evil.
Don't forget about the asparagus.
Brian Dooley
<ga...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Pooh Bare" <je...@thisisparadise.net.nz> wrote in message
>news:43a2...@clear.net.nz...
>>
>> "grumpyoldhori" <grumpy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:wlvof.8375$vH5.4...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>> >
>> > Any person on this NG still believe we should have sent Infantry
>> > to Iraq.
>> > One reason I have have heard, is that it is our duty to take casualties,
>> > because the yanks are.
>> > Oh,those in favor,are you in the military,do you have close relatives
>> > in the Infantry.
>> > grumpy
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I have friends in the military and maintain close ties though no longer
>> working directly for them. Personaly I think we did the right thing under
>> the circumstances.
>>
>> Pooh
>>
>> p.s. I do not talk for my military friends...
>
>I agree that infantry should have been sent to Iraq.
To do what?
Get taken out by some gung-ho USAF F-16 pilot?
Brian Dooley
<can...@secu.rity> wrote:
>grumpyoldhori wrote:
>>
>>
>> Any person on this NG still believe we should have sent Infantry
>> to Iraq.
>> One reason I have have heard, is that it is our duty to take casualties,
>> because the yanks are.
>> Oh,those in favor,are you in the military,do you have close relatives
>> in the Infantry.
>
>Or, when you say the US and coalition forces should leave are you going to
>live there in the aftermath?
>
>“Anybody who doesn’t appreciate what America has done and President Bush, let
>them go to hell” – Iraqi Citizen, voter Betty Dawisha
Betty?
Wife of Fred?
Pooh Bare
"steve" <st...@linuxisgreat.org.nz> wrote in message
news:43a5...@news.orcon.net.nz...
Steve. Please don't atribe me to others comments m8 ;O)
Pooh
Pooh Bare
> steve says
> messages..
Just one of reds 15 (on average) one or two line hate messages. Much
preferable to his 3 or 4 paragraph tirades though.
Pooh
Pooh Bare
We shouldn't have helped feed the people of Iraq John? If memory serves me
right food wasn't on the sanction list.
Should a businessman refuse to sell food or the basic necessities of life to
the family of a convicted murderer?
Pooh
Pooh Bare
Which is different from a blind auto-rightist-cliché-regurgitating blob of
nothing FOOL! How?
John, I don't care that much that you don't bother to try and understand
what I post. But I'd expect someone who is supposedly as intelligent as you
infer yourself to be, to at least read his own posts! Ain't no claim you
make about me I can't throw back at you in spades. I'd call you a pedantic,
biggoted toe rag except it don't come even close to describing you and your
stupidity. Just because the world isn't how you'd like it and isn't liable
to in your lifetime if ever' is no reason to show your envy by attacking
left without ever having read anything about it (I'm working on your refusal
to tell me how many books on socialism as confirmation you havn't).
Pooh
p.s. if you have trouble understanding it find a 5 year old to read and
wxplain it to you ;O)
John B
> John, I don't care that much that you don't bother to try and
> understand what I post. But I'd expect someone who is
> supposedly as intelligent as you infer yourself to be, to at
> least read his own posts! Ain't no claim you make about me I
> can't throw back at you in spades. I'd call you a pedantic,
> biggoted toe rag except it don't come even close to describing
> you and your stupidity. Just because the world isn't how you'd
> like it and isn't liable to in your lifetime if ever' is no
> reason to show your envy by attacking left without ever having
> read anything about it (I'm working on your refusal to tell me
> how many books on socialism as confirmation you havn't).
>
> Pooh
>
> p.s. if you have trouble understanding it find a 5 year old to
> read and wxplain it to you ;O)
For a start, they wouldn't know what you are talking about
because their spelling is better than yours. They'd see you for
the thicko you really are right off the bat.
I'm 'envious' of people stealing money from me and living like
parasites? How do you figure that one, Thicko.
Pooh Bare
The same way you figured I was envying you! You worthless prat. btw who's
death ends a life membership on your websites forum?
Pooh
John Cawston
>"John Cawston" <rewa...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:do4vhv$kcd$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>
>>steve wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Pooh Bare wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Its only sensible that we should have joined the Coalition to protect
>>>>>our
>>>>>trading position in Iraq.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>Yeah....whoring Kiwi lives for a few dollars.
>>>Scum think like that.
>>>
>>>
>>The same thinking that saw all NZ Govts, the Dairy Board and later
>>Fonterra seek a relationship with Saddam and continue trading with him
>>during the Sanctions throughout the 80s and 90s.
>>
>>JC
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>
>We shouldn't have helped feed the people of Iraq John? If memory serves me
>right food wasn't on the sanction list.
>
>
But bribery was. That's why three of our companies are on the UN books
as participating in bribery. Now, they sold through third parties, but
at least one, Fonterra, is big enough to have known what was the score.
In a court room, such companies have been taken down because "they ought
to, or should have known" that they were involved in a criminal enterprise.
>Should a businessman refuse to sell food or the basic necessities of life to
>the family of a convicted murderer?
>
>
What we shouldn't do is forget is that we were in Iraq for the money,
and that a number of other countries were there for the same reason.
Collectively, a large number of countries justified their Saddam
cuddling on the basis he was better than the threat of a fundamentalist
Iran winning the Iran/Iraq war and ignored the known and suspected
atrocities on that basis.
The US performance, when judged against the rest of us, was distinctly
better but mixed, both before and after the Gulf War, but its the
country singled out for nearly all the criticism as the rest scrambled
for cover.
JC
>Pooh
>
>
>
>
>
Shane
You're suggesting we should invade Australia to *force* them to buy our
apples?
> The US performance, when judged against the rest of us, was distinctly
> better but mixed, both before and after the Gulf War, but its the
> country singled out for nearly all the criticism as the rest scrambled
> for cover.
>
> JC
>
>
>>Pooh
>>
>>
>>
>>
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baggly grimmel
Arghh!! So you admit you made up the bit about RB being happy to see young
people die. You are really as thick as pig poo pooh
>
>
John B
> The same way you figured I was envying you! You worthless prat.
> btw who's death ends a life membership on your websites forum?
What????????
Better be a bit careful there Thicko. If you aren't prepared to
say who you are, what your job is, and give your address and
phone number here, then be very careful of what you say about me
or may imply with your fucken nasty hate-driven crap.
Be careful where you tread and make sure you have facts to back
up your accusations.
I'll not have cunts like you bringing my name or business into
disrepute through slander or smears. GET IT CUNTFACE?
You wanna carry on in that vein, go ahead, but be prepared to
accept the consequences of your actions you fuckiong despicable
lowlife thicko.
John B
>> You mean it's okay for red to make up stuff but not anyone
>> else?
>>
>> Pooh
>
> Arghh!! So you admit you made up the bit about RB being happy
> to see young
> people die. You are really as thick as pig poo pooh
He really is indeed. A real nasty arsehole. He has even started
to smear me and try to bring my internet business into disrepute.
Bordering on libel. My business has no bearing on any discussions
in this group at all.
He is that fucking thick. If he keeps it up, he'll soon be
laughing on the other side of his fucking smug useless face.
Squirrel
you do have a lot to hide dont you, if you didnt you would have
ignored that post, but now that vein in your foreheadis pumping and
you are wetting your girkie knickers, does not look like a warning
looks like a thread, but how you gonna find him lol
Better be a bit careful there Thicko. If you aren't prepared to
>say who you are, what your job is, and give your address and
>phone number here, then be very careful of what you say about me
>or may imply with your fucken nasty hate-driven crap.
>
you go first lol
Pooh Bare
Good reply John. Thank you for that clarification.
Pooh
Pooh Bare
excessive hatred showing through? Now just WHERE in my statement did I bring
your business into disrepute? I don't and have never hated you John, just
felt sorry for you dreaming for something that's never going to happen to
the degree you'd want it m8.
Pooh
Pooh Bare
Not realy. But from what I've seen red post he's happy to let others die for
his ideals but has never been prepares ro do it himself. So I'll stick by my
statement rather than doa red waffle and go on about how the right are only
good at lies and conjecture.
Pooh
Pooh Bare
If that question is a smear and bringing your business into direpute WHAT is
the crap you've posted about me and MY business or is it okay to liabel and
smear socialists and leftists and what they do? Your a hypocrite and bigot
John. Methinks you like making up the rules to suit yourself you
hypocritical tosser!
Pooh
baggly grimmel
You seem unable to stick to any facts, make any reasonable contribution to
any argument and you know nothing of RB's history, military or otherwise.
Speaking for myself, I am not happy to see people killed regardless of age
so I was happy to see that after many years of UN waffle that the US took
the lead, oragnised a coallition and went into Iraq to stop the butcher of
baghdad from murdering any more of his citizens.
The sight of several thousand gassed Kurd corpses, all ages frozen by the
winter and the anguish they suffered for years under Saddam, freshly
murdered is a haunting image.
As and individual I can do nothing but I guess at the end of the day other
people, political leaders acted on their disgust and finished the situation.
I am sure that those living relatives of every dead Kurd is grateful that
they no longer face the same fate.
I think you live in a bit of a dream world Pooh.
>
>
Pooh Bare
Baggly though I disagree with much you post I can agree with much. red kf'd
me when I started to find out this info (I was happy to give it). I may have
come to an erronious conclusion but have seen nothing to change it.
On the subject of Iraq, it is without a doubt true that Hussein was a
murderous scumbucket in every way and deserved to be removed from power.
However though I believe the Americans have done the right thing I find the
reasons given debatable (though I try not to). I believe that GW pushed it
for reasons that havn't become aparant at this point in time though find the
war for oil argument a bit spurious. I think the world should be helping to
get Iraq on it's feet and believe the so called insurgents are in fact
terrorists from outside Iraq.
I to have seen those photo's of the Kurds and thought the world were a bunch
of arseholes to let it happen. Have to agree with your sentiments on what
the relatives of the dead feel.
My world may have some dreams in it but I'm pretty sure that like most I
know where the smoke starts n' stops ;O)
Pooh
John B
>
> "John B" <m...@anywherenearthere.com> wrote in message
> news:b0upf.8965$vH5.4...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>
>> "Pooh Bare" <je...@thisisparadise.net.nz> wrote in message
>> news:43a64553$1...@clear.net.nz...
>>
>>> The same way you figured I was envying you! You worthless
>>> prat. btw who's death ends a life membership on your websites
>>> forum?
>>
>> What????????
>>
>> Better be a bit careful there Thicko. If you aren't prepared
>> to say who you are, what your job is, and give your address
>> and phone number here, then be very careful of what you say
>> about me or may imply with your fucken nasty hate-driven crap.
>>
>> Be careful where you tread and make sure you have facts to
>> back up your accusations.
>>
>> I'll not have cunts like you bringing my name or business into
>> disrepute through slander or smears. GET IT CUNTFACE?
>>
>> You wanna carry on in that vein, go ahead, but be prepared to
>> accept the consequences of your actions you fuckiong
>> despicable lowlife thicko.
>>
> But it's okay for you to do it John?
How can I slander and smear Poo Bare, a ficticious entity? A mere
pen name for a ficticious person whom supossedley works for a
govt dept? How is that possible?
I use my real name and most people know it and what I do.
You have tried to bring my good name and business into disrepute.
> Did I touch a nerve or is it just your excessive hatred showing
> through? Now just WHERE in my statement did I bring your
> business into disrepute? I don't and have never hated you John,
> just felt sorry for you dreaming for something that's never
> going to happen to the degree you'd want it m8.
You get this striaght, and get it good, thicko. Don't you ever
dare attempt to bring my name or my business into disrepute on
this group ever again. You will be very very sorry if you do. I
promise you that.
Debate my arguments if you can (no hope of it actually) but be
very very what careful what you say about me personally or my
business. You are treading on very thin ice.
Do you get it, you fucking disgraceful pile of commie thicko
shit?
John B
You are Poo Bare, you silly thicko. You 'aint using your real
name. But you'll smear and libel people who do.
That's the difference between you and I. You are fictitious, I
am not, nor is my business you fucking drongo.
When I abuse you, I abuse Poo Bare. Who is Poo Bare? Nothing but
a totally fucked in the head commie twat.
baggly grimmel
Yes, I agree with you John that launching a smear campaign against a poster
outside of the news group is the lowest behaviour. Carman tried that, she
is a stalking psycho and the last thing any discussion group needs is mad
sickos marauding the real world.
So poo bare, get you act together, learn what the word discussion means.
Debate the issues and if you don't expect to be reviled here.
>
>
Squirrel
excellent so what is your name and occupation with proof, I am
assuming you will be reposting it now
Pooh Bare
Instead of making idle threats dumbo. Tell me just where outside your
deranged mind have I brought your business into disrepute? I've been up
front with you though you refuse to accept it because of your bigotry to
govt employees. If your going to cast slurs expect to get them back! If your
dumb enough to let out at much info about yourself as you have your a bigger
fool than even I thought John.
Now get off your high horse n' stop making dumb threats!
Pooh
Pooh Bare
I'm abusing a useless twat using the name JohnB. If your so open John why
are you now using a bogus e-mail addy? Your a poser and prat John.
Pooh
Pooh Bare
What smear campaign am I supposed to be conducting outside the news group?
John n' red have been conducting one for some time now. red hides behind his
killfile n' makes snide comments. Is that how upstanding behaviour? I've
done no more to John than he has to me! Or is this an example of the
upstanding right?
Pooh
baggly grimmel
Seems that you are more inclined to get into an abuse contest with JB than
to either read what he is saying or offer any real argument for or against
the issue.
>
>
>
baggly grimmel
There you go again Pooh. Why not stick to the issues rather than cart the
newsgroup all over the place?
>
>
Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr.
>
> I'm abusing a useless twat using the name JohnB.
Short for "The Sloop John B".
Don't knock a guy for changing his name by deed poll. Especially when
it's an obvious tribute to the Kingston Trio. Changing it to John
Kingstontrio would have just been silly. And as for having a one-letter
surname, how about Malcolm X?
> If your so open John why
> are you now using a bogus e-mail addy? Your a poser and prat John.
>
Of course it's handy if one has a common name like John, it's not hard
to be "open" and yet functionally anonymous. People with a name like,
say, NandorT might feel somewhat more reluctant to expose themselves to
attention from assorted weirdos who have access to computers.
And in the end on usenet people stand or fall by the quality of their
discourse. Which may be why those who lack quality like to think that
"real" (i.e. a name that at least sounds as if it could be their real
name but maybe isn't - who would know?) identity is the issue.
A L P
Menoeceus
should have sent infantry to Iraq., "John B"
<m...@anywherenearthere.com> wrote:
I'm going to love seeing this turn up in court. Such
entertainment, such fun.
Menoeceus
Your real name is John B?
Well I never, wonders will never cease.
>But you'll smear and libel people who do.
You have always been the foremost in abusing people, having
learned your trade as Russells tailgunner of course.
>That's the difference between you and I. You are fictitious, I
>am not, nor is my business you fucking drongo.
Tell us about this business little Johhny, if it really exists of
course which is highly doubtful.
>When I abuse you, I abuse Poo Bare. Who is Poo Bare? Nothing but
>a totally fucked in the head commie twat.
And here you go again with the abuse.
Are you really John Bilderbeck?
Menoeceus
should have sent infantry to Iraq., "baggly grimmel"
<ga...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Speaking for myself, I am not happy to see people killed regardless of age
What about kittens, kittens too young to even protect themselves,
callously slaughtered by you to prove yourself to an older man?
John B
> If your so open John why are you now using a bogus e-mail addy?
> Your a poser and prat John.
So you admit you are a fucking thieving lying cunt because you
aren't using your real email address here. You finally admitted
it. There may be hope for you yet, Thicko.
Oh, and what is a 'poser', Thicko? Or is that just a word you
read in your little red book but don't know what it mean?
John B
> Baggly, John can debate for about three posts before reverting
> to drivel. What smear campaign am I supposed to be conducting
> outside the news group? John n' red have been conducting one
> for some time now. red hides behind his killfile n' makes snide
> comments. Is that how upstanding behaviour? I've done no more
> to John than he has to me! Or is this an example of the
> upstanding right?
LIAR! You have used this forum to personally denigrate (libel) my
name and my business.
Here, you have no name except from the name Poo Bare. You have no
name nor business for me to libel and smear.
You have gone far beyond anything I have done. So don't prance
around on here saying you are giving me tit-for-tat. That is a
direct LIE!
Now, just try to libel my name and my business on this forum once
more. Come on.
I want the opportunity to show you what a right thicko c*** you
really are and make you pay for it. I want to see the look on
your fucked up face with it's whiskey-red bulbous nose when you
are ordered to pay me damages and my legal costs. I want you to
see the nice new car you will have bought me too, you parasitic
lying arsehole excuse for a human being.
How ironic that you choose a non-human name for yourself. The red
jacket fits you to a tee, too.
John B
"Myftrefs Voleftrangler Snr." <b|uebi...@clear.net.nz> wrote in
message news:43a8...@clear.net.nz...
> Pooh Bare wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm abusing a useless twat using the name JohnB.
>
> Short for "The Sloop John B".
Nah. Johnny -B-Goode
Menoeceus
You didn't take your medication this morning, did you little
Johnny?
Your intemperate outburst will invalidate any court case you try
and make, as will all of the last 3 years of your posts.
I hope that it gets to court and then is thrown out before you
get a chance to provide a single lie, causing and costing you the
maximum amount of cost and trouble.
You are making a real fool of yourself here Johnny.
Menoeceus
THICKO FROM JB, "John B" <m...@anywherenearthere.com> wrote:
>
>"Pooh Bare" <je...@thisisparadise.net.nz> wrote in message
>news:43a7...@clear.net.nz...
>>
>> "John B" <m...@anywherenearthere.com> wrote in message
>> news:b0upf.8965$vH5.4...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>>
>>> "Pooh Bare" <je...@thisisparadise.net.nz> wrote in message
>>> news:43a64553$1...@clear.net.nz...
>>>
>>>> The same way you figured I was envying you! You worthless
>>>> prat. btw who's death ends a life membership on your websites
>>>> forum?
>>>
>>> What????????
>>>
>>> Better be a bit careful there Thicko. If you aren't prepared
>>> to say who you are, what your job is, and give your address
>>> and phone number here, then be very careful of what you say
>>> about me or may imply with your fucken nasty hate-driven crap.
>>>
>>> Be careful where you tread and make sure you have facts to
>>> back up your accusations.
>>>
>>> I'll not have cunts like you bringing my name or business into
>>> disrepute through slander or smears. GET IT CUNTFACE?
>>>
>>> You wanna carry on in that vein, go ahead, but be prepared to
>>> accept the consequences of your actions you fuckiong
>>> despicable lowlife thicko.
>>>
>> But it's okay for you to do it John?
>
>How can I slander and smear Poo Bare, a ficticious entity?
Is your name John B or John Bilderbeck?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
John B
> Now get off your high horse n' stop making dumb threats!
Come on then, Poo. Bring it on. Libel me and my business here and
see what happens. See if I'm making a 'dumb' threat.
Here's your chance to prove your theory.
You are as thick and gutless as your words, Thicko.
Something for you to ponder. I have your ip and exact time of
your last libel post. So don't even try to imagine your true
identity is safe from being discovered. It isn't.
And seeing as how you are into being so open and honest, would
you like me to put your name, address, job and phone number
details up here. Should I do that, Poo? Should I follow through
with that? You could argue from a position of strength, then,
perhaps.
If I did that, it wouldn't be libel, now would it? But rest
assured, you smear me or my business again here and that is the
first thing I will do. The 2nd, is that I'll be buying myself a
nice new car with your money that you pay me for damages.
So bring it on Poo Thicko. Let's call your bluff.
Squirrel
braindead, if iut is just a yes or no we still have no idea who he is
fuck
Squirrel
so he has to yet you get your panties in a knot when asked to do the
same thicko lol
EMB
> so he has to yet you get your panties in a knot when asked to do the
> same thicko lol
Don't waste your breath Squizz, these zillionaires are all the same when
it comes to having a rational conversation.
--
EMB
John B
Go away. You are as bad as Poo Thicko. May be his twin perhaps?
Squirrel
then i guess ill just have to talk to you, wanna Tuborg, got some 4
xmas nice drop 2
EMB
> then i guess ill just have to talk to you, wanna Tuborg, got some 4
> xmas nice drop 2
Sounds good, but Tuborg doesn't travel well via TCP/IP so I'll just go
and have a rummage in the fridge and see what I can find...... Stella
will have to do.
--
EMB
Pooh Bare
You ARE delusional John. You've fabricated a total bullshit case from
absolutely nothing! You call me a thicko? I'd rather that than have your
delusion pwesecution complex.
Nice to see you've reverted to your true form m8. What happened to?
Pooh Bare
"baggly grimmel" <ga...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43a8...@clear.net.nz...
>
You've lost me Baggly. I'm not supposed to reply to John in the same manner
as he's doing to me? He made an accusation. I'm trying to figure how the
fuck he came up with it. He seems to have gone into total meltdown.
Pooh
Pooh Bare
>
> "Pooh Bare" <je...@thisisparadise.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:43a7...@clear.net.nz...
>
>> Now get off your high horse n' stop making dumb threats!
>
> Come on then, Poo. Bring it on. Libel me and my business here and see what
> happens. See if I'm making a 'dumb' threat.
Quote the fucking libel you dumc twat!
>
> Here's your chance to prove your theory.
What theory Einstein. That you've lost it?
>
> You are as thick and gutless as your words, Thicko.
>
> Something for you to ponder. I have your ip and exact time of your last
> libel post. So don't even try to imagine your true identity is safe from
> being discovered. It isn't.
Never tried to hide it John. I havn't gone into hiding behind a fake addy.
>
> And seeing as how you are into being so open and honest, would you like me
> to put your name, address, job and phone number details up here. Should I
> do that, Poo? Should I follow through with that? You could argue from a
> position of strength, then, perhaps.
>
> If I did that, it wouldn't be libel, now would it? But rest assured, you
> smear me or my business again here and that is the first thing I will do.
> The 2nd, is that I'll be buying myself a nice new car with your money that
> you pay me for damages.
It wouldn't be liable John. Irt would be an invasion of privacy though.
Where's the libel John???? Show me the libel! Your a demented prat.
It'd be a bloody tiny house John cause you'd either be laughed out of court
or charged with wasting it's time.
>
> So bring it on Poo Thicko. Let's call your bluff.
>
>
>
Your bluffing. Produce the libel if you can. Let us see if it's not just in
your mind John.
Pooh
Pooh Bare
totaly innocent of it. John also has a tendency of reading stuff into posts
that were never said. Suspect it's a trait in this ng as we're not the only
ones guilty of it.
Pooh