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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Jan 10, 2024, 8:17:12 PM1/10/24
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After centuries of persecuting Jews as “Christ killers”, why are
fundamentalist Christians now so keen to offer unconditional support to
the Zionist regime that is in charge in Israel, regardless of the
atrocities it commits? Yes, the majority of its victims are Muslims, but
don’t they realize there are Christians among those being hurt as well? Or
maybe they’re “the wrong kind of Christian”, or have the wrong skin
colour, or something. (Not that religion should matter, they are fellow
humans, after all.)
I can understand that there might be a guilt issue, particularly after the
slaughter the Nazis did, so the pendulum needs to swing the other way. But
instead of saying “stop the persecution, let’s learn to get along”, they
decided to export the problem: give the Jews their own homeland, so they
don’t have to live among Christians in Europe (and also America), then
Christian Europeans and Americans, I guess, won’t have to think about
getting along with them. Never mind there were already people living there
in Palestine: the slogan was “a land without a people, for a people
without a land”. Just declare the whole area “terra nullius”, in other
words. Just like our neighbours across the ditch did.
There may also be an ideological aspect to this support: there has long
been a tradition of the coming of “Judgement Day” among Christians, even
though the old “this generation shall not pass from the Earth” thing kind
of fell through. Nevertheless, they keep looking for signs that Doomsday
will be coming soon, and apparently one of the signs is the recreation of
the state of Israel.
Thoughts, anyone? Did I miss anything?
fundamentalist Christians now so keen to offer unconditional support to
the Zionist regime that is in charge in Israel, regardless of the
atrocities it commits? Yes, the majority of its victims are Muslims, but
don’t they realize there are Christians among those being hurt as well? Or
maybe they’re “the wrong kind of Christian”, or have the wrong skin
colour, or something. (Not that religion should matter, they are fellow
humans, after all.)
I can understand that there might be a guilt issue, particularly after the
slaughter the Nazis did, so the pendulum needs to swing the other way. But
instead of saying “stop the persecution, let’s learn to get along”, they
decided to export the problem: give the Jews their own homeland, so they
don’t have to live among Christians in Europe (and also America), then
Christian Europeans and Americans, I guess, won’t have to think about
getting along with them. Never mind there were already people living there
in Palestine: the slogan was “a land without a people, for a people
without a land”. Just declare the whole area “terra nullius”, in other
words. Just like our neighbours across the ditch did.
There may also be an ideological aspect to this support: there has long
been a tradition of the coming of “Judgement Day” among Christians, even
though the old “this generation shall not pass from the Earth” thing kind
of fell through. Nevertheless, they keep looking for signs that Doomsday
will be coming soon, and apparently one of the signs is the recreation of
the state of Israel.
Thoughts, anyone? Did I miss anything?
Ras Mikaere
Jan 10, 2024, 11:10:25 PM1/10/24
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AUCKLAND -- 1840 SPOOKSVILLE.
ROCKEFELLER ZIONIST JEW PLOT TO TAKE OVER TE AOTEAROA.
LAWRENCE OF ARABIA FAKE PERSON,
YOU ARE LIKE DEMENTED APOLOGIST FOR BRITISH
ROCKEFELLER CREEPIZOIDS WHO ARE STILL BURIED
IN THAT MINI / MIDGET SIZED (germany merkel) CEMETERY
IN AUCKLAND.
YOU SOUND LIKE A SPOOK LAWRENCE.
WHAT AGENCY DO YOU WORK FOR -- ?
Willy Nilly
Jan 11, 2024, 2:46:44 PM1/11/24
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Do you have any original thoughts at all, or are you just a
standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?
standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?
Rich80105
Jan 11, 2024, 6:56:55 PM1/11/24
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:47:01 GMT, w...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
>Do you have any original thoughts at all, or are you just a
>standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?
>
You are writing to nz.general, a Usenet discussion group with an
>Do you have any original thoughts at all, or are you just a
>standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?
>
unknown number of readers (and doubtless fewer who post). Since you
deleted the previous post you appear be asking each reader to respond
to your question.
On that basis, I find your question to be insulting. Perhaps you
should ask it of yourself.
I do however happen to be one of those readers who retain access to
previous posts - and on that basis your question is still insulting;
there is nothing to indicate that the previous poster holds either
left wing or right wing views, and the ability to write any post at
all confirms that he is not brain-dead; although from your post you
may be closer to that state.
I suspect however that you were just having a bad day, and on
reflection will see that you could have worded the above post better -
happy new year to you!
Tony
Jan 11, 2024, 7:40:57 PM1/11/24
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Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:47:01 GMT, w...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
>
>>Do you have any original thoughts at all, or are you just a
>>standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?
>>
>
>You are writing to nz.general, a Usenet discussion group with an
>unknown number of readers (and doubtless fewer who post). Since you
>deleted the previous post you appear be asking each reader to respond
>to your question.
Absolute nonsense - he replied to an individual, that you believe otherwise
>On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:47:01 GMT, w...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
>
>>Do you have any original thoughts at all, or are you just a
>>standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?
>>
>
>You are writing to nz.general, a Usenet discussion group with an
>unknown number of readers (and doubtless fewer who post). Since you
>deleted the previous post you appear be asking each reader to respond
>to your question.
indicates your inability to live in a civilised society.
>
>On that basis, I find your question to be insulting. Perhaps you
>should ask it of yourself.
None of your business - you are the most insulting poster here - there is
>On that basis, I find your question to be insulting. Perhaps you
>should ask it of yourself.
nobody active today that you have not insulted.
>
>I do however happen to be one of those readers who retain access to
>previous posts - and on that basis your question is still insulting;
>there is nothing to indicate that the previous poster holds either
>left wing or right wing views, and the ability to write any post at
>all confirms that he is not brain-dead; although from your post you
>may be closer to that state.
More abuse from our repeat abuser.
>I do however happen to be one of those readers who retain access to
>previous posts - and on that basis your question is still insulting;
>there is nothing to indicate that the previous poster holds either
>left wing or right wing views, and the ability to write any post at
>all confirms that he is not brain-dead; although from your post you
>may be closer to that state.
>
>I suspect however that you were just having a bad day, and on
>reflection will see that you could have worded the above post better -
>happy new year to you!
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit - in your case lowest form of half wit.
>I suspect however that you were just having a bad day, and on
>reflection will see that you could have worded the above post better -
>happy new year to you!
Crash
Jan 11, 2024, 11:20:51 PM1/11/24
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 12:56:48 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:47:01 GMT, w...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
>
>>Do you have any original thoughts at all, or are you just a
>>standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?
>>
>
>You are writing to nz.general, a Usenet discussion group with an
>unknown number of readers (and doubtless fewer who post). Since you
>deleted the previous post you appear be asking each reader to respond
>to your question.
>
That is incorrect Rich.
Every post is either to start a new thread or response to a specific
poster. In this case I chose your post then clicked on the Reply
button. You also use Agent so you will follow the same procedure.
Both new threads and replies are published through the newsgroup but
the principle of replying is to a singular earlier author. Following
this convention, to reply to multiple posters in a thread requires a
separate (reply) post for each one.
Back in the days of dial-up internet access, it was considered rude
NOT to trim the text as Willy does because of download bandwidth being
a fraction of what it is now. When I first connected to the Internet
I had a 2400-baud dial-up modem. 9600-baud modems were an
unaffordable option and the evolution to 33.6k-baud modems were well
into the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
I concede that this article covers other forms of posting but the
rudiments of usenet posting are included if time is taken to look for
and understand them.
>On that basis, I find your question to be insulting. Perhaps you
>should ask it of yourself.
>
>I do however happen to be one of those readers who retain access to
>previous posts - and on that basis your question is still insulting;
>there is nothing to indicate that the previous poster holds either
>left wing or right wing views, and the ability to write any post at
>all confirms that he is not brain-dead; although from your post you
>may be closer to that state.
>
>I suspect however that you were just having a bad day, and on
>reflection will see that you could have worded the above post better -
>happy new year to you!
If I had followed earlier conventions that text above would have been
replaced by: [snipped]
--
Crash McBash
wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:47:01 GMT, w...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
>
>>Do you have any original thoughts at all, or are you just a
>>standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?
>>
>
>You are writing to nz.general, a Usenet discussion group with an
>unknown number of readers (and doubtless fewer who post). Since you
>deleted the previous post you appear be asking each reader to respond
>to your question.
>
Every post is either to start a new thread or response to a specific
poster. In this case I chose your post then clicked on the Reply
button. You also use Agent so you will follow the same procedure.
Both new threads and replies are published through the newsgroup but
the principle of replying is to a singular earlier author. Following
this convention, to reply to multiple posters in a thread requires a
separate (reply) post for each one.
Back in the days of dial-up internet access, it was considered rude
NOT to trim the text as Willy does because of download bandwidth being
a fraction of what it is now. When I first connected to the Internet
I had a 2400-baud dial-up modem. 9600-baud modems were an
unaffordable option and the evolution to 33.6k-baud modems were well
into the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
I concede that this article covers other forms of posting but the
rudiments of usenet posting are included if time is taken to look for
and understand them.
>On that basis, I find your question to be insulting. Perhaps you
>should ask it of yourself.
>
>I do however happen to be one of those readers who retain access to
>previous posts - and on that basis your question is still insulting;
>there is nothing to indicate that the previous poster holds either
>left wing or right wing views, and the ability to write any post at
>all confirms that he is not brain-dead; although from your post you
>may be closer to that state.
>
>I suspect however that you were just having a bad day, and on
>reflection will see that you could have worded the above post better -
>happy new year to you!
replaced by: [snipped]
--
Crash McBash
Willy Nilly
Jan 12, 2024, 3:48:56 AM1/12/24
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Since you deleted the previous post you appear be ...
You see, your assuption is wrong as usual. I did not even download
the text of the OP -- I replied to the subject line, and stand by my
assessment.
> Since you deleted the previous post you appear be ...
You see, your assuption is wrong as usual. I did not even download
the text of the OP -- I replied to the subject line, and stand by my
assessment.
Rich80105
Jan 12, 2024, 2:00:39 PM1/12/24
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"Do you have any original thoughts at all, or are you just a
standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?"
Which called for a personal answer from the subject line; no original
standard-issue brain-dead leftist wanker?"
thought from yourself, and a question for an unspecified person.
So do you have any original thoughts, Willy Nilly, or are you like
Tony - permanently angry with everyone else but having little thought
of your own?
Willy Nilly
Jan 12, 2024, 3:56:09 PM1/12/24
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>So do you have any original thoughts, Willy Nilly, or are you like
>Tony - permanently angry with everyone else but having little thought
>of your own?
Given you have no institutional memory of my past postings on this
>So do you have any original thoughts, Willy Nilly, or are you like
>Tony - permanently angry with everyone else but having little thought
>of your own?
forum, Rich, you're evidently a new "Rich" and the old one rotated out
of the chair you now occupy. I am an actual person invested in this
lovely country we are fortunate to call home, and you are just a
Labour-Green shill pushing for its destruction. "Father don't forgive
them for they do know what they do." -- an old saying or something.
Tony
Jan 12, 2024, 4:24:28 PM1/12/24
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or not until you found out about your transgender tendencies?
Transgender people are welcome here, you don't have to hide.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Jan 29, 2024, 7:50:58 PM1/29/24
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There is a new documentary, called “Israelism”, making the rounds in
the US
<https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/1/29/israelism-the-promised-land-needs-a-new-narrative>,
which covers some of these sorts of points.
The film has been touring US campuses, where its release during
the ongoing genocidal assault on Gaza has led to numerous calls
for censorship and cancellations of scheduled screenings by campus
authorities. In the midst of a highly censored public debate
around the Israeli occupation, the efforts to censor the film is a
reflection of the times – even the Jewish voices for peace being
targeted by the machine which has for so long sought to silence
Palestinian calls for liberation.
Not since the Vietnam War, I think, has any position perceived as
being in any way critical of a conflict been seen by so many as so
objectionable, and downright traitorous.
It took a long and painful history to get to this point:
Rubin paints a poignant picture of Jewish history, replete with
the horrors of anti-Semitic European persecution through the
centuries, exile, and a deep longing and hope for a place of
safety and security. Political Zionism does not emerge out of a
vacuum, he explains, but from the inability of European states to
guarantee the safety and security of the Jewish people. With the
pogroms and eventually, the culmination of European racialised
violence in the form of the Holocaust in the mid-20th century, the
toxic intersection of colonialism and Zionism sets the stage for
our current crisis.
To sum up:
Today, as the Israeli founder and executive director of
Idealist.org, Ami Dar, writes, “If everyone, everywhere, truly
accepted that seven million Jews and seven million Palestinians
are not going anywhere, and that any possible future has to
include and encompass both, the whole energy around this conflict
would shift.”
the US
<https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/1/29/israelism-the-promised-land-needs-a-new-narrative>,
which covers some of these sorts of points.
The film has been touring US campuses, where its release during
the ongoing genocidal assault on Gaza has led to numerous calls
for censorship and cancellations of scheduled screenings by campus
authorities. In the midst of a highly censored public debate
around the Israeli occupation, the efforts to censor the film is a
reflection of the times – even the Jewish voices for peace being
targeted by the machine which has for so long sought to silence
Palestinian calls for liberation.
Not since the Vietnam War, I think, has any position perceived as
being in any way critical of a conflict been seen by so many as so
objectionable, and downright traitorous.
It took a long and painful history to get to this point:
Rubin paints a poignant picture of Jewish history, replete with
the horrors of anti-Semitic European persecution through the
centuries, exile, and a deep longing and hope for a place of
safety and security. Political Zionism does not emerge out of a
vacuum, he explains, but from the inability of European states to
guarantee the safety and security of the Jewish people. With the
pogroms and eventually, the culmination of European racialised
violence in the form of the Holocaust in the mid-20th century, the
toxic intersection of colonialism and Zionism sets the stage for
our current crisis.
To sum up:
Today, as the Israeli founder and executive director of
Idealist.org, Ami Dar, writes, “If everyone, everywhere, truly
accepted that seven million Jews and seven million Palestinians
are not going anywhere, and that any possible future has to
include and encompass both, the whole energy around this conflict
would shift.”
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