Giving Linux a go...
cowboyz
need to download to get the following working on a linux setup
I want to be able to burn CD's
I want to be able to use the Video In capabilities of my GF4MX
I want to be able to rip DVD
I want to be able to convert that rip to DivX
I want my Ultra connection working
I want to share that connection over my LAN.
help?
cowboyz
and my crappy Lucent winmodem
"cowboyz" <cow...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Joe Bloggs
have all been done before and theres a few HOWTOs to help
"cowboyz" <cow...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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> oh yeah. must be able to run dual monitor as well
http://staff.pisoftware.com/bmarshal/publications/xinerama.html
> and my crappy Lucent winmodem
http://www.linmodems.org/
http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
>
> "cowboyz" <cow...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:aqjqmh$s2f$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> > ok, So now I finding a little more time on my hands I want to know what
I
> > need to download to get the following working on a linux setup
> >
> >
> > I want to be able to burn CD's
cdrecord xcdroast
http://www.xcdroast.org/
> > I want to be able to use the Video In capabilities of my GF4MX
video4linux
http://rivatv.sourceforge.net/
> > I want to be able to rip DVD
> > I want to be able to convert that rip to DivX
http://www.divx.com/divx/linux/
> >
> > I want my Ultra connection working
> > I want to share that connection over my LAN.
http://ts-zone.tripod.com/sm200/
> >
> > help?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Matthew Poole
If not, and you're fairly comfortable with computers, go with Debian.
Adding stuff is amazingly easy, it's well designed, and it puts stuff in
"standard" locations - Unlike Dead Rat which puts things in obscure
places just to keep you on your toes.
As for the things above, you'll need to go to IHUG for the Ultra drivers
for Linux. Connection sharing is kernel functionality so you won't need
anything additional for that.
nVidia distribute Linux drivers off their website, which you will need
for the display card.
I'll defer on the rest to people who do that kind of thing with Linux
systems.
--
Matthew Poole Auckland, New Zealand
"Veni, vidi, velcro...
I came, I saw, I stuck around"
My real e-mail is mattATp00leDOTnet
Peter
> ok, So now I finding a little more time on my hands I want to know what I
> need to download to get the following working on a linux setup
job getting a distro down over a dial up modem. A single distro is around
2GB to download.
Where do you live? Check out your local LUG. For sure, you'll find someone
who can burn off a copy of a distro for you (for the cost of materials,
etc). Else, ask here in nz.comp for someone near you, or order one from a
place like www.copyleft.co.nz or www.xsolutions.co.nz.
While at the LUG, you'll find knowledgeable people who are keen to help.
Take a look at a couple of different distros, and see what you like. You
might be better off starting with whatever distro is popular there.
IMHO Mandrake or Redhat might be a little easier to start with than Debian.
Just remember, Linux is different to Windows, and will take quite a bit of
learning on your part. There is heaps of documentation about, make good
use of it.
good luck
Peter
Thing
> oh yeah. must be able to run dual monitor as well
I havent done this as yet so i dont know, i believe it can be done.
> and my crappy Lucent winmodem
depends on the lucent chipset, some will work.
>
> "cowboyz" <cow...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:aqjqmh$s2f$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>>ok, So now I finding a little more time on my hands I want to know what I
>>need to download to get the following working on a linux setup
>>
>>
>>I want to be able to burn CD's
yes
>>I want to be able to use the Video In capabilities of my GF4MX
never tried, it will probably depend on what nvidia has made available
>>I want to be able to rip DVD
probably ~ check freshmeat for a proggy
>>I want to be able to convert that rip to DivX
probably ~ check freshmeat for a proggy
>>
>>I want my Ultra connection working
I believe it works from what ihug say
>>I want to share that connection over my LAN.
yes, NAT, firewalling.
>>
>>help?
>>
i dont really use the gui much so some of this "fancy stuff" Ive simply
not bothered with so i cannot help.
Learning Linux has a hard curve, first decide on which distro and dual
boot the computer, you want to run before you can walk a wee bit.
regards
Thing
cowboyz
"Joe Bloggs" <j...@bloggs.xx> wrote in message
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sweet. I have saved that email. I have mandrake 8 I downloaded a while
ago. Suit or should I download another distro?
cowboyz
"Thing" <th...@thing.dyndns.org> wrote in message
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> cowboyz wrote:
> > oh yeah. must be able to run dual monitor as well
>
> I havent done this as yet so i dont know, i believe it can be done.
>
> > and my crappy Lucent winmodem
>
> depends on the lucent chipset, some will work.
>
> >
I already had a crack at getting mandrake 8 to work and it didn't like my
modem. I would guess other distros may like it?
Peter
>
> sweet. I have saved that email. I have mandrake 8 I downloaded a while
> ago. Suit or should I download another distro?
Life has moved on a lot since Mandrake 8. I'd recommend you get a copy of
Mandrake 9.0 - works fine here with my winmodem.
(On the topic of winmodems, there wasn't one for Redhat 8.0 when I last
looked.)
Also take a look at this great collection of links;
http://loll.sourceforge.net/linux/links/
cheers
Peter
cowboyz
"Peter" <nospa...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
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> cowboyz wrote:
> > ok, So now I finding a little more time on my hands I want to know what
I
> > need to download to get the following working on a linux setup
>
> In the other post, you mention a winmodem. It could be a bit of a long
term
> job getting a distro down over a dial up modem. A single distro is around
> 2GB to download.
No problem. I do have a crappy winmodem and don't see the point in buying a
'faster' 'higher quality one' cause everything comes back to me via a
satelite. (not that I am suggesting that you have suggested that I change
my modem, but it has been mentioned several hundred times in the past.
> Where do you live? Check out your local LUG. For sure, you'll find
someone
> who can burn off a copy of a distro for you (for the cost of materials,
> etc). Else, ask here in nz.comp for someone near you, or order one from a
> place like www.copyleft.co.nz or www.xsolutions.co.nz.
I live in the middle of nowhere.
>
> While at the LUG, you'll find knowledgeable people who are keen to help.
> Take a look at a couple of different distros, and see what you like. You
> might be better off starting with whatever distro is popular there.
>
I already have mandrake 8. Should I get mandrake 9 or go with something
else?
Warren Doney
Joe Bloggs
"cowboyz" <cow...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message > sweet. I have saved that
email. I have mandrake 8 I downloaded a while
> ago. Suit or should I download another distro?
>
>
possible.
mandrake 9 or redhat 8.
There are several local mirrors of both
Mandrake 9 is at ftp://debian.co.nz/Mandrake/i586/9.0/ or
ftp://ftp.isl.net.nz/pub/linux/dist/mandrake/iso/
Redhat 8 is at ftp://ftp.isl.net.nz/pub/linux/dist/redhat/
I think the guy who runs this site is an occasional poster here
If the distro does not detect and run your LT modem, the linmodems page
should get you there.
The driver is developed and maintained by Lucent /Agere, and RPM binaries to
suit various kernels including the latest mandrake and Redhat are at
http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
The driver should also be there for your mandrake 8.2
http://www.sfu.ca/~cth/ltmodem/dists/mandrake/8.22a5/
Aum
If your motherboard has ISA slots, then get yourself a hardware modem.
If not, then consider getting an external modem (far more useful).
All 'winmodems' need to be burned in a huge bonfire.
Skippy
what Iv found from Mandrake is that it is easy for someone comming form
Windows. its got all the point and click stuff happening. Redhat was good
but not as much hardware support. Mandrake seemd to find all my devices
while redhat didnt. mind you that was redhat 7.
You could even try Caldera that was the first distro I tried and was very
nice to work with
"cowboyz" <cow...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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colinco
>
> No problem. I do have a crappy winmodem and don't see the point in buying a
> 'faster' 'higher quality one' cause everything comes back to me via a
> satelite. (not that I am suggesting that you have suggested that I change
> my modem, but it has been mentioned several hundred times in the past.
>
If you have an LT "winmodem" I doubt that you'll find another modem that
works much better. Most external and isa modems haven't had much
development for years. Some lines are just too crap for modems.
cowboyz
"Aum" <spa...@no-thanks.com> wrote in message
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I KNEW that was coming. I replied to this a little early with someone else.
It only takes time for someone to bring up the hardware modem thing. I use
Ultra satelite. The modem is only used to connect therefore my $40 winmodem
does just fine.
Peter
<snip>
> a 'faster' 'higher quality one' cause everything comes back to me via a
> satelite. (not that I am suggesting that you have suggested that I
> change my modem, but it has been mentioned several hundred times in the
> past.
I agree - winmodems can work ok, at least some of them. My winmodem works
fine. I got drivers for Mandrake 9 from here ...
http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake/mandrake9.0/
Apparently winmodem drivers aren't available for Redhat 8.0, and you can't
compile your own - some glitch with some libraries or something.
> I already have mandrake 8. Should I get mandrake 9 or go with something
> else?
Yes - definitely get a later distro. I don't know if it does everything you
are after, but should be a better chance. Also, better for building on
with other apps.
Peter
Thing
while i sorta agree, being able to use what he has is good form.
regards
Thing
Thing
check to see if its one of the supported ones.
if so it should work, it seems a fiddle though from what i recall ppl
saying.
i run cable so i dont play with modems much.
regards
Thing
C
wrote:
>
>"cowboyz" <cow...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message > sweet. I have saved that
>email. I have mandrake 8 I downloaded a while
>> ago. Suit or should I download another distro?
>>
>>
>With your wishlist, I think you should start with as recent a distro as
>possible.
>mandrake 9 or redhat 8.
>There are several local mirrors of both
>Mandrake 9 is at ftp://debian.co.nz/Mandrake/i586/9.0/ or
>ftp://ftp.isl.net.nz/pub/linux/dist/mandrake/iso/
Mandrake 9 (3 CD's) will be available on the November issue of APC
($9.95). Already out in Australia and due out end of the month or so
here in NZ.
(The current October issue of APC has Nortons Utilis 2002 full
version)
Gordon
> cowboyz wrote:
>>
>> sweet. I have saved that email. I have mandrake 8 I downloaded a while
>> ago. Suit or should I download another distro?
>
> Life has moved on a lot since Mandrake 8. I'd recommend you get a copy of
> Mandrake 9.0 - works fine here with my winmodem.
This is an *important* point, as others have hinted at. Each Linux version
gets better and better.
There used to be a time when it ran HD only without any further fiddling.
Now hardware is pickuped and it all go from the reboot.
People who say that the Penguin is not ready for the desktop last saw the
Penguin waddling about on the land. She goes much faster in the water,
which where she is now.
Skippy
internet using windows *GRIN*
and from there have ICS and your linux box going into that. Iv had MANY
troubles getting linux to work with modems. Only modem out of 5 I got
working properly was a US Robotnics 36.6k modem. Getting Internet via eth is
VERy easy.
Steve
> sweet. I have saved that email. I have mandrake 8 I downloaded a while
> ago. Suit or should I download another distro?
Mandrake 8.0 is a bit old now....they have also released 8.2 and now 9.0.
Use the lastest distros for the best device and other support.
Steve
> ok, So now I finding a little more time on my hands I want to know what I
> need to download to get the following working on a linux setup
>
>
> I want to be able to burn CD's
X-CDRoast is good.
> I want to be able to use the Video In capabilities of my GF4MX
NVidia will have to support it in their binary drivers for linux. If
they do, fine.
If they don't....then you'll have to dual-boot install and use Windows
for this until Nvidia add the function to the Linux drivers.
I have a couple of video devices that Pinnacle don't support on
Linux...so Iuse Windows for that. But that would be 2 hours / month. The
rest of the time, that system runs Linux.
> I want to be able to rip DVD
You can use DeCSS to copy the DVD to your hard drive....
> I want to be able to convert that rip to DivX
No idea...I don't do that.
> I want my Ultra connection working
Should be OK if it is standard TCP/IP
> I want to share that connection over my LAN.
You came to the right place: Linux does this really well, but you have
to set it up and it will take a wee bit of reading.There is an IP MASQ
HOWto at www.linuxdocs.org. You can also get good docs on a netfilter
firewall, too.
Mark Derricutt
> NVidia will have to support it in their binary drivers for linux. If they do,
> fine.
NVidia also supply src.rpm's to rebuild on any kernel, so you don't need to
wait for NVidia themselves to make a specific release - which is handy.
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cowboyz
"GraB" <gr...@strawz.co.nz> wrote in message
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> >I already have mandrake 8. Should I get mandrake 9 or go with something
> >else?
> >
> should be available in a week or two.
I'll keep an eye out for it.
ta
cowboyz
"Skippy" <nos...@nospam.co.nz> wrote in message
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computer is for the kids. I am not downgrading to the P4 just to host the
net.
Alternatively it would not be the best idea to install Linux on the P4 cause
the kids are just getting used to windows.
Dave
snip
> Alternatively it would not be the best idea to install Linux on the P4
cause
> the kids are just getting used to windows.
>
>
Having "got used" to windows and appreciating that each costly upgrade gets
worse and even more monopolistic with little or no added reliability I would
be inclined to join the ground swell of educated Linux users. I shall
certainly be using linux at my next upgrade and presently spend time
studying the many options. I am quite prepared for a learning curve, a
little strife, and can't wait to get a more reliable faster cost effective
operating system that I own and remain in control of. Linux is at last
making great strides forward it seems, all it needs is more users.
I suspect that in the course of time your kids would thank you!!
If any new OS will bring MS into the fold of common decency then it will be
Linux I think.
DW
cowboyz
"Dave" <dwar...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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The thing is that when the kids bugger up their computer I have the
'know-how' to repair it without spending much time on it as I know windows
inside out. I am needing to get my machine up with Linux doing everything
it can do now so I can learn how to troubleshoot it before installing it on
their machine simply for a troubleshooting perpective. Having the kids host
the net would be a pain in the arse as I do encourage them to 'play' with
things as then they learn what breaks a machine and therefore are slowly
learning how to repair it. The oldest is only 8 and then 5 and 2 so we are
not talking about computer admin's here. Just kids playing.
So my point being is that Linux (in order for me to be "converted") will
have to be able to drive my POS winmodem and Ultra connection *and* share it
first off and then still be able to do everything that I currently use my
machine for. (refer my list in earlier posts).
I will be waiting for mandrake 9 on the APC mag which will come out next
month and see how far I get with that.
Joe Bloggs
A great way to check it out that you may have heard of is Knoppix, a Linux
which runs from CD, available for NZ download at
ftp://debian.co.nz/Knoppix/
T.N.O.
> >I want to be able to burn CD's
> >I want to be able to use the Video In capabilities of my GF4MX
> >I want to be able to rip DVD
> >I want to be able to convert that rip to DivX
> >I want my Ultra connection working
> >I want to share that connection over my LAN.>must be able to run dual
> monitor as well
This is all pretty easy, Mandrake will do most of this out of the box.
> and my crappy Lucent winmodem
This is not, you can fiddle and eventually get them to work, but I have
never had that much success with them.
T.N.O.
> Mandrake 9.0 - works fine here with my winmodem.
Which sort of winmodem?
T.N.O.
> with little or no added reliability
I actually find XP to be just as reliable as my Mandrake box, both
havent been rebooted since they got turned on.
> I would
> be inclined to join the ground swell of educated Linux users.
Join, just dont go weird like some of them here... They scare people.
> I shall
> certainly be using linux at my next upgrade and presently spend time
> studying the many options.
Well I put forward my suggestion of Mandrake 9, Redhat 8, and if you
love to tinker heaps(I mean heaps) Debian
> I am quite prepared for a learning curve, a
> little strife, and can't wait to get a more reliable
see above.
> faster
I dont notice it to be any faster than the Windows box... although, if
you dont have much RAM, it can be stripped down to make it better, alot
easier than Windows can.
> cost effective
> operating system that I own and remain in control of.
Well you cant really beat free... maybe someone could pay me to use
their OS :)
> Linux is at last
> making great strides forward it seems, all it needs is more users.
amen
Peter
Lucent winmodem in a Toshiba laptop. (I did have the chipset ref somewhere,
but can't put my hands on it just now.)
Peter
T.N.O.
> Lucent winmodem in a Toshiba laptop. (I did have the chipset ref
> somewhere,
> but can't put my hands on it just now.)
When I get back to dunedin, I might have to give it a go.
--
*** topic in #ramen is 'When your cablemodems combine, I am, Captain
Pirate! :'
cowboyz
> forget thing.
>
> there was lots of good help from the ihug newsgroupe (that has gone
> Quiet!). to runn my ultra connection I am using a dirt cheep (junk from
> Side of road) machine (pentium 166) I have used slackware and mandrake
> with no problems with ultra currently gon hard core using e-smith
> (server only dist) no X window to serve up my ultra not for the faint of
> heart but could be left on site as a coustomers machine.
>
> least with linux you can dule boot so can always use windows if needed
> (i use It MOST) but like to tinker with a DISTUBUTION IN MY SPARE TIME.
>
I have downloaded mandrake 9 and will play with it later tonight.
> linux on the kid's box is nearly bomb proof (userpermisions) and in the
> background couls serve your ultra easley but need a reasonly grunty
> speck machine to to X Window and say KDE say a 500MHZ processor and 64Mb
> ram or 128Mb to be happy and a 4 gig drive for all software (if you dont
> know what to runn)
>
> RecylerMan
The kids box is a P4 1500 with 128Meg RDRAM. I brought it to replace my K7
800 but it just didn't do the job so it got shunted to the kids and little
woman. It is really an overrated games console and internet machine. Seems
too much of a nightmare to get *all* their games to run on Linux when it is
already up and working so that machine making it to a Linux platform is not
likely.
>
> e m a i l l i n u x u s r AT i h u g DOT c o DOT n Z
>
> ps how far away is the middle of nowhere from Hamilton?
>
>
About 15Km east of Taupiri (out by Orini)
RecylerMan
> "Dave" <dwar...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:aqmdfi$2g5$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>>"cowboyz" <cow...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>>news:aqmblg$127$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>
>>snip
>>
>>>Alternatively it would not be the best idea to install Linux on the P4
>>
>>cause
>>
>>>the kids are just getting used to windows.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>>certainly be using linux at my next upgrade and presently spend time
>>If any new OS will bring MS into the fold of common decency then it will
>
> be
>
>>Linux I think.
>>DW
>>
>>
>
>
> The thing is that when the kids bugger up their computer I have the
> 'know-how' to repair it without spending much time on it as I know windows
> inside out. I am needing to get my machine up with Linux doing everything
> it can do now so I can learn how to troubleshoot it before installing it on
> their machine simply for a troubleshooting perpective. Having the kids host
> the net would be a pain in the arse as I do encourage them to 'play' with
> things as then they learn what breaks a machine and therefore are slowly
> learning how to repair it. The oldest is only 8 and then 5 and 2 so we are
> not talking about computer admin's here. Just kids playing.
> So my point being is that Linux (in order for me to be "converted") will
> have to be able to drive my POS winmodem and Ultra connection *and* share it
> first off and then still be able to do everything that I currently use my
> machine for. (refer my list in earlier posts).
>
> I will be waiting for mandrake 9 on the APC mag which will come out next
> month and see how far I get with that.
>
>
>
Ok The Linux and Ultra work ok and can be quite easy almost a set and
forget thing.
there was lots of good help from the ihug newsgroupe (that has gone
Quiet!). to runn my ultra connection I am using a dirt cheep (junk from
Side of road) machine (pentium 166) I have used slackware and mandrake
with no problems with ultra currently gon hard core using e-smith
(server only dist) no X window to serve up my ultra not for the faint of
heart but could be left on site as a coustomers machine.
least with linux you can dule boot so can always use windows if needed
(i use It MOST) but like to tinker with a DISTUBUTION IN MY SPARE TIME.
linux on the kid's box is nearly bomb proof (userpermisions) and in the
background couls serve your ultra easley but need a reasonly grunty
speck machine to to X Window and say KDE say a 500MHZ processor and 64Mb
ram or 128Mb to be happy and a 4 gig drive for all software (if you dont
know what to runn)
RecylerMan
RecylerMan
>>Ok The Linux and Ultra work ok and can be quite easy almost a set and
>>forget thing.
>>
>>
>>least with linux you can dule boot so can always use windows if needed
>>(i use It MOST) but like to tinker with a DISTUBUTION IN MY SPARE TIME.
>>
>
> I have downloaded mandrake 9 and will play with it later tonight.
>
>
>>linux on the kid's box is nearly bomb proof (userpermisions) and in the
>>know what to runn)
>>
>>RecylerMan
>
>
> The kids box is a P4 1500 with 128Meg RDRAM. I brought it to replace my K7
> 800 but it just didn't do the job so it got shunted to the kids and little
> woman. It is really an overrated games console and internet machine. Seems
> too much of a nightmare to get *all* their games to run on Linux when it is
> already up and working so that machine making it to a Linux platform is not
> likely.
>
>>e m a i l l i n u x u s r AT i h u g DOT c o DOT n Z
>>
>>ps how far away is the middle of nowhere from Hamilton?
>>
>>
>
>
> About 15Km east of Taupiri (out by Orini)
>
>
>
Well the Kids machine with all the games proberly wont work may even be
best to
leave it alone and find out how well and how suted it is for you .
That is not quite the middle of nowhere but I do know where it is but
never been there quite yet but one day will it is in my patch of where I
service my machines (photocopiers).....
RecylerMan
Thing
i have a courier v.everything external for those odd occasions I need one.
Thing