So does James Shaw actually have any degree or not?

[JohnO]

Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take from that what you will:

https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/

So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would want this cleared up.

[Tony]

You would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of
fraudulent behaviour however.

[Gordon]

And that is the important point, their record. Personally I care not whether
or not James Shaw has a degree, but like many his actions fall into the
neither confirm or deny basket, which a penny to a pound he has not got a
degree.

The court of public opinion will rule Okay.

[Tony]

Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
>On 2023-09-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>> JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take
>>>from that what you will:
>>>
>>>https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
>>>
>>>So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would
>>>want this cleared up.
>> You would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of
>> fraudulent behaviour however.
>
>And that is the important point, their record. Personally I care not whether
>or not James Shaw has a degree

Neither do I but I do care whether he tells the truth to the country., but

[Rich80105]

You have previously demonstrated that you are capable of at least
simple searches on the internet, Tony - so is your confusion or
deliberate misunderstanding or just yet another attempt to slur
someone that has never done you any harm? I do expect more from you
than from JohnO, but you chose to pick up and run with his silly post
- it does not show you in a good light.

Try looking at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaw_(New_Zealand_politician)

Note that this website merely says that he attended Wellington High
School and Victoria University of Wellington.

and
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/james-shaw

and to confirm it from yet another source, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management
where James Shaw is one of those listed as a Notable alumni, and its
link leads back to the Wikipedia article I gave above

2005 is a long time ago, and, like most people with a degree, it gives
them some knowledge and research skills to keep up with the
intellectual challenges of whatever field they choose to work in, but
more relevant now is that he has been a Member of Parliament since the
2014 election, and one of the Leaders of the Green Party since 2015.

[John Bowes]

Typical leftard twit! Out of touch with the reality his favoured politicians are liars just like him!

[Tony]

Put your abuse away you silly old man.
I did not slur James Shaw in any way at all.
You really do not have much ability to problem solve do you.
James Shaw has not demonstrated that he has a degree and as I have said I don't
care. But he does need to be honest in his position.
If he has a degree he should show that he has. The question has been asked of
him.
Oh by the way, shove your sarcasm up to the hilt.
And the other thing I mentioned is the history of the Green party to be
fraudulent. Does the name Metiria Turei mean anything to you.

[Willy Nilly]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Try looking at

None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.

Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.

[Rich80105]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:16:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony

James Shaw does not need to - I posted this link above, but clearly
you either did not read it or got confused again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management

(See under "Notable Alumni" . . . )

[John Bowes]

Wikipedia is only slightly less prone to bias and lies than you are Rich. Go read Willy Nilly's post above for some enlightenment though I know in your case it's a total waste of time...

[Rich80105]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:

Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.

Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/

[Tony]

That proves nothing other than he attended.
I read it, I am not confused, you are obfuscating.
Shaw needs to be honest.

[Tony]

Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>Try looking at
>>
>>None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
>>credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
>>
>>Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
>>be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
>>
>Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
>parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
>matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
>
>Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
>the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
>in making Mostly Untrue and False statements

Wikipedia is not a reliable site.
>
>https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Off topic by a country mile.

[JohnO]

Are you so stupid, so ignorant that you don't understand that wikipedia is not authoritative and that anyone can put anything there? Even wikipedia itself clearly states this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source

It is not an official University of Bath website.

Shaw allow UoB to supply his application and degree details. He's hiding something.

[JohnO]

*won't* allow

[JohnO]

That "fact check" is a joke as it accepts political claims at face value rather than actually checking them. It says: "False: No fruit and veg GST savings will be passed on to customers (Luxon) - Grocery Commissioner will monitor pricing to prevent this." - which simply believes a political statement from Labour.

However even the Ministry of Health says GST will not be saved by the consumer: https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/off-the-shelf/story/2018907819/ministers-were-advised-taking-gst-off-fruit-and-vege-would-not-lower-prices

Labour as per usual ignored that official advice, along with the universal advice of independent economists to the same effect. All Labour are interested in is getting the votes of stupid people who believe their BS.

[JohnO]

Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/

Like you, worthless.

[Rich80105]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:

That one is much the same as FALSE for : "• National supports school
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
lunches) pending a review of costs."

But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is
why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."

Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is
has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .

[John Bowes]

You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/

[Rich80105]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

Go to:
>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/

and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had
plummeted to 24 per cent.

Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would
look to attract those voters.

National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were “always close”. He said he didn’t
think the dip was down to concerns over the party’s tax plan including
allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.

Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in
2020 “fantastically well” and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.

Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.

NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with
Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.

There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."

[John Bowes]

So you live in hope that 12% will vote Labour?
1001 eligible voters? Why such a pissant number?

[John Bowes]

btw Rich. can you provide evidence that your degree isn't as mythical as Shaws seems to be?

[Tony]

Undecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for
determining what they will do.
So the debate is fatuous.

[JohnO]

My bet is that Labour get less than 25% in the election. Despondent lefties will be too apathetic and discouraged to bother voting so their polling will be overstated.

[Rich80105]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:27:45 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

That is the number of people surveyed - it balances cost against
greater accuracy.

[Rich80105]

They may have questioned other than on a strictly random basis, thus
skewing the results. It is why all poll results are irrelevant once
the actual election results are available.

[Rich80105]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:10:47 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>

Your muddled thinking still points out that the polls may be
unreliable.

[John Bowes]

Rubbish! It would almost suggest the poll has zero accuracy not greater accuracy. But then you ARE a serial liar like the left you support so vociferously:)

[John Bowes]

YOU accuse another of muddled thinking? YOU just posted this bs: That is the number of people surveyed - it balances cost against greater accuracy.

So maybe you need to decide whether the polls have greater accuracy or aren't worth the paper they're not printed on like so many of your claims!

[Tony]

Of course they are unreliable, but you continue to mention them. The undecided
mean nothing and the polls mean nothing. In a very short time there will be a
very meaningful poll - till then indulge your fantasies.

[Tony]

So why are you focussing on undecided voters - what a waste of your limited
ability.

[Rich80105]

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:40:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony

Clearly the whole discussion was beyond your limited mental faculties.
This was an unusual report in that it gave the level of undecided -
usually they just assume that undecided will vote in the same
proportions as those that have decided. Yes it makes the results less
meaningful - but still well above the level of meaning in your posts .
. .

[John Bowes]

Once again Rich the village idiot with an imaginary degree sees his own shortcomings in someone who's far smarter than Rich can ever hope to be!

[Tony]

More abuse from you and a stupid bit of illogical nonsense.
The entire converstaion is fatuous. you made absolutely no valid point but
persist with your Goebbels imitation.

[BR]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 16:31:32 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take from that what you will:
>
>https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
>
>So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would want this cleared up.

James Shaw is as phony as the man made climate change he deperately
wants to happen.

Bill.

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[John Bowes]

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 11:31:34 AM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
> Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take from that what you will:
>
> https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
>
> So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would want this cleared up.

An interesting read here about Shaw and the dubious degree:
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/

[Tony]

Well we don't know whether Shaw has a degree or not but Mr Brooks is absolutely
correct. We should be able to check whether people in positions of trust and
authority are as qualified as they say.
Having a degree proves very little about a persons ability. But claiming
incorrectly to have one tells us volumes about a persons integrity. So the
issue matters.