Pounamu - tapu?
Clay
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay
The Hobbit
"Clay" <ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FoSD4.2$HRW1....@news.xtra.co.nz...
From what I recall - you shouldn't buy greenstone for yourself as it is
supposed to be gifted. I think you are also supposed to get it blessed by a
tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
Good luck!
Newsman
Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman
The Hobbit
"Col" <cfra...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:DgvgOGGB7E2TNS...@4ax.com...
I'm sure you just make a gift... probably not in the range of a tonne of
snapper like the gift to the 4 year old northland maori boy a year back -
but a gift none the less - I took a couple of friends from Sweden to get
this done and they happily parted with $40 for the 'cultural experience' the
elders appeared to be happy with that... (it was 2 items however)
Gabe
>
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:11:13 +1200, "The Hobbit"
> <Bilbo....@Bag.End.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Clay" <ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:FoSD4.2$HRW1....@news.xtra.co.nz...
> >> Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
> >> daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
> >> reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
> >> other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
> >> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
> >> and cannot recall why!
> >
> >
> >From what I recall - you shouldn't buy greenstone for yourself as it is
> >supposed to be gifted. I think you are also supposed to get it blessed by a
> >tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
> >
> >Good luck!
>
>
> Newsman
To Maoris it may not be silly superstitious stuff but not being Maori I
would agree with you Newsman.
Gabe
Gabe
Having said that though, there probably is a good reason for their
superstition. you might have to look back a long way to find out the
reason but it is probably there.
cheers
Gabe
Patrick Fitzgerald
:
::
::i have been sending greenstone to people for years . none have had an evil act
::befall them .It is a lot of supersticous nonsense .
Dead right Col.
But I guess it is a nice little earner for some
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Greg
"Clay" <ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
ahh the good old days in the TAPU pub .. :)
I like food, food tastes good.
>
> Silly, superstitious malarkey.
>
> Newsman
Newsman, what is your last name?
The Hobbit
<Snip>
> i have been sending greenstone to people for years . none have had an
evil act
> befall them .It is a lot of supersticous nonsense .
Agreed IMO. However, the question was regarding the 'correct' way to deal
with it, and I guess the blessing could be considered the correct method,
it's up to Clay to do whatever from there...
It's a bit like diving at the poor knights (until the ban is lifted by the
local tribe on Thursday (?) ) Probably won't kill ya, it'd be coincidental
if anything bad *did* happen, but those who feel the need to respect the
local tribes wishes can do so.
I like food, food tastes good.
So you assume my first name is "I", and I have four middle names, with
the second and third being exactly the same. Or was I married to a Mrs
Like, Food, another Mrs Food, and then Mrs Tastes.
Clay
"Kirsty" <kirst...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:38E00C05...@yahoo.com...
> It's a pendant. There is nothing special about it. Does it matter what
your
> grandma told you?
>
Yep, it matters if there is a niggling doubt that is causing some concern.
Also, I don't want us to offend any of the rellies. Ever had that feeling
that you *know* you have done something wrong, but can't quite work out what
it is?
Clay
KPW
says...
Part of this is the high esteem in which greenstone is held and a wish to
treat it as something special and not just an lump of coloured rock. I
guess it's all in the attitude of the owner. If greenstone is just a
stone to you, then that's all you are giving your relatives. If it is
loaded with culture and history, then your gift has a whole added
dimension. Having the pendant blessed is a way of signifying the worth of
the gift to you and to them.
But also there is a Polynesian attitude to gift giving, which I quite
like. Most of the value of a little taonga such as a pendant, whether
made from greenstone or anything else, is it's mana; what we Europeans
might call it's sentimental value. Something bought off the shelf or made
for oneself is just a trinket, no matter what it is made of or how
finely worked it might be. When it is given with love it carries the mana
of the giver and of the occasion on which it was given. The more people
who have owned a taonga and the more times it has been given, the more
mana it has. Consider yourself highly esteemed in a Samoan or Tongan or
Fijian gathering if the finely woven mat given to you is the old tatty
one.
Blessing an item means to set it aside for a special purpose: here
probably to mark some significant relationship between you and the people
receiving it. You could get an elder to bless it, or any priest or
minister or do it yourself. If you don't do it there is no suggestion you
have broken tapu. But your gift might have added meaning for the
recipients if you do.
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Kelvin Wright
Dunedin
New Zealand
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Greg
>
> Having said that though, there probably is a good reason for their
> superstition. you might have to look back a long way to find out the
> reason but it is probably there.
>
> cheers
>
> Gabe
hubble bubble toil and trouble
Kathy
Col wrote >i have been sending greenstone to people for years . none have
had an evil act
>befall them .It is a lot of supersticous nonsense .
Sssssh, Col, before Dave Joll starts accusing you of hysteria and bigotry.
Don Mackie
<cfra...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> i have been sending greenstone to people for years . none have had an
evil act
> befall them .
So it's like a chain letter? Or the opposite perhaps.
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Brian Dooley
<smar...@spam.sucks.iprolink.co.nz> wrote:
>Newsman wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:11:13 +1200, "The Hobbit"
>> <Bilbo....@Bag.End.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Clay" <ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:FoSD4.2$HRW1....@news.xtra.co.nz...
>> >> Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
>> >> daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
>> >> reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
>> >> other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
>> >> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
>> >> and cannot recall why!
>> >
>> >
>> >From what I recall - you shouldn't buy greenstone for yourself as it is
>> >supposed to be gifted. I think you are also supposed to get it blessed by a
>> >tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
>> >
>> >Good luck!
>>
>> Silly, superstitious malarkey.
>>
>> Newsman
>
>To Maoris it may not be silly superstitious stuff but not being Maori I
>would agree with you Newsman.
You tell me how much a blessing costs and I'll tell you whether
it's silly, superstitious malarkey or not.
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
e_l_l_e
well said! You've put into words the thoughts that were going
around in my head when I first read this thread yeasterday...
how you do that???
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Kirsty
Didn't mean to knock your beliefs, i just don't' believe in this sort of thing
myself that is all. But if you've got a doubt best to sort it out. Since it was
your daughter who bought it, have you asked her how she feels about it, Maybe
she doesn't feel there is anything wrong, in which case you could leave it.
Clay wrote:
> "Kirsty" <kirst...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:38E00C05...@yahoo.com...
> > It's a pendant. There is nothing special about it. Does it matter what
> your
> > grandma told you?
> >
> Yep, it matters if there is a niggling doubt that is causing some concern.
> Also, I don't want us to offend any of the rellies. Ever had that feeling
> that you *know* you have done something wrong, but can't quite work out what
> it is?
> Clay
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Clay
"Brian Dooley" <bri...@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
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wish.
Clay
J.Andrew
>
>well said! You've put into words the thoughts that were going
>around in my head when I first read this thread yeasterday...
>how you do that???
>
>
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Clay
"e_l_l_e" <e_l_l_e...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> well said! You've put into words the thoughts that were going
> around in my head when I first read this thread yeasterday...
> how you do that???
>
Yes, well said indeed. But, no-one has answered my question yet :-(
It was not bought as a gift, it was purchased by my daughter for herself.
She has now been told that it is extremely unlucky and has put it away,
never to be worn again.
Is it considered unlucky to buy for your own use? Should she give it away
(but, then again, if it was not bought to be given as a gift, won't that
demean the giving)?
Should she get it blessed?
Can anyone enlighten us on the correct (Maori) way of dealing with pounamu?
Thanks.
Clay
KPW
ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com says...
>
> "e_l_l_e" <e_l_l_e...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1edcb7d4...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com...
> >
> > well said! You've put into words the thoughts that were going
> > around in my head when I first read this thread yeasterday...
> > how you do that???
> >
>
> Yes, well said indeed. But, no-one has answered my question yet :-(
> It was not bought as a gift, it was purchased by my daughter for herself.
> She has now been told that it is extremely unlucky and has put it away,
> never to be worn again.
> Is it considered unlucky to buy for your own use?
rings are given to signify engagement, and have a special meaning when so
given or received. But there's nothing to stop anybody buying one for
their own use.
> Should she give it away
Why? If she likes it why not wear it?
> (but, then again, if it was not bought to be given as a gift, won't that
> demean the giving)?
Not at all. In fact, if she wore it for a while and became attached to
it, the giving would be enhanced if/when she finally did give it away.She
could wear it with the purpose of eventually giving it away, and be on
the look out for the right person to receive it in 1, 5, 10 or 50 years'
time
> Should she get it blessed?
Not necessarily. But if she is that worried about it by all means have it
blessed. As her father, you are perfectly entitled to do that.
You could use these words:
I runga i te Whakapono o Ihu Karaiti
ka whakatapu e tatou tenei taonga
i runga i te ingoa o te Matua, o te Tama, o te Wairua Tapu.
(In the faith of Jesus Christ,
we bless this treasure
in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit)
But if you prefer, trot along to your local priest/minister/kaumatua. It
should take 2 minutes and will cost you nothing
> Can anyone enlighten us on the correct (Maori) way of dealing with pounamu?
> Thanks.
I am confident in what I have just told you but I would not presume to
any authority in the Maori world.
Dave Joll
>Silly, superstitious malarkey.
If you're really that down on superstition, why not have
a go at the christians? They're much more heavily established.
Clay
"KPW" <kel...@nospam.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:MPG.134c5b6b1...@news.dun.ihug.co.nz...
Kia Ora "KPW" - I appreciate it.
Clay
Synch
Greenstone must be gifted to somebody. It is extremely bad luck to keep it
for yourself. Greenstone can be blessed after or before it has been gifted
to you, it is then yours for ever. You can gift it on but it is very
valuable to you or the person who has it once you die.
A friend of mine had some blessed greenstone stolen and this all came up.
The person who stole it has brought spiritual shame on themselves and their
family and will suffer etternal bad luck for it. Apparently.
The main thing to remember is you can't ever buy it for yourself. It must
be gifted or it will cause you harm.
I think the story is something to do with it being a gift from the land to
you and when you accept it you must always have it with you.
Good luck, give it away.
Clay <ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FoSD4.2$HRW1....@news.xtra.co.nz...
> Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
> daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
> reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
> other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
> and cannot recall why!
> Thanks.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
>
Geoff McCaughan
> I guess you've already got the answer. But here it is again. Bone and
> Greenstone must be gifted to somebody. It is extremely bad luck to keep it
> for yourself.
> The main thing to remember is you can't ever buy it for yourself. It must
> be gifted or it will cause you harm.
Would you care to provide a reference to back up these ridiculous
assertions?
KPW
geoff_m...@trimble.com says...
founded piece of mythology myself. I haven't succeeded. If you believed
it you would never leave the country, because every plane out is at least
half full of tourists who are staggering under the weight of all the
greenstone knick nacks bought for themselves and their friends. Take a
look at any of the Many maori cultural sites on the web and you will find
them more than happy to sell greenstone for the personal use of anyone
with a visa card.
Patrick Fitzgerald
<synch_@*nospam*hotmail.com> wrote:
::I guess you've already got the answer. But here it is again. Bone and
::Greenstone must be gifted to somebody. It is extremely bad luck to keep it
::for yourself.
Wow back to the stone age. !!
I off to get some greenstone which I am going to keep for myself.
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amount of money to be made out of blessing it to calm the fears of
the misguided
Where can I go to get trained in the blessing racket ?
I like food, food tastes good.
>
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:17:42 +1200, "Synch"
> <synch_@*nospam*hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ::I guess you've already got the answer. But here it is again. Bone and
> ::Greenstone must be gifted to somebody. It is extremely bad luck to keep it
> ::for yourself.
>
> Wow back to the stone age. !!
>
> I off to get some greenstone which I am going to keep for myself.
I consider this land belonging to me as much as any other person
currently residing on it. I think something that comes from this land,
equally deserves to be subjected to my anti-dogmatic unritualistic
make-your-own-rules culture (which IS beautiful in itself), as the
Maori's. I don't consider Maori's to have a monopoly on the dealings
with greenstone, their ways are no more valid than mine. Enjoy your
greenstone Partick, fart on it for me.
Pip
Patrick Fitzgerald <patr...@netaccess.co.nz> wrote in message
news:38e2b642...@news.netaccess.co.nz...
> I bet the basis for all this greenstone ridiculous superstition is the
> amount of money to be made out of blessing it to calm the fears of
> the misguided
>
> Where can I go to get trained in the blessing racket ?
Hey Mate...you expect people to show you respect over your views....so why
dont you show a bit of respect to someone elses views.....whether they be
mumbo-jumbo,documentated fact or whatever..
Just a thought
Pip
Keith Whitehead
patr...@netaccess.co.nz (Patrick Fitzgerald) wrote:
> I bet the basis for all this greenstone ridiculous superstition is the
> amount of money to be made out of blessing it to calm the fears of
> the misguided
>
> Where can I go to get trained in the blessing racket ?
Such cutural sensitivity...
You said in a different thread that you do not start abuse...well this
shows that to be untrue. The post of yours would be considered an attack
on a cultural belief and be offensive to those holding those beliefs.
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newsman
Whitehead) wrote:
>In article <38e2b642...@news.netaccess.co.nz>,
>patr...@netaccess.co.nz (Patrick Fitzgerald) wrote:
>
>> I bet the basis for all this greenstone ridiculous superstition is the
>> amount of money to be made out of blessing it to calm the fears of
>> the misguided
>>
>> Where can I go to get trained in the blessing racket ?
>
>Such cutural sensitivity...
>
>You said in a different thread that you do not start abuse...well this
>shows that to be untrue. The post of yours would be considered an attack
>on a cultural belief and be offensive to those holding those beliefs.
>
If a belief has any robustness whatever it will be impervious to any
'attack' made on it. Otherwise it might as well just die like any
other moribund creation, real or imagined.
Newsman
Patrick Fitzgerald
::Hey Mate...you expect people to show you respect over your views....so why
::dont you show a bit of respect to someone elses views.....
I do not have to show respect for irrational superstitous nonsesnse.
KPW
patr...@netaccess.co.nz says...
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:59:15 +1200, "Pip" <pip...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> ::Hey Mate...you expect people to show you respect over your views....so why
> ::dont you show a bit of respect to someone elses views.....
>
> I do not have to show respect for irrational superstitous nonsesnse.
And I'd agree with you on that statement. But do realise that what you
are condemning in this thread is not traditional Maori practice or belief
but the bastardised version of it which has drifted into Pakeha
consciousness as superstition.
Keith Whitehead
new...@paradise.net.nz (newsman) wrote:
> If a belief has any robustness whatever it will be impervious to any
> 'attack' made on it. Otherwise it might as well just die like any
> other moribund creation, real or imagined.
Then all religious beleif should be canned, It would seem to me that
they all say they are the one and only true faith...this gives the
suspicion that at least a few a probably wrong.
Patrick Fitzgerald
Finds tongues in trees, books in the running rooks,
Sermons in stones and good in everything.
Patrick Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald) wrote:
OOPS !! its not running rooks - but running brooks
::
::
So here is te correct version
::
::
Finds tongues in trees, books in the running brooks,
Keith Whitehead
patr...@netaccess.co.nz (Patrick Fitzgerald) wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:59:15 +1200, "Pip" <pip...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
> ::Hey Mate...you expect people to show you respect over your views....so why
> ::dont you show a bit of respect to someone elses views.....
>
> I do not have to show respect for irrational superstitous nonsesnse.
So you give yourself divine right to decide on the validity of someone
elses faith , beliefs , and cultural values. Do you confer this right on
everyone else to make judgements on your values ?
Tim the Tower Man
> "Clay" <ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FoSD4.2$HRW1....@news.xtra.co.nz...
> > Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
>
> ahh the good old days in the TAPU pub .. :)
Are you referring to the DB Poenamo on the North Shore?
Different spelling?
Or is the spelling in the thread title incorrect?
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"Tim the Tower Man" <I.dont....@m.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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> Greg wrote:
>
> > "Clay" <ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:FoSD4.2$HRW1....@news.xtra.co.nz...
> > > Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is?
My
> >
> > ahh the good old days in the TAPU pub .. :)
>
> Are you referring to the DB Poenamo on the North Shore?
> Different spelling?
> Or is the spelling in the thread title incorrect?
no the tapu pub on the coromandel thames coast :) some bloody nice weed down
them areas
falanh...@gmail.com
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:11:13 +1200, "The Hobbit"
>
> >
> >"Clay" <ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:FoSD4.2$HRW1....@news.xtra.co.nz...
> >> Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
> >> reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
> >> other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
> >> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
> >> and cannot recall why!
> >
> >
> >supposed to be gifted. I think you are also supposed to get it blessed by a
> >tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
> >
> >Good luck!
>
> Silly, superstitious malarkey.
>
> Newsman
That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenous culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign concept for you judging by the post you've made.So let me help you out a little by excusing you for your ignorance and advising you...dont bother talking about issues you have no knowledge about-you make yourself appear even stupider than you probably look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.
-Newsman-
wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 28, 2000 9:00:00 PM UTC+13, Newsman wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:11:13 +1200, "The Hobbit"
>> <Bilbo....@Bag.End.com> wrote:
>> >"Clay" <ct...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:FoSD4.2$HRW1....@news.xtra.co.nz...
>> >> daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
>g
>> >> other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. =
> I
>> >> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purc=
>> >> and cannot recall why!
>> >
>> >
>> >From what I recall - you shouldn't buy greenstone for yourself as it is
>> >tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
>> >
>> >Good luck!
>> Silly, superstitious malarkey.
>>=20
>> Newsman
>
>Dear "Newsman":
>That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenou=
>s culture.
Once again for the slow learners:
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If a belief has any robustness whatever it will be impervious to any
'attack' made on it. Otherwise it might as well just die like any
other moribund creation, real or imagined.
Ras Mikaere Enoch Mc Carty
Newsman wrote:
>Silly, superstitious malarkey.
.
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GREENSTONE (Pounamu)
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In The Wholesale Theft Of Minerals And Resources
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By PAAKEHAA
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that reverberated throughout the movement,
Grey threatened to dig around the Kiingitanga
until it fell."
-- John Gorst
Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.
Patrick
george152
> There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
> Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
> geological processes.
>
Ras Mikaere Enoch Mc Carty
"Patrick FitzGerald" wrote:
≤⅗ There is no tapu or other superstitious magic
≤⅗ associated with Pounamu.
.
Paakehaa Patrick ——> Ignorant Euro Ha'ole To
Maaori (Māori) Protocol
TAPU:
Pounamu Mere = Not To Be Sat Upon
MAGIC:
Kohukohu \ Kangakanga = Curse On Paakehaa
Mineral Thieves
Kai Oraora = Cursing Song Against Paakehaa
Mineral Thieves
FITZPATRICK:
Cursed Norman Surname Denoting 1066 A.D. Invasion
Thieving Double-Dealing Double-Helix D.N.A.
Stealing Irish Heritage, Not Irish At All.
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Pooh
"george152" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
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we all know Pratsie NEVER makes spelling mistakes in his moronic rants.
Pooh
Patrick FitzGerald
geological processes.
Patrick
george152
I find that if I post a spelling flame I get something spelt wrong in
spite of the spell checker....
BR
>>
>> Newsman
>
>Dear "Newsman":
>That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenous
>culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign concept for you judging
>knowledge about-you make yourself appear even stupider than you probably
>look in person keyboard warrior.
>Kind regards.
Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.
Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.
Bill.
-Newsman-
resembles a dollar sign.
And what about 'secretive taniwha that rise up from swamps and river
beds every now and again, demanding a tithe from Transit New Zealand?'
Anyone ever seen one? What's the going rate for a rising-up?
Allistar
> Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.
--
A.
Rich80105
wrote:
victor
>>
>> I'm with Newsman on this rare occasion.
>>
>> Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.
>
> Sounds must like a lot of western "culture".
>
>> Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.
>
> Don't forget gods.
>
geopelia
"-Newsman-" <sla...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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An offended taniwha could be dangerous.
Perhaps State Highway 2 near Mangatawhiri should be checked for taniwhas.
Older Maori might know if one is around there.
The death rate is far too high for a modern road.
As for greenstone, the Warehouse sells something similar as jade.
I doubt there is much difference.
Rich80105
wrote:
Warehouse material is probably China.
David
He tapu hoki he ingoa anake,
he tapu te pounamu,
he tapu nga taonga katoa.
He aha te raruraru?
Naku noa na Rawiri...
geopelia
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corpse from decay?
Remember the princes they found some years ago in suits made of jade?
Katipo
> >From what I recall - you shouldn't buy greenstone for yourself as it is
> >supposed to be gifted. I think you are also supposed to get it blessed
> >by a
> >tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
> >
> >Good luck!
>
-Newsman-
<A...@any.where.ver> wrote:
>On , , Fri, 24 May 2013 12:14:26 +1200, Re: Pounamu - tapu?, george152
Either is OK.
geopelia
But I spell the spelling word either way, too.
If in doubt use "written".
eva...@gmail.com
> Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
> daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
> reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
> other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
> and cannot recall why!
>
> Clay
It's a sign of respect (not just superstitious) if you're gonna wear something that's sacred to a race. Than quit your bullshit and abide by the tradition. If not, stick to the gold and silver eh.
David
He rau moemiti...
george152
pounamu carvings all with a price ticket on them.
For greenstone and jade the same applies
David
> Go down to the markets and there will be stalls there loaded with
>
> pounamu carvings all with a price ticket on them.
>
> For greenstone and jade the same applies
george152
to resemble some culture or other as being 'sacred' ?
David
> So what's all this nonsense about a piece of imported inferior stone cut
>
> to resemble some culture or other as being 'sacred' ?
roksta...@gmail.com
george152
> It's special to the Maori people and you get it blessed before you wear them or else it becomes bad luck. It's not 'Pounamu' if it isn't blessed and you should never wear it until it is....repeated and this reply is completely unnecessary since its 2014 but I felt offended due to previous comments from disrespectful dumb asses -_-
>
Roger Dewhurst
> Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
> daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
> reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
> other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
> and cannot recall why!
> Thanks.
>
> Clay
notyoavera...@gmail.com
> Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
> daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
> reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
> other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
> and cannot recall why!
> Thanks.
>
> Clay
Pounamu has to be gifted to another and yes, getting it blessed is most appropriate, but it doesn't have to be blessed.
Nastassija :)
Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock produced by geological processes as was
Greywacke, basalt etc formed
Being just another inert rock amomg many others it possesses no
special properties.
Patrick
Patrick FitzGerald
But Pounamu may have special problems
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http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/248119/pounamu-workers-may-get-new-rules
Those who work with Pounamu or greenstone may be included in new rules
regulating work involving asbestos.
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Patrick
TIMO
Patrick FitzGerald
wrote:
>
>You really are an ignorant idiot. Do you flip burgers for a living (or work for the oil industries serving penne arabata to the frackers?)
inert rock produced by geological processes.
It is obvious from, your mention of it, that you flip burgers for a
living. You also hide behind a yellow streak pseudonym to make your
silly, puerile, abusive post.
Patrick
george152
TIMO
Patrick FitzGerald
wrote:
>
to scientific facts.
A rock is a rock is a rock and whether it is Greywacke or Pounamu it
is an inert mass produced by geological process.
Patrick
TIMO
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:36:16 -0700 (PDT), TIMO <tuata...@yahoo.com>
>
> Your [sic] ignorant because you don't appreciate or [are] insensitive
>
> to scientific facts.
> A rock is a rock is a rock and whether it is Greywacke or Pounamu it
>
> is an inert mass produced by geological process.
Patrick FitzGerald
wrote:
>
>Dumb ass.
What a brilliant logical argument!!
No wonder you suffer from delusions of mystical properties of inert
rocks.
Patrick
Roger Dewhurst
geopelia
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that!
geopelia
"george152" wrote in message
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supposed not to decay.
Two ancient Chinese princes were buried in suits of jade plates.
(See Google Images)
george152
> Unless it is a Uranium bearing rock. But it would be very risky to wear
> that!
No matter what gemstone it is slightly radioactive but then everything is
misanthropic_curmudgeon
[snip]
> be very risky to wear that!
http://www.amazon.com/Idiot-Played-Rachmaninov-Michael-Douglas/dp/0473207230
geopelia
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Blessing can be as simple or as elaborate as you want it to be..... an elder, priest etc etc saying some prayers over it, or putting it into running water, a stream, river or the like and saying a prayer and giving thanks in a respectful manner.
As far as "a rock is a rock" goes... I can only say this.
The white man can have his gold and silver ( rocks )
The maori have Pounamu
hinea...@gmail.com
I read you can get nephrite jade in Australia and Canada however.. the quality of the stone and its range of colours is nowhere near pounamu and this particular variety of "jade" is ONLY FOUND in NZ. That in itself makes it precious. Also, with the deposits of pounamu being found becoming fewer, pounamu is fast becoming more and more desirable (maybe not so great)
Remember Chinese Jade was and is still highly valued.. so to Pounamu to the maori. To truly understand its significance to the people you need to walk in their shoes.... its not about "the rock" its the journey the rock made...
george152
pebble, stone and boulder size
hinea...@gmail.com
hinea...@gmail.com
Greenstone or Jade.
If it isn’t possible for you to return it, wrap it up and bury it somewhere no one will dig it up on purpose. Or if you live by a river return it back to the water. It must be a river, not an ocean.
No stone is taken from the river without it being blessed so it will bless . If it is negative for you then it needs to go back in the soil or in the river if not, to the person who gave it to you.
Another thing ....
For New Zealand’s Māori people, pounamu - also known as New Zealand jade - is of great cultural and spiritual value, and is considered tapu or sacred.
In traditional Māori life, pounamu was used for everything from jewellery and adornments signifying the wearer’s mana or status, to tools and weapons. It was often used as a gift and as a symbol of peace.
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Patrick FitzGerald
arian...@icloud.com
> Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
> daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
> reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
> other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
> would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
> and cannot recall why!
> Thanks.
>
> Clay
george152
You can pick it up in the South Island.
Rock hunters do it all the time..
People carve it to make salable items (and dosh for themselves)