Romance
Miserandino
I only wish it were innately possible NOT to judge a book by
it's cover, but alas we as human beings are cursed to make such
prejudices. As I often do, I searched the gamut of society for
the moralistic/emotional plot twist of this issue's opinion
piece. I found my inspiration on TBS. It is not often we find
much of value within the odd hours of cable T.V., but yet on this
recent Steve Martin Marathon, I saw the movie Roxanne.
In this little tale, the lead character, called C.D. has the
slight deformity of a rather large nose. (Okay, so it isn't so
slight) And as can be expected this physical calamity halts his
confidence and prevents him from speaking to his new found love,
Roxanne.
That is the main plot of the movie, but is not the main
point in my piece. The main point of my piece is a deeper aspect
of this character. During the whole movie, C.D. seemed to have a
gift with words and actions, making every movement seem as if it
was expressing a romance and zest for life. He would swing
around like an acrobat, compose letters to make one swoon, and
generally make every moment appear as perfection. And yet, even
with qualities in his persona which would make even the most
type-A personality feel secure... he wasn't.
The problem really came down to a two fold dilemma. The
first part was very much at the surface and was very obvious. It
was the cheesy and simple old fairy tale of a story line where
the woman was to look at and fall in love with the man,
regardless of the physical problems. Beauty and the Beast, but
slightly less Disney-esq, for another method of definition.
The root of the problem, as I see it, wasn't so much on
Roxanne's end, but was on that our gifted friend, C.D. When he
was in public, and was 'being himself', he was seemingly
invincible. He had an almost magical quality about him. He
seemed to be very together and true to himself. When he was
nervous and within her presence that was all lost. Basically, he
wasn't able to stay true to that over-used, annoyingly repeated
advice, "Be yourself."
It comes down to the fact that the more he was himself, the
more he reached his goal, and the more he put up a front and was
nervous, the worse the situation became. Even with qualities in
his personality which were describable as, at the least, amazing
he was hindered more by that occasional insecurity then that ever
present... extra appendage. So if the choice was to have such a
horrible cover of a book, but to be true to myself, or to have a
fantastic cover, and not much more literary content then a cheese
whiz label, I think the choice I'd make is obvious.
Jenny Slocum
And sometimes the pages read make the cover seem VERY beautiful
indeed..If only more people saw fit to read instead of just glancing
at the cover only,the world would be a better place and love would
prevail..and with it romance would make an appearance.The movie by the
way is one of my favorites!I and many other females Im sure,could only
dream of receiving such "swoon" letters as the one in which he sent..
Brenda Ehmka
Charles Lieberman wrote:
>
> Jenny Slocum (lilw...@atl.mindspring.com) wrote:
>
> : If only more people saw fit to read instead of just glancing
> : at the cover only,the world would be a better place
>
If you are truly looking for a relationship then that much *time* is
inconsequential by comparison. If you are looking for a one-night-stand
then I can understand your dilemma.
When I met my now husband I told him in humor: I am no *magazine*.
This may take a while. I've been with him for 5 years now. I guess he
took me up on it....
Brenda <'-'>
Ishua Jabass Benjamin
Ok, maybe some of you have seen some of my postings about the miseries
of trying to decide the future of a relationship I'm currently in, but
I had the chance to go to the beach to see an old friend whose family
was on vacation at the beach.
We met 12 years ago when she was 11 and I was 10 and we've been pen friends
for all these years. We didn't see each other again till about 5 years
ago when we met for the day and I really fell for her. We saw each other
each summer when I'd go to the house her family would rent at the beach.
3 years ago I was gonna give her a kiss at the end of the day and completely
choked up making a horribly awkward situation for both of us. That day has
been my only regret in my life......till last week. I went to see her for
my yearly visit last Tuesday. My God, she looked good as hell. We spent
the day on the beach then hit the town for shopping and a nice dinner. I felt
like the man walking around with her all day. The whole day she kept joking
about getting married to me and moving down to NC. Finally, as the nite
ended and I was ready to go back home, I hugged her, headed for the car and
she said.."Come here..." This wasn't just a "come here" like "come here
you've got some lint on the back of your shirt." This was a "Come here and
kiss me you fool." And kiss her I did!!! I gave her the kiss I've always
dreamed of giving her...especially after screwing up a few years ago.
WOW! I can't believe I got to kiss someone like her!!
Ok, I'm feeling pretty good right now.
Chris
Jenny Slocum
I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
I mean?I for one am not giving up on the whole knight on the white
horse thing! :)
Jenny
Jenny Slocum
Let me explain what the "knight on the white horse" means to me:
To me a knight is a man who would defend me.Someone with honor who
lives for seeing me smile.A person I can depend on,who would fight any
battle(in life)by my side..see what I mean?That to me is what I seek..
Jenny
Brighton Beach
Jenny Slocum wrote:
>
> I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
> them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
> sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
> horse thing! :)
> Jenny
You arent looking for sex? Are you talking about FPS or a bit of nice
kissing and whatever? ther is a lot of difference I reckon.
I think physical contact between two is important because it shows that
you can allow someone into your personal space...you WANT them to enter
your space. SO you ar elooking for a close friend?
Its how to find one that I find difficult. Anyone can pick up at a
pub/club/Circle K/launderette, but finding that special person who you
can reveal your inner-most secrets, thats the thing. :~(
Funny how the ideal image for a woman is knight in shining armour, yet a
blokes is.....um...woman in sexy lingerie? or blonde haired cheerleader
(here the silly englishman makes comment on US culture).
How about men get some sort of ideal picture. I always have this nice
thought of being naked in bed with someone, yet nothing saucy going on.
All we are doing is talking until it gets light then we go out on the
beach, just a sort of peacefullness. No-one else around, but then that
isnt much compared to a *knight in shining armour*
Any other males got one...or has female got better one?
Rowly :~} [dreaming of beach with sunrise]
Glenn Saunders
: The knight on a white horse is not a myth if you are willing to accept
: that there is no such thing as the "perfect man". We all have our
: shortcomings, some more than others.
The problem with the "knight" archetype as it has been defined in this
thread is that it focuses mostly on what a guy gives a woman and not what
is returned back. This is common in the romantic crowd, though, where
romance seems to be defined mostly by what a man does for a woman, with
sex being the only real payback.
Love is a two-way street. If you want extraordinary love, you have to be
willing to make as much love as you take. Otherwise there are no excuses.
Blue Devil
then answer soon . send pictures of yourself but don't have to . For
some fun answer soon . FEMALES 18 - UP ...
P.S I won't charge you ... its free
Duane Morin
>Blue devil is my name ...
>erotic letters is my game .
>if want to talk, then answer soon .
>send pictures of yourself but don't have to .
I'm sorry, but "soon" and "to" just don't rhyme. :)
>P.S I won't charge you ... its free
So's "Dear Penthouse..."
Duane
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> >I'm not trying to start a flame war.
>
> >Just a question:
>
> >How do you respond to accusations by feminists that it is women like you
> >and your "knight on the white horse" mentality who provided men with the
> >fuel for their sexist, chauvinistic attitudes?
> Well.all I can say is what I stated is what I WANT>Ireally dont care
> what they want or what THEY think I should say.Last time I looked this
> was America and I had the right to speak my mind.If they dont want
> gallient,caring men,so be it..leave them to women like me who would
> appreciate those types of men..
>
Just an observers statement: Those men who have sexist, chauvinistic attitudes
don't have any clue as to what they have in a woman. The knight treats his lady
like his princess till he has her, then if he is really a true man, he puts
her on a pedistal and treats her like she is his queen. In turn she will treat
him like he is her king. Some men are learning how to treat a lady and on that
same note some women are also learning how to be a lady. We've only learned how
to be this way from our ancestors. I hope I don't offend anyone, I just made a
stand in my life to be a man of steel and velvet. If you don't know what that
is, read the book!
By the way Jenny, I stand beside your philosophy, That knight is out there and
he's looking for you too;)
Paul
Louis Hall
: I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
: them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
: sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
: I mean?I for one am not giving up on the whole knight on the white
: horse thing! :)
: Jenny
*** As long as you realize, that in the course of the war,
the knight's armor isn't so bright and shiny anymore. It's rather dinged,
and battered. His arm droops, as it struggles to hold up the lance, at
tilting position. But his heart is still strong and his resolve, firm,
inside that battered armor.
Always read the book. Never judge the cover.
-Lou-
fee...@ipgeek.com
>> >and your "knight on the white horse" mentality who provided men with the
>> >fuel for their sexist, chauvinistic attitudes?
Please do NOT blame all feminists for the words of a poster who
claimed to be or may actually consider themself to be one. You are
entitled to want what you want. Femininsim is about optimizing
options and allowing each of us to choose, being free to choose what
we want, independent of gender. You can want your white knight and
there will be those who disapprove. Still, it's your choice.
Chauvanists will find excuses/reasons for their attitudes no matter
what YOU want.
Jenny Slocum
>The problem with the "knight" archetype as it has been defined in this
>thread is that it focuses mostly on what a guy gives a woman and not what
>is returned back. This is common in the romantic crowd, though, where
>romance seems to be defined mostly by what a man does for a woman, with
>sex being the only real payback.
>Love is a two-way street. If you want extraordinary love, you have to be
>willing to make as much love as you take. Otherwise there are no excuses.
Its not what a man can DO for me,or GIVE me..its what we can
accomplish together.I believe being together/romantic is a two way
street,and that both parties give each other far more than sex,such as
honor,and each other's total selves.I hope that explains it..
Lawrence M. Neufeld
> > >and your "knight on the white horse" mentality who provided men with the
> > >fuel for their sexist, chauvinistic attitudes?
> > what they want or what THEY think I should say.Last time I looked this
> > was America and I had the right to speak my mind.If they dont want
> > gallient,caring men,so be it..leave them to women like me who would
> > appreciate those types of men..
> >
>
> Just an observers statement: Those men who have sexist, chauvinistic attitudes
> don't have any clue as to what they have in a woman. The knight treats his lady
> like his princess till he has her, then if he is really a true man, he puts
> her on a pedistal and treats her like she is his queen. In turn she will treat
> him like he is her king. Some men are learning how to treat a lady and on that
> same note some women are also learning how to be a lady. We've only learned how
> to be this way from our ancestors. I hope I don't offend anyone, I just made a
> stand in my life to be a man of steel and velvet. If you don't know what that
> is, read the book!
>
> By the way Jenny, I stand beside your philosophy, That knight is out there and
> he's looking for you too;)
>
> Paul
pcox,
Your description of the feminist perspective and Paul's comments are two sides of the
same coin. They both create an environment of us and them.
It is not hard to love, care and respect a woman. Just don't look down on them or in
Paul's case up to them (ie pedestal). The trouble with shining armor and pedestals is
that the armor tarneshes and the woman falls off. Relationships don't last because
people are only accepting of perfection, love fantasy. As wonderful as that time is in
the beginning of a relationship it has to evolve or die.
True love is found in tbe beauty of imperfection.
LMN
ang
On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Jenny Slocum wrote:
>
> >How do you respond to accusations by feminists that it is women like you
-- >
>
> You don't Jenny. Just take all their anger, their pain, their
unhappiness; wrap it in love....and return it. You can't win fighting
anger w/ anger.
The Buddha once asked a question that his followers had trouble
w/; I bet you'll know the answer right away :)....
If someone presents you w/ a gift and you don't accept it; who
does the gift belong to?
Love
Angel...:)
statgrad
>
>
>I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
>them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
>sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
>horse thing! :)
> Jenny
>
Hey cool feelings:) don't give it up
onur
Paul Dragicevich
: Just an observers statement: Those men who have sexist, chauvinistic attitudes
: don't have any clue as to what they have in a woman. The knight treats his lady
: like his princess till he has her, then if he is really a true man, he puts
: her on a pedistal and treats her like she is his queen. In turn she will treat
: him like he is her king. Some men are learning how to treat a lady and on that
: same note some women are also learning how to be a lady. We've only learned how
: to be this way from our ancestors. I hope I don't offend anyone, I just made a
: stand in my life to be a man of steel and velvet. If you don't know what that
: is, read the book!
sorry but this just sounds ridiculous to me! putting women on pedestals
isn't going to help you love the 'real' them.
get real, there is no night in shining armour going to sweep you off your
feet and do all the work. It's the nineties and I for one am not going to
participate in that sort of crap.
Paul
--
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Don't anthropomorphize nature. It really hates that.
Ben Brick
>
> I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
> them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
> sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
> I mean?I for one am not giving up on the whole knight on the white
> horse thing! :)
though she doesn't have to be a damsel in distress. I do keep my armor
shined, and my horse groomed whilst I look for her.
Ben
Heidi Hough
wrote:
But you might want to make sure they aren't too possesive..unless that
doesn't bother you...all I know is I want the freedom to be myself,too...
- Heidi
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> Jenny Slocum wrote:
> >
> > I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
> > them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
> > sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
> > I mean?I for one am not giving up on the whole knight on the white
> > horse thing! :)
> > Jenny
>
>
> i *really* share your feelings, and while i sit here and think how nice
> finding 'it' could/will be, i also like to keep in mind the fact that i
> may never. its not good to lie to myself.
> eric s
>
Lying to yourself can sometimes help hope keep on.Just always keep in mind
to socialize and go out and do things:a SO won't appear on your doorstep
one day just because you're destined for one another........
- Heidi
Heidi Hough
> Jenny Slocum wrote:
> >
> > Let me explain what the "knight on the white horse" means to me:
> > To me a knight is a man who would defend me.Someone with honor who
> > lives for seeing me smile.A person I can depend on,who would fight any
> > battle(in life)by my side..see what I mean?That to me is what I seek..
> > Jenny
>
> I'm not trying to start a flame war.
>
> Just a question:
>
> How do you respond to accusations by feminists that it is women like you
> and your "knight on the white horse" mentality who provided men with the
> fuel for their sexist, chauvinistic attitudes?
You know,I think that's male nature.At least somewhat.The sexist is
sometimes maybe a need to protect and chauvinist...well...I need the exact
def. before I go off on a tangent.Anywho:guys will be guys.There are nice
ones,there are stuck up and over possesive ones,there are sad,I
mean-there's a lot of variety out there!YOu can't go generalize from what
few experiences are registered in your puny human mind.
- Heidi
my .02$,yet again
Heidi Hough
(Fox) wrote:
> In article <4qslk8$13...@mule1.mindspring.com>, lilw...@atl.mindspring.com
> says...
>
> >I'm not trying to start a flame war.
>
> >Just a question:
>
> >How do you respond to accusations by feminists that it is women like you
> >and your "knight on the white horse" mentality who provided men with the
> >fuel for their sexist, chauvinistic attitudes?
>
> >Well.all I can say is what I stated is what I WANT>Ireally dont care
> >what they want or what THEY think I should say.Last time I looked this
> >was America and I had the right to speak my mind.If they dont want
> >gallient,caring men,so be it..leave them to women like me who would
> >appreciate those types of men..
>
>
> You go Jenny. It's great to see women out there that stand up to what they
> believe and what they WANT. I thought all those kind of women where
gone, but
> I guessed you have proved me wrong.
>
> Would love to see the original article, you know with all the stuff you
WANT.
> Maybe I just might fill those shoes...
<chuckle> Over a distance of..oh...2000 miles or more?Be careful what you
wish for because it just may come true.Of course,I can also be a very
brooding and depressed individual,so don't let me get you down...
- Heidi
Tall Cool One
>w/; I bet you'll know the answer right away :)....
> If someone presents you w/ a gift and you don't accept it; who
>does the gift belong to?
Me. I grab it and run away, SCREAMING MADLY....
AHAAHAHAHAH
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Paladin
>
> In article <31D182...@li.net>, smi...@li.net wrote:
>
> > Jenny Slocum wrote:
> > >
> > > I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
> > > them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
> > > sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
> > > I mean?I for one am not giving up on the whole knight on the white
> > > horse thing! :)
> > > Jenny
> >
> >
> > i *really* share your feelings, and while i sit here and think how nice
> > finding 'it' could/will be, i also like to keep in mind the fact that i
> > may never. its not good to lie to myself.
> > eric s
> >
>
> Lying to yourself can sometimes help hope keep on.Just always keep in mind
> to socialize and go out and do things:a SO won't appear on your doorstep
> one day just because you're destined for one another........
>
> - Heidi
>
As long as the whole knight on the white horse thing is not dead, I guess
I can't give up the search for my one true Lady. :)
As for the other matter, in order o lie, you have to know the truth. If
the truth does not yet exist, how can you lie. By the way Heidi, that's
an awesome signature and a good song to boot.
Paladin
Morbidity
>True love is found in tbe beauty of imperfection.
>
>
>LMN
I realize I've taken the quote out of context and I'm saying something
that is at no stretch neccasary, but I had to say that this makes more
since than anything I've read in a long while.
`LMN`, if it's yours, your clarity is admirable.
___________
Morbidity...
Heidi Hough
> > >I'm not trying to start a flame war.
> >
> > >Just a question:
> >
> > >How do you respond to accusations by feminists that it is women like you
> > >and your "knight on the white horse" mentality who provided men with the
> > >fuel for their sexist, chauvinistic attitudes?
> > Well.all I can say is what I stated is what I WANT>Ireally dont care
> > what they want or what THEY think I should say.Last time I looked this
> > was America and I had the right to speak my mind.If they dont want
> > gallient,caring men,so be it..leave them to women like me who would
> > appreciate those types of men..
> >
>
> Just an observers statement: Those men who have sexist, chauvinistic
attitudes
> don't have any clue as to what they have in a woman. The knight treats
his lady
> like his princess till he has her, then if he is really a true man, he puts
> her on a pedistal
I know I've heard angry comments on the pedistal thing.Females would
rather be held close than put on a pedastal to be admired,or something...
>and treats her like she is his queen. In turn she will treat
> him like he is her king. Some men are learning how to treat a lady and
on that
> same note some women are also learning how to be a lady. We've only
learned how
> to be this way from our ancestors. I hope I don't offend anyone, I just
made a
> stand in my life to be a man of steel and velvet. If you don't know what that
> is, read the book!
>
> By the way Jenny, I stand beside your philosophy, That knight is out
there and
> he's looking for you too;)
>
> Paul
- Heidi
John K Alexander
> I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
> them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
> sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
> I mean?I for one am not giving up on the whole knight on the white
> horse thing! :)
> Jenny
Jenny, I wholeheartedly support your quest for a quality relationship
which is what I read when I read your posting :
> I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
> them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
> sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
> I mean?I for one am not giving up on the whole knight on the white
> horse thing! :)
> Jenny
It is my also feeling that you have sparked a very lively discuusion
between adults about adult choices. Good for you, Jenny and I personally
think men and women need to discuss these issues to move forward. Thank
you & good luck !
Kent
--
He who laughs has not yet heard the bad news.
Kevin J
lilw...@atl.mindspring.com (Jenny Slocum) wrote:
The best relationships are the ones where it is given 100%. And what I
mean by 100% percent is that both people involved give 100% because
then you have that overlap that allows a relationship to do its work
which is for two people that get together and share their lives to
augment strengths and compensate for the weaknesses of one another.
Both should be more than willing to fight for one another and die for
one another, to go against anyone who disparages ones partner (unless
what is said is truth). You trust this person unconditionally and
without question,a level that if broken can never be achieved again.
If you cannot understand these things what you are looking for you
cannot find
Anthony Poon
Kevin J wrote:
> The best relationships are the ones where it is given 100%. And what I
> mean by 100% percent is that both people involved give 100% because
> then you have that overlap that allows a relationship to do its work
> which is for two people that get together and share their lives to
> augment strengths and compensate for the weaknesses of one another.
> Both should be more than willing to fight for one another and die for
> one another, to go against anyone who disparages ones partner (unless
> what is said is truth). You trust this person unconditionally and
> without question,a level that if broken can never be achieved again.
> If you cannot understand these things what you are looking for you
> cannot find
BRAVO!!!!
Jenny Slocum
>It is my also feeling that you have sparked a very lively discuusion
>between adults about adult choices. Good for you, Jenny and I personally
>think men and women need to discuss these issues to move forward. Thank
>you & good luck !
>Kent
Would'nt it be lovely if besides via computer,men and women could
discuss/communicate their feelings like we all have here?Reading all
the replies really made me keep the faith that maybe,just
maybe,romance IS alive and well..
Just what did snow white mean when she sang "Someday my prince will
come"?
Jenny Slocum
>As it usually happens, she will make her determinations on what she
>imagines. Whether or not she's read the book, she'll see it in her
>minds eye. That dented knight will shine in her heart.
>joel
Joel..
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VERY well put my friend,very well put!WHat you said is so true,for I
do have a vision of what I want/expect from my knight..
arandia
Louis Hall (lh...@jupiter.rowan.edu) wrote:
: Jenny Slocum (lilw...@atl.mindspring.com) wrote:
: : I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
: : them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
: : sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
: : I mean?I for one am not giving up on the whole knight on the white
: : horse thing! :)
: : Jenny
: *** As long as you realize, that in the course of the war,
: the knight's armor isn't so bright and shiny anymore. It's rather dinged,
: and battered. His arm droops, as it struggles to hold up the lance, at
: tilting position. But his heart is still strong and his resolve, firm,
: inside that battered armor.
: Always read the book. Never judge the cover.
As it usually happens, she will make her determinations on what she
Orlando Anthony
Jenny Slocum wrote:
>
> Let me explain what the "knight on the white horse" means to me:
> To me a knight is a man who would defend me.Someone with honor who
> lives for seeing me smile.A person I can depend on,who would fight any
> battle(in life)by my side..see what I mean?That to me is what I seek..
> Jenny
Jenny,
First, I'd like to say I agree with the spirit of your comment. It is important to
realize also that we must all be strong by ourselves. We must be as strong as we can
be. It is from this place that we can add to rather than take from a relationshiop.
Having said that, I recognize, in my own personal life I've found that yes, I'm now as
strong as I can be "by myself", but that I can be stronger (more complete) when I find
my "soulmate". Therefore, I seek to complement another. I am a firm, dedicated and
persistent professional that, yes, I admit, still places ladies on a sort of pedestal,
to be defended against the unfairness that can be encountered in life.
Personally, I've found that a very important part of a bond is to have sexcual
compatibility. Without it, the other parts of the relationship just can't be as strong.
I like to go out on sexy dates, where my date will sometimes wear a slinky dress with no
panties, just garters and nylons. Upon occassion, she'll flash me a little, or she'll
surprise some girl at a table next to us by spreading her legs enough for her bush to be
seen. This sort of prelude to a night of flirting brings spark into the relationship
and helps to test right away whether there is an equal amount of openness and adventure.
Why don't you let me know what you like to do, what you're doing this summer, and what
kind of clothes you wear. If you have a pic, and can, email it to me also with your
messages.
See ya,
Dito
kirin
Heidi Hough wrote:
>
> In article <4qsqlq$b...@host-3.cyberhighway.net>, madr...@cyberhighway.net
> (Fox) wrote:
>
> > In article <4qslk8$13...@mule1.mindspring.com>, lilw...@atl.mindspring.com
> > says...
> >
> >
> > >Just a question:
> >
> > >How do you respond to accusations by feminists that it is women like you
> > >and your "knight on the white horse" mentality who provided men with the
> > >fuel for their sexist, chauvinistic attitudes?
> >
> > >Well.all I can say is what I stated is what I WANT>Ireally dont care
> > >what they want or what THEY think I should say.Last time I looked this
> > >was America and I had the right to speak my mind.If they dont want
> > >gallient,caring men,so be it..leave them to women like me who would
> > >appreciate those types of men..
> >
> >
> > believe and what they WANT. I thought all those kind of women where
> gone, but
> > I guessed you have proved me wrong.
> >
> > Would love to see the original article, you know with all the stuff you
> WANT.
> > Maybe I just might fill those shoes...
>
> <chuckle> Over a distance of..oh...2000 miles or more?Be careful what you
> wish for because it just may come true.Of course,I can also be a very
> brooding and depressed individual,so don't let me get you down...
>
>
> --
> |\/| ______________________________________,
> ) ( \\ ,"Hello,Darkness,my
> |/\| \\ , old friend,I've come
> \ \\ , to talk with you again
> \),), \\ , Because a vision softly
> / / , \ // ,creeping,left its seeds
> | | | \ // , while I was sleeping
> / / /\\ \ // , And the vision that was
> |_|/ \\ \// , planted in my brain
> <<<> // / | , Still remains within the sound of
> \ \/ | \ ' , silence."
> \ '/\ | ' , -Paul Simon "The Sounds of Silence"
> \/ | / \
> / / ', / \ |
> @-}<>>>- ',| | |
> /\ / /
> __/_/\ / /
> *--*--*--*--*--/ ____/ /__/*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--
> @ @ @ \ \LL___|__ @ "Add strength to wisdom and you get a
> @ @ \________ \ great ruler.Add strenth to folly @
> @ @ @ @ @ \|@ and you get chaos incarnate." @
> @ @ @ @ @ @ -Heidi J. Hough(me) @ @ @
>
>
The role of being the cavalry charging to the rescue can be very
rewarding or very frustrating. You can't really change a person
sometimes and the habits that get them in trouble may cause them to
drain alot more of your energy and time than you may be willing to give.
It might be that once you get involved with such and individual it can
suck you in alot deeper than you thought it would and after awhile they
may not appreciate your help! (It becomes more like interference or
possesiveness to them). And I've seen quite a few female white knights
too, women who have tried to help their boyfriends out of the messes
he's gotten into only to sometimes get dragged down with him....
Kirin
Patric Ayler
Ishua Jabass Benjamin wrote:
>
> Ok, maybe some of you have seen some of my postings about the miseries
> of trying to decide the future of a relationship I'm currently in, but
> I had the chance to go to the beach to see an old friend whose family
> was on vacation at the beach.
>
> We met 12 years ago when she was 11 and I was 10 and we've been pen friends
> for all these years. We didn't see each other again till about 5 years
> ago when we met for the day and I really fell for her. We saw each other
> each summer when I'd go to the house her family would rent at the beach.
> 3 years ago I was gonna give her a kiss at the end of the day and completely
> choked up making a horribly awkward situation for both of us. That day has
> been my only regret in my life......till last week. I went to see her for
> my yearly visit last Tuesday. My God, she looked good as hell. We spent
> the day on the beach then hit the town for shopping and a nice dinner. I felt
> like the man walking around with her all day. The whole day she kept joking
> about getting married to me and moving down to NC. Finally, as the nite
> ended and I was ready to go back home, I hugged her, headed for the car and
> she said.."Come here..." This wasn't just a "come here" like "come here
> you've got some lint on the back of your shirt." This was a "Come here and
> kiss me you fool." And kiss her I did!!! I gave her the kiss I've always
> dreamed of giving her...especially after screwing up a few years ago.
> WOW! I can't believe I got to kiss someone like her!!
>
> Ok, I'm feeling pretty good right now.
>
> Chris
TOOO CCCOOOOOOLLLLL
conartist
I hate to say this but most guys got it all messed up. They think
romance is reading the news paper or watching tube, then there wife is
in the kitchen needing, wanting, affection, not sex, affection. They
just want to here I love and a hug and to be understood but most guys
are so far in the dark they don't know what that is. O.K. here it is in
plain black and white, when is the last time you had lunch with your
wife? and I don't mean the one she cooked last sunday. Call here from
work about 9 am and say" Hey you want to meet me for lunch." If she
can't say well I call you and we can talk." What to talk about anything!
I have met so many lady's that there husbands don't even try to keep
them happy and then when they have an affair he gets pissed because its
all her fault. No captain its your fault cause you know why she had one
in the first place cause you were to intrested in something else and not
her. My biggest thing is work. So you make 50grand a year and you have
all the nice stuff. But the lady in your life needs you! Take her to
movie or just for a drive. Take time for her. Get her out of the house,
get a babysitter to watch the kids. It don't have to be at night it can
be in the daytime. So you'll miss a golf game isn't she worth it. Make
time for her.
Why am I writting this because I have lady friends that are so unhappy
that I feel they can't be the only ones and if this gets one guy off his
butt and a little sparkle in one womens eyes then it's worth my time and
to be on the up and up I am a guy that could take just about any unhappy
wife or girlfriend and make her smile. I know cause I've done it. So
wise up, or it just my be someone like me she talks to.
XORcist
Patric Ayler <patr...@tgn.net> wrote:
>TOOO CCCOOOOOOLLLLL
Agree. Amongst heartbreats (mine including) and lost souls that we see
here so often , this indeeds brings some light into this place.
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Everything is under control, this is *exactly* what I expected
in the worst case."
XORcist
Jim Trash
> Take time for her. Get her out of the house,
>get a babysitter to watch the kids. It don't have to be at night it can
>be in the daytime. So you'll miss a golf game isn't she worth it. Make
>time for her.
This is all fine and yes I would agree with it but you've made it one of
those men, bad guys and women tragic heroine things.
So many women are guilty of the neglect you cite.
This should be a relationship thing rather than a men versus women
thing.
To make a relationship work you give time and attention to each other.
>I am a guy that could take just about any unhappy
>wife or girlfriend and make her smile. I know cause I've done it. So
>wise up, or it just my be someone like me she talks to.
New toys always bring sparkles to eyes.
--
Jim Trash
Brenda Ehmka
conartist wrote:
>
> I hate to say this but most guys got it all messed up. They think
> romance is reading the news paper or watching tube, then there wife is
> in the kitchen needing, wanting, affection, not sex, affection. They
> just want to here I love and a hug and to be understood but most guys
> are so far in the dark they don't know what that is. O.K. here it is in
> plain black and white, when is the last time you had lunch with your
> wife? and I don't mean the one she cooked last sunday. Call here from
> work about 9 am and say" Hey you want to meet me for lunch." If she
> can't say well I call you and we can talk." What to talk about anything!
> I have met so many lady's that there husbands don't even try to keep
> them happy and then when they have an affair he gets pissed because its
> all her fault. No captain its your fault cause you know why she had one
> in the first place cause you were to intrested in something else and not
> her. My biggest thing is work. So you make 50grand a year and you have
> all the nice stuff. But the lady in your life needs you! Take her to
> get a babysitter to watch the kids. It don't have to be at night it can
> be in the daytime. So you'll miss a golf game isn't she worth it. Make
> time for her.
> that I feel they can't be the only ones and if this gets one guy off his
> butt and a little sparkle in one womens eyes then it's worth my time and
> wife or girlfriend and make her smile. I know cause I've done it. So
> wise up, or it just my be someone like me she talks to.
Hi:
You bring to light several points! One-- I was one of them women whose
husband had no idea of the *longing* for emotional loving. I never
cheated on him though. Somehow I knew that I would be making a mistake
if I went that route. Two--- this man, who was supposed to be my
husband didn't even notice when I was disappearing from the
relationship. I would get dressed up in heels and dress and meet him at
the door when he came home. He would go in the kitchen grab a snack and
then promptly crash on the living room floor. After a few years of this
I realized that there was no one at fault. We were just mismatched.
When we are *TRYING* to make it work I believe we see what we want to
see.
Anyway a failed relationship later I am with a man who knows how to
treat a lady.. He is aware that I am turned on by his interest. After 5
years of relating (last year married)he still acknowledges me by looking
into my eyes when I speak. This lets me know that he values what I am
saying. One of the first things to go in a stable relationship? Am I
right? Think about it. Lovers longingly look into each others eyes.
They are intent on hearing every nuance for some clue as to her/his
identity. Well what the hell, I already know her/him now so why bother?
This attitude marks the beginning of the end.
It has to work both ways.. There is just as much going on for the men.
I have known many men, both who cheat and those whose loyalty even I
would question. Their wives haven't a clue about what makes their men
tick.. They are only concerned with what they can get out of it.
Me, If my man is in there watching TV I am as well. If I am not
interested in what he is watching I still sit with him and do my own
thing. This man is means the world to me.. He is the first one ever in
my life to question what lie beneath my exterior. He is the first to
love me completely and unconditionally. He is able to share emotions
freely and not expect something to come of it.
I believe that I have the best of both worlds. He has a sense of humor
and knows that I am true to my word. As is he... I received a note from
him once that spoke of his honesty. I have respect for him because of
that.
he said "I will treat you like a queen, and love you like a whore"!!
I was honored by this statement. Yes, this man does treat me like a
queen. And yes I am, and will always be, his whore. He has no desire or
need to seek out fresh eyes for you see there is always someone new on
his own doorstep. Our relationship is fresh, invigorating and
stimulating. We make it so.
The sparkle in our eyes is one of sustained interest.
Neither men nor women should take their partner for granted. You see
there is always another, just like the poster-- who is more than able
and willing to give your significant other (whether wife, husband,
girlfriend or boyfriend)the attention they need.
Brenda <'-'>
Joshua Orrantia
>
> Brenda <'-'>
The problem is inherent in American society. We do not teach our children how to
respect eachother. Not only that, but we do not teach them the art of courting
(dating). If you remember the movie, it is either Gigi or My fair Lady, I can't
remember, but it is an interesting movie about how the French teach their youngsters the
finer points of courting. Both man and woman learn how to respect eachother. In
American society, we just throw our children out on the street and let them go at it.
With the great number of broken homes, our children are not learning how to respect
eachother and not learning the fundamentals of having a healthy relationship. Children
having children, abuse, batterings, rape, adultry, neglect..... most of these things are
a result of ignorance. Proper up-bringing would help to reduce many of these tragic
occurrences. It is sad to see. We people are meant to be nurtured and cherished, loved
and respected; not beaten and bruised, ignored and destroyed.
Josh
David
Nice name Jenny ... i mean the last one (LOL)
Get a life ....
David
lilw...@atl.mindspring.com (Jenny Slocum) wrote:
>I for one am not into one night stands.Really,what is the purpose of
>them?What I crave is a soul-mate,someone who I can know without the
>sex part.Sheesh,hoe did it all become so complicated,the dating thing
>I mean?I for one am not giving up on the whole knight on the white
>horse thing! :)
> Jenny
David Navarro
David wrote:
>
> Nice name Jenny ... i mean the last one (LOL)
>
> Get a life ....
>
> David
>
> lilw...@atl.mindspring.com (Jenny Slocum) wrote:
>
I thought I detected a joke there... Isn't Jenny Slocum the name of a prostitute in
"The Beggar's Opera"?
--
_____________________________________
David Navarro
-"If I had known then what I know now..."
bean1 ~~
On Jul 26, 1996 12:53:09 in article <Re: Romance>, 'David Navarro
<dna...@dreamworks.com>' wrote:
>_____________________________________
>David Navarro
>
>-
--
isnt' dave navarro a guitarist or something with the Chili Peppers? Or is
it some other band?
bean1 ~