How do you stop AVG?
~misfit~
the right to do what they like with your PC.
I'm trying to re-apply a patch that raises the limit on half-open
connections (from 10 to 50) in XP after installing SP3. It's something I've
been using for years that speeds up torrenting.
However, after having it sitting ignored in my downloads folder for a long
time, one day AVG decided that it's a virus, or malware*. Now I can't run
the programme. Why you ask? I can't kill AVG!!! I can click the icon in
systray and hit exit. However, when I open taskmanager there are still
several processes running that start with avg. When I highlight those and
try to stop them they instantly start again. I just spent 10 minutes trying
to exit all AVG processes and then, when going to AVG in the start menu it
seems I was only able to stop the "Resident Shield". "Anti Virus" is still
active!
I don't want to have to uninstall the whole programme, then re-install and
update just to do this one thing, I just want to turn it off for a couple
minutes.
<tearing what's left of my hair out here>
Any ideas how I can stop AVG? I've killed off (or attempted to) everything
that starts with 'avg' in Task manager and yet there are still 5 processes
that re-started the second I stopped them (and one that wouldn't stop). I
have two 'avgrsx.exe's running at the moment, (both belonging to "SYSTEM",)
one using 6 MB RAM, the other 7. I also have avgwdsvc.exe, avgemc.exe and
avgui.exe running. Even as administrator I can't stop these processes.
*Malware? I'm getting increasingly annoyed at software companies using "AV"
software as a policing tool for their products. I've had 'cracks' or tools
for tweaking the innards of XP or other programmes on my HDD, for a long
time in some cases, suddenly be classed as a virus or a trojan and deleted
or not allowed to run by 'AV' software. It's like (and probably is) the
software companies involved are getting these applets included in global
definitions files that AV companies use, often to protect their own products
rather than protect the user from malware.
When does an AV programme stop being a tool to protect YOU and start being
am extension of DRM or a policing programme, to protect software companies?
Do software companies pay AV companies to have patches or cracks listed as
'trojans' or malware? Why can't I use this little applet to change the
half-open connections limit on my machine rather than have to learn how to
edit the registry?
<shakes head>
Cheers,
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~misfit~
> In article <48682115$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>, misfi...@hooya.com.au
> says...
>> Mother of God, Grisoft seem to think that, if you install AVG, you
>> give them the right to do what they like with your PC.
>>
>> I'm trying to re-apply a patch that raises the limit on half-open
>> connections (from 10 to 50) in XP after installing SP3. It's
>> something I've been using for years that speeds up torrenting.
>>
>> http://www.lvllord.de/
>>
>> However, after having it sitting ignored in my downloads folder for
>> a long time, one day AVG decided that it's a virus, or malware*. Now
>> I can't run the programme. Why you ask? I can't kill AVG!!! I can
>> click the icon in systray and hit exit. However, when I open
>> taskmanager there are still several processes running that start
>> with avg. When I highlight those and try to stop them they instantly
>> start again. I just spent 10 minutes trying to exit all AVG
>> processes and then, when going to AVG in the start menu it seems I
>> was only able to stop the "Resident Shield". "Anti Virus" is still
>> active!
>
It re-starts instantly.
> But anyway, why not just wait a day - the new definitions out
> 'tomorrow' will probably let your program run (again).
>
> (That's what I've found for most false positives. You can report it
> to AVG if you want too - just in case you're the first to do so.)
Ye Gods!!
After nearly on hour registering, waiting for the confirmation email (they
tell you to whitelist a different address than the one the confirmation ends
up coming from) and searching the site I've been unable to find out how to
report false positives.
Anyway, I'll go back to the forums as I saw a thread about stopping AVG
somewhere there... (If I can only find it again..)
Malcolm
Hi Shaun
Running msconfig should give you the ability to disable them all, you
will need to restart though...
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SLED 10.0 SP2 x86_64 Kernel 2.6.16.60-0.23-smp
up 18 days 21:35, 0 users, load average: 0.50, 0.32, 0.17
GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - Driver Version: 173.14.09
~misfit~
Hi Malcolm,
Thanks, I may give it a try. FFS it shouldn't be this hard though should it?
Hope you're well,
~misfit~
> http://www.diamondcs.com.au/advancedseries/apt.php
Hehee! I'll give it a try later, thanks. :-)
~misfit~
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:56:04 +1200, "~misfit~"
> <misfi...@hooya.com.au> wrote:
>
> http://www.diamondcs.com.au/advancedseries/apt.php
LOL, that proggy has 12 different levels of killing a process, 2 more for
'kernel kill' and another 2 for 'crash'. I tried them all, none of them are
able to stop avgrsx.exe!
Thanks for that, certainly an education. AVG really take control of the
computer away from the user.
~misfit~
> says...
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Dave Doe" typed:
>>> In article <48682115$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>, misfi...@hooya.com.au
>>> says...
>>>> Mother of God, Grisoft seem to think that, if you install AVG, you
>>>> give them the right to do what they like with your PC.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to re-apply a patch that raises the limit on half-open
>>>> connections (from 10 to 50) in XP after installing SP3. It's
>>>> something I've been using for years that speeds up torrenting.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.lvllord.de/
>>>>
>>>> However, after having it sitting ignored in my downloads folder for
>>>> a long time, one day AVG decided that it's a virus, or malware*.
>>>> Now I can't run the programme. Why you ask? I can't kill AVG!!! I
>>>> can click the icon in systray and hit exit. However, when I open
>>>> taskmanager there are still several processes running that start
>>>> with avg. When I highlight those and try to stop them they
>>>> instantly start again. I just spent 10 minutes trying to exit all
>>>> AVG processes and then, when going to AVG in the start menu it
>>>> seems I was only able to stop the "Resident Shield". "Anti Virus"
>>>> is still active!
>>>
>>> It's probably the AVG service that you need to stop.
>>
>> It re-starts instantly.
>
Hi there. I don't seem to have that option. I guess there are ways of
stopping it that involve re-starting the PC. I'm just amazed that I can't
simply kill the process' for a time, then re-start them.
Malcolm
"~misfit~" <misfi...@hooya.com.au> wrote:
<snip>
> > Running msconfig should give you the ability to disable them all,
> > you will need to restart though...
>
> Hi Malcolm,
>
> Thanks, I may give it a try. FFS it shouldn't be this hard though
> should it?
>
> Hope you're well,
Nope it shouldn't. I've never had that sort of an issue with AVG
yet....
Always hot here... averages around 32C every day at the moment and all
the wet weather seems to avoid this area. They always promise rain, but
it never happens...lol
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up 18 days 23:54, 0 users, load average: 0.34, 0.53, 0.39
Peter Huebner
misfi...@hooya.com.au says...
>
> LOL, that proggy has 12 different levels of killing a process, 2 more for
> 'kernel kill' and another 2 for 'crash'. I tried them all, none of them are
> able to stop avgrsx.exe!
>
> Thanks for that, certainly an education. AVG really take control of the
> computer away from the user.
> --
> Shaun.
Certainly a bloody nuissance that you can't turn it off
manually. At least it should give you the option to make an
exception for [that] program in question.
Certainly also a *good* sign that you can't do it with 3rd
party software, seeing as so much malware these days targets
virus scanners and the more popular firewalls, trying to
incapacitate them. I'd consider that side of it to be a job
well done.
my $00.02's worth :-P
-Peter
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Collector€NZ
then again you could go into the AVG control panel select tools advanced
and then go ito the PUP section (potentially unwanted programs) and set
an exception for the item giving you a hard time
Incidentally this is also where you can diasable Link scanning and do a
whole lot of other things.
I have found AVG (including free) to be quite comprehensive in what it
will allow you to configure
Enkidu
Cheers,
Cliff
--
Have you ever noticed that if something is advertised as 'amusing' or
'hilarious', it usually isn't?
Enkidu
Enkidu
the services. On my XP there are three of them.
Enkidu
running!
~misfit~
> manager? - services.msc (in the Start, Run dialog).
I wasn't but I've tried setting it to manual and stopping it but the
controls for stopping etc. are greyed out. :-(
~misfit~
And can you stop them Cliff? If so, pray tell how exactly?
~misfit~
> "~misfit~" <misfi...@hooya.com.au> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>> Running msconfig should give you the ability to disable them all,
>>> you will need to restart though...
>>
>> Hi Malcolm,
>>
>> Thanks, I may give it a try. FFS it shouldn't be this hard though
>> should it?
>>
>> Hope you're well,
>
> Nope it shouldn't. I've never had that sort of an issue with AVG
> yet....
Me either. <shrug>
> Always hot here... averages around 32C every day at the moment and all
> the wet weather seems to avoid this area. They always promise rain,
> but it never happens...lol
That'd be nice. Been bloody wet here, today was the first relatively fine
day for ages. I managed to get the towels dry. :-)
Cheers,
~misfit~
Thanks Collector, that worked just fine.
> Incidentally this is also where you can diasable Link scanning and do
> a whole lot of other things.
> I have found AVG (including free) to be quite comprehensive in what it
> will allow you to configure
Cheers,
~misfit~
> In article <4868...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>,
> misfi...@hooya.com.au says...
>>
>> LOL, that proggy has 12 different levels of killing a process, 2
>> more for 'kernel kill' and another 2 for 'crash'. I tried them all,
>> none of them are able to stop avgrsx.exe!
>>
>> Thanks for that, certainly an education. AVG really take control of
>> the computer away from the user.
>
> manually. At least it should give you the option to make an
> exception for [that] program in question.
Errrr.....
> Certainly also a *good* sign that you can't do it with 3rd
> party software, seeing as so much malware these days targets
> virus scanners and the more popular firewalls, trying to
> incapacitate them. I'd consider that side of it to be a job
> well done.
I would normally agree with you except this took me too much of my precious
time to get around. Collector's suggestion worked fine. (Exception.)
> my $00.02's worth :-P
You got change? I've only got this $0.10 coin...
Peter Huebner
misfi...@hooya.com.au says...
>
> I would normally agree with you except this took me too much of my precious
> time to get around. Collector's suggestion worked fine. (Exception.)
>
Funny, that post hasn't shown up here yet.
-P.
Peter Huebner
no....@this.address says...
> In article <4868b1fc$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>,
> misfi...@hooya.com.au says...
> >
> > I would normally agree with you except this took me too much of my precious
> > time to get around. Collector's suggestion worked fine. (Exception.)
> >
>
> Funny, that post hasn't shown up here yet.
>
> -P.
Belay that, he's now showing up as
=?windows-1252?Q?Collector=80NZ?
right. I wonder which part of his newsreader, or mine, is
responsible for that.
~misfit~
> no....@this.address says...
>> In article <4868b1fc$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>,
>> misfi...@hooya.com.au says...
>>>
>>> I would normally agree with you except this took me too much of my
>>> precious time to get around. Collector's suggestion worked fine.
>>> (Exception.)
>>>
>>
>> Funny, that post hasn't shown up here yet.
>>
>
>
> =?windows-1252?Q?Collector=80NZ?
>
> right. I wonder which part of his newsreader, or mine, is
> responsible for that.
Hmmm, I see his name with a Euro sign in it sometimes. I'm using OE with
Quotefix. I see that 'name' you have there in Message Source under 'From'
(but not in the newsgroup column. It seems he's (maybe) using Thunderbird on
Windows.
Maybe something between Thunderbird and Gravity is getting messed up?
Cheers,
~misfit~
>
> "How to stop AVG temporarily"
> http://www.grisoft.com/ww.faq.num-1064#faq_1064
Thanks for that. It's a rather complicated and time-consuming process to do
all that was listed and, when I did, there were still the usual suspects
running in Task manager. (In fact avgrsx.exe is now using 33 MB RAM instead
of the 6 or so yesterday.) I don't know if it would have fixed my specific
problem.
As some software asks that AV is shut off before install you'd think that
there might be a global "off switch" for AVG instead of having to jump
through all these hoops huh?
Enkidu
and Applications", "Services". Select the three AVG ones one by one and
click on the link to stop the service.
Enkidu
the next boot. If it is greyed out that means that you don't have
permissions - are you logged in as administrator?
~misfit~
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> The service is restarting the processes every time you kill them.
>>> Stop the services. On my XP there are three of them.
>>
>> And can you stop them Cliff? If so, pray tell how exactly?
>>
> Start -> Right Click "My Computer", select "Manage", select "Services
> and Applications", "Services". Select the three AVG ones one by one
> and click on the link to stop the service.
Hmm, AVG Watchdog has 'stop' greyed out...
I'll answer your other post.
~misfit~
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> controls for stopping etc. are greyed out. :-(
>>
> You don't need to set it to manual unless you don't want it to start
> at the next boot. If it is greyed out that means that you don't have
> permissions - are you logged in as administrator?
I'm logged in as "Yobbo" actually, but with full administrator's rights.
I've never struck anything else that I don't have permission to do before.
Enkidu
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Enkidu" typed:
>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> I wasn't but I've tried setting it to manual and stopping it but
>>> the controls for stopping etc. are greyed out. :-(
>>>
>> You don't need to set it to manual unless you don't want it to
>> start at the next boot. If it is greyed out that means that you
>> don't have permissions - are you logged in as administrator?
>
> I'm logged in as "Yobbo" actually, but with full administrator's
> rights. I've never struck anything else that I don't have permission
> to do before.
>
possible that it might come back after a reboot.
~misfit~
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Enkidu" typed:
>>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>> I wasn't but I've tried setting it to manual and stopping it but
>>>> the controls for stopping etc. are greyed out. :-(
>>>>
>>> You don't need to set it to manual unless you don't want it to
>>> start at the next boot. If it is greyed out that means that you
>>> don't have permissions - are you logged in as administrator?
>>
>> I'm logged in as "Yobbo" actually, but with full administrator's
>> rights. I've never struck anything else that I don't have permission
>> to do before.
>>
> Interesting. I fired up the old XP VM and tried it before I posted.
> It's possible that it might come back after a reboot.
I just had to reboot for an AVG core component upgrade. "AVG Watchdog" still
has "Stop" greyed out in services. :-(
Cheers Cliff.
~misfit~
> "~misfit~" <misfi...@hooya.com.au> wrote in
> news:48682115$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz:
>
>>
>> Mother of God, Grisoft seem to think that, if you install AVG, you
>> give them the right to do what they like with your PC.
>
Heh! Yeah, it's been a while since I looked at other free AV programmes. I
see that most sites and magazines are still recommending AVG though...
Cheers,
~misfit~
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:06:55 +1200, "~misfit~"
> <misfi...@hooya.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Keith" typed:
>>> In article <48682115$1...@news2.actrix.gen.nz>, misfi...@hooya.com.au
>>> says...
>>>
>>> This any good to you?
>>>
>>> "How to stop AVG temporarily"
>>> http://www.grisoft.com/ww.faq.num-1064#faq_1064
>>
>> Thanks for that. It's a rather complicated and time-consuming
>> process to do all that was listed and, when I did, there were still
>> the usual suspects running in Task manager. (In fact avgrsx.exe is
>> now using 33 MB RAM instead of the 6 or so yesterday.) I don't know
>> if it would have fixed my specific problem.
>>
>> As some software asks that AV is shut off before install you'd think
>> that there might be a global "off switch" for AVG instead of having
>> to jump through all these hoops huh?
>
I did try Avast for a while a year or so back. I didn't like it as much as
AVG, can't remember why now.
Shai...@gmail.com
1. Open Task Manager. Kill 'avgtray.exe'.
2. Start > Run, type in 'services.msc'.
3. Find the service 'AVG8 WatchDog'. Rightclick on it, hit Properties,
and set the StartUp Type option to Disabled (Not Manual).
4. Go back to Task Manager. End the process 'avgwdsvc.exe'. End the
process 'avgrsx.exe' (this process may take 10-20 seconds to end).
When you want to restart AVG8, follow these steps.
1. Click Start > Programs > AVG Free 8.0 > AVG Tray Icon.
2. Start > Run, type in 'services.msc'.
3. Find the service 'AVG8 WatchDog'. Rightclick on it, hit Properties,
and set the StartUp Type option to Automatic and start the service.
AVG 7.5 was so much simpler to use. Anyways, for a short explanation
of why this works, basically AVG8 runs three processes. Avgtray, which
is just the tray icon for convenient access to the User Interface,
Avgwdsvc (AVG WatchDog Service), and AVGRSX (no idea what it is, but
it's probably important). The one you're most concerned with is
Avgwdsvc, as it seems to be the underpinning of the entire
functionality of the program. If the process is killed, you can still
run the AVG User Interface, but it will show you a message along the
lines of "No Components Active" or something, and all the components
such as LinkScanner (useless!), Update Manager, Licensing, Resident
Shield etc. will be missing. You can't kill Avgwdsvc from the Task
Manager, because it protects itself by autorestarting. You can't stop
Avgwdsvc from the services menu because the 'stop' button is greyed
out as more protection. So what you have to do is set it to Disabled
(the reason why it's not Manual is because manual is finicky. You can
try manual if you want, but it's not as straightforward as disabled)
and end the process from Task Manager. Now that the service is
disabled, it can't autorestart itself and this kills both the process
and the service. Then just end the process avgrsx, wait for it to
disappear, and you're done. When you want to use AVG8 again, remember
to go back into services and set it back to automatic and start the
process, otherwise you'll have an empty shell of a antivirus kit with
no functions inside it. I almost got rid of AVG8 because it's so
difficult to deal with until I figured out a way to do it without
restarting. Anyways, the process above should work, have fun with it.
~misfit~
Thanks heaps for that, I've put it in my 'saved' folder. I hardly ever have
to stop AVG but, as you say, it's gotten a lot harder with ver. 8.
Cheers,