Breakfast in schools

[Fred]

Is it a good idea for govt. to provide breakfast/meals to hungry kids?
Anyone who is in anyway objective should read this.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/breakfast-schools-it-just-doesnt-work-ck-140329


It's a problem, but it's one of those 'there's got to be a better way'
things.

[Pooh]

"Fred" <dry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kn6c3b$t93$1...@dont-email.me...

Interesting article. Your comment is very true. But isn't the basis of the
policy that kids learn better if they're not hungry, rather than trying to
help families cut food costs?

Pooh

[Allistar]

I think it's a terrible idea. Parents who do not adequately feed their
childen are guilty of child abuse. We don't solve child abuse by allowing it
to continue. I am yet to see a parent who honestly cannot afford the 50c a
day it would cost to provide their child breakfast.
--
A.

[Fred]

So, given that kids have no power, how do you solve the 'non-feeding'
problem?

[Dave Doe]

In article <FPudnVg_f9FUQQvM...@giganews.com>,
m...@hiddenaddress.com, Allistar says...

What about forgetting about blaming the parents - that's a different
argument. Let's just feed the kids.

--
Duncan.

[Gordon]

Go on, walk a week in their shoes and report back.

[Enkidu]

Yeah right. The NBR is *objective*? As I said, yeah, right.

Crampton is in la-la land if he thinks that giving breakfast money
directly to the parents would go towards breakfast for the kids. The
money would get spent on other things, I'm absolutely sure. It certainly
won't provide a credible control group.

Cheers,

Cliff

[Enkidu]

I think the theory is that cutting food costs enables the saved money to
be spent on the kid's breakfast. Yeah right.

Cheers,

Cliff

[Fred]

So what's the best way? Working for families obviously failed. should
that be dropped in exchange for school meals?

[Rich80105]

No.

Is it coincidence that National has pushed through a 3c a litre
increase in petrol costs just after they set minimum wae and benefit
levels?

[Katipo]

>"Fred" wrote in message news:kn6c3b$t93$1...@dont-email.me...

Of course all this conveniently ignores the fact that the parents of most of
these kids are guilty of neglecting their kids.

[Patrick FitzGerald]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 10:26:36 +1200, Rich80105<rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Is it coincidence that National has pushed through a 3c a litre
>increase in petrol costs just after they set minimum wae and benefit
>levels?

As well Our Fuehrer Shonky and his nasty nat pals are inflicting GST
on top of those new savage taxes.





Patrick

[-Newsman-]

But guilty only if such neglect is knowing and wilful.

Much of the problem lies in the area of diminished responsibility
(i.e. low mentality) towards the need to prioritise family budgeting.


Housey and a couple of beers tonight with no thought whatever of the
need to feed the child in the morning is rife.

Worse, these same dullards - and their spawn - never stop breeding.

It's an inter-generational NZ pandemic sustained by dimbulb political
correctness and a trenchant, all-pervading culture of troughing
entitlement....from (yes) MPs and all the way down to the most pitable
dependent.

In all its well intentioned but wrong-minded egalitarianism, this is
what New Zealand has made of itself over many decades. It has no-one
to blame but itself because it is the product of shallow, short-term
thinking that has led to deep and damaging long-term consequences.

Self-perpetuating. Forever.

[victor]

The government is talking about providing assistance to the schemes
already in operation
https://kickstartbreakfast.co.nz/
http://www.kidscan.org.nz/
One would expect them to be objective.

[Pooh]

"Rich80105" <rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No more so than when Labour did it Dickie.

Pooh

[Pooh]

"Patrick FitzGerald" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
news:pp4gp85cm6q741sk9...@4ax.com...

Any less savage than when Labour introduced GST and managed to leave the
amount of tax for all higher than before it's introduction? And that before
increasing GST without giving any relief to beneficiaries. Or I suppose that
was okay because it was done for our own good was it Pratdick?

Pooh

[Ras Mikaere Enoch Mc Carty]

'SCHOOL FOOD OFFER'
DOCUMENTED WORLD-WIDE PLOT:

1st ——> Food Is Offered To School Children
2nd ——>Then 'ONLY' School Food Can Be Eaten.
No Food From Home Allowed.

(G.M.O. -&- Other Pesticide Poisons)

ᴾᴬᴬᴷᴱᴴᴬᴬ ᴰᴱᴹᴼᴺ ᴾᴼᴹ ᴾᴬᴬᴷᴱᴴᴬᴬ ᴰᴱᴹᴼᴺ ᴾᴼᴹ ᴾᴬᴬᴷᴱᴴᴬᴬ ᴰᴱᴹᴼᴺ ᴾᴼᴹ ᴾᴬᴬᴷᴱᴴᴬᴬ ᴰᴱᴹᴼᴺ ᴾᴼᴹ

U.S. STATE DEPT. MEMORANDUM #200:

Openly Stating That The Goal Is To
Use Famine And POISONS IN VACCINES,
Proxy Armies To Reduce Population.

EUGENICISTS (Bill Gates) GLOBALIST PLOT
TO MASS EXTERMINATE THE WORLD'S POPULATION
THROUGH WORLDWIDE POISON INJECTIONS
http://www.exorcist.org.nz/gates_of_hell.html

Bono's ONE Foundation Gives Little Over 1%
Of Funds To Charity.

ONE Foundation Said It Took No Money From The
Public And Most Of Its Funding Came From The
Bill And Melinda Gates Foundation Who Are For
Eugenics And Population Control Through False
Humanitarian Aide And Vaccine Injections.

BONO AND BILL GATES (KONY 2012)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNzzf76FV_c&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1t



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[misanthropic_curmudgeon]

On Sunday, 19 May 2013 10:26:36 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
[snip]

> National has pushed through a 3c a litre
> increase in petrol costs

When Labour did this sort of thing, you defended it as a tool to raise revenues for transport, and a means of encouraging people out of their cars and onto public transport.

So why the double standard, rich-bot?

[Allistar]

The net result is that now parents don't think feeding their children is
their responsibility. What's next? Clothing in schools? Blankets in schools?
--
A.

[Allistar]

Find parents who are not providing for their children and give them a
warning. If they continue the abuse then get CYFS involved.
--
A.

[Allistar]

If that's the case isn't it direct evidence of child abuse?
--
A.

[Allistar]

-Newsman- wrote:

> On Sun, 19 May 2013 10:36:25 +1200, "Katipo"
> <h.lau...@eggstra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>
>>>"Fred" wrote in message news:kn6c3b$t93$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>> Is it a good idea for govt. to provide breakfast/meals to hungry kids?
>>> Anyone who is in anyway objective should read this.
>>
>>> http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/breakfast-schools-it-just-doesnt-work-ck-140329
>>
>>
>>>It's a problem, but it's one of those 'there's got to be a better way'
>>>things.
>>
>>Of course all this conveniently ignores the fact that the parents of most
>>of these kids are guilty of neglecting their kids.
>
> But guilty only if such neglect is knowing and wilful.
>
> Much of the problem lies in the area of diminished responsibility
> (i.e. low mentality) towards the need to prioritise family budgeting.
>
> Housey and a couple of beers tonight with no thought whatever of the
> need to feed the child in the morning is rife.

If parents are that ignorant of the needs of their children then they should
not be allowed to keep them.

> Worse, these same dullards - and their spawn - never stop breeding.

And yet they are rewarded for doing so.

> It's an inter-generational NZ pandemic sustained by dimbulb political
> correctness and a trenchant, all-pervading culture of troughing
> entitlement....from (yes) MPs and all the way down to the most pitable
> dependent.

Absolutely correct.

> In all its well intentioned but wrong-minded egalitarianism, this is
> what New Zealand has made of itself over many decades. It has no-one
> to blame but itself because it is the product of shallow, short-term
> thinking that has led to deep and damaging long-term consequences.
>
> Self-perpetuating. Forever.

Those to blame in this are the parents who choose not to provide for their
children.
--
A.

[Rich80105]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 10:44:38 +1200, Allistar <m...@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

What do you think is preferable, Allistar? Starvation? Scabies?
Impetigo? Rheumatic Fever?

[Fred]

That's stupid. There is a problem, but there's little point in fixing it
by introducing a far bigger problem which it sounds like National are
about to do.

[Dave Doe]

In article <e5ydndoDT7uuyATM...@giganews.com>,
m...@hiddenaddress.com, Allistar says...

Absolute rubbish. We're talking about *some* parents, typically in the
lower decile group. You know that. I'm saying put that aside for the
moment - it's a different problem - and needs to be addressed in it's
own way.

But at least feed the kids.

--
Duncan.

[Allistar]

In a way that doesn't protect child abuse, yes.
--
A.

[Allistar]

None of those are preferable. They are the result of parents neglecting
their children. And you want to fix it by hiding one form of neglect but
allowing others? Really?

Think of the children.
--
A.

[Rich80105]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 10:46:08 +1200, Allistar <m...@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

CYFS people are already very busy with serious abuse issues - are you
happy with more taxes being levied to pay for more social workers?

[Pooh]

"Rich80105" <rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1kmip8t6jj6cd1as1...@4ax.com...

Maybe just expecting people to take responsability for their own actions
Dickhead. Something Labour has EVER done!

Pooh

[Enkidu]

Meanwhile the kids still suffer. As someone recently said on this group,
there's got to be a better way.

Cheers,

Cliff

[victor]

Did you stop providing breakfast for your children when the
Fonterra/Sanitarium kickstart program started ?

[victor]

Who is going to do this vital "finding" ?

[victor]

On 20/05/2013 10:44 a.m., Allistar wrote:

Sure, if it helps
http://www.kidscan.org.nz/our-work
Lets hear all about your charitable donations again ;)

[-Newsman-]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:00:28 +1200, Allistar <m...@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Actually, those to blame are the peabrained socialist masses who
mindlessly vote for this degenerate and socially corrosive nonsense to
continue and grow out of control. "For the sake of the choldron,"
they vacuously bleat in all their crass inanity.

Indeed, you now have the dire consequences of what New Zealanders have
enthusiastically condoned and consistently voted for over the last
50-plus years:

So what are you going to do about it that will have even the slightest
effect for the good, eh?

[-Newsman-]

First lesson each morning children should be asked to say whether or
not they had breakfast at home before leaving for school.

Then, let the witch hunts begin, followed up by public lynchings,
preferably on Seven Sharp or some other equivalent thinking person's
programme.

[Pooh]

"Enkidu" <enk...@cliffp.com.cliffp.com> wrote in message
news:51999e64$1...@news.actrix.co.nz...

Breakfasts in schools isn't a bad stopgap while something better is found.

Pooh

[Enkidu]

> Breakfasts in schools isn't a bad stopgap while something better is found.
>

Maybe. I don't like the idea of breakfasts in schools, but giving the
parents extra money certainly isn't going to work, and neither is
harassing the parents.

Cheers,

Cliff

[Allistar]

What programme? There was no such thing in my childrens school.
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A.

[Allistar]

Don't you consider not feeding children to be serious?

> - are you
> happy with more taxes being levied to pay for more social workers?

As opposed to more taxes being levied to pay for food that parents should be
paying for themselves?
--
A.

[victor]

On 20/05/2013 9:19 p.m., Allistar wrote:

>
> What programme? There was no such thing in my childrens school.
>

Why not ?

[Rich80105]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:19:39 +1200, Allistar <m...@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

That is how Corporate Charity works, Allistar - they did enough to get
a lot of favourable press, then they stopped the programme when the
publicity died down, now theya re planning to do it again in the year
before an election - but your school isn't significant enough to get
any help. Don't fool yourself that its anything about needs of the
families - this is all about selling careers, influence, legislative
support, and frinds in high places. Its not a good model to use for
running the country, is it?

[Dave Doe]

In article <KpadnTeMtJUrGwTM...@giganews.com>,

You're correct. It's a different topic though, yes. :)

--
Duncan.

[Allistar]

I have no idea - You should ask them.
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A.

[victor]

Remarkably clueless of you.
Why do you think Fonterra would help some schools and not others.
Think hard now, it can't be that difficult.

[Allistar]

victor wrote:

> On 21/05/2013 9:41 a.m., Allistar wrote:
>> victor wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/05/2013 9:19 p.m., Allistar wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What programme? There was no such thing in my childrens school.
>>>>
>>> Why not ?
>>
>> I have no idea - You should ask them.
>>
> Remarkably clueless of you.

And thus the conversation ends. Come back when you can have a dialog without
resorting to personal abuse.

> Why do you think Fonterra would help some schools and not others.
> Think hard now, it can't be that difficult.

--
A.

[victor]

On 21/05/2013 10:47 a.m., Allistar wrote:
> victor wrote:
>
>> On 21/05/2013 9:41 a.m., Allistar wrote:
>>> victor wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/05/2013 9:19 p.m., Allistar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What programme? There was no such thing in my childrens school.
>>>>>
>>>> Why not ?
>>>
>>> I have no idea - You should ask them.
>>>
>> Remarkably clueless of you.
>
> And thus the conversation ends. Come back when you can have a dialog without
> resorting to personal abuse.

Saying you have no idea is synonymous with saying you don't have a clue.
And it is remarkable.

[Pooh]

"Enkidu" <enk...@cliffp.com.cliffp.com> wrote in message

news:5199e0a4$1...@news.actrix.co.nz...

When alls said and done the breakfasts in school scheme gives a postive
result. Only eduction will help. Though considering schools have been
feeding kids since the begining of this century and probably before that it
doesn't seem to have taught some parents anything except to depand on others
to give their kids what they need.

Pooh

[Pooh]

"Rich80105" <rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Yet it's EXACTLY the model your much vaunted Labour/Green muppets use
Dickhead.

Pooh

[Rich80105]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:41:37 +1200, Allistar <m...@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

I've already given you an answer, Allistar:

That is how Corporate Charity works, Allistar - they did enough to get
a lot of favourable press, then they stopped the programme when the

publicity died down, now they are planning to do it again in the year

before an election - but your school isn't significant enough to get

any help. Don't fool yourself that it is anything about needs of the

families - this is all about selling careers, influence, legislative

support, and friends in high places. It's not a good model to use for

[Pooh]

"Rich80105" <rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:f0ilp8ltv9u57h362...@4ax.com...

So why are you so happy for Labour/Green to follow the same model Dickhead?

Pooh

[victor]

http://feedthekids.org.nz/2013/05/john-key-promises-support-for-food-in-schools/#more-8417

John Key on 3 February 2007 announcing a Food in Schools programme -
from his State of the Nation speech while in Opposition:
http://johnkey.co..nz/archives/25-National-launches-its-Food-in-Schools-programme.html
National Party Leader John Key has announced the first initiative in
what will be a National Food in Schools programme. "National is
committed to providing practical solutions to the problems which Helen
Clark says don't exist," says Mr Key.
During his State of the Nation speech on Tuesday, Mr Key indicated
National would seek to introduce a food in schools programme at our
poorest schools in partnership with the business community.
Mr Key has since received an approach from Auckland-based company Tasti
foods.
"I approached Wesley Primary School yesterday, a decile 1 school near
McGehan Close, a street that has had more than its fair share of
problems in recent times. I am told Wesley Primary, like so many schools
in New Zealand, has too many kids turning up hungry.
"We're putting Tasti and Wesley Primary together. This is a fantastic
first step. In addition to this, Tasti has indicated they may wish to
expand their generous donation of food to other schools in need, and
we'll be looking to facilitate that.
"We all instinctively know that hungry kids aren't happy and healthy kids."
Mr Key is also inviting other businesses to contact National so it can
work on expanding the programme.
"I want this to be the first of many schools and businesses that we put
together.
"I'm interested in what works and I am humbled by the support this idea
has received already.
"We are going to put together the package while in Opposition. We are
not waiting to be in Government, because all our kids deserve better."

[-Newsman-]

Yet wholly consistent, and to be expected.

[Pooh]

"victor" <us...@example.net> wrote in message
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The facts won't stop Dickhead pushing the same tired marxist lies.

Pooh