What a disgrace

[Tony]

https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.

[Ras Mikaere]

I TOOK A LOOK AT HER ------> GEEK APPEARANCE.
WHAT CAVE DID SHE CRAWL OUT FROM ?
PAAKEHAA DEMON INVADER .
WHAT A HIDEOUS CREATURE.

https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson

[Ras Mikaere]

WHAT KIND OF FREAKY HAIR STYLE IS THAT.
SHE IS AS WHITE AS A GHOST.
FRIGHTENING.
JAMAICANS CALL THEM DUPPIES.
GET HER ON A PLANE, AND OUT OF THIS COUNTRY,
AND MAYBE BREAK HER ARM LIKE JOHN KEY DID
IN RED CHINA . . .
GET THE FUCK OUT INVADER YOU PAKKEHA ALBINO
REPTILES !




"Ras Mikaere" wrote in message
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[Ras Mikaere]

MAAORI FUN FACTS ------>

LOOK AT HER NECK --
I'VE SEEN THAT CLINT EASTWOOD MOVIE: Hang 'Em High.
SHE HAS THE MARKS OF BEING STRANGLED,
IN SOME KIND OF CLOSET, LIKE DAVID CARRADINE,
EXCEPT SHE LIVED -- AND BECAME A REAL ESTATE
VAMPIRE ALBINO REPTILE PAAKEHAA DEMON GHOST
CREATURE ----------->


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[BR]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:

If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money
this all is, here is the link.

https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf

The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of
government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all
involved sacked and put on the dole.

Bill.

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[Tony]

Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
should be stopped.

[Rich80105]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:

it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .

[Ras Mikaere]

I KNOW EXACTLY WHY MANY PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE PACIFIC,
ARE REALISING THAT PAAKEHAA NEED TO BE EXTRICATED,
WITH FORCE, FROM TE AOTEAROA.

WHICH ONE ARE YOU TONY ?
THE "German" ?
Got A Thing For Tokelau `Eh Tony ?
ALWAYS FIGHTING AGAINST THE DIGNITY OF ALL MAAORI,
YOU ROTTEN DISGUSTING DEMON PAAKEHAA,
WHO DESERVE TO BE A COOKING POT.

NANDOR TANCZOS HAS ALREADY COOKED HIS BRAIN WITH
FAKE IMITATION "POT"


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[Ras Mikaere]

TEACH THE UGLY WHITE GHOST ALBINO REPTILE
WITH FREAK HAIR ----

GET HER IN ONE OF HER BUILDINGS SHE IS
TRYING TO SELL . . .

AND BEAT HER UP.
TEACH HER ABOUT WHAT VILE VERMIN PAAKEHAA
SHOULD FEEL --- PAIN.

[Ras Mikaere]

--- s far as I am aware
---doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
---part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
---matters from time to time.


DOCTORS DO NOT EVEN RECEIVE TRAINING ON SUPPLIMENTS OR
BASIC PROCEDURES WE DEEM NECESSARY.

DENTISTS (RFID) WHO PUT REPLACMENT MOLARS IN TEETH,
THAT ARE TRACKING PEOPLE . . .
SHOULD BE RIGHTEOUSLY MURDERED.

[BR]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>

You're full of it.

Why the hell would it need to be compulsory?

[Ras Mikaere]

EASY SOLUTION ---
BAN ANY FOREIGNER PAAKEHAA LICE, VERMIN,
FROM BUYING NEW ZEALAND WHENUA.

EVIL FOREIGNER MOTHER FUCKERS --
ARE THE REASON FOR THE COMPULSORY EDUCATION
NEEDS -- THAT THEY OBVIOUS NEVER GOT --
BECAUSE RACIST ANTI MAAORI -- AND EVEN
AGAINST TRAITOUR TRIBE FAKE MĀORI FROM
THE NGĀBUSH REGION OF (Y) TANGI TAMPON
PROUDUCTS.

RACISM AGAINST THE REAL MAAORI IS THE
REAL ISSUE HERE.

THE TRAITOUR TRIBES AGREED TO LIVING WITH
SATAN PAAKEHAA WHO HATE THEM.

[Tony]

What nonsense - you failed miserably to defend a policy that is without any
value but is anti free market.

[Rich80105]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:08:09 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:

Measuring that real estate agents are qualified to provide good
service to all potential clients is not anti-free market! It is
however trying to make sure poor experiences with an agent do not make
'do it yourself' more popular with sellers. Many professions have
continuing professional development requirements, which the profession
decide for themselves. Do you want the government to override
professional requirements that the profession set for themselves?

[Gordon]

Surely in a muti cutural society the people should respect the other
cultures and not offend them by ones actions.

Some of the Maori values are very much common sense. Shitting is a river,
keeping the places where food are prepared away from contamination. Wash one
hands in the hand basin not the kitchen sink. Consider the mice in the
supermarkets - not a desirable thing.

The example of the head is tapu and thus should not be touched without the
owners permission. In the western/white/pakeha culture touching heads willy
nilly is frowned upon. Basically there is agreement.

The issue is one of excess, the more is better arguement. The gravey boat is
created and instead of acceptance the two tribes form. People do not respond
well to having something jammed down their throats. Placing an idea an idea
on the roadside is a far better plan.

- as far as I am aware
> doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
> part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
> matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
> first complaint about it?

Probably not. The other REA people probably have done the course, and
carried on as before while the "teachers" have ticked the box and collect
some money from doing so.

>I have not heard of any previous
> complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
> also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
> not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
> language . . .

Chinese are bilingual, others are decents from the Otago gold rush. The
stereo type that the Chinese do not speak English is incorect. The recent
ones maybe not so much but they go from very little English to Kiwi
English.

[Rich80105]

I agree; I have friends whose great grandparents emigrated to New
Zealand. In the Real Estate world however a few years ago there was a
rush of Chinese university students buying buildings; presumably with
assistance from parents, and other Chinese seeking bolt holes from
Hong Kong and Taiwan as well as mainland China. That is less of an
issue now, but for estate agents in Auckland it was an important
segment of the market, and may still be. I know of a school in
Auckland where around 5% of new students had English as their language
in the home - largely languages from India as well as Chinese.

I am happy to leave such issues to local areas and the profession -
unlike the current government who want all decisions to be agreed with
Ministers.

[Tony]

What a pethetic lie that is, don't you have anything worthwhile? If not don't
bother.

[Tony]

No it is not, well done - but that is not what this is about.

> It is
>however trying to make sure poor experiences with an agent do not make
>'do it yourself' more popular with sellers. Many professions have
>continuing professional development requirements, which the profession
>decide for themselves. Do you want the government to override
>professional requirements that the profession set for themselves?

Don't ask off topic stupid questions.

[Rich80105]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 00:15:10 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>

The true disgrace is the poster that said:
"I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist."

Of course to make it illegal for professional associations to set
rules for their members without government approval is exactly what
that disgraceful poster was urging. Thanks for picking up on that,
Tony.

[Tony]

Indeed what an excellent thing to post Tony. Congratulations. Rich on the other
hand is quite happy for the REA and similatr institutions to interfere with the
free market and to set impositions that damage somebody's opportunity to earn a
living honestly and legally.

[Ras Mikaere]

"Rich80105"

TONY IS TOTALLY OBSESSED WITH RICH80105.
I THINK TONY HAS THE HOTS FOR RICH8015.
HOMOSEXUALS WHO ARE ATTRACTED TO OTHER
HOMOSEXUALS -- DO EXACTLY THE SAME TYPE
OF THINGS THAT TONY IS DOING.

ROMAN BATH (Tony) --- A LONG GENETIC LINE
OF PUBLIC NUDITY AND HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOUR.

RICH CAN FEEL SATISFIED -- THAT TONY IS TRYING
TO MAKE SOME KIND OF HOMOSEXUAL ADVANCES
TO HIM -- THROUGH DAILY NON-STOP ATTACKS.

[Crash]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>

While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the
position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a
professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the
planned appeal:

***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:

1. The REA’s CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REA’s powers under the Act;

2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory
condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to
freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand
Bill of Rights Act 1990.

3. The REA’s commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.

4. The Registrar’s refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.

***

So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing
requirements on its members that are not professionally required.


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[Tony]

Exactly Crash.

[Rich80105]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>

That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a
professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.

[Tony]

That is irrelevant - it is about how far such a body can control their members.
It cannot be entirely open and this is a step much too far.
There is nothing unprofessional about not knowing the fulll culture of any of
the dozens of different cultures in this country.

[BR]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:02:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>

None of this nonsense was a requirement in the past. Why is it
suddenly necessary now?

[Crash]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 00:45:17 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:

Tony you are expressing rational views here. When it comes to
expressing rational views that disadvantage the imposition of Maori
cultural training then those who have a different view will cast you
as an anti-Maori racist. This is what Dickson is being portrayed as.
The legal action planned is to establish legal limits on professional
body cultural impositions.


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[Rich80105]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 00:45:17 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:

. . ."knowing the fulll culture of any of the dozens of different
cultures in this country"

It is only one and a half hours! Sheesh, what culture could you get
more than scratching the surface of in 90 minutes! They can only
cover critical essentials in that time - although perhaps Tony thinks
his culture could be taught in 10 minutes . . . .

There is something unprofessional in having no idea of any cultural
issues for potential clients in the area in which you work, Tony.

But I suspect this is ideological from Tony - who it appears gets some
ideas third hand from Atlas . . .

Let us wait and see hat the court says, and then wait again (whatever
he decision) to see if NAct1st can agree on any legislative changes to
prevent basic information being conveyed to so-called professionals. .
.

[Rich80105]

It is the new government - they are encouraging all sort of changes;
whatever they think will get them votes next year when the coalition
falls apart.

[Tony]

Jeez you are a fool - do you really think people believe you? Get a life.

[Tony]

No that is what you are saying - not me.
Read above and comprehend.

>
>There is something unprofessional in having no idea of any cultural
>issues for potential clients in the area in which you work, Tony.

Is that a question or a guess?
>
Abuse gone for now.

>
>Let us wait and see hat the court says, and then wait again (whatever
>he decision) to see if NAct1st can agree on any legislative changes to
>prevent basic information being conveyed to so-called professionals. .

You are a fool. Period.

[Gordon]

This is another case of where the top of the pyramid (the folks at the top)
seem to have lost the principle that they are advocades for the members.

[Gordon]

Let us remember the police and defece forces battle over mandates.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-defence-police-vaccine-mandates-government-appeals-high-court-decision/RM44FQY5HEW26QX3IVFJYHKD7U/

And also it appears

"United We Stand
MEDIA RELEASE
16 February 2024

Court of Appeal Decides NZDF Vaccine Mandate Unlawful

Today the Court of Appeal upheld an appeal by members of the NZDF, and
decided that the NZDF COVID-19 vaccine mandate is unlawful.

The High Court ruled in Yardley (2021) that the government vaccine
mandate for all New Zealand Defence Force and uniformed Police workers
was unlawful. Despite this, the NZDF then created its own internal
vaccine mandate forcing those in uniform to get vaccinated or lose their job.

The Court of Appeal held that the NZDF vaccine mandate limited the right
to refuse medical treatment and to manifest religious belief.

The Court of Appeal decided that the Chief of Defence Force was not
justified in limiting these rights by imposing a vaccine mandate in the
way that he did.

This is the third time that members of the NZDF have successfully challenged
a vaccine mandate.

While the majority of New Zealand has moved on from mandates and the new
government has promised to remove all mandates in the public sector,
the NZDF internal mandate has remained in full force until today.
Many highly trained and valuable service personnel have been discharged
for refusing the COVID vaccine, including recently a young pregnant medic
discharged earlier this month.

The unlawful mandate caused many uniformed professionals to be discharged
from the NZDF, from new recruits through to highly decorated senior officers
across all three services. It has also had many second order effects,
limiting career options for those that remain and driving many to leave
of their own accord due to not wanting to remain subject to it.

Discharging capable service members has also been counterproductive at a
time where the NZDF is experiencing high levels of attrition and struggling
to maintain its operational outputs due to record low manning.

NZDF is the only defence force in the Five Eyes of US, UK, Australia,
Canada and NZ that has retained a COVID-19 vaccine mandate for its
service members.

Those affected are upset and angry about the NZDF creating its own
unlawful mandate, especially as this happened after the government
mandate was ruled illegal.

To be attributed to a spokesperson of United We Stand:

“Members of the NZDF are everyday New Zealanders who commit their service
to serving their communities.”

“We call on the Chief of Defence Force to apologise for the harm he has
done, and to provide assurances that he will respect the basic rights
of the soldiers, sailors and airmen who serve New Zealand”

To be attributed to Matthew Hague, lawyer for the appellants:

“It is a fantastic result for the protection of fundamental rights in
New Zealand.”

“Members of our Armed Forces sacrifice much in the service of our
country, which means upholding their fundamental rights all the
more important.”

“I call on the Chief of Defence Force to reinstate everyone who
lost their jobs because of the unlawful mandate.”

[Gordon]

Because many of those in power are woke and going for a power grab.

http://thepyramidofpower.net gives the history of how we are in todays messed
up world. Click around to find books. Chapter 13 is the recent events.

[Gordon]

Another prediction, chalk it up.

[BR]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:18:10 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>>>>So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing
>>>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
>>>
>>>That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
>>>up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
>>>what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
>>>member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
>>>in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a
>>>professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
>>>the integrity of members of the association.
>>
>>None of this nonsense was a requirement in the past. Why is it
>>suddenly necessary now?
>>
>>Bill.
>
>It is the new government - they are encouraging all sort of changes;
>whatever they think will get them votes next year when the coalition
>falls apart.

OK, so this REA mandate is a National/ACT/NZ First imperative.

Do you agree with it?

[Rich80105]

The coalition is a very mixed bunch, and the government as a whole is
aware of the very different expectations of supporters. ACT for
example have moved from being more authoritarian than National, to now
expressing policies that are more libertarian than any other party -
hence the accommodation of some very disparate views under various
banners - "Freedumb" being a common characteristic. They did well
however in the last term by being very disciplined within their
caucus, with a high degree of internal discipline. That was helped by
a small caucus - National could not always maintain the same public
face; which while understandable did affect their appeal to voters.
The appearance of tolerance of different views applies to this issue -
it is not important enough for the government to take a stand on, but
it helps give the appearance of toleration of different viewpoints.
Yes it is a very minor issue to be taking up court time, but their
attitude to protestors of all sorts means that to try to shut it down
would be counterproductive - essentially they don't have any problems
with nutters going to court on small issues, but when it comes to big
decisions, forget local control. The previous government allowed
Auckland to make a decision on a local petrol tax - the new government
unilaterally stopped that, and is now telling the Auckland Council how
they are allowed to spend the remaining money - they will pass
legislation to stop local government making decisions they do not
like.

So as a ploy to keep votes, it works for the NACT1st government to not
interfere with silly disputes that don't matter, but in reality
freedum is just a slogan to cover progress towards the Atlas Network
goals.

Professions largely manage themselves - there has been little
discussion about why this requirement is there, but professional
development is a feature of most professions. Real estate is a fairly
new "profession", and compulsion or cultural sensitivity may not fit
well with the dog eat dog culture of some close to the edge "in it for
the quick buck" sales-people - cultural sensitivity , or even
sensitivity for others is just a mask for elections and getting what
you want. Most professions have provision for issues and disagreements
to be raised by members; I have no idea whether that has happened, but
for a 90 minute session it does seem a lot of fuss about nothing. From
a political viewpoint however, it is a great distraction from
important issues.