Not for Ric, but for those that care

[Tony]

https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we do
need to think (except Rich of course).

[Tony]

Correction to header

[Rich80105]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:39:27 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:

>https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
>Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we do
>need to think (except Rich of course).

If a newspaper published that crap there would be complaints to the
press council. It may however be thought of by the NAct1st mob as
useful distraction - they know it is crap, but it does provide a
distraction from reality - and that reality is that vaccination
continues to be worthwhile, that our Covid results were better than
most countries - and that yes if we experienced the Covid results of
the USA where all those nutter theories were embraced by the
Republicans, we would have had 22,000 more deaths.

Better that people talk about mad anti-vax theories than follow what
our government is doing - perhaps you will blame smoking deaths on
Covid vaccines, Tony . . .

[Tony]

Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:39:27 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
>wrote:
>
>>https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
>>Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we do
>>need to think (except Rich of course).
>
>If a newspaper published that crap there would be complaints to the
>press council. It may however be thought of by the NAct1st mob as
>useful distraction - they know it is crap, but it does provide a
>distraction from reality - and that reality is that vaccination
>continues to be worthwhile, that our Covid results were better than
>most countries - and that yes if we experienced the Covid results of
>the USA where all those nutter theories were embraced by the
>Republicans, we would have had 22,000 more deaths.

So you did not read it - what a surprise (that is sarcasm).
>
Crap gone for now.

[Rich80105]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:54:03 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:

Why the sudden passion for deleting parts of posts, Tony? I understand
your frustration in finding yourself wrong so often, but it is
relatively easy to look back through a thread, and it is not as though
nz.general is getting a lot of new posters. But just to show how silly

you are - here is what I said:

"Better that people talk about mad anti-vax theories than follow what
our government is doing - perhaps you will blame smoking deaths on
Covid vaccines, Tony . . ."

Hatchard admits that he relies on others, and mentions John Campbell
specifically as a source for his views. Try reading this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
and also this:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/128045158/covid-19-nz-the-strange-story-of-a-man-who-has-found-fame-in-the-antivaccination-ecosystem

and for some data you can believe:
https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/our-health-system/data-and-statistics/covid-19-data/covid-19-current-cases/

which shows cases in the last week confirmed 4516, Probably 1360,
total 5876, and a total of 34 deaths in the last week, with 245 in
hospital as at midnight Sunday.

Also of interest is:
https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/our-health-system/data-and-statistics/covid-19-data/covid-19-case-demographics/#hospitalisation-and-icu-care-for-covid-19
which shows that those who had not received doses of vaccine before
catching Covid are more likely to need hospitalisation or ICU care

[Tony]

Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:54:03 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
>wrote:
>
>>Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:39:27 GMT, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
>>>>Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we
>>>>do
>>>>need to think (except Rich of course).
>>>
>>>If a newspaper published that crap there would be complaints to the
>>>press council. It may however be thought of by the NAct1st mob as
>>>useful distraction - they know it is crap, but it does provide a
>>>distraction from reality - and that reality is that vaccination
>>>continues to be worthwhile, that our Covid results were better than
>>>most countries - and that yes if we experienced the Covid results of
>>>the USA where all those nutter theories were embraced by the
>>>Republicans, we would have had 22,000 more deaths.
>>So you did not read it - what a surprise (that is sarcasm).
>>>
>>Crap gone for now.
>

Grabage gone.