former Lowes hotel near 53rd & Lexington?
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
know what that hotel is called today and the exact location?
Thanks!
[public replies, please]
vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com
the penthouse for meetings for some clubs I belong to. There's also a
"W" and a Marriott nearby. But 53&Lex is Citicorp, and I don't recall
anything north of Citi until the Four Seasons. I have a vague
recollection of seeing the Lowes sign (early 1980s?) on what is now
the Metropolitan but my memory could be playing tricks on me because
Lowes was also a movie theatre chain. If you really want to check this
out, do a reverse geography search on superpages.com.
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Peter T. Daniels
>
> Metropolitan (Doubletree) 51&Lex, I think. They used to rent out
> the penthouse for meetings for some clubs I belong to. There's also a
> "W" and a Marriott nearby. But 53&Lex is Citicorp, and I don't recall
> anything north of Citi until the Four Seasons. I have a vague
> recollection of seeing the Lowes sign (early 1980s?) on what is now
> the Metropolitan but my memory could be playing tricks on me because
> Lowes was also a movie theatre chain. If you really want to check this
> out, do a reverse geography search on superpages.com.
Lowes is a home improvement chain. The movies and hotels were Loew's.
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Sancho Panza
"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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As long as we're being so precise, Loews has not used the apostrophe for
more than 50 years, certainly since the Tisches took over the remnant from
the split with M-G-M and started combining it with Lorillard and the
Micronite Filter:
"About Loews | News | Stock Information | Investor Relations | Governance |
Careers | Contact Info
NYSE: LTR
Loews Corporation, a holding company, is one of the largest diversified
financial corporations in the United States. Its principal subsidiaries are
CNA Financial Corporation (NYSE: CNA), Lorillard, Inc., Boardwalk Pipeline
Partners, LP (NYSE: BWP), Diamond Offshore Drilling, Inc. (NYSE: DO), Loews
Hotels, and Bulova Corporation.
© Copyright 2005, Loews Corporation. All rights reserved Contact Info |
Legal | Site Map"
By the way, the hotel the poster is probably asking about was the Summit,
architecturally notable for being designed by Lapidus, the big Miami hotel
architect. As a matter of fact, it was the subject in the last few years of
a discussion about landmarking the building as an example of its time.
Peter T. Daniels
> By the way, the hotel the poster is probably asking about was the Summit,
> architecturally notable for being designed by Lapidus, the big Miami hotel
> architect. As a matter of fact, it was the subject in the last few years of
> a discussion about landmarking the building as an example of its time.
Hm. The closest to the Miami Beach style I've noticed is the Americana,
at 53rd & Seventh or so (it's actually still there -- though it hasn't
been called the Americana in decades).
Peter T. Daniels
> do own the hotels, but have no connection to the cinema chain. Their
> real bread and butter comes from owning the CNA insurance giant,
> tobacco company Lorillard, oil company Diamond Offshore and the Bulova
> watch company.
I said _were_. I went to Loew's 175th St. until 1968 (the last movie
shown there was *2001*).
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Sancho Panza wrote:
> > By the way, the hotel the poster is probably asking about was the Summit,
> > architecturally notable for being designed by Lapidus, the big Miami hotel
> at 53rd & Seventh or so (it's actually still there -- though it hasn't
Thanks for the responses.
However, I'm confused by the responses. Apparently the hotel in the
vicinity of 53rd & Lex, formerly a Lowes/Loews (sp?) is now called one
of the following:
1) Metropolitan
2) Doubletree
3) Summit
4) Americana
As mentioned, it was in the area of 53rd & Lex, not necessarily at that
specific corner. It was a Loews/Lowes, that I remember for sure. I'm
just curious as to what that particular hotel is called today
(presuming it is still an hotel). I checked my Hagstrom's detailed
block map but it wasn't helpful.
Thanks again.
vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com
The (Doubletree) Metropolitan was the Loews. Both were 569 Lexington.
I found an online listing for the Loews from some conference.
<LI><a href="http://www.virtualtourist.com/hotels/North_America/United_States_of_America/New_York_State/New_York_City-841252/Hotels_and_Accommodations-New_York_City-Metropolitan_Hotel_Formerly_Loews_New_York-BR-1.html">Metropolitan Hotel (Formerly Loews New York), New York City, NY</a>
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > Sancho Panza wrote:
> > > By the way, the hotel the poster is probably asking about was the Summit,
> > > architecturally notable for being designed by Lapidus, the big Miami hotel
> > Hm. The closest to the Miami Beach style I've noticed is the Americana,
> > at 53rd & Seventh or so (it's actually still there -- though it hasn't
>
> Thanks for the responses.
>
> However, I'm confused by the responses. Apparently the hotel in the
> vicinity of 53rd & Lex, formerly a Lowes/Loews (sp?) is now called one
> of the following:
>
> 1) Metropolitan
> 2) Doubletree
> 3) Summit
> 4) Americana
We already know you know nothing of New York City, but don't they have
maps in rural North Carolina? Seventh Avenue is nowhere near Lexington
Avenue.
> As mentioned, it was in the area of 53rd & Lex, not necessarily at that
> specific corner. It was a Loews/Lowes, that I remember for sure. I'm
> just curious as to what that particular hotel is called today
> (presuming it is still an hotel). I checked my Hagstrom's detailed
> block map but it wasn't helpful.
Steven M. O'Neill
>maps in rural North Carolina? Seventh Avenue is nowhere near Lexington
>Avenue.
2/3 of a mile is "nowhere near?" Should be less than a 15
minute walk....
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1474
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Steven O'Neill ste...@panix.com
Brooklyn, NY
Peter T. Daniels
I don't expect a Brooklynite to have a mental map of Manhattan ...
But really, was there any excuse for him to think I was talking about
the same building he was?
Steven M. O'Neill
>Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >We already know you know nothing of New York City, but don't they have
>> >maps in rural North Carolina? Seventh Avenue is nowhere near Lexington
>> >Avenue.
>>
>> 2/3 of a mile is "nowhere near?" Should be less than a 15
>> minute walk....
>>
>> http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1474
>> --
>> Steven O'Neill ste...@panix.com
>> Brooklyn, NY
>
>I don't expect a Brooklynite to have a mental map of Manhattan ...
And yet, I should expect a New Jerseyan to?
>But really, was there any excuse for him to think I was talking about
>the same building he was?
Probably not. I can't remember.
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> >We already know you know nothing of New York City, but don't they have
> >> >maps in rural North Carolina? Seventh Avenue is nowhere near Lexington
> >> >Avenue.
> >>
> >> 2/3 of a mile is "nowhere near?" Should be less than a 15
> >> minute walk....
> >>
> >> http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1474
> >> --
> >> Steven O'Neill ste...@panix.com
> >> Brooklyn, NY
> >
> >I don't expect a Brooklynite to have a mental map of Manhattan ...
>
> And yet, I should expect a New Jerseyan to?
Which I've been for about a year and a half.
> >But really, was there any excuse for him to think I was talking about
> >the same building he was?
>
> Probably not. I can't remember.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Steven M. O'Neill
>Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >I don't expect a Brooklynite to have a mental map of Manhattan ...
>>
>> And yet, I should expect a New Jerseyan to?
>
>Which I've been for about a year and a half.
Your mental map must be fading rapidly.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> We already know you know nothing of New York City, but don't they have
> maps in rural North Carolina? Seventh Avenue is nowhere near Lexington
> Avenue.
Just out of morbid curiosity, since Seventh is across town from
Lexington, why did you waste everyone's time stating the name of a
Seventh Avenue Hotel?
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
vjp...@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> The (Doubletree) Metropolitan was the Loews. Both were 569 Lexington.
>
> I found an online listing for the Loews from some conference.
Thanks for your help!
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> >I don't expect a Brooklynite to have a mental map of Manhattan ...
> >>
> >> And yet, I should expect a New Jerseyan to?
> >
> >Which I've been for about a year and a half.
And I've been a New Yorker for more than 50 years, including the 25
spent in Chicago (with annual visits).
> Your mental map must be fading rapidly.
I'm in the city -- Midtown -- nearly every week. The East Side and the
West Side are just conceptually not close together.
Peter T. Daniels
The topic, if you were able to comprehend written English, was hotels in
the style of Morris Lapidus (Miami Beach).
Steven M. O'Neill
>Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>> >> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >> >I don't expect a Brooklynite to have a mental map of Manhattan ...
>> >> And yet, I should expect a New Jerseyan to?
>> >Which I've been for about a year and a half.
>
>And I've been a New Yorker for more than 50 years, including the 25
>spent in Chicago (with annual visits).
I've been a New Yorker for 107 years, including 25 spent in
Delaware and (briefly) other places, 9 months in utero, and 71
years pre-conception. Before that I was Parisian for 337 years.
C'est vrai.
>> Your mental map must be fading rapidly.
>
>I'm in the city -- Midtown -- nearly every week. The East Side and the
>West Side are just conceptually not close together.
What if you start 10 inches east of 5th Avenue and travel 10
inches west of 5th Avenue?
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> The topic, if you were able to comprehend written English, was hotels in
> the style of Morris Lapidus (Miami Beach).
That's odd. I thought the topic was "former Lowes hotel near 53rd &
Lexington?". I'm pretty sure that's correct since I was the one who
started the thread.
So first you bring up Seventh Avenue, then you bring up Miami Beach,
and now you criticize other posters? For all your ranting about your
NYC so-called knowledge, it appears you know very little, and care
about NYC even less.
Bolwerk
least anywhere from being 107 to having a 517-year-old+ soul, and you
two are sitting here arguing about who knows more about New York City's
street layout? "MY STREET KNOWLEDGE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS!"
I'd hate to see what you would guys look like in a high school locker
room. :-D
vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com
dad's clan in rural North Carolina (where they behave a lot better
than these affected mausoleum-dwelling urban vermin on this newsgroup)
70yrs.. what the fried flaking petunia bladders does all this have to
do with the smell of Rumplestilskin's toenails, anyway?
PS, I'm the one who gave the right answer.. twice..
Sancho Panza
<hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message
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Far be it for me to try to calm down anything, but here's an intersting
article:
"By DAVID W. DUNLAP
Now that swanky is hot, the Summit is finally cool.
An undulating serpentine of aquamarine tile and seafoam-blue brick, the
Summit Hotel opened in 1961 with Latin-themed restaurants and a signpost
that looked like a flying saucer docking station made of Cadillac tail fins.
It had everything you would expect to find in Miami Beach. Except sand.
Because it stood instead at Lexington Avenue and 51st Street, the Summit was
seen as a slap in the face to Manhattan and its rectilinear, monochromatic,
steel-and-glass architecture. Manhattan slapped back.
''It was the most hated hotel in New York,'' its architect, Morris Lapidus,
recalled recently.
Chastened by the critical barrage, the Summit's builders, Preston Robert
Tisch and Laurence Alan Tisch, quickly toned down the design. They muted the
colors, dimmed the lighting and upholstered the transparent plastic lobby
furniture.
Today, Preston Robert's son, Jonathan M. Tisch, the president and chief
executive of Loews Hotels, is overseeing a $17 million renovation of the
Summit, to be finished in 2002, that means to restore some of its Rat Pack
flamboyance. (Though not the see-through armchairs.)
The dark, ersatz Art Deco interiors of a 1990 renovation are being scrapped
in favor of cheerful Coffee-Shop Modern. Custom-made tiles and bricks are
being used to restore the blue-green exterior. A way has even been found to
fit the new name, Metropolitan, onto a signpost meant for six fewer letters.
''We're taking the building back,'' said the younger Mr. Tisch, who was 8
years old when the Summit opened. He credited his father and uncle with
commissioning a design that ''in one sense didn't fit into its context, but
set a tone for things to come.''
It plays right into the current fascination with the Googie style of the
50's and 60's: boomerang shapes, amoeba forms, starbursts and color
combinations unknown in nature.
Named after a Los Angeles coffee shop, the Googie style was Southern
Californian in origin, but had an East Coast champion in Mr. Lapidus, whose
Miami Beach and New York hotels -- the Americana, Eden Roc, Fontainebleau
and Summit -- are high-rise versions of Coffee-Shop Modern.
Alan Hess, the author of ''Googie: Fifties Coffee Shop Architecture''
(Chronicle Books, 1985), said the sympathetic renovation of the Summit was a
''small step in the right direction that this style is being recognized now
as one worthy of preservation.''
When the 21-story Summit opened in 1961, it was the first transient hotel
built in Manhattan in 30 years. Calling itself the first American hotel with
a concierge, it played up its international flavor.
Ambassador Carlos P. Romulo of the Philippines presided at the dedication,
which was attended by Noel Coward, Judy Garland and Deborah Walley, then
starring in ''Gidget Goes Hawaiian.''
June Platt, Britain's Coffee Queen (as designated by the Pan American Coffee
Bureau), helped open the Mayan-themed Casa del Cafe coffee shop, where one
of the employees spoke Swahili.
A taste of Argentina -- or at least Mr. Lapidus's idea of Argentina -- could
be had in the Gaucho Room, where walls looked like cowhide, lamp fixtures
were shaped like steer skulls and the ceiling was ornamented with cattle
brands.
''The swinging Gaucho serves man-sized drinks all day long and sparkles with
sophisticated entertainment,'' said a 70's brochure. ''The exciting mood
continues through evening, as the 'in' crowd rendezvous.''
The Gaucho was modeled on a restaurant of the same name at the Americana
Hotel in Bal Harbour, Fla. That was just one of its drawbacks.
''We are snobbishly intolerant in New York of the subculture of Florida,''
the style arbiter Russell Lynes wrote in Art in America magazine, ''and we
wish they would keep everything but their pompano and oranges down there
where it belongs and not foul our nest with their taste.''
The critic Ada Louise Huxtable was a bit more reserved but no less emphatic
in her assessment.
''The Summit is a glittering display of gaudy confusion,'' Ms. Huxtable
wrote in The New York Times. ''Mosaics, marbles, woods, enamels, fabrics,
synthetics, colors and crafts have been poured forth and combined with
profligate abandon and aggressive insensitivity.''
The Gaucho Room, Carioca Lounge and Casa del Cafe are long gone. The number
of rooms has been reduced to 722 from 800. The average nightly room rate has
risen to $279 from $14 for a single, to $309 from $16 for a double.
Few of the original fixtures survive, though those that do will be restored,
including chandeliers on some upper floors made of extruded glass in
amoebalike starburst patterns. Perfect Googie.
By far the largest remaining original fixture is the eight-story sign on the
Lexington Avenue facade, which Mr. Lynes said would ''do justice to any
motel on the road from Dallas to Fort Worth or any bowling alley in Paramus,
N.J.''
It has seven back-lit elliptical disks (each eight and a half feet across)
between eight triangular brackets. It was easy to spell out S-u-m-m-i-t on
the disks and even the L-o-e-w-s in Loews New York, the hotel's current
name.
But ''Metropolitan'' posed a challenge until the design team, headed by
Michael Ferrera, the director of facilities at Loews Hotels, figured out
that the brackets could be used for letters, too.
''All of us feel strongly about keeping the sign,'' Mr. Ferrera said. He
remembers first seeing it in the early 70's as a high school student, when
he learned to appreciate the sculptural quality of its triangles and ovals.
The entire building has a sculptural sense with its elongated S shape. Mr.
Lapidus said in 1961 that more rooms could be built along a serpentine
layout than a straight corridor. As to why he chose blue and green for the
facade, he said, ''Because there is too little color in New York City.''
''Color is uplifting,'' Mr. Lapidus said, ''and brightness provides gaiety,
a sense of anticipation; an emotional element which I feel is necessary to
the success of any hotel design.
''I have many times watched a large segment of the public respond naturally
and with obvious pleasure to the theory behind a particular design of
mine,'' he concluded.
''Lack of architectural knowledge apparently presents no bar to what I call
man's instinctive capacity for pleasure in his surroundings.'' "
NY Times 11/8/2000
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> >Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
> >> >> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> >> >I don't expect a Brooklynite to have a mental map of Manhattan ...
> >> >> And yet, I should expect a New Jerseyan to?
> >> >Which I've been for about a year and a half.
> >
> >And I've been a New Yorker for more than 50 years, including the 25
> >spent in Chicago (with annual visits).
>
> I've been a New Yorker for 107 years,
I find that rather hard to believe.
> including 25 spent in
> Delaware and (briefly) other places, 9 months in utero, and 71
> years pre-conception. Before that I was Parisian for 337 years.
> C'est vrai.
>
> >> Your mental map must be fading rapidly.
> >
> >I'm in the city -- Midtown -- nearly every week. The East Side and the
> >West Side are just conceptually not close together.
>
> What if you start 10 inches east of 5th Avenue and travel 10
> inches west of 5th Avenue?
You wouldn't have gone anywhere.
And the neighborhood "Fifth Avenue" is neither East Side nor West Side.
Peter T. Daniels
I didn't bring up Miami Beach. Someone else (you?) did.
And it appears from the NYT article that Lapidus did in fact design the
Americana!
Steven M. O'Neill
>Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>> I've been a New Yorker for 107 years,
>
>I find that rather hard to believe.
If you can be a New Yorker while living in Chicago, why can't I
be one while I'm waiting to be born?
>> including 25 spent in
>> Delaware and (briefly) other places, 9 months in utero, and 71
>> years pre-conception. Before that I was Parisian for 337 years.
>> C'est vrai.
>>
>> >> Your mental map must be fading rapidly.
>> >
>> >I'm in the city -- Midtown -- nearly every week. The East Side and the
>> >West Side are just conceptually not close together.
>>
>> What if you start 10 inches east of 5th Avenue and travel 10
>> inches west of 5th Avenue?
>
>You wouldn't have gone anywhere.
I certainly will have. I will have gone the width of 5th Avenue
plus 20 inches.
>And the neighborhood "Fifth Avenue" is neither East Side nor West Side.
What are you talking about, man? The East Side and the West
Side are determined by 5th Avenue.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
Sancho Panza wrote:
> It plays right into the current fascination with the Googie style of the
> 50's and 60's: boomerang shapes, amoeba forms, starbursts and color
> combinations unknown in nature.
>
> Named after a Los Angeles coffee shop, the Googie style was Southern
> Californian in origin, but had an East Coast champion in Mr. Lapidus, whose
> Miami Beach and New York hotels -- the Americana, Eden Roc, Fontainebleau
> and Summit -- are high-rise versions of Coffee-Shop Modern.
There's a book called "Populuxe" that talks about that style, which
came out around 1955, replacing the staid look of the past. Everything
was starburst and light (thin) design instead of the heaviness of the
past. I understood that Populuxe became the name of that style.
One of the motivations of that design was to be as eye catching as
possible to motorists on passing highways, where new motels,
restaurants, and other suburban attractions were being constructed.
I always thought that look when taken too far was tacky and ugly.
There was absolutely no dignity or tradition in the design, it
screamed, as loudly as possible, absolute modern and absolute
artificial. In the late 1950s and 1960s these were supposedly good
things. Such ultra modernism became ultra old fashioned very quickly.
I well remember fast food places being built in that design and not
lasting very long, and a long succession of other occupants until the
building was finally torn down. Soaring roofs and boomerang shapes are
not very efficient or adaptable. Remnants of that design remain on old
dead highways where the land is worth so little and the building
remains boarded up.
In the 1980s a more muted "environmental" look came out. I remember a
local Denny's restaurant rennovated itself from garish pinks to muted
earth tones and it was much nicer. The older style reminded me of a NJ
Turnpike rest stop and that is not a pleasant association.
Today some of the 1960s look is returning, particularly in some aspects
of women's fashions. The old uncomfortable spike-heel pump is back
along with pastel colors. (Ironically for boys the 1970s look of
longer hair and narrow jeans is in.)
danny burstein
>I always thought that look when taken too far was tacky and ugly.
>There was absolutely no dignity or tradition in the design, it
>screamed, as loudly as possible, absolute modern and absolute
>artificial. In the late 1950s and 1960s these were supposedly good
>things. Such ultra modernism became ultra old fashioned very quickly.
You fuddy duddies would probably have been against
the Pan Am terminal at JFK...
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Peter T. Daniels
>
> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
> >> I've been a New Yorker for 107 years,
> >
> >I find that rather hard to believe.
>
> If you can be a New Yorker while living in Chicago, why can't I
> be one while I'm waiting to be born?
Because you weren't conscious at the time.
And if you're adopting the Aristotelian doctrine of the Humunculus
inside the mother's body, then your lifetime would go back to Creation.
So that's not a useful metric at all.
> >> including 25 spent in
> >> Delaware and (briefly) other places, 9 months in utero, and 71
> >> years pre-conception. Before that I was Parisian for 337 years.
> >> C'est vrai.
> >>
> >> >> Your mental map must be fading rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >I'm in the city -- Midtown -- nearly every week. The East Side and the
> >> >West Side are just conceptually not close together.
> >>
> >> What if you start 10 inches east of 5th Avenue and travel 10
> >> inches west of 5th Avenue?
> >
> >You wouldn't have gone anywhere.
>
> I certainly will have. I will have gone the width of 5th Avenue
> plus 20 inches.
You're still out on the sidewalk.
> >And the neighborhood "Fifth Avenue" is neither East Side nor West Side.
>
> What are you talking about, man? The East Side and the West
> Side are determined by 5th Avenue.
No, they're neighborhoods. And they're conceptually as well as
geographically distinct.
Compare Los Angeles's "West Side" -- the counterpart is called "East
L.A.," and they don't meet at some dividing line where the house numbers
change.
Bolwerk
> Yeah, and I'm 44, my mom's clan has been in NYC 121 yrs and my
> dad's clan in rural North Carolina (where they behave a lot better
> than these affected mausoleum-dwelling urban vermin on this newsgroup)
> 70yrs.. what the fried flaking petunia bladders does all this have to
> do with the smell of Rumplestilskin's toenails, anyway?
I haven't seen many parts of rural NC where the behavior even approaches
the generosity and neighborliness of New York City, frankly.
On the other hand, down there in Hazzard County, Georgia, I found a very
great deal of godliness and generosity. The locals were a little loopy,
but affable and very hospitable. The moonshine was incredible, even if
the cops were a tad corrupt. The women dressed like ladies, except for
one or two overly assertive ones, who were still exemplifiers of family
values overall. The denizens were so kind and gentle that they missed
every time they shot at somebody. There wasn't even an obese person in
sight! Of course, Hazzard County is fictional, but oh well.
Steven M. O'Neill
You're absolutely right. I'm sorry to have doubted you, or
to ever have engaged you in conversation at all.
Steve
---EOM---
Sancho Panza
"danny burstein" <dan...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:drm03e$op4$1...@reader2.panix.com...
> In <1138655544.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>
>>I always thought that look when taken too far was tacky and ugly.
>>There was absolutely no dignity or tradition in the design, it
>>screamed, as loudly as possible, absolute modern and absolute
>>artificial. In the late 1950s and 1960s these were supposedly good
>>things. Such ultra modernism became ultra old fashioned very quickly.
>
> You fuddy duddies would probably have been against
> the Pan Am terminal at JFK...
Are you kidding? Before they "Worldported" it? The pure Edward
Durrell Stone overhanging roof design was different from anything else--just
like Saarinen's wings for T.W.A. on the other side of the International
Arrivals Building. Those two terminals outclassed anything else at Kennedy.
danny burstein
>>
>> You fuddy duddies would probably have been against
>> the Pan Am terminal at JFK...
>Are you kidding? Before they "Worldported" it? The pure Edward
>Durrell Stone overhanging roof design was different from anything else--just
>like Saarinen's wings for T.W.A. on the other side of the International
>Arrivals Building. Those two terminals outclassed anything else at Kennedy.
That's kind of like being the most honest
executive at Enron....
danny " used to visit the air museum [was it TWA or Pan Am's?] " burstein
Peter T. Daniels
Edward Durell Stone _NEVER_ built anything that could be called
"classy."
Like Wallace K. Harrison, he had influential friends.
vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com
Y'know the way you cacklers treated this seeker makes Junior
Sample's porch escapades on Hee Haw look downright courtesan.
TK
last Friday had a nice feature about the building and its architecture.
Apparently its rather unusual design for Manhattan was due to it being
the first hotel built in 30 years in Manhattan, in 1959!