Phase 1 Week 4 January 30- February 5 Door to Liberation & Meditation--Read, Richard Fosters—pages 1-32
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Jan 30, 2012, 6:24:58 PM1/30/12
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A. Comment on: the remark of Psychiatrist Carl Jung, “Hurry is not of
the Devil; it is the devil.”
B. These were people who were close to the heart of God. God spoke to
them not because they had special abilities, but because they were
willing to listen.
C. Eastern meditation is an attempt to empty the mind; Christian
meditation is an attempt to fill the mind.
D. In meditation we enter the word of God not as passive observers,
but as active participants. Please remember to response to at least
one fellow student.
the Devil; it is the devil.”
B. These were people who were close to the heart of God. God spoke to
them not because they had special abilities, but because they were
willing to listen.
C. Eastern meditation is an attempt to empty the mind; Christian
meditation is an attempt to fill the mind.
D. In meditation we enter the word of God not as passive observers,
but as active participants. Please remember to response to at least
one fellow student.
lol
Jan 31, 2012, 12:48:48 AM1/31/12
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I am very pleased to be a part of this forum.
'Hurry is not of the Devil; it is the devil.'For me this is so true.
Hurry is one of our greatest enemies in that it keeps us away from
God, causing us to overlook our spiritual lives, eventually destroying
our soul. We end up missing the 'best' (of God) because we get
distracted chasing after the 'good'. For everything there is a season:
we do not want to make the mistake of moving faster when we should be
slowing down. Hurry (if we allow it), can be a death trap in that it
causes us to miss the important signs. Before we know it our lives
have passed before our very eyes and we're left wondering "Where did
time go?" We barely existed instead of living life to it's fullest as
God intended.
As one person stated "frantic lifestyles create destructive patterns."
We have the illusion that we have so much to do in so little time,
that exhaustion sets in. We spend so much time and energy building our
own private armies to fight our real or imagined personal battles,
that we miss the gentle nudgings and clear, still voice of the Holy
Spirit, telling us to 'stand still'. If we sit back and examine our
lives on a day-to-day basis, we realize that busyness causes a
separation/partition between us and God. It's as if we are on a
treadmill going nowhere fast. We need to renew our minds daily and
nestle into the Word of God so that our faith does not get eroded and
we do not start settling for mediocre versions of the Truth. Do not
let the the devil rob us of our joy and peace. Take the time to unwind
after a hectic day, just be still and focus on the things of God.
B. When we search the Scripture, we see that the greatest, most
effective leaders, were the best listeners. In order to have a right
relationship with God, they had to take time out of their 'busyness'
to attach themselves to Him. It does not mean that these people did
not sin. On the contrary, it shows that as soon as human frailty kicks
in, or is about to kick in, they drew closer to God. In so doing, they
were able to hear and obey His Word, because listening is unimportant
if they couldn't hear.Likewise, hearing the directive and not obeying
is counterproductive. They continually asked His guidance and
protection, so they knew what moves to make and when.
C. The differences between Eastern and Christian meditation is vast
and varied. There's a great danger in the former because any vessel
that serves it's true purpose, will and should contain 'something'.
Therefore,if it is emptied,it should be replaced with something else.
In this case the mind, when it is emptied, if not immediately filled
with the things of God, will be refilled with the same 'stuff' we got
rid of in the first place. Hence,our lives become a cycle of boredom
as the only purpose we seek to serve is that of our own. Christian
meditation on the other hand, allows us a joy and peace we would not
have known had we not met Christ. Because of our deliberate focus on
the things of God and our reflecting on there meanings,there is a
deeper union with Him.
D. In meditation, there is no way we can be "passive observers." We
have to be "active" in that we are giving ourselves over to God, so He
can transform us from the inside out. He is not forcing us to come to
Him, so whatever we do must be of freewill.As Christ said, we are not
slaves because if we were, we wouldn't know the Master's business. We
should therefore, be as loving, obedient children who wants to stay in
the good graces of our Heavenly Father. Instead of "settling" to hear
from Him through others,why not put ourselves at the place where we
will not only hear from but also speak to Him for ourselves?.
On Jan 30, 6:24 pm, New York Youth Leaders Association
'Hurry is not of the Devil; it is the devil.'For me this is so true.
Hurry is one of our greatest enemies in that it keeps us away from
God, causing us to overlook our spiritual lives, eventually destroying
our soul. We end up missing the 'best' (of God) because we get
distracted chasing after the 'good'. For everything there is a season:
we do not want to make the mistake of moving faster when we should be
slowing down. Hurry (if we allow it), can be a death trap in that it
causes us to miss the important signs. Before we know it our lives
have passed before our very eyes and we're left wondering "Where did
time go?" We barely existed instead of living life to it's fullest as
God intended.
As one person stated "frantic lifestyles create destructive patterns."
We have the illusion that we have so much to do in so little time,
that exhaustion sets in. We spend so much time and energy building our
own private armies to fight our real or imagined personal battles,
that we miss the gentle nudgings and clear, still voice of the Holy
Spirit, telling us to 'stand still'. If we sit back and examine our
lives on a day-to-day basis, we realize that busyness causes a
separation/partition between us and God. It's as if we are on a
treadmill going nowhere fast. We need to renew our minds daily and
nestle into the Word of God so that our faith does not get eroded and
we do not start settling for mediocre versions of the Truth. Do not
let the the devil rob us of our joy and peace. Take the time to unwind
after a hectic day, just be still and focus on the things of God.
B. When we search the Scripture, we see that the greatest, most
effective leaders, were the best listeners. In order to have a right
relationship with God, they had to take time out of their 'busyness'
to attach themselves to Him. It does not mean that these people did
not sin. On the contrary, it shows that as soon as human frailty kicks
in, or is about to kick in, they drew closer to God. In so doing, they
were able to hear and obey His Word, because listening is unimportant
if they couldn't hear.Likewise, hearing the directive and not obeying
is counterproductive. They continually asked His guidance and
protection, so they knew what moves to make and when.
C. The differences between Eastern and Christian meditation is vast
and varied. There's a great danger in the former because any vessel
that serves it's true purpose, will and should contain 'something'.
Therefore,if it is emptied,it should be replaced with something else.
In this case the mind, when it is emptied, if not immediately filled
with the things of God, will be refilled with the same 'stuff' we got
rid of in the first place. Hence,our lives become a cycle of boredom
as the only purpose we seek to serve is that of our own. Christian
meditation on the other hand, allows us a joy and peace we would not
have known had we not met Christ. Because of our deliberate focus on
the things of God and our reflecting on there meanings,there is a
deeper union with Him.
D. In meditation, there is no way we can be "passive observers." We
have to be "active" in that we are giving ourselves over to God, so He
can transform us from the inside out. He is not forcing us to come to
Him, so whatever we do must be of freewill.As Christ said, we are not
slaves because if we were, we wouldn't know the Master's business. We
should therefore, be as loving, obedient children who wants to stay in
the good graces of our Heavenly Father. Instead of "settling" to hear
from Him through others,why not put ourselves at the place where we
will not only hear from but also speak to Him for ourselves?.
On Jan 30, 6:24 pm, New York Youth Leaders Association
New York Youth Leaders Association
Jan 31, 2012, 4:45:55 PM1/31/12
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i enjoyed reading your post and your interaction with the textbook.
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michca...@yahoo.com
Feb 2, 2012, 10:26:50 PM2/2/12
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A. The culture of modern society is built on the concept of speed. It
takes all the running, the moving fast, the getting it now and the get
there as fast as possible. Our society has grown to immediate
gratification and modern technology does play its role in this
process. Hurry is not of the devil, it is the devil. God requires
that we be patient as James 5vs 7 implores us to be patient therefore
brethren unto the coming of the Lord…The ability to wait on the Lord
exhibits confidence in Him and allows us to be focused on who He is
and What He is doing. When we hurry we will become so distracted and
rush and preoccupied that we will settle for a mediocre version of
what God is doing. We will just skim our lives instead of actually
living them. We need to take time from our busy schedule to commune
with God. He requires intimacy. It is then and only then we will
discern the still small voice of God. Our ministry cannot be too busy
for us not to take time to be in a lonely place to listen to God. One
writer states that “the waiting room is a place where life is put on
hold. When we do not wait on the Lord we will not take matters into
our own hands and follow our own schemes. We need to take the time to
know God hence we will know his plans for our lives. As leaders we
should possess the qualities of patience, perseverance and endurance.
B. God spoke to these people not because they had special abilities,
but because they were willing to listen. One of the keys to life and
good relationship is communication. Listening is an integral part of
communication. It increases productivity and improves personal
relationship through reducing conflicts, strengthens corporation and
fosters understanding. We listen to understand, interpret and
evaluate. For us to progress in intimacy with God we must progress
toward silence. Solomon spoke of the listening ear. In order for us
to hear from God, we must listen to his still small voice. These men
were close to the heart of God, not only because they talk to but
because they chose to listen. These men had communion with God. We
should not get too occupied and self centered where we spend most or
all of our time talking and no time listening. It is often said, that
we are give two ears and one mouth because we should listen more than
we talk. In listening we pay close attention or tune into what God
has to say, and we learn how to trust Him and build intimacy. Failure
to listen to God shows our determination to live our lives through our
own resources and foolishness.
C.
Eastern meditation is the process of emptying the mind where the mind
becomes vulnerable or relaxed. The individual then has to focus on
one so the individual will not be distracted. The mind will then get
weary of thinking or focusing intently on that one thing and
eventually gives. Then voidness and blankness occurs. The goal of
eastern meditation is to be detached from the world.
Christian meditation is a detachment from the world and be attached to
God. In our meditation with God we become receptive to the still
small voice of God and hence spiritual communion takes place. God is
then allowed to have preeminence in our lives enabling us to live
better in this world as we fulfill His will for us. God delights in
communion, just as He did commune Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden,
He delights in communing with us. In Christian meditation we find
rest in Christ. We are closer drawn to him as we get to know him for
who He really is. He addressed us through his words and therefore His
words begin to transform us into who he wants us to be. “For to be in
the presence of God is to change.”
D. We enter the word of God not as passive observers but as active
participants. As we meditate on the word of God it reveals to us what
God wants to say to us. Therefore we should put everything aside and
concentrate on what God is saying. I must give Him undivided
attention. The word of God is soul searching and the Holy Spirit
brings conviction. Hence I should listen carefully to what God is
saying, interpret accurately what he means and apply the truth to my
personal life. I should do this on a regular basis since this is the
only way of developing my listening skills with God.
michca...@yahoo.com
Feb 2, 2012, 10:33:11 PM2/2/12
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Sis I am total agreement with you that we end up missing the best of
God because we get destracted chasing after the good.
What God wants is that we stop to listen to what he has to say to us.
I am so guilty of saying I have so much to do in so little time. i
know God is allowing me to
accept my weaknesses so he can turn them into my strength. God bless
you.
God because we get destracted chasing after the good.
What God wants is that we stop to listen to what he has to say to us.
I am so guilty of saying I have so much to do in so little time. i
know God is allowing me to
accept my weaknesses so he can turn them into my strength. God bless
you.
michael desire
Feb 3, 2012, 12:07:47 AM2/3/12
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Grace and Peace, my sister,i'am totally agreed with you,
i'm very blessed to be part of this foerum,may the Lord bless you,and may He continues to use you to bring these edifying words to his people.God bless you.
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Living in what I like to call a microwave society hurry seems to be
the remedy to getting through every aspect of everyday living . I
agree with Carl Jung in his statement because of our consistent hurry
we miss quality time that can be spent with God .Also when in a hurry
we find little or no time to practice our spiritual disciplines and as
was stated in the book practice of these spiritual discipline gets us
to a place where God can perform change in us.Therefore I believe that
if we are always in a hurry we miss an opportunity for spiritual
growth. So in saying that hurry is not of the devil it is the devil
the author was on point because if the devil can take us away from our
time spent with God or time spent applying spiritual discipline then
he can kill us spiritually .Ultimately that is the devils plan,
b)All through the bible we see people who were used by God,who heard
from God and yes because they were willing to listen.
When we avail ourselves to God then he is able to effectively use us
because he can talk to us. So no it does not take special abilities,
we don't need to be spiritual Giants to be used of God .In fact the
more willing we become then the more God increases in us and we find
that our lives change drastically .
C)We should always strive to achieve christian meditation because in
meditating on God and his word we fill the void that had been placed
in us from sin. When we replace the things of the world with the
things of God especially his word we open the door to a better
relationship with the lord and ultimately being fulfilled in life as
whole human beings. We often search for more in life to fulfilled but
nothing but a intimate relationship with God can accomplish that.
There are so many fads when it comes to meditation and a lot of people
buy into the hype and not realizing that nothing changes really with
that type of meditation.Thus a empty and unfulfilled mind and life.
D)when we as christian enter into meditation on the word we do so with
an expectancy of learning and growing. We are not just passive
observers because when we meditate we should apply the word to our
lives .In doing so we allow ourselves an opportunity to live a more
successful lives more fulfilled and happy.
the remedy to getting through every aspect of everyday living . I
agree with Carl Jung in his statement because of our consistent hurry
we miss quality time that can be spent with God .Also when in a hurry
we find little or no time to practice our spiritual disciplines and as
was stated in the book practice of these spiritual discipline gets us
to a place where God can perform change in us.Therefore I believe that
if we are always in a hurry we miss an opportunity for spiritual
growth. So in saying that hurry is not of the devil it is the devil
the author was on point because if the devil can take us away from our
time spent with God or time spent applying spiritual discipline then
he can kill us spiritually .Ultimately that is the devils plan,
b)All through the bible we see people who were used by God,who heard
from God and yes because they were willing to listen.
When we avail ourselves to God then he is able to effectively use us
because he can talk to us. So no it does not take special abilities,
we don't need to be spiritual Giants to be used of God .In fact the
more willing we become then the more God increases in us and we find
that our lives change drastically .
C)We should always strive to achieve christian meditation because in
meditating on God and his word we fill the void that had been placed
in us from sin. When we replace the things of the world with the
things of God especially his word we open the door to a better
relationship with the lord and ultimately being fulfilled in life as
whole human beings. We often search for more in life to fulfilled but
nothing but a intimate relationship with God can accomplish that.
There are so many fads when it comes to meditation and a lot of people
buy into the hype and not realizing that nothing changes really with
that type of meditation.Thus a empty and unfulfilled mind and life.
D)when we as christian enter into meditation on the word we do so with
an expectancy of learning and growing. We are not just passive
observers because when we meditate we should apply the word to our
lives .In doing so we allow ourselves an opportunity to live a more
successful lives more fulfilled and happy.
twi...@yahoo.com
Feb 3, 2012, 9:22:09 PM2/3/12
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lol i am delighted to read what you wrote . I totally agree with you
especially about our hurry and as such missing God . I do hope that we
as a christian body will slow down long enough to hear from God and
apply his words to our lives
Be blessed
especially about our hurry and as such missing God . I do hope that we
as a christian body will slow down long enough to hear from God and
apply his words to our lives
Be blessed
> I am very pleased to be a part of this forum.
lol
Feb 3, 2012, 9:51:46 PM2/3/12
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I know everyone on this course will echo my sentiments in saying
"Thank God for NYYLA." Sis, I've been at the place where I used to
complain that I need 24 more hours in my day. Since I started reading
the Celebraton of Disciplne, it's as if scales literally fell from my
eyes and I'm taking things a bit easier. The Word of the Lord is
really sharper than a two-edged sword so I find that I'm doing more
self-examination.I tell myself and I'm telling everyone, please,
whatever happens,stand in the face of adversity. We may be cast down
at times but not forsaken. Keep our hearts tuned to God and we'll be
able to have the open communication that He had with David, Isaiah,Eli
and Jeremiah.
"Thank God for NYYLA." Sis, I've been at the place where I used to
complain that I need 24 more hours in my day. Since I started reading
the Celebraton of Disciplne, it's as if scales literally fell from my
eyes and I'm taking things a bit easier. The Word of the Lord is
really sharper than a two-edged sword so I find that I'm doing more
self-examination.I tell myself and I'm telling everyone, please,
whatever happens,stand in the face of adversity. We may be cast down
at times but not forsaken. Keep our hearts tuned to God and we'll be
able to have the open communication that He had with David, Isaiah,Eli
and Jeremiah.
michael desire
Feb 4, 2012, 6:56:52 PM2/4/12
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For the word of God clearly stated, we are not finding against flesh and blood.but we are in wars ,with principalities,and also prince of darkness,
the way these forces attack us as christians,is to bring the fruit of the flesh in our lives,which is of cource ,impatient; because patient and long suffering are of the fruit of the spirit.
so yes ,often times as christians, we find ourselves in a big rush,always in a hurry,not spending enough times in the word of God.
so yes,the author Carl jung in his statement is not just right,but,bring also a revelation in his statement,that will awaking all of us to know that we are in a battle,because ,
not able to meditate in the word,or ,always in a hurry , is not just of the devil, but it is the devil himself.
the word of God stated by our brother Apostle Paul,in 1st thess, rejoice always,and pray with out ceasing.
that means tribulations will come ,trials will come,your flesh will bring temptations daily, but we ought to meditate in the word of God.
meanings,to have in intimacy with God,we read how several of people ,like Prophet Elijah, Moses,Isaiah,and our savior Jesus, ;they used to be in constant meditation Prayer ,day and nights,
Jesus,said, when we pray with out any doubt,what ever we ask in his name it shall be given to us.
David ask in his prayer for God to search his heart.and also to renew in him a stead fast spirit.
we also need to ask for the same,when we meditate in the word ,and because of our relationship with the savior,who's making prayer of intercession for you.
therefore ,we will be transformed by the renewal of our minds, because as christians, when we meditate,our mind is not just filled,but it's also renewed.
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Darell
Feb 4, 2012, 10:09:06 PM2/4/12
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A. Carl Jung has a point in saying "Hurry is not of the devil; it is
the devil" The devil disguise himself in many ways, and one of the
ways is hurry. He is in a hurry to finish his course because he knows
he only has a very short time left. In the meantime he is trying take
down with him whosoever he can by giving people an alternative that
only lead to heartache, destruction and death, thus miss the wonderful
promises of God which is abundant life. Therefore, we have to be on
our guard against all rush to do anything we would regret later on and
forfeit the blessed plan of God for our lives. The bible tells us that
a thousand years is like one day to almighty God who is not control by
time and space but rule over them and does things in their proper
timing.
B. When we are willing to listen to God, it shows that we respect Him
and care to know His mind and doesn't want to do anything that would
be out his will. For it is in listening we are able to respond
correctly to his will for our lives. This is the only way we can be
obedient to Him and follow his command. To listen and do His will is
the only way we can truly show Him that we love Him. It is also the
best way to receive and give back which does not require any special
ability but a thankful heart.
C. Any attempt to empty the mind as in Eastern meditation is
useless, for the mind can not be emptied for very long,it is a matter
of time before something else that is not of God occupies it. That
does more harm than Good. Fill in the mind with the things of God or
with God is the ideal way to meditate, it works best for it allows us
to be connected to the Supreme Being and be one with Him in thoughts
and in deeds which can benefit mankind greatly.
D. In meditating we definitely can not be passive observers, for the
very purpose of our meditation is so that we can commune with God and
Him with us. "To listen to God's word, reflecting on God's works,
rehearsing God's deeds, ruminating on God's law and more". I believe
this is the ideal work of a believer who is walking with God and That
God would testify as He did for David that he/she is a person after my
own heart. May God grant us the desire to meditate upon Him night and
day. Grace and peace be with you all!!!
the devil" The devil disguise himself in many ways, and one of the
ways is hurry. He is in a hurry to finish his course because he knows
he only has a very short time left. In the meantime he is trying take
down with him whosoever he can by giving people an alternative that
only lead to heartache, destruction and death, thus miss the wonderful
promises of God which is abundant life. Therefore, we have to be on
our guard against all rush to do anything we would regret later on and
forfeit the blessed plan of God for our lives. The bible tells us that
a thousand years is like one day to almighty God who is not control by
time and space but rule over them and does things in their proper
timing.
B. When we are willing to listen to God, it shows that we respect Him
and care to know His mind and doesn't want to do anything that would
be out his will. For it is in listening we are able to respond
correctly to his will for our lives. This is the only way we can be
obedient to Him and follow his command. To listen and do His will is
the only way we can truly show Him that we love Him. It is also the
best way to receive and give back which does not require any special
ability but a thankful heart.
C. Any attempt to empty the mind as in Eastern meditation is
useless, for the mind can not be emptied for very long,it is a matter
of time before something else that is not of God occupies it. That
does more harm than Good. Fill in the mind with the things of God or
with God is the ideal way to meditate, it works best for it allows us
to be connected to the Supreme Being and be one with Him in thoughts
and in deeds which can benefit mankind greatly.
D. In meditating we definitely can not be passive observers, for the
very purpose of our meditation is so that we can commune with God and
Him with us. "To listen to God's word, reflecting on God's works,
rehearsing God's deeds, ruminating on God's law and more". I believe
this is the ideal work of a believer who is walking with God and That
God would testify as He did for David that he/she is a person after my
own heart. May God grant us the desire to meditate upon Him night and
day. Grace and peace be with you all!!!
Pat Blackwood
Feb 5, 2012, 2:51:47 AM2/5/12
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Wow! Wow! This book is awesome...I am re-reading the pages, I am
reading and taking it slow because I am not to hurry.
A. We should only hurry to accept the Lord, "....today if you hear His
voice harden not your heart." However, hurry will prevents us from
balancing our time in terms of competing values, and prevent
strategies by which success is measured.
B. Our listening God loves to communicate with listeners, on our
prayerline I am always trying to encourage us as believers to be quiet
for few minuites and listen to our God, He also uses the inconvenient
situations we faced to speak to us as we listen.
C. Filling our minds via Christian meditation is the contrast to
Eastern meditation, both types has its place in our lives but,
Christian meditation has a deep sense of unrefined freedom and subtle
curiosity which blaze the fire of God in our filled minds
and give us the mind of Christ ".....let this mind be in you which was
also in Christ Jesus."
D. Active participants who are redeemed by the word of God which we
entered, and our lives are transformed, as we yearned,
panteth, thirst, knock, seeketh, longeth, chaseth, crieth, and study,
so we can " Go ye therefore...."
reading and taking it slow because I am not to hurry.
A. We should only hurry to accept the Lord, "....today if you hear His
voice harden not your heart." However, hurry will prevents us from
balancing our time in terms of competing values, and prevent
strategies by which success is measured.
B. Our listening God loves to communicate with listeners, on our
prayerline I am always trying to encourage us as believers to be quiet
for few minuites and listen to our God, He also uses the inconvenient
situations we faced to speak to us as we listen.
C. Filling our minds via Christian meditation is the contrast to
Eastern meditation, both types has its place in our lives but,
Christian meditation has a deep sense of unrefined freedom and subtle
curiosity which blaze the fire of God in our filled minds
and give us the mind of Christ ".....let this mind be in you which was
also in Christ Jesus."
D. Active participants who are redeemed by the word of God which we
entered, and our lives are transformed, as we yearned,
panteth, thirst, knock, seeketh, longeth, chaseth, crieth, and study,
so we can " Go ye therefore...."
Pat Blackwood
Feb 5, 2012, 2:54:03 AM2/5/12
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Pat Blackwood
Feb 5, 2012, 2:56:16 AM2/5/12
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Great point, we should be God chasers instead.
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Pat Blackwood
Feb 5, 2012, 2:59:49 AM2/5/12
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Contents carefully noted, and I have confidence that God will help us
to be better servants
as we get equipped for service to labor for our Master from the dawn
until setting sun.
to be better servants
as we get equipped for service to labor for our Master from the dawn
until setting sun.
Ava
Feb 5, 2012, 8:41:22 AM2/5/12
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A. Hurry is not of the Devil; it is the devil.”
Carl Jung couldn't have said this any better. Hurry is just another
part of microwave movement or "Everything in the "NOW" Movement.
FOR this reason we have sacrificed the best relationships, the best
friendship and have settled for good or less one.. Yes, because of
hurry even church's divorce rates are sky rocketing (much like the
world around us). In the same way, we may have fail to tap into great
ministering moments. Gosh, I may sound a bit negative, but somehow I
know it's true.
The rush, hustle and bustle of the present day can rob us of
our opportunity to offer God a true lifestyle of worship. This hurry
is eating away our ability to discern the voice of God. Lord,
please forgive us and teach us how to truly wait on You.
B. These were people who were close to the heart of God. God spoke
to them
not because they had special abilities, but because they
were willing to
listen
They
often listen to good instructions, they ponder His ways by meditating
on
His words, and spend must time in communication with Him. One of
our greatest example is King David who took the time in worship,
prayer and the word to know the mind of God regarding any battle he
would fight.
C. Eastern meditation is an attempt to empty the mind;
Christian meditation is an attempt to fill the mind
It concentrates on emptying the mind and build up the mind on
nothingness.. Here one is taught to nurture himself and disregard the
world around... In the end, you may only build up self.
On the contrary, christian meditation helps us to renew our mind by
pointing us to our Source of our renewal. It points us away from the
soulish /self life and points us to the spiritual life. It
promotes a direction towards God and Hisrighteousness. Here,
we become more aware of our need for God. We become more successful
and prosperous in the Christian Journey by meditating on God's word.
We become as the flourishing tree planted by the river - firmly
rooted and grounded - by practicing Christian meditation.
D. In meditation, we enter the word of God not as passive
observers, but as active participants.
We are actively participating when we see God's point of view and
decide to accept it and apply them to our lives. True Christian
meditation causes us to hear and obey God's words and instructions and
then we have to decide to follow them. We are not mere or passive
observers as God does not impose His will on us. He desire for us
to choose His will.
Ava
Feb 5, 2012, 8:47:42 AM2/5/12
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Hi lol... Love your well thought out responses to the subjects of this
discussion. Your points are well taken. I am also glad to be a part
of this forum
discussion. Your points are well taken. I am also glad to be a part
of this forum
Mary.V
Feb 5, 2012, 5:38:03 PM2/5/12
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A. I am in partial agreement with Jung. I would not classify hurry as
the Devil itself but I would definitely categorize hurry as one of the
many techniques he uses to steal our peace and to separate us from
God.
B. The Bible is full of people that are great examples of this
statement. To add emphasis to the examples the book provided I really
wanted to expand more about Moses. One of these men is Moses, I love
when Moses, when he was called by God, he asked God “Who am I that I
should go to Pharaoh, and that I should bring the children of Israel
out Egypt” (Exodus 3: 11). Moses knew that he didn’t have the special
abilities, he did not have what he thought he was going to need to
complete the mission God was putting in his hand. But he did have the
disposition to listen to God’s guidance. I also love when God, after
assuring him that He was going to be with him, says “I am who I
am” (3:14). In other words in this part of the Scripture we can see
that it is not about the abilities we do or do not posses, but is
about how we listen to God’s guidance in order to complete the mission
he puts in our hands.
C. Eastern meditation focuses in the emptiness of the mind to get rid
of thoughts that cause undesirable emotions. As a mental health
practitioner I can see the rationale supporting this practice. However
as the textbook states it is a psychological manipulation, and once
the person is done with the journey and escapes for a brief amount of
time from reality then that person will have to face the real world
(Foster, 1998, p.3). In contrast Christian meditation doesn’t empties
the mind but renews it as the Bible tells us in Ephesians 4:23 “and be
renewed in the spirit of your mind” our minds are renewed by filling
it with the Word of God!
D. This last statement really impacted me. It is so true that when we
enter the Word of God in meditation we enter as active participants.
Just to start with we need to start making the decision of wanting
that relationship with God and as in any relationship we need to
“work” to maintain it and of course to make it stronger. That is where
the Disciplines take place, when as active participants we make these
disciplines part of our daily walk with God.
Mary V.
Mary.V
Feb 5, 2012, 5:43:13 PM2/5/12
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Darrel,
In my post I actually described hurry as a “technique” used by the
Devil to steal our peace and separate us from God. It is very
interesting that you defined it as a “disguise” I thing that is the
perfect term. As you say he knows time is falling shorter each day and
he uses everything he can to steal what Jesus already won by dying for
us at the cross! Very good post.
Mary V.
Darell
Feb 5, 2012, 11:31:32 PM2/5/12
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Hi Sis. Michca,
I do agree with you that as leaders for the kingdom of God we need to
have patience, perseverance and endurance for without them we will not
be able to do his will and live a life that is pleasing to God, so let
us ask Him to grant them to us to glorify His Holy Name. Amen!
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I do agree with you that as leaders for the kingdom of God we need to
have patience, perseverance and endurance for without them we will not
be able to do his will and live a life that is pleasing to God, so let
us ask Him to grant them to us to glorify His Holy Name. Amen!
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Feb 6, 2012, 7:46:16 PM2/6/12
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I know that god is using us if we can just stay still?
kourtney baines romero
Feb 6, 2012, 11:04:03 PM2/6/12
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A. Comment on: the remark of Psychiatrist Carl Jung, “Hurry is not of
the Devil; it is the devil.”
It is true, that the “Hurry” of each day seems to engulf you to occupy
the Devil; it is the devil.”
your time, really your life if you allow it. You can be so caught up
in the hustle and bustle of each day that you are so focused on what’s
next on your to do list than someone’s needs or even neglecting your
own. Especially in NYC for me it seems like you are on the go from the
time you wake up until it’s time to sleep, then it starts all over
again. Our society is a, I want it now, instantaneously… I want my
email on my Black Berry NOW, I want my 10min. dinners , I even want my
prayers answered now . Being a tech person I have every new gadget
Ipad, Ipod, PC, 2 BB’s , a net book you name it I have it although I
do appreciate the advances I do see where there is a need to UNPLUG;
to just spend time with the family, or just spend time quietly
developing my relationship with God, instead of hurrying along though
the day with appointments and focused on what’s next on MY to do list,
and being so accessible to everyone makes me question with all this
am I making myself just as accessible to God; unintentionally ignoring
what God has on his to do list for me.
B. These were people who were close to the heart of God. God spoke to
them not because they had special abilities, but because they were
willing to listen
God can use anyone he wants to. There are no special qualifications
you need to be used by GOD. “but because they were willing to listen”
In order to hear God you have to be listening and seeking the kingdom.
You can be preoccupied with what you want, what you have been praying
for that you forget to take a moment be still and listen, in my case
the need to unplug and listen to the plans God has for me and be ready
to actively enter our time.
C. Eastern meditation is an attempt to empty the mind; Christian
meditation is an attempt to fill the mind.
chanting clear their minds. Christian mediation is the attempt to fill
the mind; you must be willing to Unplug or disconnect from all
distractions in order to work on your intimate relationship with GOD,
the ability to just focus on your relationship and communicate with
GOD, in this special space there will be time for active listening.
D. In meditation we enter the word of God not as passive observers,
but as active participants.
active participant requires interpretation, understanding, and
evaluation of what is being said, similar to any developing
relationship that needs strengthening or improvement, communication is
essential key and practicing active listening will draw you nearer.
kourtney baines romero
Feb 6, 2012, 11:12:53 PM2/6/12
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I just submitted my post and I am reading yours and the comments seem
to be so similar we both used this coined phrase of the "hustle and
bustle" and reference to the I want it Now's ... I enjoyed your post
and the reading for this week it definitely encouraged me to look
deeper into myself and identify opportunities for improvement. :)
to be so similar we both used this coined phrase of the "hustle and
bustle" and reference to the I want it Now's ... I enjoyed your post
and the reading for this week it definitely encouraged me to look
deeper into myself and identify opportunities for improvement. :)
kourtney baines romero
Feb 6, 2012, 11:23:53 PM2/6/12
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I can definitely agree with you, I would always say there are just not
enough hours in the day to get everything done. There is a to do list
for everything but this book has cause for some seriously needed self
reflection; I am so excited about making the necessary changes so that
I am not consumed by my agenda and the everyday hustle and bustle. :)
thanks for the encouraging post
enough hours in the day to get everything done. There is a to do list
for everything but this book has cause for some seriously needed self
reflection; I am so excited about making the necessary changes so that
I am not consumed by my agenda and the everyday hustle and bustle. :)
thanks for the encouraging post
kourtney baines romero
Feb 6, 2012, 11:30:56 PM2/6/12
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Pat I had to do the same thing I read through it somewhat quickly or
multitasking, then I read about Hurry and had to go back to just be
quiet and focus, I really wish there was a like button on here like on
facebook!!! I would "like" your comment about How God uses
inconvenient situations to get our attention and speak to us.... so
true!
multitasking, then I read about Hurry and had to go back to just be
quiet and focus, I really wish there was a like button on here like on
facebook!!! I would "like" your comment about How God uses
inconvenient situations to get our attention and speak to us.... so
true!
PATRICIA R. BLACKWOOD
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Awwww! thanks K, to God be the glory!
Your posts always are the wind beneath my wings.
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Feb 13, 2012, 6:21:44 PM2/13/12
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A. "Hurry is not of the Devil; it is the devil" said by Psychiatrist
Carl Jung is a true statement. I agree that "Hurry" is a strategic,
almost camouflage attack from the enemy. It distracts us from the plan
of God, it takes away from what God wants to do with and through us
and most importantly it waters down the powerful, detailed and
effective plan God wants us to fulfill.
I can vouch to that as the new director of my church Sunday School. I
am responsible for preparing the curriculum; typing, editing,
revising; making sure that teachers received their lessons in a
appropriate time; making sure all needed items are ready; and the list
goes on. My bad habit is to wait last minute to edit the curriculum
and most of what I need for Sunday School is done in the late hours of
Friday and Saturday nights. Last Sunday, however, I prepared
everything earlier and all I had to do was a few things that Saturday
evening. The next morning, on Sunday, I began to take on my usual
'panic rush' mood when I realized that everything was done. All I had
to do was pick up my purse and go. I cannot explain to you the feeling
I had, I felt so peaceful and restful and most importantly I was more
open to hear from God because I was not rushing in getting last minute
details done on Sunday morning.
B. I wrote this same statement down in my notes because it stood out
to me; The many people God spoke to is not because they had 'special
abilities' but because they were willing to 'listen'. How simple yet
powerful that statement is. Based on personal experiences, I sometimes
make hearing from God, a big complicated thing. I'm learning now that
'hearing from God' is really a conversation and a conversation has two
roles; the sender and the receiver interchangeably. Listening is a
hard trait in our day and age, because everyone is more concerned
about 'their' thoughts, 'their' opinions, what they have to say. Have
you ever looked on your Facebook status, "What's on your mind?". So to
actually say, "Lord, go ahead, I'm listening" is really a DISCIPLINE.
And I like the fact that it's not just hearing, but it's listening
with an intention to do what He says. An imagery that came to mind
when I was reading this part was a radio. I saw a radio on in a house
and many people were in different rooms of the house, now some who
were further away would say "Do you hear something? I thought I heard
some voice?" and then shake it off because they were not sure if they
heard so they went about their business. Then some were in other rooms
closer to the room where the radio is; they could hear the radio but
the voice was still muffled because there were walls/partitions in
between them. And then there are those who are closer who can't make
out the voice coming from the radio, it bothers them so much that they
are so close but they can seem to really hear what the voice is saying
so they get up and they move in closer to the voice, they find the
room where the radio is and that is when they hear what the voice is
saying crystal clear. So my conviction from God was, "If you want to
hear me crystal clear, move in closer."
C. The statement "Eastern meditation is an attempt to empty the mind;
Christian
meditation is an attempt to fill the mind" brought some much needed
clarification to me. I have always stayed away from the word
'meditation' as a Christian because I thought it always involved
emptying out of your mind and too psychological in nature but as
Thomas Merton beautifully put it, "True contemplation is not a
psychological trick but a theological grace". And you are who or what
you contemplated. I didn't know how many people in the Bible,
including my Lord Jesus, who meditated on the Word of God and grew and
changed by the meditation of the Word. I also found out through the
explanation of the different types of meditation that I was already
meditating on God's Word through many of those forms of meditation and
I didn't even know it. Thank God, for the Holy Spirit, our Teacher.
Word of God becomes a powerful weapon of warfare because we take it as
our own and not just a story, or just a promise, or just a miracle
that happened years ago. I believe when you put the "I" in there, it
produces this intimate, intense relationship with the Author of the
Book (God) and you began to see Him as Abba and you as His Beloved and
you began to be more assured of yourself and your relationship with
the Almighty God. It makes it harder for you to be swayed by any false
doctrines because you and His Word are one and inseparable.
On Jan 30, 3:24 pm, New York Youth Leaders Association
Carl Jung is a true statement. I agree that "Hurry" is a strategic,
almost camouflage attack from the enemy. It distracts us from the plan
of God, it takes away from what God wants to do with and through us
and most importantly it waters down the powerful, detailed and
effective plan God wants us to fulfill.
I can vouch to that as the new director of my church Sunday School. I
am responsible for preparing the curriculum; typing, editing,
revising; making sure that teachers received their lessons in a
appropriate time; making sure all needed items are ready; and the list
goes on. My bad habit is to wait last minute to edit the curriculum
and most of what I need for Sunday School is done in the late hours of
Friday and Saturday nights. Last Sunday, however, I prepared
everything earlier and all I had to do was a few things that Saturday
evening. The next morning, on Sunday, I began to take on my usual
'panic rush' mood when I realized that everything was done. All I had
to do was pick up my purse and go. I cannot explain to you the feeling
I had, I felt so peaceful and restful and most importantly I was more
open to hear from God because I was not rushing in getting last minute
details done on Sunday morning.
B. I wrote this same statement down in my notes because it stood out
to me; The many people God spoke to is not because they had 'special
abilities' but because they were willing to 'listen'. How simple yet
powerful that statement is. Based on personal experiences, I sometimes
make hearing from God, a big complicated thing. I'm learning now that
'hearing from God' is really a conversation and a conversation has two
roles; the sender and the receiver interchangeably. Listening is a
hard trait in our day and age, because everyone is more concerned
about 'their' thoughts, 'their' opinions, what they have to say. Have
you ever looked on your Facebook status, "What's on your mind?". So to
actually say, "Lord, go ahead, I'm listening" is really a DISCIPLINE.
And I like the fact that it's not just hearing, but it's listening
with an intention to do what He says. An imagery that came to mind
when I was reading this part was a radio. I saw a radio on in a house
and many people were in different rooms of the house, now some who
were further away would say "Do you hear something? I thought I heard
some voice?" and then shake it off because they were not sure if they
heard so they went about their business. Then some were in other rooms
closer to the room where the radio is; they could hear the radio but
the voice was still muffled because there were walls/partitions in
between them. And then there are those who are closer who can't make
out the voice coming from the radio, it bothers them so much that they
are so close but they can seem to really hear what the voice is saying
so they get up and they move in closer to the voice, they find the
room where the radio is and that is when they hear what the voice is
saying crystal clear. So my conviction from God was, "If you want to
hear me crystal clear, move in closer."
C. The statement "Eastern meditation is an attempt to empty the mind;
Christian
meditation is an attempt to fill the mind" brought some much needed
clarification to me. I have always stayed away from the word
'meditation' as a Christian because I thought it always involved
emptying out of your mind and too psychological in nature but as
Thomas Merton beautifully put it, "True contemplation is not a
psychological trick but a theological grace". And you are who or what
you contemplated. I didn't know how many people in the Bible,
including my Lord Jesus, who meditated on the Word of God and grew and
changed by the meditation of the Word. I also found out through the
explanation of the different types of meditation that I was already
meditating on God's Word through many of those forms of meditation and
I didn't even know it. Thank God, for the Holy Spirit, our Teacher.
D. "In meditation we enter the word of God not as passive observers,
but as active participants." I believe this statement is where the
Word of God becomes a powerful weapon of warfare because we take it as
our own and not just a story, or just a promise, or just a miracle
that happened years ago. I believe when you put the "I" in there, it
produces this intimate, intense relationship with the Author of the
Book (God) and you began to see Him as Abba and you as His Beloved and
you began to be more assured of yourself and your relationship with
the Almighty God. It makes it harder for you to be swayed by any false
doctrines because you and His Word are one and inseparable.
On Jan 30, 3:24 pm, New York Youth Leaders Association
Jbl...@yahoo.com
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A.God is a God of order. I believe when things are done in order,
things turn out better. Thoughts and steps taken into deep
consideration have a better effect at the end. God has our best in
mind and thinks about what He allows and how it will effect us. He
would rather us not make rash decisions to usually later regret them.
The devil is the exact opposite. He would likes to confuse us and make
us question everything we go through.He would prefer us do things in
haste and make decisions and demonstrate emotional behavior, later
creating chaos and unhappiness. Day to day we have to ask ourselves
when things become chaotic, who is behind it....God or the devil.
B. If we really look at the Bible and see the people whom God used
mightily, did not have special abilities, but most importantly were
willing vessels. God used imperfect, ordinary people to do
extraordinary things. David, Moses, Abraham, etc. were all considered
to be "close to God's heart" because they were obedient and did as He
said.
C. Meditation is to be aware of your thoughts or repeating a
statement over and over until it's believed. Eastern meditation tries
to empty your mind, whereas Christian meditation attempts to fill it.
Let's be real for a second, can your mind ever really be empty? NO! It
will be filled with "something". What will that "something" be? The
true and living word or empty promises? Christian meditation helps our
minds stay filled on the true and living word of God. Those words will
help give life to dead situations and circumstances.
D.I teach this all the time in my classroom. Being an active
participant forces you to exhibit the appropriate behaviors that will
get desired results. When we meditate on the word of God, we repeat
the scripture or revelation the Holy Spirit has given you over and
over. Now as an active participant, we have to be active about that
word. Apply it in your lives. This can be seen in a change of
behavior, speech, actions, etc. This is when we transfer from passive
to active.
Jbl...@yahoo.com
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P_fenelus, I can attest to your comment. Hurrying totally distracts us
from the plan pd God. we have to 1 Peter 5:8 " be sober minded" and
stay alert to that we don't invite the enemy into our lives. Rushing
or hurrying will make us confused and distract us from our intended
goal. In regards to your "bad habits" we all are guilty, especially
me! No matter how hard I try to do things before the last minute, my
schedule is so busy, there I am up in the wee hours of the morning
finishing up what I had planned to do eariler. Like you, this year I
plan to do things differently (we'll see how that goes). But keep up
the good work. I will try to do the same.
from the plan pd God. we have to 1 Peter 5:8 " be sober minded" and
stay alert to that we don't invite the enemy into our lives. Rushing
or hurrying will make us confused and distract us from our intended
goal. In regards to your "bad habits" we all are guilty, especially
me! No matter how hard I try to do things before the last minute, my
schedule is so busy, there I am up in the wee hours of the morning
finishing up what I had planned to do eariler. Like you, this year I
plan to do things differently (we'll see how that goes). But keep up
the good work. I will try to do the same.
Jbl...@yahoo.com
Mar 10, 2012, 5:34:34 PM3/10/12
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Lol, I'm definitely guilty in terms of " frantic lifestyles creates
destructive patterns" . Like you stated busy lifestyles separate you
from God. Very recently, that was me. Running for here to there. I
often like a circus performer, juggling too many things at once. I
often felt very empty because I wasn't spending time with God. I had
to change this because I saw it was leading me down a path God didn't
intend for me to be. Now after implementing those changes, I am
spening time with God. regardless of how crazy my schedule may be my
time with God is planned and wont be shifted. God keeps me centered
and balanced.
destructive patterns" . Like you stated busy lifestyles separate you
from God. Very recently, that was me. Running for here to there. I
often like a circus performer, juggling too many things at once. I
often felt very empty because I wasn't spending time with God. I had
to change this because I saw it was leading me down a path God didn't
intend for me to be. Now after implementing those changes, I am
spening time with God. regardless of how crazy my schedule may be my
time with God is planned and wont be shifted. God keeps me centered
and balanced.
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