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Margeo67

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Oct 17, 2001, 12:34:06 PM10/17/01
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In these troubled times many are turning to the past to a more innocent time of
their youth. If you grew up in this unique Manhattan neighborhood you owe it to
yourself to check out. Nice shots of the 168th Street, 181st Street, and 191st
Street IRT station mosaic art

http://members.aol.com/heightsmemories/HMem.htm

You can also leave your personal memories of growing up in the "Heights"

Ed Ravin

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Oct 17, 2001, 3:50:50 PM10/17/01
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From somewhere in cyberspace, marg...@aol.comremove (Margeo67) said:
>If you grew up in this unique Manhattan neighborhood you owe it to
>yourself to check out. Nice shots of the 168th Street, 181st Street, and 191st
>Street IRT station mosaic art
>
> http://members.aol.com/heightsmemories/HMem.htm

Speaking of the Heights, is anyone here familiar with the history
of the retaining wall alongside the northbound Henry Hudson Parkway
(aka Riverside Drive) north of 181st Street with its castle-like
turrets and mid-wall walkway? Is it part of the housing development
next to it just south of Ft. Tryon Park?
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Thor Lancelot Simon

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Oct 17, 2001, 5:11:01 PM10/17/01
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In article <9qkneq$d7r$1...@panix2.panix.com>, Ed Ravin <era...@panix.com> wrote:
>From somewhere in cyberspace, marg...@aol.comremove (Margeo67) said:
>>If you grew up in this unique Manhattan neighborhood you owe it to
>>yourself to check out. Nice shots of the 168th Street, 181st Street, and 191st
>>Street IRT station mosaic art
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/heightsmemories/HMem.htm
>
>Speaking of the Heights, is anyone here familiar with the history
>of the retaining wall alongside the northbound Henry Hudson Parkway
>(aka Riverside Drive) north of 181st Street with its castle-like
>turrets and mid-wall walkway? Is it part of the housing development
>next to it just south of Ft. Tryon Park?

The housing development (two of them, actually) postdate the wall.

The wall was part of the Paterno estate, also known as the Paterno
Castle. I don't believe the parkway was there when the retaining wall
was built. The Paterno property was sold off to housing developers in
two parcels: first the back part, between what are now Cabrini and
Pinehurst, and then the front parcel which is where the actual Paterno
Castle was. The back parcel is now Hudson View Gardens, which is a very
pretty Tudor-style development in a ring around a central garden. The
front parcel is Castle Village, and is somewhat less architecturally
pleasant, at least by my standards -- the eventual shape of the buildings
(an unusual "star" shape) was the result of a lawsuit between the HVG
developer and Paterno, who was involved in the development of the Castle
Village parcel -- as originally planned, CV would have completely
curtained off HVG from the river. The story, which is possibly an urban
legend, is that the HVG developer had an affair with Paterno's wife,
which Paterno discovered, and that Paterno then decided to try to ruin
the HVG developer by totally obscuring the view from his property.

One other very interesting feature at/near that wall is the single-family
dwelling built on stilts at the north end of the CV development. They did
expand the wall and piers slightly when they built CV, as I understand it,
but still ended up with a small section of land they weren't using. So it
ended up as that very unusually-placed brick house that's next to the CV
garage.

I'd love to see some good photos of the actual Paterno Castle, or to find
a definitive source of information about this stuff; I know what little I
do simply from talking to friends who've lived in the neighborhood for a
long time, and I don't know how much of it is apocryphal.

--
Thor Lancelot Simon t...@rek.tjls.com
And now he couldn't remember when this passion had flown, leaving him so
foolish and bewildered and astray: can any man?
William Styron

Ed Ravin

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Oct 17, 2001, 8:31:52 PM10/17/01
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From somewhere in cyberspace, t...@rek.tjls.com said:
>The wall was part of the Paterno estate, also known as the Paterno
>Castle.
[...]

>I'd love to see some good photos of the actual Paterno Castle, or to find
>a definitive source of information about this stuff; I know what little I
>do simply from talking to friends who've lived in the neighborhood for a
>long time, and I don't know how much of it is apocryphal.

Thanks! A Google search on "paterno castle" turned up a few hits, listed
below. It seems like Washington Heights used to look more like the estate
section of Riverdale in those days.

http://www.forgotten-ny.com/STREET%20SCENES/postcards/postcards.html
http://www.seroy.com/sys-tmpl/pictures/view.nhtml?profile=pictures&UID=10064
http://www.castlevillage.com/cvhistry.htm

Peter T. Daniels

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Oct 18, 2001, 7:32:26 AM10/18/01
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Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
>
> In article <9qkneq$d7r$1...@panix2.panix.com>, Ed Ravin <era...@panix.com> wrote:
> >From somewhere in cyberspace, marg...@aol.comremove (Margeo67) said:
> >>If you grew up in this unique Manhattan neighborhood you owe it to
> >>yourself to check out. Nice shots of the 168th Street, 181st Street, and 191st
> >>Street IRT station mosaic art
> >>
> >> http://members.aol.com/heightsmemories/HMem.htm
> >
> >Speaking of the Heights, is anyone here familiar with the history
> >of the retaining wall alongside the northbound Henry Hudson Parkway
> >(aka Riverside Drive) north of 181st Street with its castle-like
> >turrets and mid-wall walkway? Is it part of the housing development
> >next to it just south of Ft. Tryon Park?

> I'd love to see some good photos of the actual Paterno Castle, or to find


> a definitive source of information about this stuff; I know what little I
> do simply from talking to friends who've lived in the neighborhood for a
> long time, and I don't know how much of it is apocryphal.

There's a bit on it in *New York 1930* -- Stern et al. are quite
complimentary to the design of Castle Village (the first development to
use the star plan, or something like that). I don't think there are any
pictures of the castle in it.

That odd house is, for an ungiven reason, called "Pumpkin House" in
Tauranac's atlas.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net

Christopher Rivituso

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Oct 18, 2001, 3:24:20 AM10/18/01
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Does anybody know anything about the lighthouse just under the George
Washington Bridge on the Manhattan side?

CR

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Peter T. Daniels

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Oct 18, 2001, 8:05:36 AM10/18/01
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Christopher Rivituso wrote:
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> Does anybody know anything about the lighthouse just under the George
> Washington Bridge on the Manhattan side?

Get *The Little Red Lighthouse* from any children's library in the
country.

Christopher Rivituso

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Oct 18, 2001, 5:04:25 PM10/18/01
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I know that it was called the Little Red Lighthouse, but I am actually
looking for a bit of history behind it.

CR
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Ed Ravin

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Oct 19, 2001, 12:05:36 AM10/19/01
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From somewhere in cyberspace, "Christopher Rivituso" <rivi...@medianet.pl> said:
>I know that it was called the Little Red Lighthouse, but I am actually
>looking for a bit of history behind it.

Try a Google search for "Little Red Lighthouse" - it will turn up things
like this:

The Little Red Lighthouse and the Great Gray Bridge
... on the George Washington Bridge towers ... of the Hudson River where
children ... of bridge-related ... Ward,
The Little Red Lighthouse and ...
www.tfaoi.com/newsmu/nmus122e.htm

Manhattan: 170th-180th Streets
... Foundation The Little Red Lighthouse The ... Jeffries Hook Lighthouse
warned ... the Hudson
River shoals ... the George Washington Bridge made ...
www.columbia.edu/~nad7/neighborhood/170-180.html
pages

George Washington Bridge (I-95, US 1 and US 9)
... This 1997 photo shows the George Washington Bridge looking south along
the Hudson River. Note the "little red lighthouse" on the left, at
the base of the ...
www.nycroads.com/crossings/george-washington/

West 181 Street Beautification Project- The Little Red ...
... under the George Washington Bridge How to ... toward the Hudson River,
cross ... Fort Washington
Park ... the Lighthouse will ... The Little Red Lighthouse ...
www.wh-nyc.com/west181/lighthouse.html

Peter T. Daniels

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Oct 19, 2001, 7:17:24 AM10/19/01
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And if you read the book, you'll know the history!

Jeff Zeitlin

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Oct 19, 2001, 5:50:26 PM10/19/01
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"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@att.net> wrote:

>Christopher Rivituso wrote:

>> Does anybody know anything about the lighthouse just under the George
>> Washington Bridge on the Manhattan side?

>Get *The Little Red Lighthouse* from any children's library in the
>country.

I believe when I was young enough to have that story read to me, it was
called "The Little Red Lighthouse and the Great Grey Bridge".
--
Jeff Zeitlin
jzei...@cyburban.com
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