Yahoo scanning email for ads

[geopelia]

I see Yahoo is going to be scanning email for adverts.
Does Yahoo have its own email?

Will this include yahoo xtra emails? I use xtra, which I think is some sort
of Yahoo.

Is this the same as a spam check, or will they look at the emails
themselves, such as emails from Countdown or the Warehouse?
I need the Countdown weekly emails for ordering, and they send me
confirmations of orders etc.

Or is it just some scheme to send their own adverts to people who might be
interested?

(Don't the Americans read all our emails anyway?)

[Malcolm]

On Tue 04 Jun 2013 03:23:13 PM CDT, geopelia wrote:

>
>(Don't the Americans read all our emails anyway?)
>

Hi
I'm in Mississippi and reading this...does that count....

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[george152]

On 04/06/13 15:23, geopelia wrote:

> (Don't the Americans read all our emails anyway?)
>
>

I rather doubt that.
Just imagine how many people it would take (and how long) to check the
email output for a single day.
It's paranoia to think we're worth all the effort it would take
they're not out to get us :)

[peterwn]

On Jun 4, 3:23 pm, "geopelia" <geope...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> I see Yahoo is going to be scanning email for adverts.
> Does Yahoo have its own email?

Yahoo has had a web-based email system even longer than Google. Google
already scan gmail emails electronically and place 'context' ads on
the right hand side. It is a fully automatic process so it is not as
if some human is reading your mail.

>
> Will this include yahoo xtra emails? I use xtra, which I think is some sort
> of Yahoo.

I do not think so but I could be wrong. Whether it carries context
sensitive ads would be a matter between Telecom and Yahoo. Telecom
certainly would not want Vodafone ads appearing on xtra-yahoo.

>
> Is this the same as a spam check, or will they look at the emails
> themselves, such as emails from Countdown or the Warehouse?
> I need the Countdown weekly emails for ordering, and they send me
> confirmations of orders etc.

The scanning for ad placement would be similar to spam checking.
Possibly, detection of Countdown emails could lead to New World ads,
similarly Kmart ads for Warehouse emails.

International communications have alrays been regarded as 'fair game'
for eavesdropping. Again, the likes of CIA, KGB's successor, etc would
use automated keyword detecting methods for finding suspicious emails.

The chances of a human actually reading an ordinary person's emails is
extremely remote. One the other hand one has to watch these little old
ladies - they can get up to all sorts of mischief (just kidding!).

[Rich80105]

They are able to store as much as they like, and have sophisticated
programmes to identify words or phrases of interest. and can follow
material initiated by some individuals. Usenet is public anyway - and
yes there are some in America that are likely to follow nz.general.

[EMB]

On 4/06/2013 10:36 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

> They are able to store as much as they like,

And with help from the good people at Endace[1] every posting you (yes,
you personally) make from a computer funded by the NZ taxpayer is trackable.

[1] http://www.endace.com - great people, and they make great toys.

[geopelia]

"Malcolm" <malcolmno...@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:20130603234...@gonzo.gekkota.dyndns.org...

> On Tue 04 Jun 2013 03:23:13 PM CDT, geopelia wrote:
>
>>
>>(Don't the Americans read all our emails anyway?)
>>
> Hi
> I'm in Mississippi and reading this...does that count....
>

How's the weather? I hope there are no tornadoes around your way.

But it's the American government that is supposed to be reading all the
emails.

[geopelia]

"peterwn" <pet...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:a546f0a0-6410-45c4...@bw5g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...

..........................

Too right! But what about big old ladies?

Facebook already has a lot of ads down the right hand side.
But if you magnify it up to 150 you lose them.
I use 125 for ease of reading.

I often talk about guns and bombs. I bet somebody has got their beady eye on
me!
But it's all ancient history to kids today.

[Pooh]

"Rich80105" <rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kngrq8har1tlbr2s6...@4ax.com...

Storing isn't reading Dickie. As you say they can check for phrases and
words. By all accounts one to avoid is Echelon and there used ti be a long
list that people were encoursged to use as much as possible to jam up the
system.

Pooh

[george152]

There used to be such a list that some people used as their sig :)

Most monitoring would be done by message origin

[Allistar]

If an mail is from NZ to NZ then it's unlikely the data leaves our shores.
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A.

[Gordon]

Ah, so google has some servers in NZ for all that gmail stuff?

[Enkidu]

If I ping www.google.co.nz it returns port-60-234-121-35.orcon.net.nz.
(This doesn't mean that it is actually an Orcon server of course).

Ping gmail.com and you get syd01s12-in-f21.1e100.net. (syd = Sydney?).
Again that doesn't mean that the server is in Sydney.

Cheers,

Cliff

[Ras Mikaere Enoch Mc Carty]

"geopelia" wrote:

≤⅗ < I'm in Mississippi and reading this...does that count....

MISSISSIPPI ?
Industrial Toxic Mississippi River And Chemical
Silt Basin From All The Sewage Poisons In The
Very Polluted Waterways Of Mid-America . . .
And Home To A Nasty Set Of Racist White People,
Including Their Very Corrupt Police Agencies.

Yahoo Was Set-Up From The Start As A United
States N.S.A. (National Security Agency) Vehicle
For The Collection (Spying) Of Information Across
The World.

"Geopelia" At One Time Stated Her NO CONCERN
If Governments Or People Were Monitoring Her
Computer Correspondences . . . "about birds"

"Geopelia" A Brazen Bluster NAIVE Complete Fuck-Wit,
Paakehaa Euro-Something Demented.
The Usual Assertive Insane POM (male + female).


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[Pooh]

"george152" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
news:W5-dndHsw8pQ0zPM...@giganews.com...

Nah. Was more fun sending emails to friends using as many words as possible.
Especially when the emails were going to people in Defence and Police. Never
got a rise which was a bit disappointing :)

Pooh

[Seagull]

"geopelia" wrote in message news:kojm9s$2jo$1...@dont-email.me...

Details here:
http://dottech.org/111191/yahoo-shutting-down-mail-classic-forcing-users-to-switch-to-new-mail-version-which-scans-emails-for-ads/

Note you CAN opt out.

[geopelia]

"Seagull" <seagull117@invalid_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kon9hf$9gf$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

I don't use Yahoo itself, but I think xtra has some connection. I haven't
heard anything from xtra though.

[Dave Doe]

In article <konbe4$g11$1...@dont-email.me>, geop...@nowhere.com, geopelia
says...

You *do* use Yahoo - you're using Xtra for your e-mail, and they don't
host it themeselves anymore, they outsource it to Yahoo. So your e-mail
is on Yahoo's servers.

--
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[geoff]

"Allistar" <m...@hiddenaddress.com> wrote in message
news:-c2dnVerpProyzPM...@giganews.com...

Used to be the case that everything went to the USA and back because Telecom
were too tight to pay the some local access point fee - or something like
that.

geoff

[geoff]

"Pooh" <pa...@bigots.lie> wrote in message
news:komo10$hrq$1...@dont-email.me...

>
> "george152" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
> news:W5-dndHsw8pQ0zPM...@giganews.com...
>> On 05/06/13 01:44, Pooh wrote:
>>> "Rich80105" <rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:kngrq8har1tlbr2s6...@4ax.com...

> Nah. Was more fun sending emails to friends using as many words as
> possible. Especially when the emails were going to people in Defence and
> Police. Never got a rise which was a bit disappointing :)

Try sending emails with Ricin and bomb recipes, and see if you get any
interest !

geoff

[geopelia]

"Dave Doe" <ha...@work.ok> wrote in message
news:MPG.2c19ffa1...@news.eternal-september.org...

That doesn't worry me.
I'm amazed how many of my old newsgroup messages have ended up on Google.

[Bruce Sinclair]

.. so SPAM by definition then. :)

[Pooh]

"geoff" <ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> wrote in message
news:Lp-dncgNR59gOTLM...@giganews.com...

No! The security services know to much about me as it is :)

Pooh

[Dave Doe]

In article <koocre$li9$1...@dont-email.me>, geop...@nowhere.com, geopelia
says...

They will be on *all* Usenet servers that carry the .nz groups.

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[geopelia]

"Bruce Sinclair" <bruce.s...@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz> wrote
in message news:kook7j$pi4$4...@dont-email.me...

Can we still say which supermarket or garden centre we prefer?
Or would that be considered spam?

[Dave Doe]

In article <kop8nl$t5r$1...@dont-email.me>, geop...@nowhere.com, geopelia
says...

Do you get much spam?

If not, opt out! :)

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[geopelia]

"Dave Doe" <ha...@work.ok> wrote in message

news:MPG.2c1b2a1ad...@news.eternal-september.org...

I get a reasonable amount. One firm wanted "my firm" to buy their sheet
metal and heavy construction stuff.
Looks good too, if I was in that line of work. How they got me is a mystery!
And of course people want to give me millions of dollars.

It isn't enough spam to worry me.

[Bruce Sinclair]

In article <kop8nl$t5r$1...@dont-email.me>, "geopelia" <geop...@nowhere.com> wrote:
(snip)

>Can we still say which supermarket or garden centre we prefer?
>Or would that be considered spam?

*We* can say what we like when we like (still, thankfully :) ). It's when
*they* send ads/emails/rubbish/anything without first asking if you want
them that's spam. Yes, adding people to opt out lists of any sort is spam,
by definition. :)

[geopelia]

"Bruce Sinclair" <bruce.s...@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz> wrote
in message news:kp37og$4vv$1...@dont-email.me...

It looks at though private emails are going to join the newsgroups, for
anyone to be able to read them.
I think the Americans do already.

[Bruce Sinclair]

Email has *never* been "private" (as Peter Dunn is discovering :) ) by the
nature of the system used to distribute them. Given the sender and the
receiver often/usually have regular back ups as well (including emails), the
idea that emails can be "secret" is really an amazing misconception. :) :)

[EMB]

On 11/06/2013 1:28 p.m., Frank Williams wrote:

> Yes its even going to get worse if NZ joins the Trade Agreement with the
> US, that means good by all your wrights as wee will end up being one of
> the New US states.
>
>
> Funny how we don't here a thing about Eastern Samoa.
>
And in parsable English please Woger.

[geopelia]

"EMB" <emb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kp704o$nmi$1...@news.datemas.de...

We'll all be using American spelling soon!

[Allistar]

We already do to some degree, but luckily we mostly stick with "normal"
english.
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A.

[Bruce Sinclair]

What gives you any hope that this request is even possible for him ?
Nothing I've seen from him suggests it is. :)

[Bruce Sinclair]

:) The USA doesn't get much right, but sadly, spelling is often one of them
(eg center; theater).

Now, if we could just update spelling of some other words for clarity
and ease of use for non native (yes, and many native :) ) speakers ... eg
..
wimin
enuff
nife

:) :)