Getting rid of ants
Jonski
I've put down the slow-acting ant bait that they take back to the
nest, but they don't go for it. I think it's because the bait is
sweet, and I have a suspicion that the ants are the 'protein' kind,
just from observing their behaviour.
I've used the Raid liquid, and the Kiwicare gel bait, put it next to
the trail closest to the ant source, and although a few ants go for
it, they ignore it after only a few minutes. I've seen it work in the
past, where ants go wild for it for days, so I know how it's
*supposed* to work.
Does anyone know of a protein-based bait that will kill the nest in
the same way? I understand that you can mix up boric acid and sugar
syrup to make the normal bait (taking standard precautions), is there
any way to do similar with protein?
Cheers
Jon
Ms Z
"Jonski" <!spam...@ihug.co.nz.invalid> wrote in message
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I don't know anything about protein eating ants but we used to get heaps of
ants.. after unsuccessfully trying different kinds of killers, used everites
neverong ant killer (from the supermarket) and it worked a treat.. killing
the whole colony (found them all in a huge pile in the bathroom). Hate the
little critters.
Ms Z
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Sue Bilstein
>
>"Jonski" <!spam...@ihug.co.nz.invalid> wrote in message
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>> It's Auckland, so I've got ants.
>>
>> I've put down the slow-acting ant bait that they take back to the
>> nest, but they don't go for it. I think it's because the bait is
>> sweet, and I have a suspicion that the ants are the 'protein' kind,
>> just from observing their behaviour.
>>
>> I've used the Raid liquid, and the Kiwicare gel bait, put it next to
>> the trail closest to the ant source, and although a few ants go for
>> it, they ignore it after only a few minutes. I've seen it work in the
>> past, where ants go wild for it for days, so I know how it's
>> *supposed* to work.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a protein-based bait that will kill the nest in
>> the same way? I understand that you can mix up boric acid and sugar
>> syrup to make the normal bait (taking standard precautions), is there
>> any way to do similar with protein?
>
>I don't know anything about protein eating ants but we used to get heaps of
>ants.. after unsuccessfully trying different kinds of killers, used everites
>neverong ant killer (from the supermarket) and it worked a treat.. killing
>the whole colony (found them all in a huge pile in the bathroom). Hate the
>little critters.
>
We had some ants this summer that swarmed on anything fishy. Like
frozen fish defrosting in the pantry. We got them by crumbling cat
biscuits (tuna, salmon and sardine flavour) into the Yates liquid
ant-killer, which is a sugar syrup.
Jonski
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*plonk*
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Jonski <!spam...@ihug.co.nz.invalid> expelled:
> It's Auckland, so I've got ants.
>
and spread along their trails with a watering can seems to kill the buggers.
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George.com
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you can get some ant killer called Neverwrong/Neverong or something like
that. It has been around for years and like the Raid stuff you put it down
and the ants carry it back to their nest. It has always worked for me.
rob
Ashley
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> I don't know anything about protein eating ants but we used to get heaps
of
> ants.. after unsuccessfully trying different kinds of killers, used
everites
> neverong ant killer (from the supermarket) and it worked a treat.. killing
> the whole colony (found them all in a huge pile in the bathroom). Hate the
> little critters.
In my previous place, I tried all those "take back to the nest" remedies,
which kept the problem in check but never really made it go away. Now I've
cottoned on to spraying all my cupboard surfaces with Ant Ban or similar
spray (obviously, there should be no food in them at the time, and you
should then not place food directly on to those surfaces) and doing the same
all around the bench where it meets the wall (ditto for the food warning).
To be honest, I've found that much more effective at keeping ants out of the
kitchen than any of the poisons used to be. There's still zillions of the
buggers outside the house, but they don't worry me inside at all anymore. As
soon as I notice them coming inside again, I respray.
John Elsbury
wrote:
<snip>>
>you can get some ant killer called Neverwrong/Neverong or something like
>that. It has been around for years and like the Raid stuff you put it down
>and the ants carry it back to their nest. It has always worked for me.
>
>rob
You can make up your own with borax, boracic acid and sugar - it works
a treat. If anybody wants I'll hunt out the recipe. Cheap to make
and definitely works.
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Peter Aberrant
I found it takes about two years to get rid of ants, during that two years
you think, good they have gone, then not long later they are back,
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Tilly
>
> you can get some ant killer called Neverwrong/Neverong or something
> like that. It has been around for years and like the Raid stuff you
> put it down and the ants carry it back to their nest. It has always
> worked for me.
>
> rob
'Rebt to Kill' ant killer works far quicker.
Just cut up a few plastic drinking straws and squeeze some ant killer each
of them,then spread them around the house.Household pets can't get poisoned
this way and they can even be put outside.
This will get rid of the nests.
Tilly
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Mark Bondurant
> On Mon, 3 May 2004 21:41:44 +1200, "George.com" <rob...@ihug.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>>
>>you can get some ant killer called Neverwrong/Neverong or something like
>>that. It has been around for years and like the Raid stuff you put it down
>>and the ants carry it back to their nest. It has always worked for me.
>>
>>rob
>
> You can make up your own with borax, boracic acid and sugar - it works
> a treat. If anybody wants I'll hunt out the recipe. Cheap to make
> and definitely works.
Yes, my parents use this. Living in the central valley, they get the
nasty carivorous kind. They mix borax with hamburger. I remember one
time when a nest settled in the overhead light fixture in the hall. You
turned on the light and you could see them sillouetted (nasty things).
Mark
Tarla
I've been dealing with this problem for a year now. I got the no ants
bait and they love it at first, but stop going for it very quickly. I
keep my counters spotless but they still show up in hopes of a crumb
or a grain of sugar. I tried being nice. I tried being organic. I
finally got fed up and decided to go chemical. I bought a spray bottle
of "No Ants" spray by Kiwicare on Saturday. I haven't seen a live ant
since. I don't know what's in there, and I don't care. The ants are
not around, and that's all that matter to me at this point.
Tarla
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Gib Bogle
> As Rob said you need "Neverong" ant killer about $4 for a bottle,
>
> I found it takes about two years to get rid of ants, during that two years
> you think, good they have gone, then not long later they are back,
You can never get rid of them, you can just keep them outside for a while.
We have trivial ant problems compared with some. One of the final
scenes from "A Hundred Years of Solitude" has always stuck in my mind -
the corpse of the baby being carried off by ants.
Gib
Sonn
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ban, will keep ants away. Any surface sprayed or wiped with the stuff, they
won't go near.
S.
Tarla
I always imagine people with pig tails, myself. (Loved that book btw.)
Dan
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> the same way? I understand that you can mix up boric acid and sugar
> syrup to make the normal bait (taking standard precautions), is there
> any way to do similar with protein?
i used something called 'ant-ban' in a spray can a coupl eof months ago and
haven't seen them since. Brilliant.
Ashley
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> Anti-bacterial Spray'n'wipe, which persumarly is more food-safe than ant
> ban, will keep ants away. Any surface sprayed or wiped with the stuff,
they
> won't go near.
I'm anti anti-bacterial stuff on principle. 1. Our standards of cleanliness
are generally more than high enough to prevent most bacterial diseases. We
don't need to go round killing anymore of the blighters - indeed, there's a
definite school of thought that says we need to tolerate more of them for
the sake of our own health. 2. The more anti-bacterial anything you spread
around, the more quickly bacteria adapt and become immune to it, so the next
time you really need to kill some nasty blighters, they are immune to
everything you can throw at them and you're really in trouble.
Keep the anti-bacterial sprays/soaps etc in commercial kitchens, hospitals
and other high-risk environments where they belong.
Godfrey
"Jonski" <!spam...@ihug.co.nz.invalid> wrote in message
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Sonn
would prefer to spray your kitchen cupboards with chemical substances, fine
by me. I prefer something less harmful, and I don't have to clear the
cupboards first.
S.
Tilly
> I'm anti anti-bacterial stuff on principle. 1. Our standards of
> cleanliness are generally more than high enough to prevent most
> bacterial diseases. We don't need to go round killing anymore of the
> blighters - indeed, there's a definite school of thought that says we
> need to tolerate more of them for the sake of our own health. 2. The
> more anti-bacterial anything you spread around, the more quickly
> bacteria adapt and become immune to it, so the next time you really
> need to kill some nasty blighters, they are immune to everything you
> can throw at them and you're really in trouble.
>
> Keep the anti-bacterial sprays/soaps etc in commercial kitchens,
> hospitals and other high-risk environments where they belong.
Well put Ashley.There is proof that when people use anti-bacterial
soaps/sprays in the house it lowers their immune system .People need to have
bacteria around in order to boost their immunity.It is has been suggested
that using anti-bacterials may also be the reason why people develop
allergies.
Speaking from my own experience I used to be a bit fanatical about keeping
my house looking like House and Garden.I developed allergies and asthma
which I had never had before.
When I moved it was to place which is a different story to my former place
and also got a dog. Most of my allergies no longer occur and I rarely have
to use an inhaler, as long as I avoid certain household cleaners.
-Tilly-
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Kerry
wrote:
>Ashley wrote:
>> I'm anti anti-bacterial stuff on principle. 1. Our standards of
>> cleanliness are generally more than high enough to prevent most
>> bacterial diseases. We don't need to go round killing anymore of the
>> blighters - indeed, there's a definite school of thought that says we
>> need to tolerate more of them for the sake of our own health. 2. The
>> more anti-bacterial anything you spread around, the more quickly
>> bacteria adapt and become immune to it, so the next time you really
>> need to kill some nasty blighters, they are immune to everything you
>> can throw at them and you're really in trouble.
>>
>> Keep the anti-bacterial sprays/soaps etc in commercial kitchens,
>> hospitals and other high-risk environments where they belong.
>
>
>Well put Ashley.There is proof that when people use anti-bacterial
>soaps/sprays in the house it lowers their immune system .
What does 'lowers their immune system" mean?
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Teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks.
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Agnes Lovejoy Prune
part caused by having an immune system that gets so few work-outs that
it goes completely haywire about tiny unimportant challenges, and this
is due to overcleanliness.
A L P
te...@texasremovethisbit.usa.com
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Not what your looking for but a receipe that works!
[adjust for what you can buy in NZ stores]
It may take a week to 10 days to be fully effective.
In the meantime kill ants in the house with Windex [=Windolene] or
another ammonia-based cleaner. Clean and kill, all in one motion.
Recipe:
* 1 part 20 Mule Team Borax or Boric acid
* 9 parts of a sweet sticky liquid like maple syrup, honey or Karo
syrup
Mix the ingredients. Heating in a double boiler may speed the process.
Take an empty margarine tub and poke 4 holes around the bottom edge
(entry holes for ants to walk in).
Place a dollop the size of a quarter in the middle of the tub, then
put the top back on. This mixture is not non-toxic, however it is less
toxic, and that's the key to its success.
The ants carry it back to the nest where they feed it to the entire
colony and wipe out the nest.
IRO
Sue Bilstein <sue_bi...@yahoop.com> wrote:
> >> Does anyone know of a protein-based bait that will kill the nest in
> >> the same way? I understand that you can mix up boric acid and sugar
> >> syrup to make the normal bait (taking standard precautions), is there
> >> any way to do similar with protein?
> >
> >I don't know anything about protein eating ants but we used to get heaps of
> >ants.. after unsuccessfully trying different kinds of killers, used everites
> >neverong ant killer (from the supermarket) and it worked a treat.. killing
> >the whole colony (found them all in a huge pile in the bathroom). Hate the
> >little critters.
> >
>
> We had some ants this summer that swarmed on anything fishy. Like
> frozen fish defrosting in the pantry. We got them by crumbling cat
> biscuits (tuna, salmon and sardine flavour) into the Yates liquid
> ant-killer, which is a sugar syrup.
I know wasps need different sugar or protein based food at different
times of the year so it's feasible that ants have similar needs. Up in
the Marlborough Sounds the protein based wasp killers used fishy cat
food mixed with the chosen toxins.
Carbaryl is probably worth a try as the insects don't eat it while they
are carrying it back to the nest and aren't poisoned, but the brood or
workers in the nest do and die.
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My ambition in Life is to build something that will
REALLY last....at least until I've finished building it.
David Pears
<ashle...@XXXXXxtra.co.nz> wrote:
>I'm anti anti-bacterial stuff on principle. 1. Our standards of cleanliness
>are generally more than high enough to prevent most bacterial diseases. We
>don't need to go round killing anymore of the blighters - indeed, there's a
>definite school of thought that says we need to tolerate more of them for
>the sake of our own health. 2. The more anti-bacterial anything you spread
>around, the more quickly bacteria adapt and become immune to it, so the next
>time you really need to kill some nasty blighters, they are immune to
>everything you can throw at them and you're really in trouble.
>
>Keep the anti-bacterial sprays/soaps etc in commercial kitchens, hospitals
>and other high-risk environments where they belong.
I'm sorta like that, but with all other cleaners as well. As long as
UN inspectors in space suits don't come looking for biological
weapons, then you can put off cleaning another week. At least.
David
Ashley
> >
> Thank you for the lecture.
Who was lecturing? If you can't cope with my explaining why I wouldn't have
the stuff in the house and consider that lecturing, I suggest you might have
a problem.
Not. I'm talking ants here, not bacteria.
Whether you're talking ants or bacteria, the anti-bacterial agents will
still kill bacteria. No matter how nicely you ask them not to
You
> would prefer to spray your kitchen cupboards with chemical substances,
So what do you think anti-bacterial agents are made from? Rosewater?
fine
> by me. I prefer something less harmful, and I don't have to clear the
> cupboards first.
You might, however, have to vist a doctor later.
Sue Bilstein
"After the second year, the dust gets no worse."
- Quentin Crisp.
David Pears
<sue_bi...@yahoop.com> wrote:
>>>Keep the anti-bacterial sprays/soaps etc in commercial kitchens, hospitals
>>>and other high-risk environments where they belong.
>>
>>I'm sorta like that, but with all other cleaners as well. As long as
>>UN inspectors in space suits don't come looking for biological
>>weapons, then you can put off cleaning another week. At least.
>>
>
>"After the second year, the dust gets no worse."
>- Quentin Crisp.
Quentin Crisp obviously didn't have a desert just down the road.
David
Agnes Lovejoy Prune
A L P
geezer
"> I know wasps need different sugar or protein based food at different
> times of the year so it's feasible that ants have similar needs. Up in
> the Marlborough Sounds the protein based wasp killers used fishy cat
> food mixed with the chosen toxins.
Correct. Depends on their stage of their breeding cycle i believe.
geezer
Geez you lot make me laugh.
What is it about anti bacterial "sprays" that is not a "chemical substance"
for gods sake?
And just how do *you* assess the relative toxicities of anti bacterial
agents and those other chemical substances?
And what do you think pure ol' Janola or sodium hypochlorite aka bleach in
very common use the length and breadth of the country for decades is, if
not a f'n good anti bacterial agent? (along with common Sunlight and other
detergents)
Engage brain.
AKM
Wasn't there a study of anti-bacterial household cleaners a few months
ago that showed them to be of no special benefit at all? Except for
psychological benefits to the paranoid, plus financial benefits to the
sellers, that is.
geezer
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> geezer wrote:
> > Geez you lot make me laugh.
> >
> > What is it about anti bacterial "sprays" that is not a "chemical
substance"
> > for gods sake?
> >
> > And just how do *you* assess the relative toxicities of anti bacterial
> > agents and those other chemical substances?
> >
> > And what do you think pure ol' Janola or sodium hypochlorite aka bleach
in
> > very common use the length and breadth of the country for decades is,
if
> > not a f'n good anti bacterial agent? (along with common Sunlight and
other
> > detergents)
> >
> > Engage brain.
>
> Wasn't there a study of anti-bacterial household cleaners a few months
> ago that showed them to be of no special benefit at all? Except for
> psychological benefits to the paranoid, plus financial benefits to the
> sellers, that is.
That would figure, most houdsehold bacteria ain't that hard to kill,
certainly Janola will do the job as well as anything else.
Jonski
<!spam...@ihug.co.nz.invalid> wrote:
>It's Auckland, so I've got ants.
Thanks for everybody's replies. I think I'll for for mixing my
existing sweet bait with cat biscuits and see if that works. Or else
I'll try the Carbaryl. I'll report back here later.
Thanks for the recipies as well, but they all seem to be of the sweet
kind, which I have already found the ants ignore with vigour.
Cheers
Jon
Brian Logan
>Wasn't there a study of anti-bacterial household cleaners a few months
>ago that showed them to be of no special benefit at all? Except for
>psychological benefits to the paranoid, plus financial benefits to the
>sellers, that is.
I recall something about antibacterial handwashes etc needing to have
contact for at least 30 seconds and up to 5 minutes to have effect. A
long time before rinsing the soap off your hands.
b.
Kerry
wrote:
>That would figure, most houdsehold bacteria ain't that hard to kill,
>certainly Janola will do the job as well as anything else.
>
Hahaha
You evidence for this would be?
Most household bacteria are impossible to kill using the means that
the manufacturers are pushing...and you know what? It doesn;t matter
There are bacteria everywhere, and they do absolutely no harm at all
in the main.
AKM
Most of us happily live with the bacteria, even when we think that we've
killed them. They're not as bad as the marketing makes them out to be.
Ashley
"Kerry" <ker...@remove.ihugconz> wrote in message
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> Most household bacteria are impossible to kill using the means that
> the manufacturers are pushing...and you know what? It doesn;t matter
>
> There are bacteria everywhere, and they do absolutely no harm at all
> in the main.
Precisely.
DaveD
>
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 19:13:53 +1200, Jonski
> <!spam...@ihug.co.nz.invalid> wrote:
>
> >It's Auckland, so I've got ants.
>
Are they black bodied or brownish ?
D
geezer
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From: "Kerry" <ker...@remove.ihugconz>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Getting rid of ants
> On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:48:08 +1200, "geezer" <geez...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >That would figure, most houdsehold bacteria ain't that hard to kill,
> >certainly Janola will do the job as well as anything else.
> >
>
> Hahaha
>
> You evidence for this would be?
for what; that Janola is as good as anything else?
> Most household bacteria are impossible to kill using the means that
> the manufacturers are pushing
And your evidence for that is?
>...and you know what?
>It doesn;t matter
> There are bacteria everywhere, and they do absolutely no harm at all
> in the main.
Where did I say anything different?
Jonski
>Are they black bodied or brownish ?
99% are black, about 3-4 mm long. Your standard domestic ant. There
are others that are much smaller, <1mm and red-brown. It's the black
ones that I'm aiming for.
Cheers
Jon
DaveD
IME the black ones have the sweet tooth and "Neverong" (sp) discourages
them. Does take time though. They also seem to appear a few days to a
week before wet weather.
The brown ones seem to like protein.
Try mixing Neverong with some cooked animal fat .. has worked for me on
both types.
There would seem to be a thesis in this, or at least a science fair
project 8-)
How many types of ant do we have in Auckland, or NZ?
D
Tarla
I'm telling you, I sprayed the No Ants stuff on Saturday and still
haven't seen an ant.
Tarla
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