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Lawrence DąOliveiro

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May 26, 2005, 7:02:47 AM5/26/05
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Just picked up the May 23 issue of Time magazine, which has a feature on
the new XBox. Bill Gates' face is so lined, he looks like a man in his
60s. He seems a bit thin, too. What's he been doing to himself?

Harry

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May 26, 2005, 7:10:49 AM5/26/05
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Lawrence DąOliveiro wrote:

He has become old. Being rich does not keep cancer, senility,
Parkinsons, or numerous other degenerative diseases at bay.
One day it might, but not today.

Too many Big Macs is probably the real reason for the premature aging.
Too many Linuxs too?

thing

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May 26, 2005, 5:38:41 PM5/26/05
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I noticed this....interesting that the figurehead of MS looks so old,
suggests its products are old and staid as well...

Whatever MS's spin doctors say, anyone can see MS is under heavy and
increasing pressure from all sides. It is in effect fighting for its
"life" which is compounded by its need to constantly grow (and possibly
accelerate that growth) and not just sit there and rake it in.

Linux has to be a huge worry for MS, its infesting new markets at lower
price points than MS can. Linux's commodity nature means no nice new
cash cows for MS, it has to be happy with margins like the rest of the
IT/tellecoms industry but its not geared for that.

So I think I'd have a few lines as well....

regards

Thing

Chris Wilkinson

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May 26, 2005, 6:51:46 PM5/26/05
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Hi there,

Oh, the usual....plotting to take over the world via patenting every
known thought, so that everytime we think we owe him a license fee...

The patenting drama, the OSS threat, the continual security problems
Windows has, and all the other big players seem out to get MS...its
not surprising to me to see Bill looking like that, but with his way
of running his monolithic tyrannical empire what else can he expect?

Take the dual-shock controller debacle...Immersion, a company who had
been granted a patent for 'tactile response' devices, or something as
vague, took MS and Sony to court. MS payed out of court to the tune of
$26 million, then took a 10% share in Immersion. Sony stood up for its
rights, and let the courts decide. Only issue was that as soon as MS
took up the 10% share in Immersion they helped up the campaign against
Sony, since they now had a share in Immersion.

How fucking rotten are they? They and Sony are BOTH taken to court for
the same thing, so they squeal out of court, take a 10% share in the
prosecuting client, then turn on Sony...all it will do is hurt the
gaming industry and themselves, for Sony PS3 looks to have majority
support from the gamers, and will likely mop the floor with the new
XBox...

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Nova

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May 26, 2005, 8:40:05 PM5/26/05
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Yep well earned lines I guess, hes done pretty well for himself :) and
it's no secret he's a bit of a workaholic, just the ageing process at work.

Ashame he's not the type of person that can just kick back and enjoy his
wealth.

Dave - Dave.net.nz

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May 26, 2005, 8:42:40 PM5/26/05
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Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> for Sony PS3 looks to have majority
> support from the gamers, and will likely mop the floor with the new
> XBox...

interesting comments on two un-released products.

Nik Coughin

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May 26, 2005, 9:49:42 PM5/26/05
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But backed up by comments from game developers lately, including Midway.
The titles available make the machine.


Nova

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May 26, 2005, 9:54:25 PM5/26/05
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I doubt sony would consider losing what is it 20%? of the market share
to xbox a mopping of the floor..

and it doesnt look like xbox is only aimed at being a games console, but
rather a media centre, will be interesting to see how things turn out.

Chris Wilkinson

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May 27, 2005, 12:59:47 AM5/27/05
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Hi there,

A comment based on forum discussion about the 2 consoles, which
seems to lean towards gamers showing bias towards eventually
getting the PS3

Sony has shown very well that the solid, but 'lesser' spec of the
PS2, meant nothing when it came to putting consoles and games into
homes, which they have done with greater success than MS...

steve

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May 27, 2005, 6:05:16 AM5/27/05
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It may prove to a DRM-crippled media centre.....if not now then soon.

You'd want to be very careful about investing in tools if someone else
is dictating how you may use them.

Nova

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May 27, 2005, 6:16:22 PM5/27/05
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Yes you are right, _I_ would, but would the average consumer? that
probably has no idea what DRM is? Two completely different things.

I do however like the idea, of being able to buy this xbox and stream
videos etc wirelessly from other pc's in the house to my tv. That for
me would be a big selling point. I am pretty sure others would feel the
same way over a feature like that. I think it's a pretty smart move by
MS.

I will wait and see what kind of MOD chips arrive for this new xbox and
what kind of restrictions are on this xbox and of coruse for the price
to drop to a reasonable level heh.

Bruce Knox

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May 28, 2005, 2:17:32 AM5/28/05
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How old is he then?
Older than me so probably in his 50's. I would not be suprised if he
was pushing 60.

Bruce.

Nicolaas Hawkins

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May 28, 2005, 3:45:37 AM5/28/05
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 18:17:32 +1200, Bruce Knox <br...@baggins.co.co.nz.nz>
wrote in <news:l33g91p1pansmn74n...@4ax.com>:

Think about it. Nobody is young forever - or looks it. Maybe he looks
his age because he is Bill Gates, human being and not Peter fucking Pan,
fairytale character.

<SHEESH>


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voices? Because that's ALL they have.

steve

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May 28, 2005, 5:13:52 AM5/28/05
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Nova wrote:

> I do however like the idea, of being able to buy this xbox and stream
> videos etc wirelessly from other pc's in the house to my tv. That for
> me would be a big selling point. I am pretty sure others would feel the
> same way over a feature like that. I think it's a pretty smart move by MS.

But its been possible for years.

In 1999 I was connecting my 20" TV to a PC via the TV-out plug and then
playing VCDs over the network from the CD drive in another room.

It wan't hard, either.......point and click to a file on a shared (cd)
drive.

Nova

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May 28, 2005, 5:25:38 AM5/28/05
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You are missing the point, people dont usually have their pc's next to
the main tv in the lounge, they do however probably have their game
console out there.

Robert Cooze

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May 28, 2005, 2:58:40 PM5/28/05
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Nicolaas Hawkins wrote:
> On Sat, 28 May 2005 18:17:32 +1200, Bruce Knox <br...@baggins.co.co.nz.nz>
> wrote in <news:l33g91p1pansmn74n...@4ax.com>:
>
>
>>On Thu, 26 May 2005 23:02:47 +1200, Lawrence DąOliveiro
>><l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Just picked up the May 23 issue of Time magazine, which has a feature on
>>>the new XBox. Bill Gates' face is so lined, he looks like a man in his
>>>60s. He seems a bit thin, too. What's he been doing to himself?
>>
>>How old is he then?
>>Older than me so probably in his 50's. I would not be suprised if he
>>was pushing 60.
>>
>>Bruce.
>
>
> Think about it. Nobody is young forever - or looks it. Maybe he looks
> his age because he is Bill Gates, human being and not Peter fucking Pan,
> fairytale character.
>
> <SHEESH>
>
>
Rule of Life

You Get Born
You Live
You Die

or helth the slowest rate of diying.

and you start with Nothing ans finish with nothing.

Now just how old is Gates? I dont know but he was way older than me.
Some times the stress of running a big bussness causes one to looked
aged mabey the PR dept has mad him look old (woo and cham the coustomers).

but from what I have seen it is proberly just a natural effect of real;
aging all of the photos I have seen of Gates seem to be natural even to
the point of not waring very expencive cloths.

Just my two cents worth

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Jerry

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May 28, 2005, 4:33:02 PM5/28/05
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Bill Gates was born 28 October, 1955, so he will turn 50 this year.

~misfit~

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May 28, 2005, 8:45:34 PM5/28/05
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So he's about 6 years older than me but looks about 20 years older. Man, am
I glad I don't make a billion dollars a day if that's what it does to you.

Or not. ;-)
--
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Jerry

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May 29, 2005, 3:02:44 AM5/29/05
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He is 10 years younger than me, but I wonder how much damage it could do
if I could make a billion dollars for just one day.

Jerry

MarkH

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May 29, 2005, 7:30:03 AM5/29/05
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"~misfit~" <misfi...@hooya.co.nz> wrote in
news:d7cd6s...@fairground.synaptic.net.nz:

>> Bill Gates was born 28 October, 1955, so he will turn 50 this year.
>
> So he's about 6 years older than me but looks about 20 years older.
> Man, am I glad I don't make a billion dollars a day if that's what it
> does to you.

A billion a day? I don't think so. Neither Bill nor MS make a billion a
day.


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~misfit~

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May 29, 2005, 11:14:47 PM5/29/05
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MarkH wrote:
> "~misfit~" <misfi...@hooya.co.nz> wrote in
> news:d7cd6s...@fairground.synaptic.net.nz:
>
>>> Bill Gates was born 28 October, 1955, so he will turn 50 this year.
>>
>> So he's about 6 years older than me but looks about 20 years older.
>> Man, am I glad I don't make a billion dollars a day if that's what it
>> does to you.
>
> A billion a day? I don't think so. Neither Bill nor MS make a
> billion a day.

It was a figure I pulled out of the air. For all intents and purposes,
compared to my income, it might as well be.
--
~misfit~


Bruce Sinclair

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May 29, 2005, 10:16:37 PM5/29/05
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IIRC he pays himself $500k/year. Then, of course, there is his stock
holdings :)

Bruce


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Chris Wilkinson

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May 29, 2005, 11:33:18 PM5/29/05
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Hi there,

MarkH wrote:
> "~misfit~" <misfi...@hooya.co.nz> wrote in
> news:d7cd6s...@fairground.synaptic.net.nz:
>
>
>>>Bill Gates was born 28 October, 1955, so he will turn 50 this year.
>>
>>So he's about 6 years older than me but looks about 20 years older.
>>Man, am I glad I don't make a billion dollars a day if that's what it
>>does to you.
>
>
> A billion a day? I don't think so. Neither Bill nor MS make a billion a
> day.

I'd be happy earning 1% of Bill Gates income, but only if it were
earned through a more socially responsible endeavour...

PAM.

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May 29, 2005, 11:44:40 PM5/29/05
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"Chris Wilkinson" <blob...@SPAMOFF.con> wrote in message

> I'd be happy earning 1% of Bill Gates income, but only if it were
> earned through a more socially responsible endeavour...

There was a "joke calculator" on the 'net somewhere comparing your yearly
salary and how many seconds it takes Bill Gates to earn it.

PAM.


michael

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May 30, 2005, 12:23:04 AM5/30/05
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The other thing is alot of photos you see of him in the press
are really old ones.
I notice this alot and think it must be done on purpose
to push a young image of him and MS.

Dave - Dave.net.nz

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May 30, 2005, 12:29:08 AM5/30/05
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like Mr Norton who had all of the product shots done (10-12?)years ago.

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Chris Wilkinson

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May 30, 2005, 6:39:48 PM5/30/05
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Hi there,

FreedomChooser wrote:


> On Mon, 30 May 2005 13:33:18 +1000, Chris Wilkinson
> <blob...@SPAMOFF.con> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>MarkH wrote:
>>
>>>"~misfit~" <misfi...@hooya.co.nz> wrote in
>>>news:d7cd6s...@fairground.synaptic.net.nz:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Bill Gates was born 28 October, 1955, so he will turn 50 this year.
>>>>
>>>>So he's about 6 years older than me but looks about 20 years older.
>>>>Man, am I glad I don't make a billion dollars a day if that's what it
>>>>does to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>A billion a day? I don't think so. Neither Bill nor MS make a billion a
>>>day.
>>
>>I'd be happy earning 1% of Bill Gates income, but only if it were
>>earned through a more socially responsible endeavour...
>
>

> What is "social responsibbility"?
> Political correctness

I think you know the answer, but just to enlighten you...

MS are a ruthless monolithic tyrant of an organisation who
will stop at nothing to gain complete control over the world
of computing, at whatever cost.

Here are some current 'lowlights' of this company...

- software patenting...
- threats to govts in asia re OSS...
- false advertising about TCO in the UK, as concurred by
the advertising standards board over there...
- the list could go on...

For those of us who simply want to get on with the job of using
our PC's with non-MS software, it becomes more and more difficult
to do so with OSS vendors being threatened because their software
uses some software 'idea' that is patented. The credibility of most
of the patents is at best flaky...

MS is losing credibility, which is evidenced by their current agenda.
Rather than attracting support based on the strength of their OS and
other products, they are resorting to underhand tactics to make it
difficult for people using and writing OSS software to get by, as OSS
is where they perceive (and rightly so) their biggest 'threat' to come
from...

I simply could not be bothered operating a company like that. I'd
rather focus on getting my OS right...

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Chris Wilkinson

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May 31, 2005, 12:42:19 AM5/31/05
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Hi there,

FreedomChooser wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 08:39:48 +1000, Chris Wilkinson


> <blob...@SPAMOFF.con> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>FreedomChooser wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 May 2005 13:33:18 +1000, Chris Wilkinson
>>><blob...@SPAMOFF.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>
>>>>MarkH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"~misfit~" <misfi...@hooya.co.nz> wrote in
>>>>>news:d7cd6s...@fairground.synaptic.net.nz:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill Gates was born 28 October, 1955, so he will turn 50 this year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So he's about 6 years older than me but looks about 20 years older.
>>>>>>Man, am I glad I don't make a billion dollars a day if that's what it
>>>>>>does to you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>A billion a day? I don't think so. Neither Bill nor MS make a billion a
>>>>>day.
>>>>
>>>>I'd be happy earning 1% of Bill Gates income, but only if it were
>>>>earned through a more socially responsible endeavour...
>>>
>>>
>>>What is "social responsibbility"?
>>>Political correctness
>>
>>I think you know the answer, but just to enlighten you...
>
>

> I can see already you are a socialist with an obvious political agenda
> Most of the Linux fans are hard core socialists

I'm not a socialist or a liberal or a conservative or anything
you care to call me. I just think people should be allowed the
freedom to choose their path, without companies the ilk of MS
making it difficult to get anything done on pathes other than
their own...

>>MS are a ruthless monolithic tyrant of an organisation who
>>will stop at nothing to gain complete control over the world
>>of computing, at whatever cost.
>
>

> Before them it was IBM
> MS is the current bogeyman
> Who will it be in the future

Who knows?

>>Here are some current 'lowlights' of this company...
>>
>>- software patenting...
>
>

> IBM Apple and others hold huge stockpiles of software patents

Correct. IBM and Sun are freeing up hundreds of these patents
to the community, as a reflection that the rampant patenting
will be counterproductive to ongoing development of software in
both OSS and proprietary camps...

>>- threats to govts in asia re OSS...
>

> Exactly what are these threats

http://www.computerbuyer.co.uk/buyer/news/hot-topics/66121/ballmers-asian-ip-warning-set-to-backfire.html

>>- false advertising about TCO in the UK, as concurred by
>> the advertising standards board over there...
>

> An agency of a socialist government makes some claims about a private
> business. Obvious political agenda

MS claimed Linux costs more to run, but conducted its tests on
completely different hardware (IBM z900 mainframe running Linux
vs. desktop Xeon running WinServer). A fair comparison would be
running the 2 OS's on identical hardware. It has *nothing* to do
with socialism...

>>- the list could go on...
>

> Obviously it doesnt

I don't have the time of day to list every grievance against
MS. No one person probably would...

>>For those of us who simply want to get on with the job of using
>>our PC's with non-MS software, it becomes more and more difficult
>>to do so with OSS vendors being threatened because their software
>>uses some software 'idea' that is patented. The credibility of most
>>of the patents is at best flaky...
>

> Some may be
> But you see Windows was licensed off a patent held by Apple Computer
> for example

Probably long since paid for by MS.

>>MS is losing credibility, which is evidenced by their current agenda.
>>Rather than attracting support based on the strength of their OS and
>>other products, they are resorting to underhand tactics to make it
>>difficult for people using and writing OSS software to get by, as OSS
>>is where they perceive (and rightly so) their biggest 'threat' to come
>>from...
>
>

> MS is doing business in the capitalist world
> Captialism happens to be anathema to many in the Linux world

Not always. We all need money to clothe and eat and put roof over
head, but there is a difference between mere capitalism, and the
debased monolithic 'control by exclusion' policies of MS...

> And we also have OSS being used to undermine copyright and other IPRs

I agree. I have a few 'questionable' pieces of software. Mostly they
allow me to view or hear media like wmv's or mp3's...the media is
freely downloadable from the net, yet the 'right' to play it is
exclusive to certain playback software licensed on certain platforms,
Linux not being one of them...

If I can download a video clip free, why cannot I play that clip using
technology available 'free' to all, regardless of their OS?

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shannon

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May 31, 2005, 2:41:46 AM5/31/05
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FreedomChooser wrote:

> On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:42:19 +1000, Chris Wilkinson

> So you claim to be apolitical
> How novel


>
>
>>>>MS are a ruthless monolithic tyrant of an organisation who
>>>>will stop at nothing to gain complete control over the world
>>>>of computing, at whatever cost.
>>>
>>>
>>>Before them it was IBM
>>>MS is the current bogeyman
>>>Who will it be in the future
>>
>>Who knows?
>>
>>
>>>>Here are some current 'lowlights' of this company...
>>>>
>>>>- software patenting...
>>>
>>>
>>>IBM Apple and others hold huge stockpiles of software patents
>>
>>Correct. IBM and Sun are freeing up hundreds of these patents
>>to the community, as a reflection that the rampant patenting
>>will be counterproductive to ongoing development of software in
>>both OSS and proprietary camps...
>
>

> Can you detail exactly how Sun and IBM are "freeing up" these patents
>
> Are they doing so by issuing royalty free licenses that can be revoked
> at any time.


>
>
>>>>- threats to govts in asia re OSS...
>>>
>>>Exactly what are these threats
>>
>>http://www.computerbuyer.co.uk/buyer/news/hot-topics/66121/ballmers-asian-ip-warning-set-to-backfire.html
>>
>>
>>>>- false advertising about TCO in the UK, as concurred by
>>>> the advertising standards board over there...
>>>
>>>An agency of a socialist government makes some claims about a private
>>>business. Obvious political agenda
>>
>>MS claimed Linux costs more to run, but conducted its tests on
>>completely different hardware (IBM z900 mainframe running Linux
>>vs. desktop Xeon running WinServer). A fair comparison would be
>>running the 2 OS's on identical hardware. It has *nothing* to do
>>with socialism...
>
>

> Did the article claim the hardware cost had anything to do with TCO
> So far I havent seen this mentioned in any of the allegations against
> MS


>
>
>>>>For those of us who simply want to get on with the job of using
>>>>our PC's with non-MS software, it becomes more and more difficult
>>>>to do so with OSS vendors being threatened because their software
>>>>uses some software 'idea' that is patented. The credibility of most
>>>>of the patents is at best flaky...
>>>
>>>Some may be
>>>But you see Windows was licensed off a patent held by Apple Computer
>>>for example
>>
>>Probably long since paid for by MS.
>
>

> Or it expired
> As all patents do eventually


>
>
>>>>MS is losing credibility, which is evidenced by their current agenda.
>>>>Rather than attracting support based on the strength of their OS and
>>>>other products, they are resorting to underhand tactics to make it
>>>>difficult for people using and writing OSS software to get by, as OSS
>>>>is where they perceive (and rightly so) their biggest 'threat' to come
>>>>from...
>>>
>>>
>>>MS is doing business in the capitalist world
>>>Captialism happens to be anathema to many in the Linux world
>>
>>Not always. We all need money to clothe and eat and put roof over
>>head, but there is a difference between mere capitalism, and the
>>debased monolithic 'control by exclusion' policies of MS...
>>
>>
>>>And we also have OSS being used to undermine copyright and other IPRs
>>
>>I agree. I have a few 'questionable' pieces of software. Mostly they
>>allow me to view or hear media like wmv's or mp3's...the media is
>>freely downloadable from the net, yet the 'right' to play it is
>>exclusive to certain playback software licensed on certain platforms,
>>Linux not being one of them...
>
>

> Fraunhofer have proprietary rights in MP3 for example
> It has nothing to do with the platform in use
> The fact you can get free software in Linux that illegally circumvents
> Fraunhofers patents is irrelevant to that fact
>

Illegal where ?
Their software patents are not recognised in many countries.

Chris Wilkinson

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May 31, 2005, 9:29:53 PM5/31/05
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Hi there,

FreedomChooser wrote:


> On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:42:19 +1000, Chris Wilkinson
> <blob...@SPAMOFF.con> wrote:
>
>>>>>>I'd be happy earning 1% of Bill Gates income, but only if it were
>>>>>>earned through a more socially responsible endeavour...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What is "social responsibbility"?
>>>>>Political correctness
>>>>
>>>>I think you know the answer, but just to enlighten you...
>>>
>>>
>>>I can see already you are a socialist with an obvious political agenda
>>>Most of the Linux fans are hard core socialists
>>
>>I'm not a socialist or a liberal or a conservative or anything
>>you care to call me. I just think people should be allowed the
>>freedom to choose their path, without companies the ilk of MS
>>making it difficult to get anything done on pathes other than
>>their own...
>
>

> So you claim to be apolitical
> How novel

Non-political is more close. I don't trust politics of any leaning...

>>>>- software patenting...
>>>
>>>
>>>IBM Apple and others hold huge stockpiles of software patents
>>
>>Correct. IBM and Sun are freeing up hundreds of these patents
>>to the community, as a reflection that the rampant patenting
>>will be counterproductive to ongoing development of software in
>>both OSS and proprietary camps...
>

> Can you detail exactly how Sun and IBM are "freeing up" these patents
>
> Are they doing so by issuing royalty free licenses that can be revoked
> at any time.

Yes the licenses are royalty free, so that OSS devs don't have to get
up to their necks in the legal quagmire that is patent law...

http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2005-01-13-a.html

>>>>- threats to govts in asia re OSS...
>>>
>>>Exactly what are these threats
>>
>>http://www.computerbuyer.co.uk/buyer/news/hot-topics/66121/ballmers-asian-ip-warning-set-to-backfire.html
>>
>>
>>>>- false advertising about TCO in the UK, as concurred by
>>>> the advertising standards board over there...
>>>
>>>An agency of a socialist government makes some claims about a private
>>>business. Obvious political agenda
>>
>>MS claimed Linux costs more to run, but conducted its tests on
>>completely different hardware (IBM z900 mainframe running Linux
>>vs. desktop Xeon running WinServer). A fair comparison would be
>>running the 2 OS's on identical hardware. It has *nothing* to do
>>with socialism...
>

> Did the article claim the hardware cost had anything to do with TCO
> So far I havent seen this mentioned in any of the allegations against
> MS

Hardware cost is a part of the TCO, because T as in TCO stands for
'total'...its not difficult...

>>>>For those of us who simply want to get on with the job of using
>>>>our PC's with non-MS software, it becomes more and more difficult
>>>>to do so with OSS vendors being threatened because their software
>>>>uses some software 'idea' that is patented. The credibility of most
>>>>of the patents is at best flaky...
>>>
>>>Some may be
>>>But you see Windows was licensed off a patent held by Apple Computer
>>>for example
>>
>>Probably long since paid for by MS.
>
>

> Or it expired
> As all patents do eventually
>
>

>>>>MS is losing credibility, which is evidenced by their current agenda.
>>>>Rather than attracting support based on the strength of their OS and
>>>>other products, they are resorting to underhand tactics to make it
>>>>difficult for people using and writing OSS software to get by, as OSS
>>>>is where they perceive (and rightly so) their biggest 'threat' to come
>>>>from...
>>>
>>>
>>>MS is doing business in the capitalist world
>>>Captialism happens to be anathema to many in the Linux world
>>
>>Not always. We all need money to clothe and eat and put roof over
>>head, but there is a difference between mere capitalism, and the
>>debased monolithic 'control by exclusion' policies of MS...
>>
>>
>>>And we also have OSS being used to undermine copyright and other IPRs

The patent agenda is being used to undermine OSS, and infact any small
player that cannot afford to cough up the dollars for licences...its
domination by exclusion...

>>I agree. I have a few 'questionable' pieces of software. Mostly they
>>allow me to view or hear media like wmv's or mp3's...the media is
>>freely downloadable from the net, yet the 'right' to play it is
>>exclusive to certain playback software licensed on certain platforms,
>>Linux not being one of them...
>
>

> Fraunhofer have proprietary rights in MP3 for example
> It has nothing to do with the platform in use
> The fact you can get free software in Linux that illegally circumvents
> Fraunhofers patents is irrelevant to that fact

Quite right, but why are some distros not including MP3 or other
fringe IP in their distros? Because they do not want to fuck around
in court defending patent infringement lawsuits.

Its not capitalism on the part of the big USA corporates mostly at
the core of this, its outright greed and a direct attack on those
who simply want an alternative to their agenda...

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Chris Wilkinson

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Jun 2, 2005, 5:50:24 PM6/2/05
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Hi there,

FreedomChooser wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:29:53 +1000, Chris Wilkinson

> OK
> So there is still a patent license
> How do you know IBM won't move to charging royalties on their licenses
> in the future

I don't, but its all speculation until it happens (if it ever does).
The royalty free release of the 500 from IBM and 1600 from Sun is
a positive thing in the meantime...something OSS devs should make the
most of...

teeran...@gmail.com

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Jan 7, 2015, 9:22:03 PM1/7/15
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On Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:02:47 AM UTC-7, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote:
> Just picked up the May 23 issue of Time magazine, which has a feature on
> the new XBox. Bill Gates' face is so lined, he looks like a man in his
> 60s. He seems a bit thin, too. What's he been doing to himself?

This is an old post, but I recently began thinking the same thing. He is not as old as he looks. With the very full schedule that he lives, I think it may be taking a toll on him. He is a wonderful man, and I hope he lives to be a hundred. Of all the top-richest people, he is clearly the most concerned about making a difference for the better..so that people could be happy that Bill passed their way.

Avon

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Jan 7, 2015, 10:27:33 PM1/7/15
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On 01/07/15, teeran...@gmail.com pondered and said...

te> This is an old post, but I recently began thinking the same thing.
te> He is
te> not as old as he looks. With the very full schedule that he lives,
te> I
te> think it may be taking a toll on him. He is a wonderful man, and I
te> hope
te> he lives to be a hundred. Of all the top-
te> richest people, he is clearly the most concerned about making a
te> difference for the better..so that people could be happy that Bill
te> passed their way.


Yes he does look old, but then again he is :-)

I saw him recently on a cable news channel giving an interview and you
could
tell the focus of his life now was firmly on the foundation he and his
wife
run. Not sure how successfull some of the things they have been funding
have
been but you can't fault them for trying.

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geoff

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Jan 8, 2015, 3:27:11 PM1/8/15
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On 8/01/2015 3:22 p.m., teeran...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:02:47 AM UTC-7, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote:
>> Just picked up the May 23 issue of Time magazine, which has a feature on
>> the new XBox. Bill Gates' face is so lined, he looks like a man in his
>> 60s. He seems a bit thin, too. What's he been doing to himself?

It's a result of cosmetic surgery. After all he can afford it.

;-0

geoff

Avon

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Jan 8, 2015, 4:50:35 PM1/8/15
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On 01/09/15, geoff pondered and said...

ge> It's a result of cosmetic surgery. After all he can afford it.


Perhaps he needs an upgrade from surgery 8.0 to 10.0 ... I heard 8.0
was not
so good :-)

Gordon

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Jan 8, 2015, 11:46:15 PM1/8/15
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You are getting confused with Michael Jackson, although both had Killer
products.

Some people do suddenly age. Had a co-worker who left the team for 2.5 years
and upon return I have to say age had taken its toll. Middle age had set in.

Youth has beauty and ade wisdom.

Avon

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Jan 9, 2015, 3:09:42 AM1/9/15
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On 01/09/15, Gordon pondered and said...

Go> Some people do suddenly age. Had a co-worker who left the team for
Go> 2.5
Go> years and upon return I have to say age had taken its toll. Middle
Go> age
Go> had set in.
Go>
Go> Youth has beauty and ade wisdom.

Sigh, I'm starting to know that feeling now :-)

beat...@gmail.com

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May 17, 2020, 12:35:39 AM5/17/20
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On Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 4:02:47 AM UTC-7, Lawrence DąOliveiro wrote:
> Just picked up the May 23 issue of Time magazine, which has a feature on
> the new XBox. Bill Gates' face is so lined, he looks like a man in his
> 60s. He seems a bit thin, too. What's he been doing to himself?

60s? I'm 60 and don't look anything like that. Only a few lines around my eyes. This guy's face looks HORRIBLE, like he's in his mid-80s, or older. Something really screwed this guys' face up bad.

Your Name

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May 17, 2020, 3:34:04 AM5/17/20
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On 2020-05-17 04:35:38 +0000, beat...@gmail.com said:
> On Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 4:02:47 AM UTC-7, Lawrence DaOliveiro wrote:
>>
>> Just picked up the May 23 issue of Time magazine, which has a feature
>> on the new XBox. Bill Gates' face is so lined, he looks like a man in
>> his 60s. He seems a bit thin, too. What's he been doing to himself?
>
> 60s? I'm 60 and don't look anything like that. Only a few lines
> around my eyes. This guy's face looks HORRIBLE, like he's in his
> mid-80s, or older. Something really screwed this guys' face up bad.

Bill Gates is 64 years old now, but that original message was posted in 2005.

As for how he looks, that's probably the result of his pact with the
Devil which enabled him to acquire his ill-gotten wealth while conning
people into buying his garbage-quality software (usually stolen or
bought out, and then ruined).

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