WHY ARE NZ GIRLS SO BAD
CMO
realise what a controversy I stirred up -
My hypothesis was indeed correct after looking at some of the replies:
The following supports what I said :
"By 30, it's still pretty much a rule of thumb that all the
good ones are already in a relationship or gay (or both :-)
I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
off"
So to Stacey - yes the tone of my first post was cynical - and I have a
right to be - but don't insult my intelligence - no - I don't approach
life like that - all people - or anything else for that matter.
Thanks people for all the helpful comments - its a shame that we have
some people here in New Zealand (a minority) that are indeed
calculating, think they are so smart with petty trendy comments (Tim?)
and basically don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves - this
came through in some of the replies I got.
So I stick to my original assertion - girls here in Auckland are
cold
snobs
very calculating
only after the big bank balance/Arnold type physique
I admit that there are exceptions -
So go ahead girls - hurl the insults
but remember what Arnie said in Terminator
I will be back!
cheers
chris
David Wilcock
I cannot comment about Auckland girls as I am from Wellington.
But as a number of friends from Auckland who visited Wellington not so long
ago said .."its a great atmosphere here in Wellington, it has a great feel
to it .....and it so easy to meet people"...they went on to say " if you
went up to a girl in a bar in Auckland and introduced yourself ....they
would look at you strange and tell you where to go"
I found this interesting as it reminded me of an experience a number of
years ago in Manchester .....University night club. When my cousin said dont
ask a girl you dont know for a dance ....of course I asked why ...he said
find out . Which I did...I was told in no uncertain terms to F**** off
Is this a reflection of todays society ?
I no longer have this problem as I am happily married .....not to an
Auckland girl or a Wellington girl .......to a chinese malaysian
girl........but thats another story.
My question is which woman make the best wives ?
David Wilcock
dav...@paradise.net.nz
CMO <c.o...@auckland.ac.nz> wrote in message
news:370ADFB9...@auckland.ac.nz...
Claire Hurman
>
> Love it ...had a great laugh reading your hypothesis
> I cannot comment about Auckland girls as I am from Wellington.
> But as a number of friends from Auckland who visited Wellington not so long
> ago said .."its a great atmosphere here in Wellington, it has a great feel
> to it .....and it so easy to meet people"...they went on to say " if you
> went up to a girl in a bar in Auckland and introduced yourself ....they
> would look at you strange and tell you where to go"
> I found this interesting as it reminded me of an experience a number of
> years ago in Manchester .....University night club. When my cousin said dont
> ask a girl you dont know for a dance ....of course I asked why ...he said
> find out . Which I did...I was told in no uncertain terms to F**** off
> Is this a reflection of todays society ?
> I no longer have this problem as I am happily married .....not to an
> Auckland girl or a Wellington girl .......to a chinese malaysian
> girl........but thats another story.
> My question is which woman make the best wives ?
>
> David Wilcock
> dav...@paradise.net.nz
Maybe Auckland girls are just much wiser, and are sick of creeps hitting
on them. I know that I would more than likely politely get rid of a guy
if he came up and hit on me in a bar. I have friends that are much
ruder, but I guess I'm just too polite.
claire
Roberta G
>
> My question is which woman make the best wives ?
A bigamist, if your question is literal ;-) !!
Roberta
Brian Harmer
David Wilcock <dav...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> My question is which woman make the best wives ?
Too late, I married her 29 years ago!
Lin Nah
>Maybe Auckland girls are just much wiser, and are sick of creeps hitting
>on them. I know that I would more than likely politely get rid of a guy
>if he came up and hit on me in a bar. I have friends that are much
>ruder, but I guess I'm just too polite.
I must admit I too would try to politely get rid of the guy trying to chat
me up at the bar. It is not so dangerous if you have friends with you and
there's someone watching after you - safety in numbers etc.
Some of them are going to be a problem if they start drinking too much.
There's always a safety thing one has to be careful of.
I think the best is when you get to know someone, ie become friends and
later on find out there's something more to it than friendship.
However not all successful relationships start that way 8)
Good luck to Mr Ohms.
regards
Lin
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Sarndra
CMO <c.o...@auckland.ac.nz> wrote in message news:370ADFB9...@auckland.ac.nz...
> Well I am back after having read all the posts here - man I did not
> realise what a controversy I stirred up -
>
> My hypothesis was indeed correct after looking at some of the replies:
>
> The following supports what I said :
>
> "By 30, it's still pretty much a rule of thumb that all the
> good ones are already in a relationship or gay (or both :-)
:-(.....shit...what a choice!!!!...for the female I mean....I was 'unattached'
between 30 and 36....i consider myself a 'good one'....maybe not stunning or anything
but i've a hell of a personality...geeze somethings gotta be goin for me....and I am
definitely NOT gay!!!!
Have heart mate....if you look too hard, you won't find it and whilst you are
concentrating so hard on trying to find a 'partner/wife' then you will lose the
opportunity to make friends :-)
> I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
> healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
> of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
> trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
Standards are something to be proud of...he obviously has them. Never settle for
less than what you feel comfortable with.
> A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
> thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
> I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
> exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
> what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
> off"
That is bloody disgusting...I personally could never imagine anyone I know of doing
that...how self centred of her....no tact.
> So to Stacey - yes the tone of my first post was cynical - and I have a
> right to be - but don't insult my intelligence - no - I don't approach
> life like that - all people - or anything else for that matter.
>
> Thanks people for all the helpful comments - its a shame that we have
> some people here in New Zealand (a minority) that are indeed
> calculating, think they are so smart with petty trendy comments (Tim?)
LOL...commmeee on....giveus a smile.....that was me :-) and I am NOT the trendy
type!
> and basically don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves - this
> came through in some of the replies I got.
>
> So I stick to my original assertion - girls here in Auckland are
>
> cold
> snobs
> very calculating
> only after the big bank balance/Arnold type physique
>
> I admit that there are exceptions -
>
> So go ahead girls - hurl the insults
Would we do that??? Well not us in Christchurch maybe....<G>
> but remember what Arnie said in Terminator
>
> I will be back!
Did it sound like that???? More like... Isle beee bark.....
> cheers
Aye
Sarndra
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> chris
>
James
it? (sorry I'm not sure if you're single or what :o) ) If you are single, do
you ever hit on guys?
It's a tough world where so many girls expect the male to make the first
move yet so often get angry when they do.
But again, I guess it depends on whether the guy is obviously being vulgar.
Claire Hurman <bugge...@spamming.bastards.com> wrote in message
news:370AF424...@spamming.bastards.com...
> Maybe Auckland girls are just much wiser, and are sick of creeps hitting
> on them. I know that I would more than likely politely get rid of a guy
> if he came up and hit on me in a bar. I have friends that are much
> ruder, but I guess I'm just too polite.
>
> claire
Buddha & Dee
> Well I am back after having read all the posts here - man I did not
> realise what a controversy I stirred up -
>
> My hypothesis was indeed correct after looking at some of the replies:
>
> The following supports what I said :
>
> "By 30, it's still pretty much a rule of thumb that all the
> good ones are already in a relationship or gay (or both :-)
>
> I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
> healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
> of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
> trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
>
> A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
> thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
> I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
> exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
> what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
> off"
>
> So to Stacey - yes the tone of my first post was cynical - and I have a
> right to be - but don't insult my intelligence - no - I don't approach
> life like that - all people - or anything else for that matter.
>
> Thanks people for all the helpful comments - its a shame that we have
> some people here in New Zealand (a minority) that are indeed
> calculating, think they are so smart with petty trendy comments (Tim?)
> and basically don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves - this
> came through in some of the replies I got.
>
> So I stick to my original assertion - girls here in Auckland are
>
> cold
> snobs
> very calculating
> only after the big bank balance/Arnold type physique
>
> I admit that there are exceptions -
>
> So go ahead girls - hurl the insults
>
> but remember what Arnie said in Terminator
>
> I will be back!
>
> cheers
>
> chris
Bugged if i know, but maybe it is due to the fact that 10% of people make
90% of the noise and unfortunately they happen to be 90% arseholes???
just a observation
Dee
Claire Hurman
>
> Does it depend on what kind of guy he might be? Or are you totally against
> it? (sorry I'm not sure if you're single or what :o) ) If you are single, do
> you ever hit on guys?
>
> It's a tough world where so many girls expect the male to make the first
> move yet so often get angry when they do.
>
> But again, I guess it depends on whether the guy is obviously being vulgar.
No, I think on the whole that any guy who would be so obvious as to walk
up and hit on you in a bar is a waste of my time. I agree totally with
what Lin said, I truly believe that the best relationshios come after
you have formed a friendship with someone first, and got to know them,
rather than gone straight in for the kill at a bar.
claire
James
someone simply being friendly?
I'm not a lady obviously so I'm relying on your judgement, but is the
difference between flirting and being friendly really that noticeable?
Ok that's dribble but I couldn't think of anything better to type :o)
Claire Hurman <bugge...@spamming.bastards.com> wrote in message
news:370B1473...@spamming.bastards.com...
David Herkt
>
> Well I am back after having read all the posts here - man I did not
> realise what a controversy I stirred up -
>
> My hypothesis was indeed correct after looking at some of the replies:
>
> The following supports what I said :
>
> "By 30, it's still pretty much a rule of thumb that all the
> good ones are already in a relationship or gay (or both :-)
>
> I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
> healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
> of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
> trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
>
> A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
> thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
> I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
> exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
> what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
> off"
Have you thought of trying men? Firstly it is easier, you don't have to
bother learning how a different body functions, and because you know how
your own buttons work and your partner has the same buttons and ditto,
well its pretty good when you get to each other's button. I think that
gay sex is better purely because of this knowledge.
Then there is the fact that you'll have a lifetime 'mate'. Its obvious
that you are not doing too well with the girls, so why not try men. Its
good having someone else you can repair the 4WD with, go to footie with,
go to the pub with, and get a damn good bonk from when you get home...
And you don't have to be on top all the time either. None of that
laborious struggling to mount a partner of the opposite gender, no you
can treat yourself and be on the receiving end for a change. Hell you
can alternate. Its fun.
Then, even if you don't get a lifetime mate, well gay men have the sex
thing pretty well organised like sex-on-site venues, yup you pay your
ten bucks and get a good bonking. Don't even have to buy roses. No
hitches and then you are home feeling better afterwards. So Go Gay - The
Great Modern Alternative.
D.
Gabriel
>
> David Wilcock wrote:
> >
>
> > My question is which woman make the best wives ?
>
>
Me and a couple of mates thought this would look good on a t-shirt
front - "nothing wrong with Solomon?"
back - "700 + 300"
Cheers
Gabe
Gabriel
>
> I'm not a lady obviously so I'm relying on your judgement, but is the
> difference between flirting and being friendly really that noticeable?
I'm not a chick either, but in my experience heaps of chicks dont seem
to know the difference between flirting and being friendly.
Gabe
David Wilcock
David Wilcock <dav...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message news:...
>Love it ...had a great laugh reading your hypothesis
>I cannot comment about Auckland girls as I am from Wellington.
>But as a number of friends from Auckland who visited Wellington not so long
>ago said .."its a great atmosphere here in Wellington, it has a great feel
>to it .....and it so easy to meet people"...they went on to say " if you
>went up to a girl in a bar in Auckland and introduced yourself ....they
>would look at you strange and tell you where to go"
>I found this interesting as it reminded me of an experience a number of
>years ago in Manchester .....University night club. When my cousin said
dont
>ask a girl you dont know for a dance ....of course I asked why ...he said
>find out . Which I did...I was told in no uncertain terms to F**** off
>Is this a reflection of todays society ?
>I no longer have this problem as I am happily married .....not to an
>Auckland girl or a Wellington girl .......to a chinese malaysian
>girl........but thats another story.
>
>dav...@paradise.net.nz
>>realise what a controversy I stirred up -
>>
>>My hypothesis was indeed correct after looking at some of the replies:
>>
>>The following supports what I said :
>>
>>"By 30, it's still pretty much a rule of thumb that all the
>>good ones are already in a relationship or gay (or both :-)
>>
>>I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
>>healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
>>of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
>>trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
>>
>>A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
>>thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
>>I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
>>exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
>>what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
>>off"
>>
Miche and Dave
<dav...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> My question is which woman make the best wives ?
That's as pointless as asking which man make the best husbands (to borrow
your grammar).
Everyone is an individual.
Miche
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|Thanks people for all the helpful comments - its a shame that we have
|some people here in New Zealand (a minority) that are indeed
|calculating, think they are so smart with petty trendy comments (Tim?)
|and basically don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves - this
|came through in some of the replies I got.
Which Tim are you referring to?
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Libitina
>I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
>healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
>of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
>trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
And..er... tell me more about this mate of yours
*g*
>A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
>thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
>I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
>exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
>what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
>off"
Well I have never been to Auckland but the place cant be blamed. I know we
have bitches like that here too. Still, I can't think of ANYONE I know that
would abuse a thoughtful gesture like that. Oh well, cant account for bad
attitudes I suppose.
--
Libitina
'Since brevity is the soul of wit, and tediousness the limbs and outward
florishes, I will be brief' -WS
Shell
[snip]
>
>So I stick to my original assertion - girls here in Auckland are
>
>cold
>snobs
>very calculating
>only after the big bank balance/Arnold type physique
so your header should have read why are Auckland girls so bad
stop lumping the rest of us in with them :-p
Shell
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you're so fucking special
I wish I was special
but I'm a creep
Nelly
<Lady_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>CMO wrote :
>>I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
>>healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
>>of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
>>trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
>
>And..er... tell me more about this mate of yours
>*g*
>
>>A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
>>thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
>>I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
>>exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
>>what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
>>off"
>
>Well I have never been to Auckland but the place cant be blamed. I know we
>have bitches like that here too. Still, I can't think of ANYONE I know that
>would abuse a thoughtful gesture like that. Oh well, cant account for bad
>attitudes I suppose.
I have to admit that I have been offended at receiving flowers from
someone and told him so. But would not say that puts me in the bitch
category.
The flowers came from a creepy guy that used to follow me round at
school with his tongue hanging out. He was also with an ex-boyfriend
who was killed on his motorbike and bragged about how he saw the car
backing out of the drive and Kieran didn't and he had to help scrape
Kieran up off the road. I never forgave him for that. I also ended
up working with this guy, at the time he sent the flowers.
Unfortunately we had mutual friends, which changed after the motorbike
accident and having to work with him as well there was no way of
totally avoiding him. I was also going out with Gus at the time who
then, was only my boyfriend. One day when I got home from work there
was a bunch of delivered yellow roses on my door step with an
anonymous note. After a few days of me asking around Carl admitted
that they were from him hoping to win my affections. I was very
pissed off and let him know as I had over the previous years. I am
very happy to say I have not seen nor heard of him in the last 10
years or so and hope I never will again.
Nelly. õõ
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In my experience, most guys dont seem to either. If a guy starts
talking to me in a friendly fashion I am quite happy to respond in
kind. But often they then take that as a licence to start flirting.
If I'm not interested I'll just walk away.
Stacey
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ta...@xtra.co.nz
>> A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
>> thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
>> I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
>> exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
>> what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
>> off"
>
>That is bloody disgusting...I personally could never imagine anyone I know of doing
>that...how self centred of her....no tact.
No it's not. Think about it for a little while without the desperation
for companionship. We're only hearing HIS side of it. If *I* were
working out in the gym, I wouldn't want someone bothering me during my
workout. I'm not there to pick up men, I'm there to sweat and
exercise. Now I've got some creep following me around to every station
and pestering me with his neediness. Then, he somehow finds out my
home address and sends me flowers, when I've already made it clear
that I'm not interested, but he's too fucking clueless to get the
point. So, after these flowers arrive, I realize that I'm going to
have to be a total bitch for him to get the picture, so I look his
name up in the phone book and make it clear to him. He's a pest and he
could well be a stalker and I've done my best to nip it in the bud.
That's how it might look from HER end.
*****
Reintarnation: when you come back to life as a hillbilly.
*****
ta...@xtra.co.nz
<Lady_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>CMO wrote :
>>I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
>>healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
>>of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
>>trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
>
>And..er... tell me more about this mate of yours
>*g*
>
>>A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
>>thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
>>I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
>>exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
>>what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
>>off"
>
>Well I have never been to Auckland but the place cant be blamed. I know we
>have bitches like that here too. Still, I can't think of ANYONE I know that
>would abuse a thoughtful gesture like that. Oh well, cant account for bad
>attitudes I suppose.
>
It's not a thoughtful gesture unless you KNOW the person well.
Otherwise it's a threatening gesture. Haven't you ever had some creepy
guy who followed you around and made an absolute pest of himself?
Flowers LOOK like a nice thing to do, but in fact, they can be
intimidating. What are you supposed to do when someone you have no
interest in sends you an expensive gift? You give it back. And if this
isn't the FIRST time he's been a pest, you chew his ass until he gets
it. It's not fun, it's painful. I admire the girl for having the balls
to call him up and tell him off.
Pssssst ...
> >
> It's not a thoughtful gesture unless you KNOW the person well.
> Otherwise it's a threatening gesture. Haven't you ever had some creepy
> guy who followed you around and made an absolute pest of himself?
> Flowers LOOK like a nice thing to do, but in fact, they can be
> intimidating. What are you supposed to do when someone you have no
> interest in sends you an expensive gift? You give it back. And if this
> isn't the FIRST time he's been a pest, you chew his ass until he gets
> it. It's not fun, it's painful. I admire the girl for having the balls
> to call him up and tell him off.
But hadn't they been chatting at the gym? So he wasn't totally unknown to her.
Maybe a dozen roses were a little over the top, but if some guy I'd been chatting
to at the gym sent me flowers I'd find it incredibly romantic, even if I didn't
fancy him.
If I had told him I wasn't interested and he started getting creepy, then is the
time to be a bitch.
Sheesh, no wonder guys are too scared to ask women out if they get shot down in
flames like that!
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Sarndra
Tim the Tower Man <timtow...@m.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:92348433...@pmr.ihug.co.nz...
> CMO wrote in message <370ADFB9...@auckland.ac.nz>...
>
> 8><
>
> |Thanks people for all the helpful comments - its a shame that we have
> |some people here in New Zealand (a minority) that are indeed
> |calculating, think they are so smart with petty trendy comments (Tim?)
> |and basically don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves - this
> |came through in some of the replies I got.
>
> Which Tim are you referring to?
he was referring to me and my little saying of "I don't think so ...Tim" ......
Sarndra :-)
Joe Blow
> David Wilcock <dav...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:92346270...@estelle.paradise.net.nz...
> > My question is which woman make the best wives ?
>
> Too late, I married her 29 years ago!
Arrrrr, Brian, that's soooooooo sweet!
Andy Gardner
Joe Blow
> Then there is the fact that you'll have a lifetime 'mate'. Its obvious
> that you are not doing too well with the girls, so why not try men. Its
> good having someone else you can repair the 4WD with, go to footie with,
> go to the pub with, and get a damn good bonk from when you get home...
And you can share each other clothing without getting funny looks in the
street. :^)
Andy Gardner
Brian Harmer
Joe Blow <bit.b...@zoom.to> wrote in message
news:1999040810...@ppp1-26.winz.co.nz...
> Brian Harmer <brian....@vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> > David Wilcock <dav...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> > news:92346270...@estelle.paradise.net.nz...
> > > My question is which woman make the best wives ?
> >
> > Too late, I married her 29 years ago!
>
> Arrrrr, Brian, that's soooooooo sweet!
Shhhh! I am just trying to compete with the Master of
the Net for point scoring with my own SO :-)
Adam P.R. Taylor
[snip]
Hey David,
Do you need a new toaster or something? :)
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Greig McGill
>It's not a thoughtful gesture unless you KNOW the person well.
I've been following this thread with interest...but interest has now turned to
ire.
It may not be a thoughtful gesture, but it certainly isn't in any way
negative.
You are correct to a point, in that all we have to go on is the male side of
the story, but really, abuse did not seem necessary. A polite no thank you
would have worked wonders...
>Otherwise it's a threatening gesture. Haven't you ever had some creepy
>guy who followed you around and made an absolute pest of himself?
Awww crap!
There is NOTHING threatening about flowers.
I'm getting really sick of this "all guys are potential rapists" attitude in
the so-called modern woman.
>Flowers LOOK like a nice thing to do, but in fact, they can be
>intimidating. What are you supposed to do when someone you have no
>interest in sends you an expensive gift? You give it back. And if this
Flowers are not exactly an expensive gift...well...not often.
>isn't the FIRST time he's been a pest, you chew his ass until he gets
But according to the (admittedly one sided) evidence, it WAS the first time he
had "been a pest" as you put it...
Shit...if some girl I barely knew sent me flowers, I'd be over the moon...my
fiancee might not be too happy, but it's just flattery - one can take it or
leave it.
>it. It's not fun, it's painful. I admire the girl for having the balls
>to call him up and tell him off.
She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
Greig McGill
ri...@sod.off.spam.bot.bastards.wave.co.nz - Remove the obvious...
http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/rider/ <-- The Still Website
"Welcome to me and my place" - Still
Weta
> A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
> thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
> I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
> exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
> what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
> off"
How would YOU feel if a guy sent you flowers?
CMO
ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:11:33 +1200, "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >> A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
> >> thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
> >> I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
> >> exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
> >> what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
> >> off"
> >
> >That is bloody disgusting...I personally could never imagine anyone I know of doing
> >that...how self centred of her....no tact.
>
> No it's not. Think about it for a little while without the desperation
> for companionship. We're only hearing HIS side of it. If *I* were
> working out in the gym, I wouldn't want someone bothering me during my
> workout. I'm not there to pick up men, I'm there to sweat and
> exercise. Now I've got some creep following me around to every station
> and pestering me with his neediness. Then, he somehow finds out my
> home address and sends me flowers, when I've already made it clear
> that I'm not interested, but he's too fucking clueless to get the
> point. So, after these flowers arrive, I realize that I'm going to
> have to be a total bitch for him to get the picture, so I look his
> name up in the phone book and make it clear to him. He's a pest and he
> could well be a stalker and I've done my best to nip it in the bud.
>
> That's how it might look from HER end.
>
Shell
wrote:
>David Herkt <dhe...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Then there is the fact that you'll have a lifetime 'mate'. Its obvious
>> that you are not doing too well with the girls, so why not try men. Its
[snip]
>And you can share each other clothing without getting funny looks in the
>street. :^)
howling with laughter here at both of these replies
- and niw sitting back and waiting for all the 'phobes to start
replying
this is better than the telly ;-0
CMO
Your post makes my point for me thank you.
1. You assume I am a creep - typical reaction from your kind of woman - you have never
met me!
2. Do you know how to read?? I said I HAD ALREADY CHATTED AT THE GYM - no I was not
trying to pester her for the first time - in fact she had said hullo on more than one
occassion and smiled etc - I am not a CREEP as you put it - WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH
MEN??
3. You infer I was being secretive - she had to look up my phone number NO YOU GOT THIS
WRONG AGAIN - I INCLUDED MY CONTACT DETAILS - you see I HAD NOTHING TO HIDE
4. Generally my impression of you is that you are just like the girl i sent the roses to
-
tell me - how would you expect a guy to actually get to know you if he liked you - is it
an offence in your mind that a guy has the balls to actually come and talk to you - or
even smile at you?
5. You have proved my point beautifully TARLA
Thanks for your bitchy attitude - typical of Auckland girls
Chris
ta...@xtra.co.nz
<Gloria...@spambot.get.lost> wrote:
>ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote in article <370bcf3e...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>> >
>> It's not a thoughtful gesture unless you KNOW the person well.
>> Otherwise it's a threatening gesture. Haven't you ever had some creepy
>> guy who followed you around and made an absolute pest of himself?
>> Flowers LOOK like a nice thing to do, but in fact, they can be
>> intimidating. What are you supposed to do when someone you have no
>> interest in sends you an expensive gift? You give it back. And if this
>> isn't the FIRST time he's been a pest, you chew his ass until he gets
>> it. It's not fun, it's painful. I admire the girl for having the balls
>> to call him up and tell him off.
>
>But hadn't they been chatting at the gym? So he wasn't totally unknown to her.
That's HIS version of what happened. Allow me to role play HER version
of it....I'm working out, some guy comes over and tries to start a
conversation with him so I'm polite while I finish my set, then I move
on. Now he considers us friends so he pesters me every time he sees
me, and because I'm a nice person and hate confrontation I don't tell
him to fuck off and leave me alone, but he can't get a clue from my
body language and lack of interest. I don't know him from Adam, and
MAYBE I know his name simply because he tells it to me while he's
bugging me. Chatting at the gym is not the same as actually meeting
someone and spending a few hours talking about your lives and/or
subjects of interest. It's something you do while waiting for a piece
of equipment to become available.
>Maybe a dozen roses were a little over the top, but if some guy I'd been chatting
>to at the gym sent me flowers I'd find it incredibly romantic, even if I didn't
>fancy him.
I'd find it creepy. It's too much too soon. It smells of desperation.
>If I had told him I wasn't interested and he started getting creepy, then is the
>time to be a bitch.
She may well have told him, but he didn't get it. Women here are
usually SO polite, even *I* have a hard time reading them.
>
>Sheesh, no wonder guys are too scared to ask women out if they get shot down in
>flames like that!
A more subtle move would have been to ask her out for coffee...and it
would have cost less. Or even bringing a single flower to the gym and
saying something like "I had a feeling you'd be here and I saw this on
the way. I hope you enjoy it."
ta...@xtra.co.nz
<apt18@_DIE_SPAMMER_DIE_elec.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
>David Herkt wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>Hey David,
>
>Do you need a new toaster or something? :)
Hey, I'm just happy to know that there ARE nice young men like David
out there recruiting for the other side. Right on, Son!
ta...@xtra.co.nz
McGill) wrote:
>In article <370bcf3e...@enews.newsguy.com>, ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
>>It's not a thoughtful gesture unless you KNOW the person well.
>
>I've been following this thread with interest...but interest has now turned to
>ire.
>It may not be a thoughtful gesture, but it certainly isn't in any way
>negative.
>
>You are correct to a point, in that all we have to go on is the male side of
>the story, but really, abuse did not seem necessary. A polite no thank you
>would have worked wonders...
>
>>Otherwise it's a threatening gesture. Haven't you ever had some creepy
>>guy who followed you around and made an absolute pest of himself?
>
>Awww crap!
>There is NOTHING threatening about flowers.
>I'm getting really sick of this "all guys are potential rapists" attitude in
>the so-called modern woman.
It's not about rape, it's about INCONVENIENCE, for lack of a better
word. Look, I'm 45 now, but in my youth, I had this problem a number
of times. There's a very creepy feeling about having someone around
who worships you, particularly when you have no interest in them...not
even as friends. You don't want to be mean. You don't want to hurt
anyone's feelings because you know how badly that feels, so you try to
ignore them rather than tell them to fuck off. You try to be friendly
without giving off any sexual vibration whatsoever, but some guys just
cant get past the way you look enough to realize that you're not
putting out the pheromones for THEM. And THEY think it's
encouragement. They don't have enough experience with women to be able
to recognise a gentle brush-off when they get it. It's very unpleasant
to have to be mean to someone and say, "I'm sorry, but you just don't
do it for me mentally, physically or spiritually," and I wish I'd had
the skill at 20-28 to be able to say that.
>
>>Flowers LOOK like a nice thing to do, but in fact, they can be
>>intimidating. What are you supposed to do when someone you have no
>>interest in sends you an expensive gift? You give it back. And if this
>
>Flowers are not exactly an expensive gift...well...not often.
A dozen roses isn't expensive? I haven't gotten any here (since my
husband doesn't believe in giving dead flowers and I don't know anyone
else), but back in the U.S. a dozen longstemmed roses costs about $50.
>
>>isn't the FIRST time he's been a pest, you chew his ass until he gets
>
>But according to the (admittedly one sided) evidence, it WAS the first time he
>had "been a pest" as you put it...
HE doesn't realize that he's been a pest.
>
>Shit...if some girl I barely knew sent me flowers, I'd be over the moon...my
>fiancee might not be too happy, but it's just flattery - one can take it or
>leave it.
>
>>it. It's not fun, it's painful. I admire the girl for having the balls
>>to call him up and tell him off.
>
>She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
Obviously he wasn't using them properly.
Nelly
>Hullo Tarla
>Your post makes my point for me thank you.
>
>1. You assume I am a creep - typical reaction from your kind of woman - you have never
>met me!
>
>2. Do you know how to read?? I said I HAD ALREADY CHATTED AT THE GYM - no I was not
>trying to pester her for the first time - in fact she had said hullo on more than one
>occassion and smiled etc - I am not a CREEP as you put it - WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH
>MEN??
>
>3. You infer I was being secretive - she had to look up my phone number NO YOU GOT THIS
>WRONG AGAIN - I INCLUDED MY CONTACT DETAILS - you see I HAD NOTHING TO HIDE
>
>4. Generally my impression of you is that you are just like the girl i sent the roses to
>-
>tell me - how would you expect a guy to actually get to know you if he liked you - is it
>an offence in your mind that a guy has the balls to actually come and talk to you - or
>even smile at you?
>
>5. You have proved my point beautifully TARLA
>
>Thanks for your bitchy attitude - typical of Auckland girls
>
>Chris
>
Sorry Chris but Tarla is not what you would call an Aucklander yet,
she has only been in the country for a few months.
As a female I am not exactly excited when I receive flowers from a
stranger, they are usually something that has come from a boyfriend or
lover, or you receive them in gratitude for something that you have
done (physically, not just for existence).
Instead of flowers next time, just try talking and maybe asking her
for a coffee after the gym or lunch on the weekend. Flowers seems to
be jumping straight in to me to territory where they don't quite
belong. I don't know what else you go on first dates any more its
been too long since I was in that scene.
Nelly, who is just another Auckland girl, well Counties actually.
Greig McGill
>On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 00:09:57 GMT, st...@discordant.noise.com (Greig
>McGill) wrote:
>>There is NOTHING threatening about flowers.
>>I'm getting really sick of this "all guys are potential rapists" attitude in
>>the so-called modern woman.
>
>It's not about rape, it's about INCONVENIENCE, for lack of a better
>word. Look, I'm 45 now, but in my youth, I had this problem a number
Inconvenience is hardly a good enogh reason to ring someone up and deliver
verbal abuse to them.
Now I will admit that we don't know all the facts - you could be correct in
your assumptions, in which case, fair enough. What I have a major problem
with is the assumptions you are making. You can really only offer comment
based on the facts as presented. There's no need to go inventing a whole
scenario which may never have happened merely to justify this unknown woman's
behaviour.
Questioning is fine. Everyone was sitting here merrily abusing this woman for
the position she took...you could have said: "hey wait, maybe it was like
this...", and invited the gentleman who began the discussion to comment
further.
>>She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
>
>Obviously he wasn't using them properly.
:-)
Lin Nah
I think your writing style is going to get you into trouble again 8)
I know I am getting used to it slowly. However the jump to the extreme,
no holds barred way you sometimes use will more than likely get backs up.
For the record:
I doubt Chris is the type to follow someone around in the gym.
I also do not think that Chris is creepy.
If it is the Rec Centre at Uni, there'll be too many ppl around for her
to feel threatened. However that rec centre is not short of oglers.
However you may have a point wrt the flowers being overwhelming.
Perhaps he misread things.
Let's not rub in the incident any further 8)
regards
Lin
ps Chris, Tarla just moved to NZ. I noticed you have classified her
as an Aucklander. Not sure if she'll like this, considering the context
it was in. 8))
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Greig McGill <st...@discordant.noise.com> wrote in message
news:7ehc8e$kf7$1...@news.wave.co.nz...
> In article <370c0fd3...@enews.newsguy.com>, ta...@xtra.co.nz
wrote:
> >On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 00:09:57 GMT, st...@discordant.noise.com (Greig
> >McGill) wrote:
> >>There is NOTHING threatening about flowers.
> >>I'm getting really sick of this "all guys are potential rapists"
attitude in
> >>the so-called modern woman.
> >It's not about rape, it's about INCONVENIENCE, for lack of a better
> >word. Look, I'm 45 now, but in my youth, I had this problem a
number
Snip
> Now I will admit that we don't know all the facts - you could be
correct in
> your assumptions, in which case, fair enough. What I have a major
problem
> with is the assumptions you are making. You can really only offer
comment
> based on the facts as presented. There's no need to go inventing a
whole
> scenario which may never have happened merely to justify this
unknown woman's
> behaviour
I suggest that equally we don't know enough to criticise her
behaviour.
For whatever reason, the offered flowers were taken as a sign of an
unwelcome advance. She has acted to make it plain that the advance is
unwelcome.
She doesn't have to justify or sugar coat the message that the
approach
is unwelcome. She might be less diplomatic than some of us would hope
for
but on the other hand she might be wanting no doubt about her
position.
The fellow took a punt and lost. Move on!
Brian Harmer
KaTnDaHaT
>For the record:
>I doubt Chris is the type to follow someone around in the gym.
>I also do not think that Chris is creepy.
>If it is the Rec Centre at Uni, there'll be too many ppl around for her
>to feel threatened. However that rec centre is not short of oglers.
-- In my experience Akl women tend to be defensive these days,
I guess it's only to be expected as society changes, I would
point out though that Australian women tend to be far more
open, even aggressive in romantic situations. Something I find
refreshing and down right scary at times :). It's not easy being
a bloke these days, my advice is think outside the square, don't
be too predictable...flowers almost scream STALKER if youve never
even had a date yet. Start with a casual offer for lunch if you havn't got
any creative juice flowing , it's non threatening and downright
delicious. You could always move to Sydney :).
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Sarndra
<ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:370bcf39...@enews.newsguy.com...
[SNIP]
> No it's not. Think about it for a little while without the desperation
> for companionship. We're only hearing HIS side of it. If *I* were
> working out in the gym, I wouldn't want someone bothering me during my
> workout.
Can't recall him saying he *bothered* her in any other way except for giving her
flowers...and to me personally that wouldn't be being bothered...
>I'm not there to pick up men, I'm there to sweat and
> exercise.
Shit...If a guy thought that i looked sexy whilst i looked in that state i'd be
flattered...not pissed off...
>Now I've got some creep following me around to every station
> and pestering me with his neediness.
There still are more tactful ways to politely say fuck off.....especially if it was
the first advance he had made. I sympathise with guys if they have to put up with
this sort of response from haughty up themselves females.
>Then, he somehow finds out my
> home address and sends me flowers, when I've already made it clear
> that I'm not interested, but he's too fucking clueless to get the
> point. So, after these flowers arrive, I realize that I'm going to
> have to be a total bitch for him to get the picture, so I look his
> name up in the phone book and make it clear to him. He's a pest and he
> could well be a stalker and I've done my best to nip it in the bud.
Well, in that case, lodge it with the police if it feels threatening...
--
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Sarndra
<ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
[snip]
> That's HIS version of what happened. Allow me to role play HER
Crikey :-)
You like this role play stuff huh!
Sarndra
Greig McGill <st...@discordant.noise.com> wrote in message
> She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
LMAO oh that's great lolol
Sarndra
<ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
[snip]
>Look, I'm 45 now, but in my youth, I had this problem a number
> of times. There's a very creepy feeling about having someone around
> who worships you, particularly when you have no interest in them...
I believe that American guys are more pushy than the Kiwi yokel.....
It would be disconcerting yes if that was the intention of the gift.....
tricia
>A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
>thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
>I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
>exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
>what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
>off"
so you misjudged the situation, move on, she doesn't have to justify
her reaction to you, she has made her position clear.
Tricia
"Political correctness is the language of cowardice"
Frank Zappa
Libitina
I wouldnt appreciate a stalker (for example) giving me flowers either. But
I was assuming that this guy who was complaining was a nice guy.
--
Libitina
'Since brevity is the soul of wit, and tediousness the limbs and outward
florishes, I will be brief' -WS
Nelly wrote in message <370bbe5d...@news.itconsult.net>...
>On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:27:16 +1200, "Libitina"
><Lady_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>CMO wrote :
>>>I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
>>>healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
>>>of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
>>>trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
>>
>>And..er... tell me more about this mate of yours
>>*g*
>>
>>>A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
>>>thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
>>>I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
>>>exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
>>>what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
>>>off"
>>
>>Well I have never been to Auckland but the place cant be blamed. I know we
>>have bitches like that here too. Still, I can't think of ANYONE I know
that
>>would abuse a thoughtful gesture like that. Oh well, cant account for bad
>>attitudes I suppose.
>
>I have to admit that I have been offended at receiving flowers from
>someone and told him so. But would not say that puts me in the bitch
>category.
>
>The flowers came from a creepy guy that used to follow me round at
>school with his tongue hanging out. He was also with an ex-boyfriend
>who was killed on his motorbike and bragged about how he saw the car
>backing out of the drive and Kieran didn't and he had to help scrape
>Kieran up off the road. I never forgave him for that. I also ended
>up working with this guy, at the time he sent the flowers.
>
>Unfortunately we had mutual friends, which changed after the motorbike
>accident and having to work with him as well there was no way of
>totally avoiding him. I was also going out with Gus at the time who
>then, was only my boyfriend. One day when I got home from work there
>was a bunch of delivered yellow roses on my door step with an
>anonymous note. After a few days of me asking around Carl admitted
>that they were from him hoping to win my affections. I was very
>pissed off and let him know as I had over the previous years. I am
>very happy to say I have not seen nor heard of him in the last 10
>years or so and hope I never will again.
>
>
>Nelly. õõ
> ¿
> ~
>ICQ 14823033
Libitina
ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote :
>It's not a thoughtful gesture unless you KNOW the person well.
>Otherwise it's a threatening gesture. Haven't you ever had some creepy
>guy who followed you around and made an absolute pest of himself?
Actually, no. What am I missing out on?
>Flowers LOOK like a nice thing to do, but in fact, they can be
>intimidating. What are you supposed to do when someone you have no
>interest in sends you an expensive gift? You give it back. And if this
>isn't the FIRST time he's been a pest, you chew his ass until he gets
>it. It's not fun, it's painful. I admire the girl for having the balls
>to call him up and tell him off.
If this was his first sign of interest, there are better ways to say no and
he can keep his dignity too.
Kerry
<wetagogo.le...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>CMO wrote:
>
>> A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
>> thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
>> I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
>> exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
>> what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
>> off"
>
>How would YOU feel if a guy sent you flowers?
I think the answer to that depends on how you feel about the guy.
If the guys is someone you are trying very hard to keep at arm's
length ie he is more keen than you are, it can be a very uncomfortable
feeling indeed. I certainly would not have been rude as this woman
was, but I would probably have felt uncomfortable if the attention was
unwanted. It could make the wioman in question much more standoffish
in future, because she is obviously conveying something she is trying
very hard not to do.
Kerry
PS oh and flowers from an object of lust are just well, great!
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Colin Francis
>
><ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>
>
>[snip]
>
>>Look, I'm 45 now, but in my youth, I had this problem a number
>> of times. There's a very creepy feeling about having someone around
>> who worships you, particularly when you have no interest in them...
>
>I believe that American guys are more pushy than the Kiwi yokel.....
oi.. get rid of your mind set ..All Kiwis aren't yokels..
>It would be disconcerting yes if that was the intention of the gift.....
* Col *
"Stop that son or you'll go blind ! "
"I'm over here Dad ! "
Colin Francis
>
>Greig McGill <st...@discordant.noise.com> wrote in message
>
>> She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
>
>LMAO oh that's great lolol
yeah ,,that means she has 4 now .. a ball bearing model you might say . -)
Sarndra
Colin Francis <cfra...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:37106b8d...@news.chc.ihug.co.nz...
> "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz> wrote:
[snip]
> >I believe that American guys are more pushy than the Kiwi yokel.....
> oi.. get rid of your mind set ..All Kiwis aren't yokels..
:-) are too...some are nice yokels some aren't hehehehe....and some are just plain
smart like you ya debbil...
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Sarndra
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~Mary McCarthy~
The opinions expressed in my posts are my own and
are entirely seperate from my employer.
Long live freedom of speech :o)
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> * Col *
Sarndra
> "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >
> >Greig McGill <st...@discordant.noise.com> wrote in message
> >
> >> She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
> >
> >LMAO oh that's great lolol
> yeah ,,that means she has 4 now .. a ball bearing model you might say . -)
>
>
>
> * Col *
VAS DEFERENS then isn't it!!!!
Michelle B
not like that idea???
MichelleB
CMO wrote in message <370ADFB9...@auckland.ac.nz>...
>Well I am back after having read all the posts here - man I did not
>realise what a controversy I stirred up -
>
>My hypothesis was indeed correct after looking at some of the replies:
>
>The following supports what I said :
>
>"By 30, it's still pretty much a rule of thumb that all the
>good ones are already in a relationship or gay (or both :-)
>
>I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
>healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
>of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
>trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
>
>A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
>thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
>I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
>exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
>what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
>off"
>
>So to Stacey - yes the tone of my first post was cynical - and I have a
>right to be - but don't insult my intelligence - no - I don't approach
>life like that - all people - or anything else for that matter.
>
>Thanks people for all the helpful comments - its a shame that we have
>some people here in New Zealand (a minority) that are indeed
>calculating, think they are so smart with petty trendy comments (Tim?)
>and basically don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves - this
>came through in some of the replies I got.
>
>So I stick to my original assertion - girls here in Auckland are
>
>cold
>snobs
>very calculating
>only after the big bank balance/Arnold type physique
>
>I admit that there are exceptions -
>
>So go ahead girls - hurl the insults
>
>but remember what Arnie said in Terminator
>
>I will be back!
>
>cheers
>
>chris
>
Claire Hurman
>
> >For the record:
> >I doubt Chris is the type to follow someone around in the gym.
> >I also do not think that Chris is creepy.
> >If it is the Rec Centre at Uni, there'll be too many ppl around for her
> >to feel threatened. However that rec centre is not short of oglers.
>
> -- In my experience Akl women tend to be defensive these days,
> I guess it's only to be expected as society changes, I would
> point out though that Australian women tend to be far more
> open, even aggressive in romantic situations. Something I find
> refreshing and down right scary at times :). It's not easy being
> a bloke these days, my advice is think outside the square, don't
> be too predictable...flowers almost scream STALKER if youve never
> even had a date yet. Start with a casual offer for lunch if you havn't got
> any creative juice flowing , it's non threatening and downright
> delicious. You could always move to Sydney :).
>
I agree completly...and it is refreshing to hear a bloke that
understands this point of view. I had a whole conversation with a guy on
irc the other night who just couldn't understand why he should beat
around the bush. He thought the best approach was the "hi any girls
wanna chat", simply because he thought all the rest was a waste of time.
as far as I'm concerned a man who can play the subtle dating game, and
knows how to give and read body language is much better than a guy who
dives straight in there.
(Fancy lunch KaTnDhAt? *lol*)
claire
(who can date or not date anybody she damn pleases now ;)
Colin Francis
>
>Colin Francis <cfra...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:37116bfa...@news.chc.ihug.co.nz...
>> "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Greig McGill <st...@discordant.noise.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> >> She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
>> >
>> >LMAO oh that's great lolol
>> yeah ,,that means she has 4 now .. a ball bearing model you might say . -)
>>
>>
>>
>> * Col *
>
>
>VAS DEFERENS then isn't it!!!!
Twat does that mean .. ?
Sarndra
> "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >
> >Colin Francis <cfra...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> >news:37116bfa...@news.chc.ihug.co.nz...
> >> "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Greig McGill <st...@discordant.noise.com> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> >> She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
> >> >
> >> >LMAO oh that's great lolol
> >> yeah ,,that means she has 4 now .. a ball bearing model you might say . -)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> * Col *
> >
> >
> >VAS DEFERENS then isn't it!!!!
> Twat does that mean .. ?
>
>
> * Col *
Just pulling your (third) leg Col...LMAOOOO
ta...@xtra.co.nz
<Lady_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote :
>>It's not a thoughtful gesture unless you KNOW the person well.
>>Otherwise it's a threatening gesture. Haven't you ever had some creepy
>>guy who followed you around and made an absolute pest of himself?
>
>Actually, no. What am I missing out on?
a queasy feeling in the pit of your stomach when you know you're going
to have to be in contact with this person, a feeling of being watched
all the time, anxiety about having to confront someone in an
unpleasant way, believe me, you haven't missed a thing.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
>
>>For the record:
>>I doubt Chris is the type to follow someone around in the gym.
>>I also do not think that Chris is creepy.
>>If it is the Rec Centre at Uni, there'll be too many ppl around for her
>>to feel threatened. However that rec centre is not short of oglers.
>
>-- In my experience Akl women tend to be defensive these days,
> I guess it's only to be expected as society changes, I would
> point out though that Australian women tend to be far more
> open, even aggressive in romantic situations. Something I find
> refreshing and down right scary at times :). It's not easy being
> a bloke these days, my advice is think outside the square, don't
> be too predictable...flowers almost scream STALKER if youve never
> even had a date yet. Start with a casual offer for lunch if you havn't got
> any creative juice flowing , it's non threatening and downright
> delicious. You could always move to Sydney :).
My point exactly.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
>Hullo Tarla
>Your post makes my point for me thank you.
>
>1. You assume I am a creep - typical reaction from your kind of woman - you have never
>met me!
I'm NOT assuming ANYTHING about YOU. I'm explaining why a female might
feel threatened by a gesture such as the one you made.
>
>2. Do you know how to read?? I said I HAD ALREADY CHATTED AT THE GYM - no I was not
>trying to pester her for the first time - in fact she had said hullo on more than one
>occassion and smiled etc - I am not a CREEP as you put it - WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH
>MEN??
I try to explain another viewpoint and suddenly I have a problem with
men?
>
>3. You infer I was being secretive - she had to look up my phone number NO YOU GOT THIS
>WRONG AGAIN - I INCLUDED MY CONTACT DETAILS - you see I HAD NOTHING TO HIDE
I was generalizing. Please, your froth is messing up my screen from
the inside.
>4. Generally my impression of you is that you are just like the girl i sent the roses to
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. We're all the same.
>tell me - how would you expect a guy to actually get to know you if he liked you - is it
>an offence in your mind that a guy has the balls to actually come and talk to you - or
>even smile at you?
If it were, I'd be as worked up as you seem to be. I'm married bucko,
so obviously I allow SOME men to get to know me.
>5. You have proved my point beautifully TARLA
Oh, and believe me, even though it was unintended, you proved mine.
>
>Thanks for your bitchy attitude - typical of Auckland girls
Thanks, Mate.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
>
><ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:370bcf39...@enews.newsguy.com...
>
>
>[SNIP]
>
>> No it's not. Think about it for a little while without the desperation
>> for companionship. We're only hearing HIS side of it. If *I* were
>> working out in the gym, I wouldn't want someone bothering me during my
>> workout.
>
>Can't recall him saying he *bothered* her in any other way except for giving her
>flowers...and to me personally that wouldn't be being bothered...
HE wouldn't know if he was bothering her...or if he did, he certainly
wouldn't mention it when he's trying to get sympathy because Auckland
girls are such bitches.
>
>>I'm not there to pick up men, I'm there to sweat and
>> exercise.
>
>Shit...If a guy thought that i looked sexy whilst i looked in that state i'd be
>flattered...not pissed off...
>>Now I've got some creep following me around to every station
>> and pestering me with his neediness.
>
>There still are more tactful ways to politely say fuck off.....especially if it was
>the first advance he had made. I sympathise with guys if they have to put up with
>this sort of response from haughty up themselves females.
That's the point I've been trying to make. She may well have been TOO
tactful for him to get the message. I don't assume that she's haughty
just because she didn't appreciate his undesired attentions.
>
>>Then, he somehow finds out my
>> home address and sends me flowers, when I've already made it clear
>> that I'm not interested, but he's too fucking clueless to get the
>> point. So, after these flowers arrive, I realize that I'm going to
>> have to be a total bitch for him to get the picture, so I look his
>> name up in the phone book and make it clear to him. He's a pest and he
>> could well be a stalker and I've done my best to nip it in the bud.
>
>Well, in that case, lodge it with the police if it feels threatening...
Isn't it just easier to tell him to bugger off and not bother you
anymore? Why get the police involved because you have a feeling some
guy's a creep?
ta...@xtra.co.nz
>
><ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>
>[snip]
>
>
>> That's HIS version of what happened. Allow me to role play HER
>
>Crikey :-)
>
>You like this role play stuff huh!
I consider it a sign of mental flexibility to be able to put myself in
someone else's shoes. That's why I enjoy debate. I'll take either
side, it doesn't matter.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
McGill) wrote:
>In article <370c0fd3...@enews.newsguy.com>, ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
>>On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 00:09:57 GMT, st...@discordant.noise.com (Greig
>>McGill) wrote:
>>>There is NOTHING threatening about flowers.
>>>I'm getting really sick of this "all guys are potential rapists" attitude in
>>>the so-called modern woman.
>>
>>It's not about rape, it's about INCONVENIENCE, for lack of a better
>>word. Look, I'm 45 now, but in my youth, I had this problem a number
>
>Inconvenience is hardly a good enogh reason to ring someone up and deliver
>verbal abuse to them.
I thinkg you may have misunderstood me. The flowers were not a threat
of rape, but rather a threat of continuing inconvenience or continuing
irritation or escalating irritation, whatever you want to call the
problem of having someone bother you when you don't wish to be
bothered. Calling him up and telling him to piss off would hopefully
solve the situation before the police had to be called in.
>
>Now I will admit that we don't know all the facts - you could be correct in
>your assumptions, in which case, fair enough. What I have a major problem
>with is the assumptions you are making. You can really only offer comment
>based on the facts as presented. There's no need to go inventing a whole
>scenario which may never have happened merely to justify this unknown woman's
>behaviour.
I'm not assuming anything about this guy, I'm simply saying that there
are two sides to every story and as you say below, everyone was just
assuming his side was completely accurate and abusing this mystery
woman without ever considering how it looked from her viewpoint,
>
>Questioning is fine. Everyone was sitting here merrily abusing this woman for
>the position she took...you could have said: "hey wait, maybe it was like
>this...", and invited the gentleman who began the discussion to comment
>further.
I've done just that as far as I can see.
Lin Nah
>KaTnDaHaT wrote:
>> Lin wrote;
>> >For the record:
>> >If it is the Rec Centre at Uni, there'll be too many ppl around for her
>> >to feel threatened. However that rec centre is not short of oglers.
That's why most ppl don't like doing aerobics in the main hall. There's
usually a bunch of oglers watching from the sidewalk, the benches (one level
above) and basically all round where there's standing room.
>> -- In my experience Akl women tend to be defensive these days,
Any theories why?
>> I guess it's only to be expected as society changes, I would
>> point out though that Australian women tend to be far more
>> open, even aggressive in romantic situations. Something I find
>> refreshing and down right scary at times :). It's not easy being
>> a bloke these days, my advice is think outside the square, don't
>> be too predictable...flowers almost scream STALKER if youve never
>> even had a date yet. Start with a casual offer for lunch if you havn't got
>> any creative juice flowing , it's non threatening and downright
>> delicious. You could always move to Sydney :).
good advice 8)
>I agree completly...and it is refreshing to hear a bloke that
>understands this point of view. I had a whole conversation with a guy on
>irc the other night who just couldn't understand why he should beat
>around the bush. He thought the best approach was the "hi any girls
>wanna chat", simply because he thought all the rest was a waste of time.
I think this sort of attitude also shows in the way they do their shopping.
Today, was prepared to go round a few shops with a friend till we found
a bag suitable for him to take with him on his travels. What actually
happened was he bought practically the first bag he saw in the first shop.
We've (another friend with us) been shopping with him for clothes and
shoes in the past. It is the same thing. Try one for size, then buy
a few of the same thing or perhaps of a different colour. SO things were
done within one or two shops. Each shop, a handful of clothes in the
arm within a few minutes of entering.
The SO is a bit like that too with his shopping.
>as far as I'm concerned a man who can play the subtle dating game, and
>knows how to give and read body language is much better than a guy who
>dives straight in there.
I am however not sure that I care to play a game.
I think the little things that shows you he thinks of the lady.
Attention to detail - like he notices what you like and don't like.
>(Fancy lunch KaTnDhAt? *lol*)
wooo hooo 8)
>(who can date or not date anybody she damn pleases now ;)
8)
lin
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ta...@xtra.co.nz
>
><ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:370c8a65...@enews.newsguy.com...
>> On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:20:19 +1200, "Libitina"
>> <Lady_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>[snip]
>
>> >Actually, no. What am I missing out on?
>>
>> a queasy feeling in the pit of your stomach when you know you're going
>> to have to be in contact with this person, a feeling of being watched
>> all the time, anxiety about having to confront someone in an
>> unpleasant way, believe me, you haven't missed a thing.
>
>
>LOL sounds like a trip to the dentist......
Nah, remember, I'm the one who LIKES going to the dentist.
*****
I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a
vegetarian because I hate plants. -A. Whitney Brown
*****
ta...@xtra.co.nz
>
><ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>
>[snip]
>
>> If it were, I'd be as worked up as you seem to be. I'm married bucko,
>> so obviously I allow SOME men to get to know me.
>
>Croikey!!! How many hubbies you got ;-) lol
Usually only one at a time.
Sarndra
<ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
[snip]
> If it were, I'd be as worked up as you seem to be. I'm married bucko,
> so obviously I allow SOME men to get to know me.
Croikey!!! How many hubbies you got ;-) lol
--
Sarndra
<ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:370c8a5b...@enews.newsguy.com...
> On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:57:35 +1200, "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz>
[SNIP]
> >Well, in that case, lodge it with the police if it feels threatening...
>
> Isn't it just easier to tell him to bugger off and not bother you
> anymore? Why get the police involved because you have a feeling some
> guy's a creep?
Because if you are scared he's a psycho in all probability he might be...it's called
intuition and listening to 'yourself'.
If he's persistant and he scares you...that is intimidation. One cannot be too
careful these days....
Sarndra
<ta...@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:370c8a65...@enews.newsguy.com...
> On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:20:19 +1200, "Libitina"
> <Lady_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> >Actually, no. What am I missing out on?
>
> a queasy feeling in the pit of your stomach when you know you're going
> to have to be in contact with this person, a feeling of being watched
> all the time, anxiety about having to confront someone in an
> unpleasant way, believe me, you haven't missed a thing.
LOL sounds like a trip to the dentist......
Peter Grooby
> Hey us Chch girls are not so bad....hey and what if some may be bi???Do you
> not like that idea???
It's not just bi. Often in some bars, every women there will be a
lesbian! That's the only explaination I can come up with, why none of
them want to do the horizontal mambo with me :^)
Pete
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Dyan Campbell
I've been following this thread with interest, and thought I'd comment on
the first post.
: I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
: healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
: of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
: trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
He may look like a perfect catch to you, but clearly this is not the case
when it comes to attracting women. He may not be the sort of person a
woman wants to see more than once. He may be boring or self-absorbed, and
not connect, in terms of humour or intelligence. He may have sackloads of
neurotic baggage from previous relationships - possibly with his mother.
He may smell appalling. There may be something about his personal style
that is a huge turn-off to women. He may be cruel to small animals or
waiters. His conversation may betray a deep and abiding hatred of women.
Whatever the reason, if he is being rejected by women en masse, you can
rest assured there is something wrong with him.
: I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
: exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
: what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
: off"
If she rang you up with such strenuous objections to your gift of flowers,
then you may have offered pleasantries, but she was probably not a
willing participant in that exchange. She may have given several more
subtle "go away" messages that you did not register.
Possibly the most important factor for anyone - in terms of success with -
not just women - but people in general - is being able to read subtle
cues, facial expressions, voice tones, body language. If a person is
unable to read these cues for whatever reason - simple awkwardness or
perhaps even Asberger's Syndrome, s/he is likely to cause enormous
offence, quite without meaning to.
It can be both frightening and infuriating to be pursued by someone in
whom one has absolutely no interest. If this pursuit becomes commonplace
in one's life, often you'll see a young woman adopt some form of behaviour
that is a shortcut to jettisoning the unwelcome pursuer.
My friend Colleen, who has that bright blonde hair that is like a beacon
to nuts and stalkers, used to be relatively patient (i.e. engage in
pointless conversation) with men who would pester and interrupt her in
public, until another college friend (her flatmate) was murdered one night
in a park. After Rona's death, Colleen would just say "go away or I'll
start screaming" and usually the guy would push his luck. Colleen would
throw her head back and start screaming full pitched, B grade Horror movie
screams, and the guy would invariably scuttle away, terrified.
Personally, I used to just say - convincingly as possible - "excuse me,
but I'm two month pregnant... I'm using all my energy trying not to vomit"
- I'd suck in a breath and place the back of my hand against my lips -
and invariably they would look alarmed and retreat.
: So I stick to my original assertion - girls here in Auckland are
: cold
: snobs
: very calculating
: only after the big bank balance/Arnold type physique
Ah, here's where I think you make your mistake. If you are expecting:
warmth
acceptance
trust
an indifference to prospects and appearance
- then it's pointless to approach complete strangers with this wish list.
Not many women treat men they do not know and to whom they are not
attracted, with warmth. It would just be foolish to do so.
I was reading in the newspaper just a few weeks ago about a supermarket in
California where the employees are *ordered* to make eye contact with, and
smile at the customers. Most of their employees are high school girls, and
they are being harrassed by men who take this warmth as a come-on. This is
why it would be foolish to treat unknown men with warmth. It's not a
realistic thing to expect.
As for acceptance, trust and indifference to prospects and appearance,
well, again I think that's a profoundly unreasonable wish list. These are
things you should get from your mum, or perhaps your mate (in the sense of
spouse) but there is no way a woman who does not yet know you would ever
offer anything on your list. It would be against nature, I think.
cheers
dyan
Claire Hurman
>
> Hullo
>
> I've been following this thread with interest, and thought I'd comment on
> the first post.
<snip>
*claire stands up in applause for an excellent post*
claire :)
ta...@xtra.co.nz
I was going to offer to tongue-kiss her, but I thought it might scare
her off.
Colin Francis
>On Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:37:42 +1200, Claire Hurman
><bugge...@spamming.bastards.com> wrote:
>
>>Dyan Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> Hullo
>>>
>>> I've been following this thread with interest, and thought I'd comment on
>>> the first post.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>*claire stands up in applause for an excellent post*
>
>I was going to offer to tongue-kiss her, but I thought it might scare
>her off.
Mmmmmmmm..Tongue 'n groove huh ? LOL
Stickman
a brief holiday, I am appalled at the attitude and appearance of NZ girls.
They are just so incredibly demanding and seemingly, unless you are Topm Cruise
or Brad Pitt, you can go and take a hike. Compared with the the female
populous in SE Asia, they are aggressive, over confident and mant quite simply
lack femininity. I was out in High Street last night and if I saw girls in SE
Asia dressed the way that these girls were dressed, I would have thought that I
was in the red light district.
I have enjoyed three long term relationships and several shorter relationships
with kiwi girls but will never pursue another one after having sampled the more
feminine and genuine girls of the east.
Cheers,
Stickman
Matthew Poole
Australia (where I'm told Kiwi guys are fallen all over because of a
total lack of personality/decency on the part of Aussie males), the US,
the UK, possibly SA.
You can't compare Asian women to western women. If Asian women tried
some of the things western women take for granted they'd end up divorced
or beaten.
Matthew Poole Auckland, New Zealand
"Veni, vidi, velcro...
I came, I saw, I stuck around"
My real e-mail is mpoole at ihug dot co dot nz
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>As a New Zealand male living in South East Asia who has just returned to NZ for
>a brief holiday, I am appalled at the attitude and appearance of NZ girls.
>They are just so incredibly demanding and seemingly, unless you are Topm Cruise
>or Brad Pitt, you can go and take a hike. Compared with the the female
>populous in SE Asia, they are aggressive, over confident and mant quite simply
>lack femininity. I was out in High Street last night and if I saw girls in SE
>Asia dressed the way that these girls were dressed, I would have thought that I
>was in the red light district.
>
>I have enjoyed three long term relationships and several shorter relationships
>with kiwi girls but will never pursue another one after having sampled the more
>feminine and genuine girls of the east.
>
>Cheers,
>Stickman
>
So what you are saying is that you like very submissive women.
I have a neighbour like that. He has had 3 mail order brides that
once they were here learnt the ways of the NZ women and developed
their own personalities, therefore they were not the submissive type
anymore and left him. He now has an Asian immigrant girlfriend, who
was once one of three of his house girls. He is a very creepy looking
60 year old that likes to sit on his driveway in his car and tune it
by revving the shit out of it. I was told the other week that his
girlfriend is pregnant to him. Ooh yuck, you should have seen my
reaction when I was told the news by the other neighbour.
Nelly. õõ
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Dyan Campbell
Distribution:
In nz.general Stickman <stic...@usa.net> wrote:
: I have enjoyed three long term relationships and several shorter
: relationships with kiwi girls but will never pursue another one after
: having sampled the more feminine and genuine girls of the east.
: Cheers,
: Stickman
Well, which South East Asians would those be? Thai, Malaysian,
Singaporean, and Vietnamese women are from pretty different cultures.
Malaysian and Singaporean women tend to be highly educated, well-off, and
pretty dismissive of western men.
Or do Burmese women look easy to you? Ayn Sang Su Chi may be
astonishingly beautiful and graceful, but I doubt very much that you'd
find her terribly compliant, especially if the Burmese government and all
their threatening tactics haven't been able to crush her.
You make generalisations on the basis of race, without any apparent
understanding of the respective cultures.
One generalisation that IS safe to make is that Asian women detest men
who seek them out on the the basis of their race and supposed feminine
compliance. If you'd heard the conversations of Asian women I've heard,
you might recognise your attitude in their litany of complaints about
western men. And you'd positively cringe to hear them giggling about the
racial generalisations *they* make about white men. You think New Zealand
girls are critical? You should hear Asian girls talking in private!
cheers
dyan
CMO
I think it is an appalling attitude to have
I feel very sorry for you
Claire Hurman wrote:
> Dyan Campbell wrote:
> >
> > Hullo
> >
> > I've been following this thread with interest, and thought I'd comment on
> > the first post.
>
> <snip>
>
> *claire stands up in applause for an excellent post*
>
> claire :)
CMO
I read your post with interest - and I have to say that if your attitude is
typical of women in this country then it really does prove my point - thank
you.
You seem to treat men with complete contempt
and -
Dyan Campbell wrote:
> Hullo
>
> I've been following this thread with interest, and thought I'd comment on
> the first post.
>
> : I have a mate who's 28, owns his own home and business,
> : healthy, friendly, outdoorsy as well as movies/dining type
> : of guy - in other words: the perfect catch... And HE's got
> : trouble finding anyone worthwhile."
>
Your comments here-You are incredibly one sided - you assume that this guy has
the problem - maybe its exactly an indication of what I am saying about New
Zealand girls - and really your attitude really does prove it - you basically
say that a man should under no circumstances expect to even be treated in a
courteous or civil way by a girl that he simply approaches and says hullo too
in New Zealand - you in fact say that is is acceptable for a girl to be
completely rude to a guy who on impulse tries to talk to her.
Just HOW? do you propose a guy gets to even CHAT to a girl he might like if
you think that the mere act of saying hullo is an affront.
I think your attitude is completely unreasonable
> He may look like a perfect catch to you, but clearly this is not the case
> when it comes to attracting women. He may not be the sort of person a
> woman wants to see more than once. He may be boring or self-absorbed, and
> not connect, in terms of humour or intelligence. He may have sackloads of
> neurotic baggage from previous relationships - possibly with his mother.
> He may smell appalling. There may be something about his personal style
> that is a huge turn-off to women. He may be cruel to small animals or
> waiters. His conversation may betray a deep and abiding hatred of women.
> Whatever the reason, if he is being rejected by women en masse, you can
> rest assured there is something wrong with him.
>
> : I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
> : exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
> : what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
> : off"
>
Again your comments here are totally ons sided.
You assume the male HAS to be the one at fault - never could you dare imagine
the GIRL might have a problem
Here, no I did read this young ladies body language - and after a few
conversations and interchanges I thought that there was a chance something
might work out
There were no subtle go away messages as you put it
The fact is that many girls are very two faced - pleasant one minute - tell
you to fuck off the next - here you again assume I am at fault - and I guess
you probably would do the same as this girl if a guy sent you roses.
To be frank I find your remarks here are offensive
you assume i am some sought of stalker, that i am indifferent to a person's
reactions, that i simply go on regardless - complete bullshit
And your account of your blonde friend - that is completely over the top
behaviour - do you really mean to say that men are NEVER ALLOWED TO SAY HULLO
TO A GIRL IN PUBLIC FOR FEAR THE GIRL WILL START SCREAMING!!!!!
Tell me - just how does a guy ever even get to start to chat with a girl if we
apply your very warped guidelines??
Basically you paint a very grim picture of human relations - again what you
say here is that if a guy just happens to see a girl he likes (say at the gym)
and goes over to say a polite hullo (not with the evil intent you attribute to
all males) then under no circumstances can the guy even expect to to receive a
hullo back or a smile - thats apparently forbidden in your world
Tell me - I normally do expect to be treated honestly in any conversation I
have with somebody - are you saying that a guy cannot expect a girl to be
honest ? you obviously condone a girl being totally calculating with a guy. I
beat if a guy was dishonest you would make such a big thing of it.
> - then it's pointless to approach complete strangers with this wish list.
> Not many women treat men they do not know and to whom they are not
> attracted, with warmth. It would just be foolish to do so.
>
> I was reading in the newspaper just a few weeks ago about a supermarket in
> California where the employees are *ordered* to make eye contact with, and
> smile at the customers. Most of their employees are high school girls, and
> they are being harrassed by men who take this warmth as a come-on. This is
> why it would be foolish to treat unknown men with warmth. It's not a
> realistic thing to expect.
>
> As for acceptance, trust and indifference to prospects and appearance,
> well, again I think that's a profoundly unreasonable wish list. These are
> things you should get from your mum, or perhaps your mate (in the sense of
> spouse) but there is no way a woman who does not yet know you would ever
> offer anything on your list. It would be against nature, I think.
>
> cheers
>
On the whole you paint a very grim picture of how modern New Zealand women
operate.
Men on your terms cannot expect absolutely any vestige of human treatment from
a girl - albiet they are strangers.
I guess you really do prove my original hypothesis
Tell me - do you actually like men?
Cheers
chris
> dyan
Brenton Hodgson
>
> >
> Different cultures, different rules. Comparable nations would be
> Australia (where I'm told Kiwi guys are fallen all over because of a
> total lack of personality/decency on the part of Aussie males),
I am an Australian man, married to a Kiwi woman. I would say that in
most respects Kiwi men and women are exactly like Australian men and
women.
But thanks for thinking of us (Ozzies)
Cheers,
Brenton
CMO
You DID not prove your point with my reply - YOU proved my point with your response.
You seem to condone girls being totally free to be as rude as they want to guys and you also
assume all men are rapists, weird, stalkers -
And although you may be married you do have an attitude to men which is really over the top.
And you admit that all you girls are the same - so my list of points is true
snobs
cold
calculating
Do you have ANY warmth or humanity in you?
ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:09:56 +1200, CMO <c.o...@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> >Hullo Tarla
> >Your post makes my point for me thank you.
> >
> >1. You assume I am a creep - typical reaction from your kind of woman - you have never
> >met me!
>
> I'm NOT assuming ANYTHING about YOU. I'm explaining why a female might
> feel threatened by a gesture such as the one you made.
> >
> >2. Do you know how to read?? I said I HAD ALREADY CHATTED AT THE GYM - no I was not
> >trying to pester her for the first time - in fact she had said hullo on more than one
> >occassion and smiled etc - I am not a CREEP as you put it - WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH
> >MEN??
>
> I try to explain another viewpoint and suddenly I have a problem with
> men?
> >
> >3. You infer I was being secretive - she had to look up my phone number NO YOU GOT THIS
> >WRONG AGAIN - I INCLUDED MY CONTACT DETAILS - you see I HAD NOTHING TO HIDE
>
> I was generalizing. Please, your froth is messing up my screen from
> the inside.
>
> >4. Generally my impression of you is that you are just like the girl i sent the roses to
>
> I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. We're all the same.
>
> >tell me - how would you expect a guy to actually get to know you if he liked you - is it
> >an offence in your mind that a guy has the balls to actually come and talk to you - or
> >even smile at you?
>
> If it were, I'd be as worked up as you seem to be. I'm married bucko,
> so obviously I allow SOME men to get to know me.
>
> >5. You have proved my point beautifully TARLA
>
> Oh, and believe me, even though it was unintended, you proved mine.
> >
> >Thanks for your bitchy attitude - typical of Auckland girls
>
> Thanks, Mate.
Matthew Poole
>Matthew Poole wrote:
>>
>
>> >
>> Different cultures, different rules. Comparable nations would be
>> Australia (where I'm told Kiwi guys are fallen all over because of a
>> total lack of personality/decency on the part of Aussie males),
>
>
>I am an Australian man, married to a Kiwi woman. I would say that in
>most respects Kiwi men and women are exactly like Australian men and
>women.
>
is currently over there, and missing Kiwi blokes like crazy. It's also
something I've heard from a male friend of mine who's been there and was
extremely popular with the Aussie ladies because he's Kiwi.
Nelly
long and I haven't snipped but it needs to be here.
Well Chris, after reading all the above 'waffle' with the attitude you
have to NZ females its really no wonder at all she told you where to
go.
CMO
I dont have a bad attitude towards women and it is not waffle
Read some of the numerous posts from males who agree with what I have said
Why do you automatically make assumptions about me?
I have never, have not, and will never have a bad attitude.
PS By the way what I wrote was carefully thought out.
I think the "waffle" is in your head!
mple...@ihug.co.nz
> On Wed, 07 Apr 1999 16:31:54 +1200, CMO <c.o...@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
> >A couple of guys said Auckland girls where endemically unfriendly -
> >thats true - as an example which I did not put in my original message -
> >I sent a young lady a dozen red roses - she goes to my gym - we have
> >exchanged pleasantries and I like her - it was worth a punt - you know
> >what she did - rang me up - abused me to my face and told me to "fuck
> >off"
Sorry, but this has been annoying me.
How could she abuse you to your face over the telephone?
M.
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Stickman
>Different cultures, different rules. Comparable nations would be
>Australia (where I'm told Kiwi guys are fallen all over because of a
>the UK, possibly SA.
>You can't compare Asian women to western women. If Asian women tried
>some of the things western women take for granted they'd end up divorced
>or beaten.
>
Why not? They are humans after all. It's not like I'm comparing a kiwi girl
to a horse or a sheep (that would fter all be an insult to the beast
concerned).
What are these things that were Asian girls to try they might get beaten up?
That has really got me beaten.....
The Stickman
Colin Francis
ta...@xtra.co.nz
>Hullo Tarla
>
>You DID not prove your point with my reply - YOU proved my point with your response.
>
>You seem to condone girls being totally free to be as rude as they want to guys and you also
>assume all men are rapists, weird, stalkers -
Instead of ascribing feelings to me, why don't you simply ASK me how I
feel about something?
>And although you may be married you do have an attitude to men which is really over the top.
Really? How so? What do you actually KNOW about my feelings about men?
>
>And you admit that all you girls are the same - so my list of points is true
You lack a sense of humor, Sir. I was being as sarcastic as possible.
All women are most certainly NOT alike. Neither are all men.
>
>snobs
>cold
>calculating
>
>Do you have ANY warmth or humanity in you?
None. Not a drop of human kindness to be found anywhere in my body. I
am without a doubt the single most hateful human being on the planet.
Why don't you just kill me now? Don't bother with a trial. Don't even
bother to ask me a question. Just tell me how I feel and be done with
it. Git.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
>As a New Zealand male living in South East Asia who has just returned to NZ for
>a brief holiday, I am appalled at the attitude and appearance of NZ girls.
>They are just so incredibly demanding and seemingly, unless you are Topm Cruise
>or Brad Pitt, you can go and take a hike. Compared with the the female
>populous in SE Asia, they are aggressive, over confident and mant quite simply
>lack femininity. I was out in High Street last night and if I saw girls in SE
>Asia dressed the way that these girls were dressed, I would have thought that I
>was in the red light district.
>
>I have enjoyed three long term relationships and several shorter relationships
>with kiwi girls but will never pursue another one after having sampled the more
>feminine and genuine girls of the east.
Troll!
ta...@xtra.co.nz
wrote:
>ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:37:42 +1200, Claire Hurman
>><bugge...@spamming.bastards.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dyan Campbell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hullo
>>>>
>>>> I've been following this thread with interest, and thought I'd comment on
>>>> the first post.
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>*claire stands up in applause for an excellent post*
>>
>>I was going to offer to tongue-kiss her, but I thought it might scare
>>her off.
>Mmmmmmmm..Tongue 'n groove huh ? LOL
I'm liberal, Colin, but I have my limits.
Brenton Hodgson
>
>
> >> >
> >> Different cultures, different rules. Comparable nations would be
> >> Australia (where I'm told Kiwi guys are fallen all over because of
> a
> >> total lack of personality/decency on the part of Aussie males),
> >
> >
> >most respects Kiwi men and women are exactly like Australian men and
> >women.
> >
> I was merely repeating the sentiments of a (female) friend of mine who
> is currently over there, and missing Kiwi blokes like crazy. It's
> also
> something I've heard from a male friend of mine who's been there and
> was
> extremely popular with the Aussie ladies because he's Kiwi.
>
>
I understand. ;-)
Dal Segno
Presumably the difference is that he's - at least partly -
bi-syllabic?
Dal.
Greig McGill
>
>Colin Francis <cfra...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:37116bfa...@news.chc.ihug.co.nz...
>> "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Greig McGill <st...@discordant.noise.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> >> She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
>> >
>> >LMAO oh that's great lolol
>> yeah ,,that means she has 4 now .. a ball bearing model you might say . -)
>>
>>
>>
>> * Col *
>
>
>VAS DEFERENS then isn't it!!!!
Oh dear gODE...what have I done!
<<Sound of Greig running for the hills...>>
Greig McGill
ri...@sod.off.spam.bot.bastards.wave.co.nz - Remove the obvious...
http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/rider/ <-- The Still Website
"Welcome to me and my place" - Still
Greig McGill
>Hullo Tarla
>
>You DID not prove your point with my reply - YOU proved my point with your
> response.
Oi Kiddies!
Come now..."you did!"
"no, you did!!"
This is getting a bit silly...
CMO - I've been defending you up to this point based on the fact that I have
seen a lot of the attitude you spoke of.
I came down fairly heavily on Tarla for her role playing excercise...but now
after seeing you when you really get going (admittedly in an anonymous forum),
I am inclined to wonder what else you said/did to this poor girl!
Anyway...this debate is getting a bit personal...I thought the abstract was a
good one, but as usual around here...it's degenerated. Good one CMO.
Colin Francis
>In article <92356157...@newsch.es.co.nz>, "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>Colin Francis <cfra...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>news:37116bfa...@news.chc.ihug.co.nz...
>>> "Sarndra" <su...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Greig McGill <st...@discordant.noise.com> wrote in message
>>> >
>>> >> She's got balls all right - ripped them off a passing male...
>>> >
>>> >LMAO oh that's great lolol
>>> yeah ,,that means she has 4 now .. a ball bearing model you might say . -)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * Col *
>>
>>
>>VAS DEFERENS then isn't it!!!!
>
>Oh dear gODE...what have I done!
>
><<Sound of Greig running for the hills...>>
Oi .. The hills are not PUB{l}IC land ..
Dal Segno
>As a New Zealand male living in South East Asia who has just returned to NZ for
>a brief holiday, I am appalled at the attitude and appearance of NZ girls.
Try arriving at Wellington Station any morning and then walk with the
crowd into the city centre. So much unflattering, drab, uncoordinated
garb to be seen. Surpassingly ugly shoes, crumpled, ill-fitting
dresses, you name it. And that flat-footed, lumpy, round-shouldered
stomping stride. Poor deportment. Power-dressed, jut-jawed androgynous
females with backpacks. Ugh! A collective sense of harsh dreariness.
Surely this can't be an expression of so many New Zealand women's
mind-set? It's so unappealing.
Also, a huge preponderance of waddling, struggling, grotesquely
lard-assed women in numbers like I've never seen in any other country.
Diet or what?
A lady relative was here on holiday a couple of years ago and remarked
on what she perceived as a widespread lack of female style and dress
sense. "So far I've seen no-one attired in *anything* I'd want to be
seen in. Why on earth are are they like this? They're so
*un-feminine*."
Yesterday, at work, I quietly complimented a lady on what she was
wearing. I was surprised that she was astonished that I'd noticed let
alone bothered to mention it. *She* didn't regard it as some sort of a
come-on at all. She was genuinely pleased and quite carried away by
it.
Come on some of you ladies; shape up. The rest of the civilised world
has something called "style". It won't take much effort to join them.
But while rugby, the meat pie and Hallensteins remain fixed in our
psyche it'll be an uphill battle for style and sophistication in New
Zealand.
Dal.