Waipoua Forest Stone City New Zealand.
Big Bazza
stone built settlement. The sheer size of it is stunning and so is the
fact that it is totally ignored by New Zealand. Here you have a unique
stone city or structures for New Zealand yet its destruction by tree
logging is being allowed. WHY!!!
http://www.everythingiselectric.com/new-zealand/waipoua-forest-stone-city.html
Barry
Pooh
"Big Bazza" <bigb...@no.address.org> wrote in message
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It's not ignored. most New Zealanders know you can see the identical
structures from one end of Northland to the other. They're fences built by
the first settlers. Not the remains of a long lost civilization that some
would like it to be.
Pooh
David
>
> Barry
Thats where my Celtic ancestors founded the Maori race, old chap.
Big Bazza
"Pooh" wrote in message news:j2vgak$2l5$1...@dont-email.me...
Pooh
But the early settlers of NZ and their buildings etc. have a historical
significance to now and future generations of New Zealanders,
surely!....They should (if not already) be listed as historical remnants of
early NZ settlement.
Countries do not neglect their historical past!......They are also of
interest as tourist attractions, such sites as these!
Barry
Big Bazza
"Big Bazza" wrote in message news:9bhglj...@mid.individual.net...
Pooh
Barry
What I neglected to add...They should be preserved for future generations to
come so they can see some of their past!
Barry
george152
An example of Ohmygolligee..
Been looked at and dismissed by all but a radical few
Pooh
There are miles of the walls still standing as far as I know. They were damn
near indestructible:)
Pooh
Ralph Fox
They are farm fences, and there are lots more of them all over Northland.
I used to live next to a working farm covered with such fences.
There are many places in Northland where tourists and future generations
can see these fences. Here is one:
<http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Three+Mile+Bush+Road,+Kamo,+NZ&hl=en&ll=-35.691322,174.264965&spn=0.077517,0.108833&sll=-35.691043,174.264965&sspn=0.077517,0.108833&vpsrc=0&z=13&layer=c&cbll=-35.691112,174.264999&panoid=dVQK3fGoOacvURZSNc8YfQ&cbp=12,1.02,,0,-2.27>
<http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/tracks-and-walks/northland/whangarei-area/pukenui-forest-tracks/>
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Kind regards
Ralph
colp
>
> Barry
Because the artifiacts don't fit into "accepted" history.
Ralph Fox
They certainly do fit in.
They were build by settlers.
Like these:
http://thisistheplace.org.nz/index.php?option=com_kttw&view=storydetails&story_id=436&Itemid=28
The destruction of these Australian structures is being allowed. Will colp
say that these Australian artifiacts don't fit into "accepted" history?
http://www.fadingvictoria.com/image/20090701XF9N2003/
http://www.fadingvictoria.com/image/20060704XF9N8424/
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Kind regards
Ralph
colp
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:46:55 -0700 (PDT), in message <1b3b581e-9c53-4947-bb0a-16081bbf1...@x11g2000prk.googlegroups.com>
>
> colp wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 5:52 pm, "Big Bazza" <bigba...@no.address.org> wrote:
> > > The Waipoua Forest Stone City, North Island, New Zealand is an amazing
> > > stone built settlement. The sheer size of it is stunning and so is the
> > > fact that it is totally ignored by New Zealand. Here you have a unique
> > > stone city or structures for New Zealand yet its destruction by tree
> > > logging is being allowed. WHY!!!
>
> > >http://www.everythingiselectric.com/new-zealand/waipoua-forest-stone-...
>
> > > Barry
>
> > Because the artifiacts don't fit into "accepted" history.
>
> They certainly do fit in.
> They were build by settlers.
You might as well say that they were built by people, for all the good
that it does for your argument.
george152
They are stone fences. Built by settlers used to building stone fences..
victor
>
> They are stone fences. Built by settlers used to building stone fences..
>
Looks pretty recent
If it was prehistoric that forest would have buried it.
Katipo
"Ralph Fox" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:46:55 -0700 (PDT), in message
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colp wrote:
> On Aug 23, 5:52 pm, "Big Bazza" <bigba...@no.address.org> wrote:
> > The Waipoua Forest Stone City, North Island, New Zealand is an amazing
> > stone built settlement. The sheer size of it is stunning and so is the
> > fact that it is totally ignored by New Zealand. Here you have a unique
> > stone city or structures for New Zealand yet its destruction by tree
> > logging is being allowed. WHY!!!
> >
> > http://www.everythingiselectric.com/new-zealand/waipoua-forest-stone-...
> >
> > Barry
>
> Because the artifiacts don't fit into "accepted" history.
> They certainly do fit in.
> They were build by settlers.
> Like these:
> http://thisistheplace.org.nz/index.php?option=com_kttw&view=storydetails&story_id=436&Itemid=28
The walls in Waipoua do not fit "accepted" history.
Why would the first European settlers that came here, around the early
1800s, build a stone wall in a thick forest? Surely it would have been much
easier to cut down a few trees to build a wooden wall, than haul all those
stones into the forest?
A much more likely explanation is that the wall was built at a when the
forest was not so dense. In other words before the Maori arrived.
george152
>
>
> "Ralph Fox" wrote in message
> news:o63h57pa31f9k4ksn...@4ax.com...
>> They certainly do fit in.
>> They were build by settlers.
>> Like these:
>> http://thisistheplace.org.nz/index.php?option=com_kttw&view=storydetails&story_id=436&Itemid=28
>>
>
> The walls in Waipoua do not fit "accepted" history.
>
> Why would the first European settlers that came here, around the early
> 1800s, build a stone wall in a thick forest? Surely it would have been
> much easier to cut down a few trees to build a wooden wall, than haul
> all those stones into the forest?
>
> A much more likely explanation is that the wall was built at a when the
> forest was not so dense. In other words before the Maori arrived.
>
>
Read the article !
Katipo
"george152" wrote in message
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> Read the article !
The article only reinforces my earlier comments, especially the part that
says Maori have no explanation for it.
If it had been built by early European settlers (i.e it is no more than a
couple hundred years old) Maori would easily be able to explain it and would
have no reason not to do so.
John Cawston
>
>
> "Ralph Fox" wrote in message
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>
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:46:55 -0700 (PDT), in message
> <1b3b581e-9c53-4947...@x11g2000prk.googlegroups.com>
> colp wrote:
>
>> On Aug 23, 5:52 pm, "Big Bazza" <bigba...@no.address.org> wrote:
>> > The Waipoua Forest Stone City, North Island, New Zealand is an amazing
>> > stone built settlement. The sheer size of it is stunning and so is the
>> > fact that it is totally ignored by New Zealand. Here you have a unique
>> > stone city or structures for New Zealand yet its destruction by tree
>> > logging is being allowed. WHY!!!
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.everythingiselectric.com/new-zealand/waipoua-forest-stone-...
>> >
>> > Barry
>>
>> Because the artifiacts don't fit into "accepted" history.
>
>
>> They certainly do fit in.
>> They were build by settlers.
>> Like these:
>> http://thisistheplace.org.nz/index.php?option=com_kttw&view=storydetails&story_id=436&Itemid=28
>>
>
> The walls in Waipoua do not fit "accepted" history.
>
> Why would the first European settlers that came here, around the early
> 1800s, build a stone wall in a thick forest?
Probably because there was no forest there.. the trees in the background
look to be Pinus radiata 20 plus years old.
Also, stone wall building was common in the early days where there was
plenty of stone. The Wairarapa Plains and Canterbury used to be dotted
with stone fences running a kilometer or so.. its what the pioneers were
used to using before they came out.
Surely it would have been
> much easier to cut down a few trees to build a wooden wall, than haul
> all those stones into the forest?
There was a history of building with stone in the area.. remember the
"Stone Store" in Kerikeri built in 1832?
JC
JC
Katipo
"John Cawston" wrote in message news:j3epdq$c5i$1...@dont-email.me...
On Monday, 29/Aug-2011 9:22 a.m., Katipo wrote:
>
>
> "Ralph Fox" wrote in message
> news:o63h57pa31f9k4ksn...@4ax.com...
>
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:46:55 -0700 (PDT), in message
> <1b3b581e-9c53-4947...@x11g2000prk.googlegroups.com>
> colp wrote:
>
>> On Aug 23, 5:52 pm, "Big Bazza" <bigba...@no.address.org> wrote:
>> > The Waipoua Forest Stone City, North Island, New Zealand is an amazing
>> > stone built settlement. The sheer size of it is stunning and so is the
>> > fact that it is totally ignored by New Zealand. Here you have a unique
>> > stone city or structures for New Zealand yet its destruction by tree
>> > logging is being allowed. WHY!!!
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.everythingiselectric.com/new-zealand/waipoua-forest-stone-...
>> >
>> > Barry
>>
>> Because the artifiacts don't fit into "accepted" history.
>
>
>> They certainly do fit in.
>> They were build by settlers.
>> Like these:
>> http://thisistheplace.org.nz/index.php?option=com_kttw&view=storydetails&story_id=436&Itemid=28
>>
>
> The walls in Waipoua do not fit "accepted" history.
>
> Why would the first European settlers that came here, around the early
> 1800s, build a stone wall in a thick forest?
> Probably because there was no forest there.. the trees in the background
> look to be Pinus radiata 20 plus years old.
The Waipoua forest is centuries old.
If the area was cleared by 18th century stone masons, it does not explain
why they would haul numerous tons to stone into the forest when they had a
whole lot of freshly felled timber lying about. Nor does it explain why
Maori (so they claim) know nothing about how the stone structures got there.
victor
Why build a wall before the Maori arrived ?
The reason Europeans built dry stone walls was to keep livestock out of
the garden.
Now if there was some evidence of pre Maori settlement animals that
could be confined by walls you might be on to something.
A wooden fence would rot pretty quickly, as would wooden dwellings.
A dry stone wall would last until the forest humus buried it.
In the case of a pre Maori dry stone wall built for no reason, it would
be buried
In the case of a 19th century settlers dry stone wall built to keep the
livestock out of the garden in a slash and burn small holding, it would
be partly buried.
As it is.
John Cawston
Thats the Kauri forest, but those trees are Pradiata which indicates a
different area within the general forest boundaries.
>
> If the area was cleared by 18th century stone masons, it does not
> explain why they would haul numerous tons to stone into the forest when
> they had a whole lot of freshly felled timber lying about.
They didn't haul them far.. the area is noted for its volcanic stone.
Indeed, the Stone Store is built where there would have been prolific
native timber and has a major native reserve there to this day.
Nor does it
> explain why Maori (so they claim) know nothing about how the stone
> structures got there.
Tourism thrives on bullshit.
JC
>
Pooh
"colp" <co...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
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You can find the same walls all over Northland Colp.
Pooh
Pooh
"Katipo" <h.lau...@eggstra.co.nz> wrote in message
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If you have a look here http://www.celticnz.co.nz/waipoua_fs.html you'll see
that most if not all the trees are pines.
Pooh
Lyndon Watson
> "colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
> > On Aug 27, 6:48 pm, Ralph Fox <-rf-...@-.invalid> wrote:
> > > Because the artifiacts don't fit into "accepted" history.
> > They certainly do fit in.
> > They were build by settlers.
> You might as well say that they were built by people, for all the good
> that it does for your argument.
>
And in Mid- and South Canterbury, too. Put them out on the stony
plain and away from the forest, and they just look like what they are
- field boundaries built by Pakeha settlers using stones that would
otherwise have had to be carted away.
LW