few linux laptop problems...
starlyte
1 - Power management, My laptop wont hibernate. when it does it
crashes and i have to reboot twice to get back. Currently i have to
set the laptop to just turn off the screen when the lid closes. I have
had this problem right from the initial install so i have not changed
anything to make it break. I have tried moving from the default
graphics driver to an actual nvidia one with no success...
2 - websites with flash. eg facebook. When a facebook page is loaded
in firefox, the whole machine crawls. htop does not show excessive cpu/
memory usage. The webpage is almost unsuable. like i cant smoothly
scroll down the page. It moves a little then stops, then moves a
little again and stops...
Youtube page is fine, my daughter plays flash games - like playhouse
disney website, a couple of tabs open and it kills the machine... i
have the latest flash 10.something - same problems happened with flash
9 also. i had hoped the upgrade to 10 might have fixed it
3 - i have to run internet explorer via wine - not cos i want to, i
need to :( my wife vpns into her work and they have some sort of an
outlook exchange server to view her email. This does not work under
firefox.
my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver cranks
up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not adversly affect
the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at times the machine
shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees (feature, not a problem)
what do i need to do to have wine quit nicely?
im currently very tempted to ditch it and try win7
off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a little guy
intel dual core T7xx series cpu
3 gig ram
graphics card.. defiantly nvidia, 9300g or similar
kubuntu 8.04
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
dd0353...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>, starlyte wrote:
> kubuntu 8.04
That’s pretty old.
impossible
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in message
news:hi6abu$3ti$2...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>
> That’s pretty old.
February 2009 is old? Who are you kidding, Loser? The laptop is much older
than that.
Sailor Sam
Jebus, 11 months old in software is up to date, in what language???
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in
> message news:hi6abu$3ti$2...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>> In message <d67895cd-7351-4774...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>, starlyte wrote:
>>
>>> kubuntu 8.04
>>>>
>> That’s pretty old.
>
> Jebus, 11 months old in software is up to date, in what language???
It’s not 11 months old.
Lodi
> im currently very tempted to ditch it and try win7
If cost isn't an issue then I'd agree with your suggestion of trying Win 7.
There's minimal effort required to do a Windows installation and MS
hardware compatibility outstrips Linux by miles.
But if you're going to go through the "hassle" of changing operating systems
why not try Ubuntu 9.10 before you buy Win7 and see if that fixes your
problems.
For a start, you'll be installing the 2.6.31 kernel as opposed to the 2.6.24
kernel you're currently using. And Ubuntu is less flaky than Kubuntu,
although you do sacrifice flexibility.
Kubuntu had a lockscreen bug a while back (or more precisely KDE had the
bug). Maybe this is causing your crashes when you close the lid.
And please don't say your using KDE 4.x cos it's a pile of @!#%*
Can you browse Facebook on the IE install you mentioned. Then the problem is
with FF.
Have you the latest FF and Flash installed (obviously). Have you tried
Facebook with a different linux browser (not IE via WINE). Personally I'd
use Opera 10 for Linux cos it's a fast browser with a small footprint.
Looking at the Wine Apps database it seems that Internet Explorer 7.0 and
Wine 1.1.34 are compatible. But they seem to require a bit of effort. Bit
of a nuisance
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=4195
Have you tried the User Agent Switcher extension for Firefox. Maybe you can
fool your wife's work server into thinking it's talking to IE.
Best of luck. Let us know how it turns out.
Lodi
peterwn
> i have a couple of problems with my linux laptop
This sounds like the trolling that goes on in comp.os.linux.advocacy .
There seem to be a small hard core of people (flatfish and his mates)
who seem to have no end of trouble with Linux. They have suffered
Linux purgatory for years. They can only be masochists or anti-Linux
trolls (no doubt M$ or M$ partners' employees). Otherwise they would
have stuck to Windows.
Peter
> i have a couple of problems with my linux laptop
That's probably a good idea. Get someone who knows what they are doing to
install it for you.
> kubuntu 8.04
That's way out of date, almost 2 years old. Several versions have been
issued since then, and the current one is 9.10.
HTH
Peter
Enkidu
>
> 3 - i have to run internet explorer via wine - not cos i want to, i
> need to :( my wife vpns into her work and they have some sort of an
> outlook exchange server to view her email. This does not work under
> firefox.
>
server via Webmail all the time. What exactly "does not work under FireFox"?
Cheers,
Cliff
--
The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
the same old personalities show through.
Enkidu
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
a69e56...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>, peterwn wrote:
> This sounds like the trolling that goes on in comp.os.linux.advocacy .
Not to me. I’m prepared to take descriptions of problems at face value, at
least to start with.
> There seem to be a small hard core of people (flatfish and his mates)
> who seem to have no end of trouble with Linux.
We have some like that here, but they make themselves pretty obvious: they
can’t help slagging off the system right from the word go. Makes it easy to
shun them.
impossible
"Enkidu" <enkid...@com.cliffp.com> wrote in message
news:4b47b005$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
8.04 was last updated in February 2009. That can hardly be considered old.
impossible
"peterwn" <pmil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:25f84b90-9ce7-41d6...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...
Nah, this is the sound of Linux desktop usage collapsing. With "support"
from the likes of you, it's hardlty surprising.
impossible
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in message
Larry D'Loserites, like other esoteric movements, practice shunning those
who have left the fold. I'm not surprised.
~misfit~
[snip]
> my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver cranks
> up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not adversly affect
> the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at times the machine
> shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees (feature, not a problem)
> off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a little guy
> intel dual core T7xx series cpu
I'd be curious to know what manufacurer put a CPU into a laptop that can't
even be used much over 50% of it's potential without it shutting down due to
thermal overload and having you think that it's a frickin' FEATURE!. That's
some damn good marketing. Either that or you've compromisd the cooling by
letting it get dusty or whatever inside.
My Intel T7400 (2.13GHz) Core2Duo in this T60 ThinkPad can run both cores
100% (Prime95 et al) and the die temp doesn't go over 75 degrees. Sure, the
fan gets loud but the CPU doesn't even get near Intel's trhermal throttling
range let alone shutdown.
--
Shaun.
"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.
impossible
"~misfit~" <sore_n...@yahoo-nospam.com.au> wrote in message
news:hi90ku$bkl$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
> [snip]
>> my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver cranks
>> up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not adversly affect
>> the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at times the machine
>> shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees (feature, not a problem)
>
>> off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a little guy
>> intel dual core T7xx series cpu
>
> I'd be curious to know what manufacurer put a CPU into a laptop that can't
> even be used much over 50% of it's potential without it shutting down due
> to thermal overload and having you think that it's a frickin' FEATURE!.
> That's some damn good marketing. Either that or you've compromisd the
> cooling by letting it get dusty or whatever inside.
>
> My Intel T7400 (2.13GHz) Core2Duo in this T60 ThinkPad can run both cores
> 100% (Prime95 et al) and the die temp doesn't go over 75 degrees. Sure,
> the fan gets loud but the CPU doesn't even get near Intel's trhermal
> throttling range let alone shutdown.
> --
>
It's not unusual for badly designed software (or malware) to hog the cpu and
cause the OP's symptoms. And yes, as a defense against those kind of rogue
applications, automatic thermal shutdown is a cpu feature.
Stephen Worthington
You rather seem to have missed misfit's point. Barring dust or
clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature exceeding
the limit. If that is not the case, and this laptop was advertised as
having a CPU that can do xxx GHz and the buyer was not told that it
would do thermal shutdown if he actually ran it at xxx GHz for a
while, then the seller was clearly in breach of the FTA and/or CGA and
the buyer should be getting his money back because it does not work as
advertised.
impossible
"Stephen Worthington" <ste...@jsw12.gen34.nz56.remove_numbers> wrote in
message news:llljk592kt4chpgts...@4ax.com...
No, I ignored ~misfit~'s point -- which, as usual, is irrelevant.
> Barring dust or
> clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
> to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature exceeding
> the limit. If that is not the case, and this laptop was advertised as
> having a CPU that can do xxx GHz and the buyer was not told that it
> would do thermal shutdown if he actually ran it at xxx GHz for a
> while, then the seller was clearly in breach of the FTA and/or CGA and
> the buyer should be getting his money back because it does not work as
> advertised.
The OP has a software problem, not a hardware problem.
starlyte
I will have to get some more details from my wife, all i know is she
cant use firefox to do her remote work. It could be her work's system
that does not support firefox (they all use IE on site) everything
they do is web based on and off site
starlyte
wrote:
this is more then likely the way we use the laptop... it often sits on
the arm of a couch.. so it does not get alot of air flow. Sitting on a
table im sure it will manage its temperatures just fine. but my point
really was that wine wont exit cleanly
starlyte
> impossible wrote:
>
> > "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in
> > messagenews:hi6abu$3ti$2...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> >> In message <d67895cd-7351-4774-94eb-
i guess its not the latest release.. But these problems have existed
right from the start.. while it was the latest release
without meaning to probe wars... the machine is dualboot (winxp and
ubuntu)
winxp was only used when my wife needed to do her work as it wouldnt
work under firefox. all my above problems do not occur under windows
and its a 10 year old os
i prefer not to use windows and i would like to use the linux install
to become familiar and remove the need to have a windows partition
even on there. once IE via wine was up and running, the laptop never
boots into windows
starlyte
> > starlyte wrote:
> > im currently very tempted to ditch it and try win7
>
> If cost isn't an issue then I'd agree with your suggestion of trying Win 7.
> There's minimal effort required to do a Windows installation and MS
> hardware compatibility outstrips Linux by miles.
>
> But if you're going to go through the "hassle" of changing operating systems
> why not try Ubuntu 9.10 before you buy Win7 and see if that fixes your
> problems.
>
> For a start, you'll be installing the 2.6.31 kernel as opposed to the 2.6.24
> kernel you're currently using. And Ubuntu is less flaky than Kubuntu,
> although you do sacrifice flexibility.
>
> Kubuntu had a lockscreen bug a while back (or more precisely KDE had the
> bug). Maybe this is causing your crashes when you close the lid.
>
> And please don't say your using KDE 4.x cos it's a pile of @!#%*
>
> Can you browse Facebook on the IE install you mentioned. Then the problem is
> with FF.
>
> Have you the latest FF and Flash installed (obviously). Have you tried
> Facebook with a different linux browser (not IE via WINE). Personally I'd
> use Opera 10 for Linux cos it's a fast browser with a small footprint.
>
> Looking at the Wine Apps database it seems that Internet Explorer 7.0 and
> Wine 1.1.34 are compatible. But they seem to require a bit of effort. Bit
>
> Have you tried the User Agent Switcher extension for Firefox. Maybe you can
> fool your wife's work server into thinking it's talking to IE.
>
> Best of luck. Let us know how it turns out.
>
> Lodi
Thanks for your helpful response.
money is not an issue, i do like the idea of "free and open source"
hence i gave ubuntu a shot. im not fussed if i have to change to a
whole new OS to make things work
a little while back i looked into updating from version 8.04 but i
halted the update because it did not follow the method stated on the
ubuntu website
The website states that i must go from 8.04 to 8.10 first before going
to 9.04 (9.10 had not been released at the time )
initially i did not have any option to update, Found instructions to
enable the update button. When i pressed it it wanted to go directly
from 8.04 to 9.04. this is where i stopped because i knew it was meant
to go to 8.10 first
now that 9.10 is released. i figure the best way might be to download,
backup, format and start from scratch
im not using kde 4. it is 3.something (whatever came with the release
of 8.04)
this is the IE for linux i used:
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
I will check what wine version i have and see if that can be update
User agent switching is a good one to try too :)
starlyte
i am not a troll, nor am i anti linux. granted im not a fan of Mac OS,
But alot of people are. Its just not my cup of tea
i have been brought up using windows, at work there is a mixture of
windows, linux, mac and even some irix machines
im using basically to save money. while these problems are not show
stoppers. They are bugging me. enough for me work out how to fix them,
or change to something else (so i can have a different set of
problems)
JohnO
>
> > "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote in
> >> In message <d67895cd-7351-4774-94eb-
But is it supported with updates and bug fixes? If so the age
shouldn't matter. If it is not supported, than that's a pretty damning
indictment of the distro.
I tried Ubuntu 9.10 recently but it crashes on Intel845 chipsets. 9.4
seems to work pretty well though. Just ideal for my mums pc which is
purely web and email, and it helps prevent my nephew from installing a
lot of crap on it.
~misfit~
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:34:00 -0600, "impossible"
> <impos...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> "~misfit~" <sore_n...@yahoo-nospam.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:hi90ku$bkl$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver
>>>> cranks up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not
>>>> adversly affect the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at
>>>> times the machine shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees
>>>> (feature, not a problem)
>>>
>>>> off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a little guy
>>>> intel dual core T7xx series cpu
>>>
>>> I'd be curious to know what manufacurer put a CPU into a laptop
>>> that can't even be used much over 50% of it's potential without it
>>> shutting down due to thermal overload and having you think that
>>> it's a frickin' FEATURE!. That's some damn good marketing. Either
>>> that or you've compromisd the cooling by letting it get dusty or
>>> whatever inside.
>>>
>>> My Intel T7400 (2.13GHz) Core2Duo in this T60 ThinkPad can run both
>>> cores 100% (Prime95 et al) and the die temp doesn't go over 75
>>> degrees. Sure, the fan gets loud but the CPU doesn't even get near
>>
>> It's not unusual for badly designed software (or malware) to hog the
>> cpu and cause the OP's symptoms. And yes, as a defense against those
>> kind of rogue applications, automatic thermal shutdown is a cpu
>> feature.
>
> You rather seem to have missed misfit's point. Barring dust or
> clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
> to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature exceeding
> the limit. If that is not the case, and this laptop was advertised as
> having a CPU that can do xxx GHz and the buyer was not told that it
> would do thermal shutdown if he actually ran it at xxx GHz for a
> while, then the seller was clearly in breach of the FTA and/or CGA and
> the buyer should be getting his money back because it does not work as
> advertised.
Thank you Stephen, for seeing my point and trying to explain it to one of
the errr, bozos in my bozo-bin.
I want to know what brand and model of laptop it is so I know to avoid it
like the plague, (unless it's been/being abused and/or not cleaned after use
in a dusty environment).
--
Cheers,
~misfit~
> On Jan 9, 5:28 pm, "~misfit~" <sore_n_ha...@yahoo-nospam.com.au>
> wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> my problem with this is once she exits out of IE the wineserver
>>> cranks up to 100% cpu usage on one core. While it does not adversly
>>> affect the laptops usefulness. it does make it hot and at times the
>>> machine shuts it self off as its reached 100 degrees (feature, not
>>> a problem) off hand i cant remember the exact specs. but its not a
>>> little guy intel dual core T7xx series cpu
>>
>> I'd be curious to know what manufacurer put a CPU into a laptop that
>> can't even be used much over 50% of it's potential without it
>> shutting down due to thermal overload and having you think that it's
>> a frickin' FEATURE!. That's some damn good marketing. Either that or
>> you've compromisd the cooling by letting it get dusty or whatever
>> inside.
>>
>> My Intel T7400 (2.13GHz) Core2Duo in this T60 ThinkPad can run both
>> cores 100% (Prime95 et al) and the die temp doesn't go over 75
>> degrees. Sure, the fan gets loud but the CPU doesn't even get near
>> Intel's trhermal throttling range let alone shutdown.
>
> the arm of a couch.. so it does not get alot of air flow. Sitting on a
> table im sure it will manage its temperatures just fine. but my point
> really was that wine wont exit cleanly
Does sitting it on the arm of the couch block a vent? If not it is likely to
allow *more* air circulation than sitting flat on a table would.
You didn't answer my question.....
~misfit~
>> On Jan 8, 4:49 pm, starlyte <say...@wetafx.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> i have a couple of problems with my linux laptop
>>
>> This sounds like the trolling that goes on in comp.os.linux.advocacy
>> . There seem to be a small hard core of people (flatfish and his
>> mates) who seem to have no end of trouble with Linux. They have
>> suffered Linux purgatory for years. They can only be masochists or
>> anti-Linux trolls (no doubt M$ or M$ partners' employees). Otherwise
>> they would have stuck to Windows.
>
> i am not a troll, nor am i anti linux. granted im not a fan of Mac OS,
> But alot of people are. Its just not my cup of tea
> i have been brought up using windows, at work there is a mixture of
> windows, linux, mac and even some irix machines
>
> im using basically to save money.
Yet in your reply to Lodi you wrote:
> Thanks for your helpful response.
> money is not an issue, i do like the idea of "free and open source"
You can't have it both ways.
Allistar
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>> On Jan 8, 9:17 pm, peterwn <pmiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 8, 4:49 pm, starlyte <say...@wetafx.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i have a couple of problems with my linux laptop
>>>
>>> This sounds like the trolling that goes on in comp.os.linux.advocacy
>>> . There seem to be a small hard core of people (flatfish and his
>>> mates) who seem to have no end of trouble with Linux. They have
>>> suffered Linux purgatory for years. They can only be masochists or
>>> anti-Linux trolls (no doubt M$ or M$ partners' employees). Otherwise
>>> they would have stuck to Windows.
>>
>> i am not a troll, nor am i anti linux. granted im not a fan of Mac OS,
>> But alot of people are. Its just not my cup of tea
>> i have been brought up using windows, at work there is a mixture of
>> windows, linux, mac and even some irix machines
>>
>> im using basically to save money.
> [snip]
>
> Yet in your reply to Lodi you wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your helpful response.
>> money is not an issue, i do like the idea of "free and open source"
>
> You can't have it both ways.
"Free" doesn't necessarily refer to monetary cost.
--
A.
starlyte
there are vents around the sides and also underneath. It also has
feet, So sitting on its feet allows the bottom vent actually vent. Its
often smothered by the couch
i dont believe there is any fault of the hardware... so i dont think i
need to name and shame the brand
starlyte
wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>
> > On Jan 8, 9:17 pm, peterwn <pmiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 8, 4:49 pm, starlyte <say...@wetafx.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >>> i have a couple of problems with my linux laptop
>
> >> This sounds like the trolling that goes on in comp.os.linux.advocacy
> >> . There seem to be a small hard core of people (flatfish and his
> >> mates) who seem to have no end of trouble with Linux. They have
> >> suffered Linux purgatory for years. They can only be masochists or
> >> anti-Linux trolls (no doubt M$ or M$ partners' employees). Otherwise
> >> they would have stuck to Windows.
>
> > i am not a troll, nor am i anti linux. granted im not a fan of Mac OS,
> > But alot of people are. Its just not my cup of tea
> > i have been brought up using windows, at work there is a mixture of
> > windows, linux, mac and even some irix machines
>
> > im using basically to save money.
>
> [snip]
>
> Yet in your reply to Lodi you wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your helpful response.
> > money is not an issue, i do like the idea of "free and open source"
>
> You can't have it both ways.
> --
> Shaun.
alright then. put it this way
if there are two options. one that costs only a download and another
to buy in a shop. I would prefer to go for the download option first
while im happy to buy windows 7 if needed, its preferable to use the
free OS
Sailor Sam
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>> On Jan 8, 9:17 pm, peterwn <pmiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 8, 4:49 pm, starlyte <say...@wetafx.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i have a couple of problems with my linux laptop
>>> This sounds like the trolling that goes on in comp.os.linux.advocacy
>>> . There seem to be a small hard core of people (flatfish and his
>>> mates) who seem to have no end of trouble with Linux. They have
>>> suffered Linux purgatory for years. They can only be masochists or
>>> anti-Linux trolls (no doubt M$ or M$ partners' employees). Otherwise
>>> they would have stuck to Windows.
>> i am not a troll, nor am i anti linux. granted im not a fan of Mac OS,
>> But alot of people are. Its just not my cup of tea
>> i have been brought up using windows, at work there is a mixture of
>> windows, linux, mac and even some irix machines
>>
>> im using basically to save money.
> [snip]
>
> Yet in your reply to Lodi you wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your helpful response.
>> money is not an issue, i do like the idea of "free and open source"
>
> You can't have it both ways.
A fool and his money.
Enkidu
> On Jan 9, 11:18 am, Enkidu <enkidu....@com.cliffp.com> wrote:
>> starlyte wrote:
>>
>>> 3 - i have to run internet explorer via wine - not cos i want to, i
>>> need to :( my wife vpns into her work and they have some sort of an
>>> outlook exchange server to view her email. This does not work under
>>> firefox.
>> >
>> I don't understand this one. I use Firefox to read email on an Exchange
>> server via Webmail all the time. What exactly "does not work under FireFox"?
>
> cant use firefox to do her remote work. It could be her work's system
> that does not support firefox (they all use IE on site) everything
> they do is web based on and off site
>
problem. It's likely that they use ActiveX controls.
Enkidu
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>> On Jan 8, 9:17 pm, peterwn <pmiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 8, 4:49 pm, starlyte <say...@wetafx.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i have a couple of problems with my linux laptop
>>> This sounds like the trolling that goes on in comp.os.linux.advocacy
>>> . There seem to be a small hard core of people (flatfish and his
>>> mates) who seem to have no end of trouble with Linux. They have
>>> suffered Linux purgatory for years. They can only be masochists or
>>> anti-Linux trolls (no doubt M$ or M$ partners' employees). Otherwise
>>> they would have stuck to Windows.
>> i am not a troll, nor am i anti linux. granted im not a fan of Mac OS,
>> But alot of people are. Its just not my cup of tea
>> i have been brought up using windows, at work there is a mixture of
>> windows, linux, mac and even some irix machines
>>
>> im using basically to save money.
> [snip]
>
> Yet in your reply to Lodi you wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your helpful response.
>> money is not an issue, i do like the idea of "free and open source"
>
> You can't have it both ways.
>
Enkidu
>>> February 2009 is old? Who are you kidding, Loser? The laptop is much
>>> older than that.
>> >
>> 8.04 was released April 24 2008. It's *very* old.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Cliff
>>
>> --
>>
>> The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
>> the same old personalities show through.
>
> But is it supported with updates and bug fixes? If so the age
> shouldn't matter. If it is not supported, than that's a pretty damning
> indictment of the distro.
>
Gordon
[snip]
>
> You rather seem to have missed misfit's point. Barring dust or
> clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
> to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature exceeding
> the limit.
Care to site a Maufacturer's warrantee or other reference. No, I am not
being whatever.
How many engines are run at max power 100% of the time they are running?
The point is did it fail under normal/reasonable use.
Gordon
As is this ng to you. Please leave now.
victor
100% is normal, its not an engine, its a switching semiconductor device,
all it has in it is transistors.
All it needs is its specified thermal dissipation, it should never have
less.
To use your defective car analogy that would be like running with no
coolant.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
a9d4-85f...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, starlyte wrote:
> i guess its not the latest release.. But these problems have existed
> right from the start..
Yes, but newer versions will have newer hardware drivers, which are
particularly important for a complicated issue like ACPI power management on
laptops.
Definitely worth a try upgrading the OS. You can back it up first if you
want to be really safe. I’ve done this sort of thing frequently, using
rsync.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> How many engines are run at max power 100% of the time they are running?
The old VW Beetle.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
e36951...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, starlyte wrote:
> there are vents around the sides and also underneath. It also has
> feet, So sitting on its feet allows the bottom vent actually vent. Its
> often smothered by the couch
There may be some GUI tool for checking the CPU temperature, but you should
be able to find it by looking in the /proc/acpi/thermal_zone directory and
reading one of the files there.
~misfit~
Did you only look at the last few words? In both quotes "money" was
specifically mentioned. If 'money' isn't 'monetary' then I'm the sugar-plum
faerie.
~misfit~
> On 2010-01-10, Stephen Worthington
> <ste...@jsw12.gen34.nz56.remove_numbers> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>
>> You rather seem to have missed misfit's point. Barring dust or
>> clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
>> to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature
>> exceeding the limit.
>
> Care to site a Maufacturer's warrantee or other reference. No, I am
> not
> being whatever.
>
> How many engines are run at max power 100% of the time they are
> running?
Bad analogy. 2/10.
> The point is did it fail under normal/reasonable use.
So using a programme that maxes out both cores for half an hour to transcode
video (for instance) isn't 'reasonable use'? If it couldn't do that without
thermal throttling or shutting down I'd sure as hell be taking it back.
The OP is saying that it's shutting down with just one core maxed out.
Unacceptable. Then again, he did say that he's using it in a way that is
just asking for trouble.
<shrug> I guess some people can afford to buy something, be reckless with it
and then replace it. If t'were me having thermal shutdown issues using it on
the arm of the chair I'd put a large [laptop-sized] 'coffee table' book or
perhaps a piece of MDF under it. Then again, I'm the careful sort who
doesn't have money to replace abused hardware when it fails.
~misfit~
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>>> On Jan 8, 9:17 pm, peterwn <pmiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 8, 4:49 pm, starlyte <say...@wetafx.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i have a couple of problems with my linux laptop
>>>> This sounds like the trolling that goes on in
>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy . There seem to be a small hard core of
>>>> people (flatfish and his mates) who seem to have no end of trouble
>>>> with Linux. They have suffered Linux purgatory for years. They can
>>>> only be masochists or anti-Linux trolls (no doubt M$ or M$
>>>> partners' employees). Otherwise they would have stuck to Windows.
>>> i am not a troll, nor am i anti linux. granted im not a fan of Mac
>>> OS, But alot of people are. Its just not my cup of tea
>>> i have been brought up using windows, at work there is a mixture of
>>> windows, linux, mac and even some irix machines
>>>
>>> im using basically to save money.
>> [snip]
>>
>> Yet in your reply to Lodi you wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your helpful response.
>>> money is not an issue, i do like the idea of "free and open source"
>>
>> You can't have it both ways.
>>
> Of course he can. "Like" is not the same as "Insist on".
C'mon Cliffie, you can read better than that. He said he likes 'the idea of
"free and open source"'. Nowhere was 'like' used to refer to saving money or
the cost of the OS.
To simplify, the relevant bits are:
a) "im using basically to save money"
b) "money is not an issue"
Two statements that directly contradict each other.
--
Cheers,
Stephen Worthington
OK, so you are blocking the airflow. That is living very dangerously.
Sure, it has thermal shutdown capability, but relying on that too
often is very likely to get you a burned out CPU. Read the fine print
and you will find that they do not guarantee that the thermal shutdown
will save the CPU. All it takes is just one junction to go over
temperature for long enough and the chip is junk. You really need to
consider using it differently. I have a piece of particle board under
mine when I use it on top of my bed.
JohnO
> >>> February 2009 is old? Who are you kidding, Loser? The laptop is much
> >>> older than that.
>
> >> 8.04 was released April 24 2008. It's *very* old.
>
> >> Cheers,
>
> >> Cliff
>
> >> --
>
> >> The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
> >> the same old personalities show through.
>
> > But is it supported with updates and bug fixes? If so the age
> > shouldn't matter. If it is not supported, than that's a pretty damning
> > indictment of the distro.
>
> It's supported until April 2011. It's still old.
Old in terms of release date but that is irrelevant to this topic. It
can be current for bug fixes and that may be all the OP is interested
in.
As I posted elsewhere, 9.04 is older than 9.10 but at least it works
on Intel 845G chipsets.
~misfit~
Yup. Not to mention the extra heat that the HDD and battery have to put up
with. This really is a recipe for accelerated aging at the best,
catastrophic failure at the worst.
> You really need to
> consider using it differently. I have a piece of particle board under
> mine when I use it on top of my bed.
I agree. I have a piece of MDF in my laptop bag in case I need it to put
under the laptop when it's away from the desk.
--
Cheers,
impossible
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Allistar wrote:
>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs starlyte wrote:
>>>
>>>> i am not a troll, nor am i anti linux. granted im not a fan of Mac
>>>> OS, But alot of people are. Its just not my cup of tea
>>>> i have been brought up using windows, at work there is a mixture of
>>>> windows, linux, mac and even some irix machines
>>>>
>>>> im using basically to save money.
>>> [snip]
>>>
SNIP?! You mean you're going to doctor that post just so you can try to
score a point.
Let's seee what ~misfit~ is so anxious to cover up, Here's the original:
starlyte: "im using basically to save money. while these problems are not
show
stoppers. They are bugging me. enough for me work out how to fix them,
or change to something else (so i can have a different set of
problems)"
Ahhh....now I see. The OP would like to save money by using linux, and so
wants to try to solve the problems with linux that he's experiencing. That
makes sense.
>>> Yet in your reply to Lodi you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your helpful response.
>>>> money is not an issue, i do like the idea of "free and open source"
>>>
>>> You can't have it both ways.
Of course the OP can have it both ways. But again ~misfit~ has doctored the
reply, just like some Larry D'Loserite. What starlyte actually said was:
"money is not an issue, i do like the idea of "free and open source
hence i gave ubuntu a shot. im not fussed if i have to change to a
whole new OS to make things work"
So the OP prefers free and open source and wants to save money, if possible.
But if spending money on a new operating system is what it takes to get a
working nachine, then that's what he's prepared to do.
>>
>> "Free" doesn't necessarily refer to monetary cost.
>
> Did you only look at the last few words? In both quotes "money" was
> specifically mentioned. If 'money' isn't 'monetary' then I'm the
> sugar-plum faerie.
> --
What you are is a sorry sack of shite.
impossible
"Gordon" <gor...@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:7qvqib...@mid.individual.net...
[restoring the rest of my post censored by Ms Penguin, Queen of the Larry
D'Loserites:]
>>> Barring dust or
>>> clogged or damaged venting, a properly designed laptop should be able
>>> to run its CPU cores at 100% forever without the temperature exceeding
>>> the limit. If that is not the case, and this laptop was advertised as
>>> having a CPU that can do xxx GHz and the buyer was not told that it
>>> would do thermal shutdown if he actually ran it at xxx GHz for a
>>> while, then the seller was clearly in breach of the FTA and/or CGA and
>>> the buyer should be getting his money back because it does not work as
>>> advertised.
>>
>> The OP has a software problem, not a hardware problem.
>
> As is this ng to you. Please leave now.
Ms Penguin, lame and irrelevant as usual.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
c76a-46e6-9ef...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, JohnO wrote:
> As I posted elsewhere, 9.04 is older than 9.10 but at least it works
> on Intel 845G chipsets.
Not sure why that would be relevant to the OP’s problems, though.
JohnO
central.gen.new_zealand> wrote:
> In message <bc1de84a-
>
> c76a-46e6-9efb-7f95c682d...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, JohnO wrote:
> > As I posted elsewhere, 9.04 is older than 9.10 but at least it works
> > on Intel 845G chipsets.
>
> Not sure why that would be relevant to the OP’s problems, though.
Not relevant at all in itself. Simply an example where and old release
is better than new release. That *is* relevant to the OP.