Michael Jackson vs John Lennon vs Elvis Presley
Will Spencer
All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
But who was the greatest?
-ws
Fred
"Will Spencer" <w...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>
> But who was the greatest?
Greatest what?
Vocalist - Elvis.
Muician/composer - John Lennon.
Dancer - Michael Jackson
Me
> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>
> But who was the greatest?
>
that Lennon was an "addict", and an even harder time showing that his
own drug use might have contributed to his own death.
Who was the greatest out of those three? IMO probably Elvis, but Elvis
wasn't greater than the Beatles.
Fred
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Well said.
Roger Dewhurst
> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>
All supremely irrelevant.
> But who was the greatest?
Who was the most irrelevant.
R
>
> -ws
Roger Dewhurst
R
A _L_ P
> Will Spencer wrote:
>> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>>
>
> All supremely irrelevant.
>
>
>> But who was the greatest?
>
> Who was the most irrelevant.
>
entertainment - no.
Roger Dewhurst
> Roger Dewhurst wrote:
>> Will Spencer wrote:
>>> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>>>
>>
>> All supremely irrelevant.
> ....to ______________, you forgot to say.
Juveniles?
>>
>>
>>> But who was the greatest?
>>
>> Who was the most irrelevant.
>>
> Irrelevant to what? The use of palm oil in chocolate - yes. Music,
> entertainment - no.
Music? Pull the other one, it has bells on.
R
Fred
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you're outvoted by the world at large.
PB1952
lol...
Do you have any musical training or is your taste in music the benchmark for
good music?
bubba ray
Michael Jackson was mediocre. He was talented but he was neither
inventive or creative. Sure, he could dance, but James Brown was
doing the same thing years before and a hundred times better. His
music was pure pop and just reflected the pop music of the time, such
as disco (thank god he never tried doing punk).
John Lennon as part of the Beatles, and Elvis were inventive and
creative. Elvis put together black music with country like no one else
before (he was a white guy doing black music way before Eminem), and
the Beatles with their inventive chord changes created a new kind of
pop music.
No comparison really.
PB1952
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No comparison really.
Some people are saying MJ is the Mozart of our time. lol
Other people are saying he was a genius. Clearly they don't know what a
genius is.
There is nothing in his back catalogue that is comparable to Mozart or that
will leave a lasting mark on the history of mankind
like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Shakespeare, da Vinci or Michelangelo.
One can only assume that people making statements like this have never
listened to Mozart.
PB1952
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No comparison really.
One thing that can be said for MJ is he was 'a true original'. partly
because of his oddness and also because he made entertainment a total
stage package .
Will Spencer
> On Jun 27, 1:29�pm, Will Spencer <w...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>>
>> But who was the greatest?
>>
>> -ws
>
> Michael Jackson was mediocre.
I guess that means there's hope for you yet.
> He was talented but he was neither inventive or creative.
Huh? It was infact his inventive and creative work in the early 80's that
made his career take off after being just another child star.
> Sure, he could dance, but James Brown was doing the same thing years
> before and a hundred times better.
Although legendary, he did not transcend as many boundaries as Whacko did.
> His music was pure pop and just reflected the pop music of the time, such
> as disco (thank god he never tried doing punk).
He was more that just music. Also a masterful live performer of the type
sadly lacking in many of todays pop stars. Which is why as insane as he
was, people had a respect for his abilities.
> John Lennon as part of the Beatles, and Elvis were inventive and
> creative. Elvis put together black music with country like no one else
> before (he was a white guy doing black music way before Eminem), and
> the Beatles with their inventive chord changes created a new kind of
> pop music.
True.
> No comparison really.
Can't agree.
-ws
ChristianKnight
Michael was good . He had the greatestest selling Album of all time.
He made dancing like a robot very popular .
He danced to the beat like his body was the drum and each tone was a
movement of it's own.
Elvis was very good using his dance with his voice to express his
songs passion.
John Lennon had little dance to note and his song imagine seems like a
wine from a little boy not wanting to go to church with his rich
parents.
Christ's love
A _L_ P
>
> Michael was good . He had the greatestest selling Album of all time.
> He made dancing like a robot very popular .
> He danced to the beat like his body was the drum and each tone was a
> movement of it's own.
What a good image.
> Elvis was very good using his dance with his voice to express his
> songs passion.
Ye-e-ess, I'd have said it was the rhythm that drove his movements,
singing with his whole body.
> John Lennon had little dance to note and his song imagine seems like a
> wine from a little boy not wanting to go to church with his rich
> parents.
How true. For jejune idealism it's on a par with Paul's syrupy Ebony and
Ivory. John Lennon didn't do "deep" half as well as he thought he did
for all his half-baked idealism. They were great when they did
excellent message-free music with a whole new sound.
A L P
bubba ray
> ChristianKnight wrote:
>
> > Michael was good . He had the greatestest selling Album of all time.
> > He made dancing like a robot very popular .
> > He danced to the beat like his body was the drum and each tone was a
> > movement of it's own.
>
> What a good image.
>
> > Elvis was very good using his dance with his voice to express his
> > songs passion.
>
> Ye-e-ess, I'd have said it was the rhythm that drove his movements,
> singing with his whole body.
>
> > John Lennon had little dance to note and his song imagine seems like a
> > wine from a little boy not wanting to go to church with his rich
> > parents.
Here's someone else who thinks 'Imagine' is one of the most overrated
songs in music history.
>
> How true. For jejune idealism it's on a par with Paul's syrupy Ebony and
> Ivory. John Lennon didn't do "deep" half as well as he thought he did
> for all his half-baked idealism. They were great when they did
> excellent message-free music with a whole new sound.
Nothing any of the Beatles did after they split came even close to
songs like 'Help' or 'Hard Day's Night'.
>
> A L P
Gordon
>
> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>
> But who was the greatest?
>
are now dead.
Bobs
John LEnnon was a fucking hippy that was heading down the same road as
that dickhead Cat Stevens or whatever the fuck that clown calls himself
now. His music sucked arse. Hate the Beatles - they were shit anyway.
Just played on their sex appeal to yanks who liked pommy accents. Listen
to their guitar work...sloppy nasty crap.
Elvis was impressive - not my type of music but his influence can't be
denied. Brought black music to the masses, and did it even better than
the blacks. Died on the shitter like a man should.
Michael Jackson - hard to place. Awesome dancer, very popular and moved
a shit load of records. Had an interesting mix of funk and pop music,
even my 70 year old parents found some of his sounds catchy. Say what
you like, but some of his music wasn't bad.
I'd give it to Elvis though. Jackson is certainly right up there.
--
What do Michael Jackson and Santa Claus have in common?
They both leave little boys' rooms with an empty sack
E. Scrooge
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>
>
> But who was the greatest?
>
> -ws
Every other top singer was worth millions while alive. Jackson on the other
hand owed millions, and now his so called fans put the boot in by spending
millions on his records and videos now that he's dead and no longer needing
the millions to pay back what he owes.
You can bet that Jackson helped more doctors to get rich from him than Elvis
ever did.
Did Jackson simply die or was he helped along by people knowing he would
bring in many more millions dead than he ever would alive?
E. Scrooge
E. Scrooge
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> Will Spencer wrote:
>> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>>
>> But who was the greatest?
>>
>> -ws
>
> John LEnnon was a fucking hippy that was heading down the same road as
> that dickhead Cat Stevens or whatever the fuck that clown calls himself
> now. His music sucked arse. Hate the Beatles - they were shit anyway. Just
> played on their sex appeal to yanks who liked pommy accents. Listen to
> their guitar work...sloppy nasty crap.
>
> Elvis was impressive - not my type of music but his influence can't be
> denied. Brought black music to the masses, and did it even better than the
> blacks. Died on the shitter like a man should.
>
> Michael Jackson - hard to place. Awesome dancer, very popular and moved a
> shit load of records. Had an interesting mix of funk and pop music, even
> my 70 year old parents found some of his sounds catchy. Say what you like,
> but some of his music wasn't bad.
>
> I'd give it to Elvis though. Jackson is certainly right up there.
The insane gloved one wasn't just broke, wacko owed millions and spent most
of his later years in pain.
He owed that much money that he danced round with his hand on his crown
jewels to try to prevent them from being taken, and you called that awesome
protecting his nuts like the thousands of squirrels do.
E. Scrooge
E. Scrooge
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Can you even guess which one liked to make sure that little kids were tucked
up in bed... with him?
E. Scrooge
Bobs
Turn it up, McDuck. He was found not guilty, let it go.
Greg
E. Scrooge
The 50 million he gave to a family to drop a lawsuit against him was hardly
just a bit of good will being spread at Christmas.
You forget that Bain was found not guilty as well, though in his case it was
beyond any doubt.
E. Scrooge
Jack Spratt
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Leave him in his rocking chair pumping his fist and bemoaning the young of
today
Jack Spratt
> Elvis was impressive
<snip>
>Died on the shitter like a man should.
LOL!
Keith
says...
Jimi Hendrix
Jim Morrison
Bobs
It was 15 million, McDuck. Not sure how that makes him guilty though? No
reasonable parent would accept money if their kid really was abused.
Would you?
>
> You forget that Bain was found not guilty as well, though in his case it
> was beyond any doubt.
Last I looked, Jacksons jury didn't attend an after-party in the accused
honour.
>
> E. Scrooge
victor
>
> Leave him in his rocking chair pumping his fist and bemoaning the young
> of today
"And get off my lawn!"
pystol
> inventive or creative. Sure, he could dance, but James Brown was
> doing the same thing years before and a hundred times better. His
> music was pure pop and just reflected the pop music of the time, such
> as disco (thank god he never tried doing punk).
You're the expert, I guess?
ChristianKnight
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> - Show quoted text -
That was a little inappropriate and not good time to remember
espeacially because no sex was ever proven and comforting a crying
child is not a crime.
Chriust's love
Kerry
> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>
> But who was the greatest?
>
> -ws
Lennon wasnt an addict and he didnt die of a drug overdose
Kerry
> On Jun 27, 1:29 pm, Will Spencer <w...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>
> > But who was the greatest?
>
> > -ws
>
> Michael Jackson was mediocre. He was talented but he was neither
> inventive or creative. Sure, he could dance, but James Brown was
> doing the same thing years before and a hundred times better. His
> music was pure pop and just reflected the pop music of the time, such
> as disco (thank god he never tried doing punk).
Jackson wasnt inventive and creative?
You know nothing of the evolution of music, or Michael Jackson for
that matter
Kerry
Help and Hard Days Night are your examples of the best of the Beatles?
I rest my case about you knowing nothing about music
Greg
<oxyt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 27, 5:24�pm, bubba ray <kdav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 1:29�pm, Will Spencer <w...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>>
>> > But who was the greatest?
>>
>> > -ws
>>
>> Michael Jackson was mediocre. He was talented but he was neither
>> inventive or creative. �Sure, he could dance, but James Brown was
>> doing the same thing years before and a hundred times better. His
>> music was pure pop and just reflected the pop music of the time, such
>> as disco (thank god he never tried doing punk).
>
>
>Jackson wasnt inventive and creative?
>
Quincy Jones was inventive and creative
bubba ray
In my honest opinion I'm always 100% right in my opinions.
bubba ray
What did Michael Jackson create that was inventive?
bubba ray
Learn to read. I never said they were examples of the best of the
Beatles. I merely used them as examples of Beatles songs that were
better than anything they did as solo artists. If you want examples of
the 'best of the Beatles' here's some:
'A Day in the Life'
'She's leaving home'
'Norwegian wood'
'Eleanor Rigby'
Fred
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They were fantastic albums. As were Rubber soul, Revolver, with the Beatles,
etc.
Geopelia
I wouldn't know about their music, but Elvis did his Army service, so he
gets my vote.
greybeard
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> All great, all iconic, all influential, all drug addicts, all dead.
>
> But who was the greatest?
>
> -ws
Hmmm..... Jim Morrison?
greybeard
galleria
>
> But who was the greatest?
>
> -ws
I don't think they can be compared
because Michael is a singer AND dancer
he understood how and what type of music and rythms move the body
undoubtedly he is one of the best creators of dance music
he knew how a dancer feels the music and what the sensations are
you too could dance like this.....if you could FEEL the music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otOf2vVeG5g
pow ! bam !
A _L_ P
> That was a little inappropriate and not good time to remember
> espeacially because no sex was ever proven and comforting a crying
> child is not a crime.
> Chriust's love
Stone the crows, CK, you must be on great meds now. This is the second
excellent post I've read from you in 2 days!
Normally I put you straight into my kill-file whenever it's fallen over
due to a change of other settings. I've just finished re-making the
killfile after a change due to getting wireless internet *WAY-HEY and
YAY!* and now had to un-tick your nick. Keep on keeping well, your
thinking is good when your head's healthy :-)
A L P
E. Scrooge
Janet Jackson and I don't remember even seeing you at the celebration party.
LOL
E. Scrooge
victor
Famous in their time, but not much different to thousands of other songs
and singers.
And you would think the compination of Jaclson and McCartney would
produce a superlative result.
Not !
E. Scrooge
He died after taking a shot or 2 of lead.
E. Scrooge
victor
victor
What did he invent ?
A _L_ P
>
> I rest my case about you knowing nothing about music
>
be sure and can't find it now - about how Fred Astaire was at his best
before he became an artist and remembered he was a hoofer, when I came
on this by Astaire himself:
"But I do nothing that I don't like, such as "inventing" up to the arty
or "down" to the corny. I happen to relish a certain type of corn. What
I think is the really dangerous approach is the "let's be artistic"
attitude. I know that artistry just happens. "
This may or may not be what bubba ray's getting at. It certainly
underpins I feel about the Beatles' music and why I think their plain
old GREAT!!! music got a bit shaky when the artistic egos bloomed.
Ringo never had much originality, OTOH he avoided getting notions above
his ability. George, I think, best managed to introduce his evolving
ideas into music that succeeded as music. Paul always teetered on the
cusp of mawkishness. and John believed sincerely that his ideas were
deep enough already without further examination, and he wasn't short of
fans who assured him this was true.
A L P
A _L_ P
Making "Where the fuck did I put my other glove?" into a fashion statement.
A L P
bubba ray
I agree with that assessment, and it also helps explain why neither
Lennon or McCartney could write anything as good as what they wrote
together. Paul once explained it this way - he was writing an upbeat
song called 'Getting better all the time' which appears on their Sgt
Pepper album. John added the line 'Couldn't get much worse' which
changed the whole vibe of the song and saved it from the depths of
mawkishness.
What I disagree with is people calling Michael Jackson an artist. Was
he talented? Yes. Did he work hard and deserve the success he got?
Yes. Was he a phenomenon? Yes. But he didn't create anything new like
the Beatles or Elvis did. In fact he wasn't in a metaphysical sense
even a person. He was Michael Jackson, Inc. He was a business. And not
that there's anything wrong with that. There's been plenty of musical
acts who were/are pure commercial - Wham, Robbie Williams, any boy
band, etc. But let's not call their work art.
>
> A L P
Greg
The Michael Jackson that everyone is having bromance with
victor
Don't think so, he was just a producer.
victor
what they used from Buddy Holly, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis Lonnie
Donegan etc. Elvis wasn't even a song writer.
Jackson had the advantage of a new generation of session players who
took the Berry Gordy Corporation Motown he grew up with and added the LA
melting pot, guys that played with George Benson and Boz Scaggs and
Steely Dan, Brothers Johnson, Earth Wind and Fire. and stuck in some
bossa and latin syncopation and fusion.
Guys like Rod Temperton a white guy from Cleethorpes wrote the huge
hooks in the big hits. He was from Heatwave, Boogie Nights, remember
them ? Its disposable throwaway pop off the production line like Hot
Chocolate and Bony M.
Jackson wrote one son on Off the Wall and 3 1/2 on Thriller and they
were mostly slap bass riffs.
Who knows why stuff takes off like this ? But you are right, its not art.
Jack Spratt
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>
> I wouldn't know about their music, but Elvis did his Army service, so he
> gets my vote.
>
There is a humorous image, Jacko in the Army.
Eeeee Heeeeee Sir!
Jack Spratt
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Wasn't Elvis the Pelvis considered a mover too?
Maybe a little less crotch grabbing and hair igniting but a mover none the
less.
A _L_ P
>
>
> Wasn't Elvis the Pelvis considered a mover too?
> Maybe a little less crotch grabbing and hair igniting but a mover none
> the less.
When Elvis moved his pelvis you KNEW he knew what a pelvis is about, and
it's not just to hang legs off. When Michael Jackson grabbed his crotch
it was like either "I weed in my panties, Mama" or those beauty contest
kiddies doing bump and grind routines that they have been taught by
adults who do know what it's about and think it's cute when small
children dressed as hookers do it. He didn't convey that he had a clue
what he was grabbing except it was close to where his legs joined his
torso. Elvis was sex on a stick. Jackson was sex on a holograph sticker.
A L P
bubba ray
The Beatles owed a big debt to guys like Buddy Holly, Little Richard
etc. But you'd be hard pressed to find a band that was 100% original.
What the Beatles did was manage to fuse all their influences together
to create a new original sound. Other bands I would put in the
'original sound' category would be The Velvet Underground, The New
York Dolls (although you could argue that they were a mutated version
of the Rolling Stones), The Ramones, Nirvana and Sonic Youth.
> Jackson had the advantage of a new generation of session players who
> took the Berry Gordy Corporation Motown he grew up with and added the LA
> melting pot, guys that played with George Benson and Boz Scaggs and
> Steely Dan, Brothers Johnson, Earth Wind and Fire. and stuck in some
> bossa and latin syncopation and fusion.
> Guys like Rod Temperton a white guy from Cleethorpes wrote the huge
> hooks in the big hits. He was from Heatwave, Boogie Nights, remember
Sure do.
> them ? Its disposable throwaway pop off the production line like Hot
> Chocolate and Bony M.
> Jackson wrote one son on Off the Wall and 3 1/2 on Thriller and they
> were mostly slap bass riffs.
> Who knows why stuff takes off like this ? But you are right, its not art.
The hook's the money maker.
BR
wrote:
>Michael Jackson was mediocre. He was talented but he was neither
>inventive or creative. Sure, he could dance, but James Brown was
>doing the same thing years before and a hundred times better. His
>music was pure pop and just reflected the pop music of the time, such
>as disco (thank god he never tried doing punk).
The Beegees did the same thing.
Bill.
Jack Spratt
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Albeit with their testicles in a vice.
victor
They had a career from 1967 to 1975 before anyone (Mardin) suggested
singing falsetto on Nights on Broadway as the follow up to Jive Talkin.
They hadn't charted for three years before that in a different genre so
it was very similar to Michael Jackson
galleria
doesn't change the fact that Michael Jackson created some of the best
dance music of all time and understood the interaction between music
and movement
how we meld and merge with rythms
he had almost like a form of synesthaesia the feeling of music
a beautiful thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYygjcMDdQ
victor
On the shoulders of Giants
Fred Astaire, Bill Bailey, Buck and Bubbles, Cab Calloway, Clark
Brothers, Sammy Davis Jr., Daniel L. Haynes, Rubberneck Holmes,
Patterson and Jackson, Eleanor Powell, Bill Robinson, Three Chefs (only
the feet), Tip Tap and Toe (feat. Ray Winfield), Earl Snakehips Tucker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZcLWAmdco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH0FeiL
Nothing wrong with distilling the essence of others and having Jeffrey
Daniels as a teacher.
Isn't Youtube great for this stuff ?
galleria
>
> Nothing wrong with distilling the essence of others and having Jeffrey
> Daniels as a teacher.
>
> Isn't Youtube great for this stuff ?
Yeah awesome aye and unless you watch the old black and whites
not many people have even heard of the oldtime soft shoe shufflers
he certainly brought it blazing into the new millenium
did you see this breakdance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zu0dmom4og&feature=related
luv dem old black'n'whites
bubba ray
But it wasn't his music, it was music produced by Michael Jackson,
Inc. He was a manufactured popstar.
galleria
Oh I am so sorry, your opinion has absolutely no creedence in my
opinion
I suppose you've already seen this
but it's rather nice all the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK25cfzdTTg&feature=topvideos
victor
Its well known that Motown performers were groomed and mentored from an
early age, that the music came from expert songwriters arrangers and
producers, and the dancing came from choreographers like Cosey and
Casper at Soul Train. Its a formula. The one that worked well in 1983.
The one that the same choreographers danced with him over the next ten
years or so until he burnt out on excess and weirdness and hangers on
leeching off him
bubba ray
Except to say that he didn't write his own music is not an opinion,
it's fact. To say he was a performer is a fact. To say he was one of
the greatest performers of all time is, well, an opinion.
Jack Spratt
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===========
Some of these moves look familiar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZcLWAmdco&feature=related
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> I think if you total up the combined sales of those three, you might
> decide you're outvoted by the world at large.
Record sales or ticket sales?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
bfe4-4ba9-984...@i4g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, bubba ray wrote:
> In my honest opinion I'm always 100% right in my opinions.
I can go one better than you. I may be wrong about 10% of the time, but I
know it, so even when I'm wrong, I'm right about being wrong. Thus, I get to
be right 110% of the time.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<9dfc7797-45cf-46a8...@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
ChristianKnight wrote:
> John Lennon['s] song imagine seems like a
> wine from a little boy not wanting to go to church with his rich
> parents.
Spoken like a true religionist trying to pooh-pooh the ultimate humanist
anthem.
Your afterlife had better be worth it, given how much fun you're not having
here.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> Did Jackson simply die or was he helped along by people knowing he would
> bring in many more millions dead than he ever would alive?
And so the conspiratizationalists emerge from the ligneous constructions...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> I wouldn't know about their music, but Elvis did his Army service, so he
> gets my vote.
Yeah, he never promulgated subversive propaganda like "Give Peace A Chance".
Geopelia
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His film "Wooden Heart" did a lot to help people see that Germans are really
people much like the rest of us, after all the wartime propaganda.
Fred
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in message
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Fun fact: one is in terminal decline, one is not.
ChristianKnight
central.gen.new_zealand> wrote:
> In message
> <9dfc7797-45cf-46a8-8259-4112d80b5...@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
What do you suggest ? I join the foreign leigon.
Go on Lawerence what do I have to do to have fun?
Christ's love
Kerry
It was so his music. He wrost the vast majority of his own stuff and
collabarated on most of the rest
bubba ray
Oooh, defensive.
For 'Off The Wall' he wrote 2 out of 10 songs and collaborated on 1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off_the_Wall_(album)
For 'Thriller' he wrote 4 out of 9 songs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)
For 'Bad' he wrote 8 out of the 10 songs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_(album)
So for his three top albums only one he wrote the majority of songs
for.
Kerry
> But it wasn't his music, it was music produced by Michael Jackson,
> Inc. He was a manufactured popstar.
Ignorance needs to be corrected, even though it is unlikely the
ignorant will receive...
Off the Wall 1979 Produced by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
3 of the songs written by Jackson
Thriller 1982 Produced by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
7 singles, all reached top 10, 8 Grammy awards
4 of those written and composed by Jackson
Bad 1997 Produced by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
Jackson wrote and composed 9 of the 11 tracks, co wrote another
Dangerous 1991 Produced by Michael Jackson Michael Jackson, Teddy
Riley and Bill Bottrell
14 tracks, 9 singles
12 songs written by Jackson
'History 1995
Produced by Jackson and others
5 singles
30 tracks 16 by Jackson, 7 cowritten by Jackson and collaborators
Invincible 2001 Producers Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Teddy
Riley, Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds, R. Kelly, Dr. Freeze
16 tracks, 3 singles
Jackson wrote 2 and cowrote 13
Kerry
No its a lie
Kerry
>
> For 'Thriller' he wrote 4 out of 9 songshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)
>
> For 'Bad' he wrote 8 out of the 10 songshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_(album)
>
> So for his three top albums only one he wrote the majority of songs
> for.
And you said he didnt write or produce any
Kerry
Nothing defensive about correcting falsehood
Will Spencer
For starters, he wrote most of the best songs on his Thriller album, and
almost every song on his Bad album. By that I mean lyrics and music.
You clearly don't know shit about anything, you ignorant dung eater.
-ws
bubba ray
> On Jun 29, 11:30 am, bubba ray <kdav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > But it wasn't his music, it was music produced by Michael Jackson,
> > Inc. He was a manufactured popstar.
>
> Ignorance needs to be corrected, even though it is unlikely the
> ignorant will receive...
You must have been a real MJ fan otherwise you wouldn't feel the need
to be so insulting.
Kerry
> On Jun 30, 12:12 am, Kerry <oxytoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 29, 11:30 am, bubba ray <kdav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > But it wasn't his music, it was music produced by Michael Jackson,
> > > Inc. He was a manufactured popstar.
>
> > Ignorance needs to be corrected, even though it is unlikely the
> > ignorant will receive...
>
> You must have been a real MJ fan otherwise you wouldn't feel the need
> to be so insulting.
Ahh I realise what you meant to say was
"I am sorry I was ignorant and wrong, and blowing off about something
I knew nothing about"
Thats ok, you know better now
bubba ray
Ok, if you want to be completely anal about it he wrote some of his
own music. But he wasn't a songwriter in the sense that Lennon/
McCartney were.
Sheesh, you must have been in love with him to be this defensive.
bubba ray
It is when you use phrases like 'It was so' and insults like
'ignorant' and 'knows nothing about music'. You know you can correct
falsehoods without putting the other person down.
Will Spencer
Well there you go, he wrote his own songs and collaborated on others.
Further, most of his biggest hits were the ones he wrote himself.
-ws
bubba ray
Another MJ fanatic.
Kerry
In what sense was he not a songwriter?
I point you too ample evidence he wrote many successful songs above
bubba ray
Nope, I pretty much meant what I wrote. And for the record I also
stand by my previous statements about MJ. Taken as a whole, it wasn't
his music but that of Michael Jackson, Inc.
Kerry
Oooh sensitive. Hurt feelings?
I see a moron I call it a moron. You would rather I was dishonest?
bubba ray
Hell no. I find you amusing.
>
> I see a moron I call it a moron. You would rather I was dishonest?
When I see a moron I don't feel the need to announce the fact.